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Episode Date: April 16, 2026

NCAA sanctions shake up Iowa Hawkeyes football as eight wins are vacated for tampering with quarterback Cade McNamara—was it worth the fallout? The Locked On Big Ten Squad debates whether the NCAA's focus is misplaced, questioning the penalty’s impact, and suggesting the NCAA targets smaller programs while avoiding powerhouses. Lively banter covers Kirk Ferentz’s legacy, Iowa’s ongoing quarterback development woes, and frustrations with inconsistent NCAA enforcement. Wisconsin Badgers face chaos after the sudden departure of athletic director Chris McIntosh, leaving major leadership gaps ahead of the new season. The Big 10 Squad weighs in on Wisconsin’s struggles to adapt in the NIL era and whether Luke Fickell’s job is on the line. The episode also spotlights shifting approaches to spring games, with limited action from stars like Michigan’s Bryce Underwood and Penn State scrapping their scrimmage entirely. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

They're trying to take wins away from our Big Ten king, Kirk Ferrence. We all know what happened. That and more drama on today's Locked-on Big Ten Squad. You're talking ball with the Big Ten Squad, sponsored by game time. From USC to Ohio State, from Michigan to Oregon, from Nebraska to Washington, it's the local experts of the Locked-on Podcast Network, bringing you scoops, breakdowns, and the most comprehensive preview of the upcoming Big Ten weekend. No hurt feelings and thin skin allowed.

Squad up, you're part of the Big Ten Squad. Happy Thursday, everybody. Welcome to this week's Lockdown Big Ten Squad. I'm your host, Spencer McLaughlin, Neutral Arbiter of All Things College. Football, Zach Seiko of Lockdown, Nany Lions is here with Isaiah Hall of Lockedon Wolverines. We'll talk about his team and what they're not doing in the spring game later on. Ryan Herring's of Locked on Badgers. He doesn't have an athletic director.

I think they should hire Ryan. He's got a very interesting background. Roman Tomashoff of Lockdown Huskies is here, and Mark Colkin of Locked on. on Trojan. Saco by order of random operations and how Streamyard decides to put people into this studio format, you get to go first. The NCAA is saying because of tampering

with Cade McNamara, Iowa is losing eight wins that are no longer officially recognized. So we have to go back in memory hole and pretend that those games never happened, right? Yeah, I'm eager to hear Isaiah. and Mark's takes on this honestly they should have went first uh i it i would what did they do what did they do that year what that that was my thing is that you're vacating wins against iowa and look i i say i guess you get the chance to to defend yourself in that case because everyone who's

going to point well michigan did all this and they won a championship what did iowa do they they went through all this tampering and they didn't win a thing so uh that that's my look at it is it's just it's it's a bunch of nothing and so waste of time. And they, they didn't even succeed with, with the rules that they broke. Yeah, it was just in the egregious violation of, uh, someone help me out here. Contacting Cade McNamara a little early. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Isaiah, would you, would you care to weigh in on a conversation about NCAA

sanctions and rule violations? Any comment? Listen, cheaters never prosper. And that's where, you know, like, you know, you reap what you sew and you're going to get, you're going to end up being a dirty program. One of three Big Ten teams to have games vacated. Can't say it for Michigan because Michigan's never had a game vacate. Not yet.

Give it time. Give it time, Isaiah. But, I mean, this is, it's significantly more egregious than Connor sending his mom to Rossade Stadium for the Purdue Ohio State game. Like, that's, no, I mean, why would you do this for Cade McNamara? Like, you know, Iowa failing to properly develop quarterbacks is, is a different, is a different topic. I mean, Michigan couldn't develop him either. So, I mean, I don't know where you look at it and say, like, yep, that's, that's it. We've got to go all in, get that guy of everyone. I understand he was a team captain at the time. He had won the big 10. But it wasn't kind of in spite of Cade McNamara.

And yet they put all their eggs in that basket. You know, at that point you just say good luck. And you just wouldn't expect, like, you think the penalty for going out and trying to get Cade McNamara wouldn't be NCAA violations and losing games? I think it would be just, I don't know, having Cade McNamara on your team. That's the real torment that Iowa fans had to, go through. Mark had to get back to his checks mix. So, he was like, he's out. He's out. He's out.

He's just out. Hey, McBearra, the California boy. You couldn't handle it. He couldn't handle. There's the one that USC let get away. Truly. Ryan, cared away in. It's hilarious. The NCAA going after Iowa for this and taking games away. The entire sport right now is a dumpster. It's a train wreck. There's fires everywhere. Like, this is the akin to, like, a guy's house burning down. He's like, quick, honey, save the oregano. Get it out of the house really quick.

Like, there's bigger issues, guys. NCPal- What? Yeah, you want to, you want to say that again, Ryan? There's bigger issues. No, no, not that part. Not that part. What do you save in the house? The oregano.

Missing a vowel in there, my man. I like to buy a vowel. Would you like to buy a vowel for 200? How do you pronounce it? Oregano. Oregano? No. No.

No. People say Oregono. Oh, right. Listen, in northern Wisconsin, we have our own, like, way of saying things, I guess. But, like, the bigger point here is there's bigger issues in play. And the NCAA wasting time, like, taking wins away from Iowa. Iowa, quite frankly, should be able to break whatever rule they want to try to get a quarterback. Nice.

Like, they should go to whatever they can. There should be no rules against Iowa trying to get any type of quarterback. They should people go get any player any time, anywhere with any way. means necessary. So it's just funny. It's hilarious to me. It's the NCAA being the NCAA. And I don't think I've ever said

oregano in my life. It's oregano. Yeah, I'm sure. If you just ignore the letter A, yeah, it's totally, totally oregano. That's very, very right. I think we all agree that the NCAA should stop focusing on Iowa and get back to what they do best.

Punishing USC. Isn't that right, Mark? Yeah, I've traveled down this road before. Look, if that was the harshest penalty that the NCAA applied to USC, I would be fine with it because that's like that penalty holds no weight. Everybody knows who actually won the games. If you want to attack Kirk Ference, there's plenty of things to go after Kirk Perence about, mostly that he doesn't know how to build an offense after how many years he's been in college. But that's besides the point. Well, he took shot to Lincoln Riley and went out to USC last year.

and found out what a real defense can look like in their type of, you know, game environment. You will see them out. So just desserts for the Iowa program, I guess. Yes, when I think defense, I think Lincoln Riley, who those two things go together like peanut butter and jelly. Those are the calendar. Oh, I'm very aware of what's going down on September 26th. And believe me, if that game doesn't go the way USC wants.

it to. There will be a certain obnoxious alter ego of mine that comes out and you will not. It's not an alter ego. It is definitely an alter ego to which I refer. If you're lucky, your coach might get fired after that game. You've seen me go all homerific and just say victory fingers to all of you. Trust me. That's going to be a show to tune into it. We haven't? No, no. Oh, Lord. What have we seen? Okay. Anyway, Roman, it is taking eight wins away, establish the NCAA's dominance.

I don't know what the messiest thing I've seen so far. Is it Mark's pronunciation of parents? Is it Ryan's of oregano? Or is it just the NCAA as a whole? This is, this is, this is insane. I'm, I'm just so tired of the NCAA because they, they have every opportunity to get the smallest things right. And they still just find ways to smoke the lamp every single time. There is no consistency.

There is no, there's no sense of anything with them where it's, okay, yeah, this, you know, this punishment that I'm pretty sure I thought I saw somewhere that Iowa was at a certain point like, hey, just a heads up. We think we might have broken the rules a little bit here. And it's no, okay, we're going to take wins away from you. But there are several other things that, no, this, this doesn't count. That doesn't count. It's ridiculous.

I'm just, I'm over this. You know, Craig, you and I both do shows where we cover an array of teams was diving into the Cade McNamara recruitment to Iowa on your note sheet for this week, because I got to tell you, it missed mine. Yeah, not at the beginning of the week. You know, and I echo a lot of what everybody's saying about the NCAA and how feckless and stupid they are. Let's not forget they took two and a half years to come up with this. that's the other thing. He hasn't played football in a long time. I think he went to East Tennessee State for a spell after he left Iowa.

He went from Michigan to Iowa to East Tennessee State. And look, the taking away the wins is idiotic. I was a staunch defender of Michigan when Ohio State every day was banging the drum for the hammer to come down at Spygate. I said, no, we're not taking wins away. And to pick on, I don't want to say little Iowa, but I mean, why are we not make an example of a of a blue blood or a national power they won't do that they don't have the guts to do that they're just picking on iowa right here and it's absolutely ridiculous it's the old i think the line was from jerry tarcanian the nca is so mad at kentucky they took it out on

mcneese you know yeah unfortunately iowa is the mcnees or whatever small college by the way before we wrap this segment can any would anyone like to venture a guess across two years the total touchdown to interception ratio for Cade McNamara at Iowa. Did he throw any touchdown? What was that guess, Roman? 14 to 10. Okay, 14 to 10 is on the board. Cannot be replicated.

I think it's worth that. Yeah, I think it's like 11 and 9. What was that, Seco? 8 to 8. 8 to 8. Herrings? 11 and 9. 11 and 9.

Isaiah? 3 and 8. 3. Oh gosh. Mark, do you want to throw a guess out there? I'm going to go 10.9. Actual retail price, 10 to 8. And Mark Colkin, come on down.

Next contested. Price is right. Oh, the price is right. Oh, I know he's watched that show from its very beginning. So that honestly kind of tracks. Yeah, 10 touchdowns, eight interceptions. The NCAA is like, give me 80 or wins. Cade, Matt.

McNamara. Goodness gracious. So speaking of craziness, Ryan is running for Wisconsin Athletic Director, and he has my full-throated endorsement. First, this episode brought to you by our friends at Indeed, workplace chaos, deadlines stacking up, inbox overflowing, and the one position you have to fill still sitting open when the pressure's on and you need the right hire. This is a job for sponsored jobs. Indeed, sponsored jobs helps you reach the people who actually fit what you're looking for. skills, experience, location, so you're not just hoping the right candidate stumbles across your post. Here's a staff that says it all. In the minute I've been talking to you, companies like yours made 27 hires on Indeed, according to Indeed data worldwide. So if you're hiring, spend less time

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from Barry Alvarez stepped into the role very quickly hired Luke Fickle after a couple years and then he just left he literally just left Barry Alvarez was interviewed uh came out today and this was the guy that Barry Alvarez hired Barry's like yeah I didn't know he was leaving I mean he just he found a job and he just left so a couple things here Wisconsin also doesn't have a chancellor nor president so there is leadership void at every single level at Wisconsin right now they're hiring for look at what Luke Fickle has done to this school there they're hiring They're hiring for three different positions right now, all of which are pretty darn important to the university and the athletic programs. I think what this does big picture is you hit you hit on it.

Luke Fickle no longer has a security blanket. The athletic director that hired him is gone. So the new guy coming in, it's not going to be his guys. And that goes for Greg Gardt, too. And Gregard's been pretty darn good. But everybody has a new athletic director. That's a shakeup. I think the other thing here is Chris McIntosh, like we've seen many other people from a different era of college sports, Jay

right you know you go down and down the list he comes from a different era of college sports and i think he's looking at nil and he's saying this is really difficult this isn't what i'm here to do i'm going to go take a job in the big 10 that pays pretty well i can get off at five every day go drink a beer hit a game of golf and it's completely non-stressful i think he's getting out while he can before potentially he's forced out at wisconsin hit a game of golf what is it like pick on northern ryan day like what do you call oregano what is happening here hit okay we're going to have a long conversation because you obviously didn't watch rory mackleroy win masters over the weekend and that's not okay uh crag i want to go to you next on this you're looking at the big ten as a whole does this raise

red flags for you in any way about wisconsin yeah well first of all i mean i i'm i think we're all surprise that Luke Fickle got another year this year. Most coaches would have been fired after last year, his third year in, sub 500. Instead, they says, well, we got to pay more name image and likeness money. We'll fix the problem there. Plus, they didn't want to pay Fickle's $25 million buyout. I think maybe McIntosh saw the writing on the wall, doesn't really have the guts to want to fire his friend, Luke Fickle, got out while the getting was good, perhaps. But I will argue this. It's really easy to look at the Wisconsin problem of the last three years with Luke Fickle. maybe Ryan will agree with me. The scapegoat is, oh, we got our quarterbacks every year and they

always got injured early. It's true. They've had some devastating luck with injuries at quarterback. My argument has always been that fickle never got quarterback right. Tanner Mortarkeye was not, I mean, I actually had amazing passing numbers before he got to Wisconsin. It didn't look like a passing quarterback to me. It's kind of a smart kid that can kind of run an offense, couldn't throw the ball. Next year, Tyler Van Dyke, I was never a big fan of his down at Miami. He's, He's just as likely to throw three interceptions as three touchdowns in any given game. He got hurt early. We never found out.

I think he threw one touchdown pass at Wisconsin. Billy Edwards Jr. The idea was to go get Maryland's quarterback to help us. Please. I mean, he threw up a lot of yardage because Maryland's always behind. And they like this. Mike Loxley likes to throw the ball down there.

So Colton Joseph, I think is the kid now from Old Dominion. I don't think that that's going to be the answer. I am intrigued by Carter Smith. But the problem is they just haven't gotten the. quarterback position right and that has been the demise and it came in there with the dairy raid he inherited a bunch of six six tackles and a couple of running backs he says no we're not doing that anymore that's the old wisconsin way we're going to throw the ball when you don't get the quarterback

right you can't throw the ball and it's been it's been just a little short of a disaster for luke for three years i think sake they just they just didn't have russal wilson other than russell wilson when did they ever hit on qb i was just going to say that was my question right i mean They never needed a QB. Just stay with the running game, but he got away from it. I mean, it's not unheard of that a new coach could go anywhere and implement a system that works. No. I agree that the quarterback play has been substandard.

But when you go from one coach to another, I don't know how fair it is to apply the label. Like, oh, this is what your school is and has to be as a football program. Like if Kurt Signetti went to Wisconsin, would he have to run the ball? 40 times a game. But my argument is his first year there at Wisconsin, he had to a tremendous offensive line and two really good running backs. And he says, nah, we're going to throw the ball. Well, no longer end up getting fired shortly there after the offensive quarter because

it couldn't do it. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's true. Sika, they just didn't have Rocco backed, right? I actually have, because for some reason, Wisconsin's all over my social media feed right now. So I was actually more prepared for this segment than anything else we were going to discuss.

there's because I saw something about Big Cat wanting to wanting to fund NIL and no one's no one has reached out to him what so it seems like there's no coordination at all with Wisconsin when it comes to athletics and trying to prop themselves up because the reason Wisconsin is not good anymore is not honestly I don't think it's a Luke Fickle problem

I think it's just a they have gotten left behind in the NIL era they have no they they just don't know how to coordinate and apparently the money is there there's all these rich donors but nobody's reaching out to them, nobody's contacting them. Ryan, you can obviously offer more contacts there. So I think this is just a coordination in the powers that be aren't adapting with the times. It's not a Luke Fickle problem.

The guy won at Cincinnati. So. Yeah, no, I see that. Isaiah, you're familiar with administrative upheaval within an athletic department. Is this a red flag in your view up in Madison? No, it's all good. Keep doing what you're doing.

maybe you know do the go the green bay packers route you know every everyone can can buy in to be part of the athletic department you know and make uh you can just make a decisions as a group um i'm sure you guys can reach a quorum but uh i mean yeah you need you need all the pieces to work kind of in a row right like it's just as troubling not having athletic director as it is to not have a president right because even when you if you have a president who's at odds with the athletic department like Michigan had with Mark Schlissel, things aren't going to get done kind of the way that you want, right? Like you had COVID happening. You have Jim Harbaugh leading marches to be like,

don't cancel the season while the foremost person probably in the entire conference that's like shut it down is Michigan's president. So you do need to have some kind of alignment, I think, in order to win across the board. I think the good news is at least basketball wise, Greg Gard, has been phenomenal. The hockey program has obviously also been phenomenal. Damn, Denver and what they do. Both of us can relate there. The pioneers.

But, you know, I think that there's still a commitment to athletics in Madison. So it's just a matter of like, okay, start somewhere, anywhere, probably with the president, stop putting everything on Barry Alvarez's plate, or make him like someone that's in the Kingsguard and make him athletic director for life and say you cannot resign you have to be here forever so those are the only options i'd say mark if lincoln riley's athletic director is it still jen cohen yeah yeah if if jen cohen were fired would you look at lincoln riley's job security differently well she didn't hire him so um i don't know look it this is all it's all about buyouts i'm actually surprised that that luke fickle is still there i mean

isaiah you just brought up that you know they can do with the green bay packers way didn't wisconsin the state just say we're paying 13 million in the nil for wisconsin 14.6 14.6 let's go you would put all the 6 in there every dollar matters yeah yeah so it look how they get the right type of players that's what it's all about it's not not n i'll any It's how much money do you have to pay for play? And until Wisconsin is willing to make that investment, like USC took a little bit longer than they should have, to make that full investment.

We're all the way in. We got unlimited funds. Let's go buy a championship. It seems to be working. That seems to be the formula nowadays. So unless Wisconsin is willing to do that, it could be a lot of mediocre football for a long time. And which ironic is...

I think Wisconsin would take mediocre football right now. Yeah, we'll take that. The last thing is going to do out the door is the person they want to get rid of because you've got to make all these other hires before you can hire a new football tip. So this thing is going to be prolonged until the powers that B are fluctuated. Last thing I would say really quick on this, because it's, it's, listen, if you don't have a good AD, then you got to move on. And again, I kind of hit on it.

McIntosh was part of a different era of this college sport. After he's come in, this football program has essentially cratered. We're losing star basketball players to potentially other teams in the conference. Wisconsin basketball can't pay what it needs to pay. We had a lawsuit on the women's basketball side. It's not been a good tenure, quite frankly. So I think there's a chance here for Wisconsin to and Isaiah hit on it from the president to the chancellor to the AD to actually create some alignment that moves this program. board into this era of college sports.

So I think there's a big opportunity here actually for Wisconsin. And I don't, it's a red flag for fickle, but I don't think it's a bad thing for Wisconsin. I think they have a chance to actually move into a new era of college sports that they've been reticent to move into so far. Did I pronounce reticent right? Can I get? Yes. That was pretty good.

Yeah. That was a good one. That was a good one, Ryan. Well done. Well done. done. Is Michigan doing it the right way and everyone else needs to copy? We'll move Isaiah into the lead off spot. Watch this. There it goes. Yeah, he's up. He's up first. You said you had no control over that. First, this episode brought to you by friends at Rocket Money. If you've ever opened your bank account and thought, where did all my money go? Maybe you're, you know, Wisconsin Athletics or something. You're not alone. Keeping track of subscriptions, spending, and bills can get overwhelming fast. That is where Rocket Money comes in, helping you take control of your finances, all. all in one place. Rocket money tracks all your subscriptions in one spot and can help cancel the ones you don't need with just a few taps. It automatically categorizes your spending so you can

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Shako, when I said I can't control where everybody goes, I was just half lying there. That's all that was. When everyone gets added and I just go out. It just would have been better for the show to. And I just go add, add, add, add, add that that's a little more random sometimes. But, you know, I can I can mix and match as I see fit. So Isaiah is, is Michigan not going to not going to play anybody interesting in the spring game? I mean, it kind of looks that way.

12 to 18 guys that are unlikely to play according to Kirk. Kirk, I was going to say Kirk parents. I was going to say, did we, did we miss something here? Breaking news. To Kyle Whittingham. And I mean, I think you're still obviously going to see Bryce Underwood just because I don't, they don't have a lot of quarterbacks right now.

Really, it's three guys. So you're going to see him probably Chase Herb Street and true freshman Tommy Carr. But other than that, like I think it's a fine way. to go and if you're looking at it from a coaching perspective because do you really need to see the guys that you know are going to be starters and just risk them having injuries and things of that nature and it's really not different terribly different than kind of what you see even last year you know Donna McColley went in for one play got one catch and then he was done justice Haynes was in for like five plays he had like four runs and then he was done so I think

they're just looking at it and conserving now media wise I hate it because like Like, everyone keeps asking me every single week, how should we watch the spring game? What should we be looking for? I don't know. Like guys make it like some third stringer suddenly putting their name on the map, I guess. I don't know. So it kind of sucks because we don't really have a lot to talk about in terms of like, oh, wow, the offense looks really good or the defense really stepping up because it's a lot

of guys that probably aren't going to be seeing the field that often mixed with split squad. So who knows? Seiko, how's Penn State doing it? They aren't having a spring game. It has been... We're taking this a step further. It's not even about resting certain players. I mean, you'll see everybody, but it's going...

It is truly going to be a practice. It is going to be a practice in Beaver Stadium in front of all the fans and not a game-like setting. What does that have to do with? Because there's no portal window. So you can't go and poach a player, right? Because that was the idea is that, oh, well, this won't be televised. so other people can't see highlights and stuff,

but you're still doing a full practice with everybody available in front of, I imagine it's going to be a huge turnout. 70,000 people, that's usually what Penn State gets for a spring game, a spring weekend, because everybody's excited about Matt Campbell for the most part. So 75,000 people plus are going to see a regular, everyday Penn State football practice instead of a game.

That's not as much fun, Ryan. I don't like it. I don't like it. Yeah, we're going to do that too. We're going to have like a practice too. Moving on to Craig. We won't get 70,000. There's not going to be 70,000 there. I think, listen, I think this administration is still a little scarred by,

I don't if you guys remember this, the launch. That was the first kind of practice. What administration? The fickle administration. Oh, okay. We had a big spring of it called the launch, featuring the new high rate offense, area, dairy rate offense,

and we threw four picks in front of a bunch of people in the weather and it was like this this is this is rough we either at the on sanders in the secondary this is going to be a problem newsflash we did not have deion sanders in the secondary so i don't know yeah i i what i would say is i wish programs especially in this era where it's i think it's more important than ever to connect with fans fan bases to generate excitement because i think all those things go into generating money ultimately all those things help you generate money i wish they would do more of an event i wish they would do some type of skills event too like i i think there's a lot you could do when people are coming on campus to see your product to sell some excitement to build some

bands of the next generation um i would like to see them do something more like that but i think it's just going to be a practice it is kind of what it is mark you had a big head nod in there look like there something clicked in your head you want to share well no because i i agree 100 with what ryan just said it's about connecting with the fan base you know bringing them in because a lot of times this is the only event a family can actually afford to come to and i'm not looking at looking for a real game. I get it. You know, all that's kind of changed. Lincoln Riley didn't want to have a spring game this year because he didn't want to waste a day preparing for a game that doesn't really mean anything in front of the fans. So even that last day of practice turned into

basically just a bunch of guys running around, like in shorts and shells. It wasn't even a full day. It was I don't understand why coaches programs kind of follow what each other does. It doesn't make any sense. But back in the day, USC would have a spring game. They get, you know, 10,000, but it was the fan interaction afterwards. You had the in-and-out hamburger truck there serving meals. We had the garage sale where you could buy gear and then run out on the field after the spring game and have the players and the coaches autographed.

So it was a fan interactive event. And for some reason, it's getting away from that. I don't like it. Craig. I'm sorely disappointed as a fan and a member of the media that Michigan's not playing at starters. Bryce Underwood, I think, still need some more game experience. There is no bigger, more important story at Michigan than Price Underwood year two. and how much is he going to improve maybe with some real coaching this year.

I want to see him throw under game situations. Or like any coaching. Any or any. They got some transfer receivers like Jamie French and JJ Buchanan. I want to see some chemistry going on there. I think we will see Savion Heider, who's an exciting running back. We'll probably get a lot of carries. But yeah, I'm disappointed.

It's not that they're doing it this way. I want to see more stars. I want to see where Michigan's at because I, I can gauge it with, you know, putting my eyeballs on it. I know the coaches have their own opinions, and they see these kids of practice every day. But, yeah, I'd like to see more of a game situation. If this were around the horn, I would have been ticking up for those takes.

There would have been a lot of upticks right there with how we wrap today's squad. Isaiah Hall locked on Wolverine, Zach Sacco, locked on Anthony Lions, Ryan Herringes, locked on Badgers, Craig Sheiman, locked on Big Ten, Mark Colkin, locked on USC. We had Roman Tom and Shoffel, locked on a lot of stuff. Huskies as well. I'm Spencer McLaughlin. Thank you for listening. We'll see you next time. And until then, hope you all have a wonderful rest of your day.