Life Kit - Never Pay An Unnecessary Fee Again

Episode Date: April 29, 2019

Don't get caught in a cycle of unnecessary overdraft fees, credit card interest and high-cost loans. A few simple tools can help you hold onto those hard-earned dollars.Here's what to remember:- Automation is your friend. Set your bills on autopay. - Overdraft protection is deceptive. Link your checking account to a savings account to avoid overdraft fees.- Set up a buffer savings account with automatic deposits. - Don't use credit cards for emergency spending.- If you do have an emergency, try asking your employer for your already-earned wages. - Balance transfer checks can help with high-interest debt, but read the fine print.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

The Indicator is a podcast where daily economic news is about what matters to you. Workers have been feeling the sting of inflation. So as a new administration promises action on the cost of living, taxes, and home prices. The S&P 500 biggest post-election day spike ever. Follow all the big changes and what they mean for you. Make America affordable again. Listen to The Indicator, the daily economics podcast from NPR. You know that feeling when you look at the windshield of your car and you see a parking

ticket and it's just like, ugh, parking tickets. I should have just paid the meter and now I'm stuck paying this 30 bucks. It's kind of the same thing with bank and credit card fees. With parking tickets, though, maybe you get one or two a year. It's not the end of the world. But with bank fees and credit cards, it's just way easier for those to snowball. And pretty soon it can be like the whole windshield of your car is just like plastered with tickets. Over six months, I was charged about a thousand dollars for the bank overdraft fees and the credit card fees. If this sounds familiar,

what's happened to you? You are not alone. I mean, millions of Americans are paying huge piles of money in bank fees and high cost debt. It makes me feel like life is unfair. Don't worry, we are here to help. Welcome to NPR's Life Kit. In this episode, we're going to talk about overdraft fees, credit card interest, the things that drain away your hard earned money. So whether you're mired in debt or you just hate paying any of these fees, credit card interest, the things that drain away your hard-earned money. So whether you're mired in debt or you just hate paying any of these fees, we're going to learn how to never get hit with them again right after this. What's in store for the music, TV, and film industries for 2025? We don't know, but we're making some fun, bold predictions for the new year. Listen now to the Pop Culture Happy Hour podcast from NPR.

I'm Chris Arnold, and I cover personal finance and consumer protection for NPR. And in this episode, we're going to give you six tips for setting up your bank and credit card accounts in a smart way so you just don't get hammered with fees and interest. And there's an economist at the University of Chicago. His name is Neil Mahoney, and he studies credit cards and fees and financial markets. And he says you have to understand that banks make money from you in a way that's different from almost all other businesses. If I go to the grocery store and you go to the grocery store, none of us is going to be completely ripped off. Whereas the banking sector,

some people are going to get very little value and pay a ton in fees. It's just going to be a really bad situation for them. And other people are going to get a ton in value and are going to be smart about playing the game and not getting caught with overdraft or late or other fees. And so for them, they'll get a lot out of it. So you have some people who bank basically for free. It's like, hey, look at all these free tomatoes. I'm going to stick them in my pockets. These people get free airplane tickets and credit card points, and they never pay a fee.

And guess who's paying for all of that? The people who make mistakes, right? Who pay all these fees and interest. That's like billions of dollars that these people are paying. And Neil says, this may not be fair, but... If you can't change the world, you can only change your actions. Make sure you're one of the people who is not cross-subsidizing everybody else. That you're sort of playing this game intelligently. Yeah, I think that's a great way to look at it, right?

Because just because you're not very good at this game right now, you can learn it, right? Yeah, I completely agree. Like, there's also simple things which will take you, you know, an hour on a Saturday afternoon. You only have to do it once, and it's going to serve you well for the next five years. Like it's just making a small investment in getting your financial house in order.

Okay, so one of those small, simple things to get your house in order, and this is tip number one, automation is your friend. So for your credit cards or anything else that you could possibly get a late fee on if you forget to pay it.

Set up auto pay so that when you've got a lot of other stuff going on, things are already in place and they'll take care of themselves. And you're going to save yourself the $35 fees three times over for screwing things up. Neil says you should pay your credit card bill in full every month on autopay because you never want to pay those super expensive credit card interest rates either, right? Now, a lot of credit cards will give you the option of just paying the minimum automatically, which would protect against late fees. But the one thing I would caution people against is if you set up autopay to pay the minimum every month, you might end up incurring more credit card debt than you plan to.

Behavioral economists say we tend to stick with the default option. So that might mean you're going to just pay that minimum that's on automatic payment. So you really want to try to make the default to pay off the balance in full. Now, some of you told us that you're worried about having things on autopay because that might overdraft your checking account. But there are some good ways to make sure that that doesn't happen. And that gets us to takeaway number two, overdraft protection is overdraft deception. Okay, that's like our catchy way of saying overdraft protection sounds like something good. But of course, the way this works is that the bank lets you overspend your checking account, often by just a few bucks. And then in exchange, it hits you with this $35 overdraft fee.

And that can happen again and again and again. I mean, if you looked at those fees as interest that the bank is charging to loan you that small bit of money for just a few days? The implied interest rate on that borrowing is huge. So it is not a wise way to borrow. So you just never want to pay an overdraft fee ever again. And here are a couple of different ways to make sure that you don't. The first, you want to open up a free savings account, and you can start out with just a couple hundred bucks in it, and then you link that savings account to your checking account.

So if you overspend, the checking account reaches out into the savings account and grabs the extra money that you need. So that if you make a mistake and overdraw your checking account, that money basically gets kicked over. And so you avoid the overdraft fee. And this all happens for free, no charge, problem solved. Now, to keep money in the savings account, automation can be your friend there too. You can auto deposit

part of your paycheck, whatever you want, 50 bucks, 100 bucks into that savings account every month to make sure that you've always got some money in there. Another thing you can do is to link your checking account to a line of credit from your bank instead of a savings account. And the line of credit, if you pay it back right away, it'll charge you like 25 cents in interest instead of that big $35 overdraft fee. I actually did this myself and I haven't paid an overdraft fee in like 20 years. It works really well. The line of credit, though, is a little bit riskier because if you don't pay it back, it could just turn into another big debt on your hands. So doing this with a savings account is probably the better way to go. And that savings account we've been talking about,

economists call that a buffer. And this is tip number three. You need to build up this buffer account. Anna Maria Lussardi is an economist and teaches financial literacy at George Washington University. She says there is Nobel Prize winning research that shows that having a buffer account like this can be tremendously powerful and keep you out of all kinds of trouble. A small buffer goes a long way to work kind of keeping our consumption a little less bumpy than our life and our income. Less bumpy. Okay, let's think about it this way. This buffer account helps you absorb

little financial shocks as they come along, like the shock absorbers on a car. So imagine now that you're driving in a car with totally busted shock absorbers. You feel every bump in the road. It's rattle, rattle, rattle. You know, other things break on the car. It's the fillings in your teeth are like rattling out. So living life without this buffer account is kind of like driving a car with no shock absorbers, right? I mean, any little bump in the road and it's going to send you flying or something, right? Absolutely. That's a great analogy. You know, like that small amount of money can help us when we hit the bump.

The bump in the road might be you got to visit a sick relative and the plane tickets cost 300 bucks. Your Buffer account can absorb that. And this Buffer account, I mean, this is not a new concept. In fact, human beings have basically been doing this for thousands of years. Neal says economists like him actually call this buffer thing a buffer stock. And he doesn't mean like stocks on Wall Street. It probably comes from what farmers did back in the day. They would hold on to excess grain in case there was some shock,

and that was the buffer of the stock of grain they held in a silo. I kind of love that image because if you were going to survive the winter, you needed to set aside some grain and food and dried meats or whatever, right? We kind of got to do the same thing now. It's just that we have these very expensive workarounds like credit cards and payday loans that for millions of people, they don't do this thing that we sort of evolved as a society to learn how to do hundreds of years ago. No, I think that's completely right. And look, financial innovation can't completely substitute for this folk wisdom of the farmer who's hanging on to some grain. So be a good farmer.

Get that buffer account set up. Now, a lot of people use their credit cards this way. It's like, oh, I can't pay the dental bill. I'll just stick it on my credit card, whatever. But Anna Maria says this is not what we should be using credit cards for. Relying on credit cards as a way to insure better against shock is not a good way. The best way to deal with the credit card is really use them as a method of payment, not as a method of borrowing, because 20-25% interest rate is a

very high interest rate. So Anna Maria is saying, and this is tip number four, credit cards are for convenience, maybe some airline points, but they are not for spending money that you don't have. It's just a much too expensive way to borrow. And with a buffer account, she says you don't need to use credit cards the wrong way. Another reason that the buffer account is so important is that often these little financial shocks in our lives, I mean, a $200 bill, oh, geez, I can't pay it. That can snowball. And just that one thing is like tipping over a domino and people end up in a really bad place. We heard from a listener named Laura Bittner. She moved back to Florida after her dad had a heart attack and she wanted to be close to family.

But money got really tight really fast. The first job that she found didn't pay very much. So at one point, I couldn't even afford groceries. So I intentionally overdrafted myself. But that was a mistake because then it started the cycle, like a vicious cycle of overdrafting again and again. Her next paycheck would come. She'd already be 250 bucks overspent on her checking account, plus overdraft fees. And her credit card started racking up late fees and interest. So over six months, I was charged about a thousand dollars for the bank overdraft fees and the credit card fees. It makes me feel like life is unfair because somebody who can't afford food has to pay like a punishment fee.

And you might think Laura paying $1,000 over six months is like some outlier dramatic example that we just happen to find. But Laura is actually pretty typical. The average working American today is paying close to two thousand dollars every year in various fees. That's Safwan Shah. He's a Silicon Valley entrepreneur. But before that, he ran into some debt problems himself in graduate school. And lately, he's been researching just how much people are paying in bank fees, credit cards, payday loans, auto title loans, just all kinds of high cost debt that can pull you into this vicious cycle. There is a leak in the boat and something's draining your resources. And Safwan has our next tip here, tip number five, which is before you get involved with any of these expensive debt options, if you're just like a few hundred bucks short for a car repair, you can try asking your employer to give you some of with them. There should be no shame associated with that.

I doubt that an HR person would look at you and say you're a loser for saying that. I think that's just prudent. I want to avoid fees. Most likely there will be someone with a human touch or a human reaction to your problem and there will be a solution. Actually, Safwan has started a new business that helps companies to do this for their employees. And some big companies like Walmart are already using it. But he says even if there is no formal system, it's always worth asking. And many companies are willing to give you some money a few days early for hours that you've already worked. You've earned it. If you need it, you should be able to access it. Okay, so we've been talking about a lot of ways to avoid fees and not fall into debt.

But let's say at the moment you're already in debt and you're trying to bail out your leaky boat. You are actually in luck because we've got a whole life kit guide that's just about how to get out of debt. There's a bunch of good information in there. So definitely check that out. But our last tip here is one thing you can do to plug some of the holes or at least make them smaller. If you've got credit card debt and you're paying a crazy high interest rate, Neil says one thing you can do, and this is tip number six, take advantage of what's called a balance transfer from another credit card. The way balance transfers work is you'll get a credit card offer often in the mail, which will say zero introductory rate, and there'll be a low cost for transferring a balance over to that card.

And so what you can do is you might have a couple thousand dollars on a credit card with a high interest rate. You can balance transfer it over onto the card with a zero introductory interest rate and either pay it off or at the end of the introductory rate period, try and balance transfer it onto a third card. Neil says you can set up auto pay once you transfer the money to make sure you don't miss a payment. And that's really important because a balance transfer can be a powerful way to avoid those high interest rates. But it can also be really dangerous.

This is not free money and you need to work extra hard to pay this debt off. You should just be careful because people on the other side, you know, have calculated the numbers and they know that even though they're providing you basically a loan with an almost zero interest rate, that for most of the people, they blow through the introductory rate period. Or if you miss one payment, the rate can jump up even higher than what you were paying on the original card. So more than half of people don't pull it off, but that doesn't mean you won't pull it off. So you can use balance transfers, but be careful. And look, to dig out of debt and escape the cycle of fees and interest, I mean, at some point, you're probably just going to have to knuckle down, live super cheap and cut

your expenses. We have a whole Life Kit episode on budgeting that can help. And getting out of debt is never a barrel of fun. But Anna Maria says the whole point of following these tips and getting to a place where you don't have to pay all these fees is that life is going to be a lot less frustrating and stressful when you get there. The objective of saving is not to have savings. This is a happiness project. The objective is to have freedom, right? To do the things you like or to achieve, you know, security or, you know, to be able to spend on a vacation, to be able to spend when you don't work, to be able to retire. The objective is our own happiness, our own well-being. And

that's what I teach in my course. We can't all take Anna Maria's semester-long personal finance course, but we've covered a lot of ground here. So to help us remember the most important stuff, here are the key takeaways. First, tip number one, automation is your friend. Take an hour on a Saturday afternoon and put everything on auto pay. Next, tip number two, overdraft protection is not protection at all. It's a crazy expensive way to borrow a very small amount of money. So never pay another overdraft fee again. The way to do that is link your checking account to a line of credit or a savings account so you don't have to pay those overdraft fees, which are really annoying and they pile up and they're easy to avoid. And our third takeaway, this is very key, is start building up a savings account,

your all-important buffer accounts to absorb those financial shocks that come along. It is very important for you to have a buffer stock of savings. Have that set aside so you will have a less bumpy road. Tip number four, credit cards are for convenience. They're not for spending money that you don't actually have. Try to pay off your credit card in full each month. It's really expensive to borrow at the interest rate that are charged on your credit card. And number five, if you get stuck with a car repair, you don't have a buffer account set up yet, try asking your employer for a little advance.

Don't be afraid to go to the employer and ask for your already earned wages. You've earned it. If you need it, you should be able to access it. You can try a balance transfer to get one of those promotional 0% interest rates, but you have to be careful and you have to be super vigilant about paying that off. For more NPR Life Kit, check out the next episode in this guide about how to boost your credit card IQ. You're going to figure out how to get free flights, better rewards on stuff you pay for every day while doing good things for your credit score. You can find that and other Life Kit episodes at npr.org slash life kit. And while you're there, subscribe to our newsletter

so you don't miss anything. We've got more guides coming out every month on all sorts of topics. Also, check out our Your Money and Your Life Facebook group. There are thousands of people in there sharing good information about all kinds of personal finance topics. And as always, here's a completely random tip, this time from the very fabulous Isaiah Thompson, who's a reporter with member station WGBH in Boston.

If you're going to the doctor and your ears have been ear waxy. Ask them to clean your ears out. I did exactly this, and they just did the most wonderful, thorough, soothing, life-enhancing job. It was like 15 minutes later, I felt like a new person. And you'll be able to hear your next Life Kit episode even more clearly.

If you've got a good tip you want to share with the show or want to suggest a topic, email us at lifekit at npr.org. I'm Chris Arnold. Thanks for listening. If you want to understand money and the economy better and you like good fun stories, try Planet Money. We find stories that make the complicated world of money a little bit clearer. That's Planet Money from NPR.