Locked On Hawkeyes - Daily Podcast On Iowa Hawkeyes Football & Basketball - BIG 10 SQUAD - Are Iowa Hawkeyes OVERRATED heading into 2025 season?

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

Can the Wisconsin Badgers defy the odds and secure a bowl game this season? With the Big Ten conference heating up, the spotlight is on Wisconsin's football team as they aim to surpass their 5.5 win total. Spencer McLaughlin, alongside guests Roman Tomashaw, Mark Culkin, and Ryan Herring, dissects the Badgers' prospects, analyzing their schedule and quarterback dynamics. The conversation also tackles the Big Ten's national championship hopes, with Penn State and Ohio State emerging as key contenders. Listeners will gain insights into the strategic shifts and player performances that could shape the season. Don't miss this engaging discussion on the Big Ten's football landscape and the pivotal moments that could define the year. Tune in for expert analysis and predictions!

Who's the most overrated team in the Big Ten? Is Wisconsin getting to a bowl game or will they miss it for a second straight year? Will the Big Ten win its third straight national championship? We're discussing all that today on the Locked On Big Ten Squad. Nebraska to Washington. It's the local experts of the Locked On Podcast Network, bringing you scoops, breakdowns, and the most comprehensive preview of the upcoming Big Ten weekend. No hurt feelings and thin skin allowed. Squad up, you're part of the Big Ten squad. Happy Thursday, everybody.

Welcome into this week's Big Ten squad. I'm Spencer McLaughlin. Roman Tomashoff of Locked On Huskies is here. Mark Kolkin of Locked On USC is here as well. Ryan Herring is zoomed all the way in. I mean, all the way in. I'm sure he's gonna get that sorted out here as we roll along with a number of things to get to today. We've got a four-man squad this week.

Herring's will be here. And I think that a four man squad, it reminds me of walking to a house that is run down and small, and you don't say, oh, this is not a nice place. You say, no, it's quaint, it's got character. That's the big 10 squad this week. We are quaint, character laden house.

So let's just hop right into the big question here, Roman. And that is for for your money Who is the most overrated team in the big ten? All right. No, the the big question is what just happened with Ryan? I I like I don't I don't we're off to a roaring start here. I Intro I have that was that was absolutely wild So it's somewhat horrifying, you know, whoever's behind the scenes directing that great Well, that depends on how much you like seeing Ryan Herring's face for the locked on badgers people out there

We're gonna see if ride could figure this out by the time we get her yeah, there we go That's that's a quick solution. So oh Man, that's that's right. Yeah, there we go. That's, that's a quick solution. So, Oh man, that's, that's great. Yeah. Football. Let's reset here where Spencer, I, I, I was really wrestling with this, where I wanted to be the Washington guy and just take a shot at Oregon because they're returning so returning so many players, right? All two starters from, from last year. 43% of their returning production.

Yeah, don't forget about it. 43% strong. But I'm gonna go bold here. And I'm gonna say, because we don't know what's going on at quarterback. We don't know what's going on at a whole lot of different positions outside of safety, where they've got one of the best players in the nation

and wide receiver, where they do have the best player in the nation. I'm gonna go with Ohio State here where they are losing so much production. We know they recruit super well. We know they do so much well behind the scenes in terms of development, in terms of making sure everybody is ready to step in.

But I have legitimate questions. I still think they're gonna be a fantastic team this year. But right now I would say, is this a team that's really ready to get all the way back to the national championship? Because those are the expectations they're going to have to live up to this season. And I have a lot of questions about that team right now. I think that's a fair response, Frank. I'll give my team later. I'll give you a hint. It's not Ohio State.

And by the way, Mark, the question here is overrated, not team that you want to hate on the most. So if you say UCLA, I know that you just didn't understand the question, so I wanted to make that clear. It's hard to call a school overrated when they're probably ranked 16th through 18th in the conference. So they're probably positioned where they belong.

Now, instead of going with Ohio State, which is an obvious choice, instead of saying well USC they're always overrated, I'll take that other school up there by the lakes in Michigan. That's a lot of defense that they have to replace and I get it they've got their system in place. You're just not gonna plug in a quarterback and say, all right, go, you're going to be good. Michigan is probably the other overrated team.

I know some people have them rated as number two, high as number two. You know, flip-flopping with Penn State, depending on which publication you want to, you know, go by. But yeah, I can stick with Michigan. I think they could be really overrated. They could be in for a similar season like they had last year. Last year they were, you know, offense efficient. I think this year they're replacing that defensive line.

And granted they recruit well, but you're replacing all of that defensive line, including the two guys in the middle. And when you don't have that, it makes life a little bit more difficult for those younger guys that they're returning in the back. Yeah, I look at Michigan, I love what they're going to be in 2026 because I'm with you, Mark, that that defense is just, it's going to be good. I think there's a certain floor that we saw with Michigan last year because they were still undergoing a bunch of change. Their quarterback play was abysmal. I'd imagine even if it's Bryce Underwood, which I hope it is because I think he's just got

so much upside compared to Mikey Keene. I think that there's a real chance for Michigan to have, like you said, kind of a similar year where it's just a bunch of turnovers, but for 2026, I might have them as my Big Ten favorite right now, depending on how Bryce Underwood looks this season. That's still not my pick. So, Herring's with a semi-respectable Zoom level

down there, my man. Which team do you look at and say, I don't think they're living up to what people think they will be? Yeah, Michigan was one of the ones that wrote down. I think it's a really good one. Michigan has a reputation as a great recruiting program, but there's a lot of development that happens there,

and they can't just readily replace upperclassmen first-round picks on the defensive line and the secondary. But I actually went with Indiana. So the thing with Indiana... I have company? I have company? I have a friend. I have, I have a friend, which is hard to find is neutral arbiter of all things, college

football. It's hard to find friends who agree with all of, all of my incredibly well reason takes, but yes, herrings continue. You're going to like this too, because I'm going to use a movie analogy and I know you and I are into movies. So like a one, a one-off does not make a multi-year success, right? Tremors, everybody loves Tremors, great sci-fi movie. The rest of them were terrible.

All I'm saying is one good year, is not my camera's really following me. One good year at Indiana does not make it, you know, several great years. You're gonna lose Rourke. I like Mendoza. I don't know if I liked him as much as what Rourke did for him last year.

And then you look at the schedule, it's harder this year. You had Notre Dame and Ohio State last year, who quite frankly roughed both of them up in the front seven. Indiana didn't have a great answer there. Now you got to go to Kinnick. You're going to have Illinois.

You got to go to Oregon. You got to go to Penn State. Kingsman said, manners maketh the man. Well, schedules maketh the team and the win-loss record. I think the schedule's harder. I don't feel great about the offense replacing some of those pieces. And I see where people are kind of putting them.

They're penciling into some spots. India, prior to last year, had one winning season in like the last 12, 13, 14 years. I know Signetti is a dude, but that program, that infrastructure, isn't ready to repeat what they did last year. I think Indiana is the most overrated team in the Big Ten. Gosh, that's just sharp take coming there from Herring's.

I will point out, we didn't plan that because Jacob Goens of Lockdown Hoosiers isn't here. He was unfortunately unable to make it at the last moment. But first of all, the Kingsman take 10 out of 10. Second of all, I love that you have Disney's Haunted Mansion feature in the basement, where you have the statues that follow you as you walk down the queue. I love that your camera has that, Ryan.

That's peak broadcasting, quite frankly. So none of us have any idea what's going on, but I just want a lot more of that. I wanna go to what you said and why Indiana is my pick there for being the most overrated in the Big Ten next year. I like Curtis Rourke a lot and I know what Goins is saying as he's listening to this show, he's screaming at me because he's told me this so many times throughout the off season. Well, Indiana doesn't have to run the ball or they can run the ball more. They're not as quarterback rely

You know, we've got a much deeper team. That's the best goings that I got pretty slow. Thank you I appreciate that I worked way too hard on it before the show when he said he wasn't gonna be here But I see that angle but the sketch I mean the schedule is night and day I mean I like that you've got the four games that you listed there, right? I think if you go two and two Indiana might be a playoff team. I don't know that you're going two and two their preseason win totals eight and a half I I think that is

Overvaluing the Hoosiers with that. Yes, they were turning good amount I don't think they return enough to be where they were a season ago. But speaking of Ryan Herrings he's the host of Lockdown Wisconsin. And if Wisconsin doesn't make a bowl game, they would go under their win total. And we'd be talking about them getting a new head coach. Is that going to take place? We'll just have to find out next on the Lockdown Big Ten squad. First this episode brought to you by Fandool.

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I think Roman and I weren't even going to school yet. It was so long ago and we were just barely, just barely alive. So Herring's we'll start with you since the Badgers are your squad. Another brutal schedule for Wisconsin pops up in 2025, which is not great timing for Luke Fickel, who's maybe starting to face some questions about his long term job

security there in Madison, five and a half over under where are you going? I'm gonna first try to do something quick tiny zoom out further. Okay, my camera's name, and like, it's AI powered. It didn't work. We're gonna move on. Okay. We'll go back to tiny. It's David's tiny. It just that's okay. We're going over. So here's the thing. Three years ago, Paul Chris last season in

Madison, I took the over and I failed. Two years ago, Luke Fickle comes in, I took the over and I failed. Last year I took the over and I failed. It's not gonna happen four times in a row, right? Like the definition of Okay, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let's have reasons. Oh, let's back up. Let's back up there for a moment, Herrings, before you explain your well-thought-out reasoning,

as I'm sure you have. When you took the over last year, please don't tell me you ever said the phrase, well, I've taken the over the last two years, it's not gonna happen a third year in a row, so we're going over, guys. I've spent a lot of time on this at the end of every year in the last several years. I said, I am not taking you over

again. And then listen, the portal happens spring, everybody's in the best shape of their lives, you get a new coach, you get a new transfer, whatever it is. Here's, here's the thing, though. So this is where I'll go over. And this is where I'm based my reason on last year, the badges were 16th in the big 10 and passing efficiency, there's only 18 teams. That's pretty bad. You can bring in a Billy Edwards. I think he can be decent. We talked about it.

She's I don't even know. Um, do and somebody else probably probably Purdue and maybe Northwestern. I would be guesses. I don't know. Yeah, you're probably right. Anyway, continue the way. I think you go from really bad to okay. Now keep in mind, the Badgers won five games last year with this same schedule. They played Bama last year, they played Oregon last year, they played Penn State last year, they played USC,

they played Iowa. The Badgers had a really hard schedule last year and won five games with one of the worst quarterbacks in the Big Ten. Do you know how many teams are in the FBS? I do because I have to look up tackles for loss for Wisconsin. There's 134 teams in the Big Ten.

You know who finished 134th last year? The Badgers. Oh boy. Dead last. So there were 16th in turnover margin in the conference, dead last in TFLs, 16th in passing rating, and they finished with five wins against the hellacious schedule.

If you just get decent, and turnover is a lot of turnover is luck, we know that. No, there's self-made turnovers, but there's also just, you get a bad bounce, a tip pass, whatever. You get decent turnover luck, okay-ish quarterback play, which by the way, Billy Edwards was the definition of okay-ish last year, which Badger fans have robbed a bank and kill for right now. And then you get, you're not 134th in tackles for loss in the country. You win another game. So I'm taking over. I think it's six or seven wins. It's certainly not more

than that, but I'm going over for the fourth year in the row. Plant the flag, let's go. All right, so going over the win total is Ryan Herring's drafting Kyle Pitts, is what I heard. That's what we've got too. Like this time, I tell you what, you know, or what's David Cross's character on Arrested Development which one is he he's the guy with the glass anyway he's

got that he's got the great line where he goes did it work for those people no no these people always delude themselves into thinking that they will work for them but it never does but it might work for us. Eventually it's going to happen. Yeah, that's the that's the spirit. Mark, you saw Wisconsin last year play USC. You think they're going over five and a half this year? Oxcren's still on that defensive staff there, Ryan? No, he left.

Mark, did you know that he's a full time defensive coordinator now? Yeah. Don't they stop? UCF. Yeah. Oh. Oh. Oh. That's what I said, Mark.

I couldn't believe it. So when I first came across that piece of news and talked about our lockdown college football, I did a sextuple take to make sure and confirm that he was the defensive coordinator for UCF, but he is. So I'm going to give Ryan a little glimmer of hope. You got one more win on your schedule now. Your defense automatically gets better when he's not involved in that scheme. Now I'm looking at your schedule and I'm thinking, all right, well maybe you're 2 and 0 out of the box. Then you got Alabama.

Maryland games are toss up. Michigan, where you going with that one? Iowa, always a boring game. Ohio State's going to whip it up. Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. That depends on your definition of boring, Mark, because. Do you like punt fests? That's what I was just about to say.

Some people, some people across this great country love watching a punter be the MVP of the game. Well, not in the locked on Pac 12. I know, but this is locked on Big 10. I had the Ray Guy award winner last year. So it's kind of funny. You know, it's interesting. But yeah, it's true, Spencer.

You can squint your eyes. It happened. Um. I just realized that. Yeah. I can see them getting six wins. And I think seven is, is, is your, is your high point that you've touched the ceiling at seven. Um, Roman, I'm glad you found that as funny as I did.

This is what happens when Brandon doesn't show up because his team is in a national championship game we're gonna finish recording way before that national championship game no the view on youtube was too zoomed in so Ryan's overly zoomed face was even more blown up and I just realized it because I looked in the top right corner when Roman said locked on pack 12 and I thought, wait, where's the big 10? Oh dear. Now we made the adjustment. So Roman, I'll toss this to you.

Washington has to go to Camp Randall, which as this Oregon guy I know will tell you is not an easy place to go. No matter how good your team is, it is hard, particularly later in the year. That game will be played on November 8th. How worried are you about going to play the batters at their home stadium? Well, personally, I hope I can go to that game. That's something I'm trying to make an effort to go do this season. I'm certainly very concerned about what just that stadium is. I hear great things about the environment. I very much enjoyed Washington. Not Washington.

I'm all over the place today. Watching Oregon almost collapse down the stretch there. That was like the highlight of Washington season last year, wasn't it? Wisconsin. The highlight was watching Demond Williams in the bowl game. That was just... Ah, I season last year, wasn't it? Wisconsin. The highlight was Washington, DeMont Williams, the bowl game. That was just, I see the good old sun bowl. Hey, I I'm taking the wins where I can right here. Okay.

I would too. I would too. Yeah, I know. Cause if we, you know, turn back the clock any further, you're, you're just going to just be like, Oh no, that didn't happen. One only season that matters is the one we can talk about. And Spencer, we're talking about Wisconsin. That's true. We are talking about Wisconsin. You're right. You're right. And I, Ryan, I'm sorry to say this, but I'm not completely sold on Billy Edwards just yet. I, you know, just as somebody who is one of these West Coast guys, as Spencer and Mark can attest, I can't get in the boat of, Hey, okayish quarterback

play is fine by me. And I'm sure that is certainly an upgrade over what you saw last season, but I just, I can't get in the boat on that just yet. I it's one of those things where that is just so important. And even in the big 10 as I'm still getting used to, oh yeah, you know, we can hand the ball off 45 times a game. I'm still personally not used to that, but I have to take the under right now I look at the schedule and I say that is gonna be really tough and you know

I think that Washington game right now is a toss-up to bring it back to Spencer's original point there That is going to be a very very tough place to play for anybody to anybody Who does need to go in there? But I just I have to take the under right now, especially, you know You're talking about you took the over three straight years in a row, you're doing it again. So I feel like I need to just kind of take the other side of the coin there. Uh, herrings, I'm, I'm going to side with you on this one. I like the over five and a half for Wisconsin. Here's my reasoning.

Every time they need a break to come home and play a winnable game, they get it. Right? You go to Alabama. Well, that's going to be a loss. Then you come back home. Boom, you get to play Maryland in the Billy Edwards Jr. revenge game. Right? No shot. Wisconsin loses that one. Then you go at Michigan. That's tough. Not unwittable, but tough at the big house. And what would you like to do after that? Come back home, oh yeah, against Iowa, whose offense I'm never going to trust,

particularly away from Kinnick. Then you play Ohio State at Oregon, that's a tough stretch, because you go home on the road. But then Washington at Indiana, host Illinois at Minnesota. I don't see why Wisconsin can't win as many as three of those. I'm not picking him to win four, but I think they win at least two. And if they win three, I think they go over pretty easily.

So I'll plant my flag on the Badgers get back to their bowling ways. They are the bowling Badgers in 2025. Once again, will the big 10 be a national championship conference once again, this year? That is really hard to see. Will it be a third straight year for the Big Ten winning the national championship? I want to start with a proposition or an idea, suggestion, call it whatever you'd like. And Roman, I'll go to you first on this the best chance for the big 10 win a national championship for a third straight year is probably Penn State. Is that is that completely yes Ohio State as you mentioned earlier is going to have a really good roster but there is not a lot of continuity there you got the same issues in Oregon. Michigan's got, again, losing a bunch

of really good NFL players. But Penn State, as I said last week, should be viewed as the favorite in this conference. There is not going to be a better year for them to win it. So you might very well go through the Big Ten and say, hey, your best chance to win a third straight national title is the Penn State Nittany Lions. How do we feel about that, Roman? Horrible, Spencer, you read my mind. That was exactly what I wanted to go with this, is I wanted to start this by saying, yeah, the Penn State's the best chance.

And I feel horrible about that, where I look at Drew Aller, I know they're returning a lot of good players, right? I love their running back duo. Drew Aller coming back is certainly a very important part of this, but we saw the way he played against our name. I'm not going to trust that guy in a playoff game again, going forward. I just, I can't get behind this. I can't trust James Franklin in those big games. I think that they have a lot of talent on that team, but there

is just, there's too many question marks there. And you know, if you want to go down the road of one of these other favorites in the Big 10, whoever you want to call them, I'm not saying the name of your team, Spencer, because I certainly don't. Excuse me. I have no team. You see this stuff behind me. I am neutral arbiter of all things college football.

That is my official title here at the Lockdown Network. My apologies, neutral arbiter of college football. Thank you. Apology accepted. Continue. But no, I can't trust James Franklin. I can't trust Penn State. And if Ohio State or Michigan, they have a breakout season, great.

Right now, I can't talk about any of them because all I see is Penn State staring me in the face. And that absolutely terrifies me when it comes to, you know, if you just got to push one team out there as of right now. Mark, USC is not going to throw their hat into the ring and shock the world. Right? Why not? The reason why everybody's looking over there and saying that James, it's up to you this year. And that's a big, heavy lift James. You've never won a big game before James is because they're the only team that

has their started returning a quarterback with a lot of game experience. You need to have a quarterback who you can take over a game when the rest of the team might not be playing well. Everybody in this room right now is, they're saying, well, we like our quarterback. We think that we got a good quarterback that can get the job done, but, so anytime you say but,

you're about to contradict yourself, that's the situation right now. Penn State returns the best, the best, finger close, quarterback in the conference. They're returning their two running backs. They're returning a bunch of dudes on defense. They have the most complete team. They have the best chance. Whether their schedule sets it up and Coach Franklin figures it out and doesn't have his quarterback feeling that noose around his neck as the games get them close, late in games, that's where they're at. Plus, we can talk about the whole FTC and ESPN making sure they push their narrative.

You see how when they push hard enough, you'll get 13 at large bids in the NCAA tournament. So we'll see what happens in this playoff field coming up in 20. To be fair on the 13 bids, I wouldn't exactly say the SEC underperformed. They had like seven of the sweet 16. It was pretty good. 13 at large bids. I it's, it's a little, it's a little, it's a, it's a little it's a it's a little excessive. Like I didn't love seeing Texas in there. Like that that felt like a bit of a stretch.

But seven teams in the sweet 16. Know your audience, Benz. That's pretty. No, you're right. No, you're right. I just I'm just I'm just throwing it out. I was like, it's pretty good. Pretty good.

Maybe a few extra teams in there, but yeah, know your audience locked on Big Ten here. We'll see how everybody's talking when all of a sudden the big conference is pushing four and five teams in the playoffs. You think the ESPC and the ESPN is gonna sit around and go, we're okay with that. Well, I mean, are you talking about for the playoff changes

that'll arrive for next college football season at this upcoming one? Yeah, well, I think the Big Ten is going to have the same number of guarantees as the SEC. That'd be my guess. Just the suspicion. But we'll see who's running the TV that you know who's in charge at that point. Yeah, I think TV execs have been they've been running the show for I think for I think for quite a while now. But anyway, Ryan, your thoughts on the national championship picture for the Big Ten? Yeah, it's funny how the script is flipped a little bit right now. Everyone was getting on me picking the Badgers four years in a row. Now everyone's picking Penn State to suddenly do it after you haven't seen it in how many years with James Franklin.

I don't know. I don't know about picking. I think you're just saying it's they're the last best hope. That's the thing, I don't think they are. See, that's what I'm saying because they've never been the last best hope because they haven't been able to do it. I think you look at an Ohio State, you see, and I hear what you're saying, Roman and Mark, it's really good points about returning quarterback

experience, that matters 100%. But I think you look who's the best offensive player in the league is gonna be on Ohio State with Smith. The best defensive player is probably Downs at Ohio State. They're gonna figure out quarterback play because it's what they typically do with those weapons and you know, saying as an athletic guy, they're going to figure it out. I trust Ryan Day way more to engineer a championship level team than I do Franklin. And by the way, where does Penn State go in the regular season?

They go to Columbus, like schedules make it seasons. You know, you talk about the easy, you know, it's much easier to win the national title if you have a better regular season, improve your seating. Penn State's not going to beat Ohio State in Columbus. You know, that's going to be a caravan running through barbarian lands. It's just going to get raided and torched. They're going to get, I don't know. So I don't think they're going to beat them in Columbus. I mean, maybe I'll be wrong, but I think it's Ohio State. And in terms of the big 10, now in terms of bigger pictures, the Big 10 going to repeat, you got to look at there's not a lot of, there's not a lot of great quarterback answers in

the SEC. Not really. There's a kind of it's Garrett Nussmeyer, Lenore Sellers is back. DJ Lagway is good. Nico, if you're going to bank on sophomore, I like, yeah, point is there's not a lot you point to there and say, wow, that's a great player. Maybe Texas with Manning, you know, in the second year. But my point is, I think Ohio State probably has as good a chance as anybody I like them more than Penn State does. So that's where I would put my confidence

as a big 10 fan, just because I've seen enough from Aller and Roman, you hit it, we saw what he did against Notre Dame. I don't trust that guy to win a title. I just don't. So I think it's why I stayed for me. Will they win? It's tough. I don't know. It's a tough one. I think it's why I stay for me. Will they win? It's tough. I don't know. It's a tough one. I think it's a toss up. Yeah. So here's where I've come down with this is when I think about the big 10 teams, it's really easy to find a reason why not.

You know, Ohio State, Oregon losing too much. Michigan not going to be ready quite yet. Penn State, they struggle to break through, even though they've got the team on paper do it. But go through the SEC. You can do the same exact thought discussion, which is why I kind of come back to Clemson. I think it's a great year for Clemson

to go out and win the national championship. Because I mean, right now, who's the best team in the SEC? Or who's going to be? Georgia or Texas probably, right? They're both working in new quarterbacks that has no guarantee now It could they could both pop off. They're both really talented guys What's that? This is what better with archman in last year. That's gonna be a seamless transition spencer

I I think I think it can't I think it can be like right now. I I've said the best team in that conference I've said for a while texas would probably be my be. Like right now, I've said for a while, Texas would probably be my national championship pick right now until we maybe hear a little bit more, just because I think their defense is really good. I trust Sark on offense. I think Arch Manning is good. But there's a lot of, I think, I hope,

I wonder about all that sort of stuff. And maybe a big 10 team sneaks in there by default But you know This is kind of like I I didn't know like they could maybe possibly But like the best quarterback in the SEC is Garrett Nussmaier at LSU. We think Brian Kelly's won a national championship Maybe they're all in they've got a great transfer portal class and all that sort of stuff I wouldn't be surprised if the big 10 finds a way to walk into one by the end of the year

But at the outset, yeah, I don't think the the chances of a three-peat are are incredibly high We'll call it there for today. Roman Tomashov locked on Huskies. Mark Colkin locked on USC. Ryan Herrings locked on Badgers I'm Spencer McLaughlin locked on all over the place. This has been the Big Ten Squad. We'll see you next time And Ryan's camera is gonna see him when he sleeps tonight. So that's something he's got to look forward to. We'll see everybody Until then, hope you all have a wonderful rest of your day