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Starting point is 00:00:37 Happy Thursday, everybody. Welcome to the Big Ten Squad. I'm your host Spencer McLaughlin. Matt Sheehan of Locked On Spartans is here. How about that all all it took to get him here was to talk about his team which will come later on Ryan herrings locked on badgers Jacob going locked on Hoosiers J. Stevens locked on Buckeyes amount of breath on you have to say this many names Roman Tomashoff locked on Huskies Mark Colkin locked on USC Zach Seiko locked on

Starting point is 00:00:59 Nittany Lions all here for this week on the big 10 squad so get ready to enjoy goings it was your coach with the big quote who threw the $40 million number around being spent. I mean, certainly he's not talking about Indiana, right? have good NIL funds, but we still have a basketball program, unlike many of you in this call. And so we put money towards the sport that we like to win. And we are putting more money towards football, but that $40 million money or Mark didn't really come from nowhere. It's not a fake number that he just came up with. It's because he knows what he's going up against. And I'm not complaining. I'm not going against it. He's just speaking facts and that's what Kurt Signetti does. Yeah, yeah, that is all he does. And all Indiana basketball did this year

Starting point is 00:01:50 was miss the tournament, but keep throwing shade at the Hoops programs that are represented here today. Yeah, all right, all right. I've heard that one before. You can do that, that's fine. Yeah. Let's get back to a nice clockwise order here. Sheehan, is there anything about $40 million that sounds insane to you?

Starting point is 00:02:12 Or I mean, Michigan State is, they're not broke up there in East Lansing, right? $40 million? She's clearly talking about the Spartans, right? Yeah, no, we own it $40 million in East Lansing. That is nothing up around these parts. No, it's the weird spot, because I feel kind of like Jacob right now. Like, Michigan State,

Starting point is 00:02:29 it's not like we're on the corner begging for change. Like, we're doing okay. Nick Marsh didn't come back for his sophomore year for no reason. It's not because he just loves crunchies and their burgers a lot. No, he's being taken care of. We got some guys being taken care of,

Starting point is 00:02:43 but man, 40 large ones. My goodness gracious, as if it wasn't hard enough to just try to win on the field. But in the off season with that kind of money, it just really feels like the hole's getting big for us guys. So we're trying our best, but yeah, I'll have to be scrounging around my couch cushions and looking for camp.

Starting point is 00:03:03 Why are we beating around the bush with this? Why are we it Oregon and Ohio State were the alleged teams? Why are we beating around the bush? I mean Penn State's not far off. Let's not let's not get crazy. They weren't included. It was it was Oregon, Ohio There's 39 million dollars I blame I blame our neutral arbiter of college football. Whoa, whoa, this is hurtful. He's like, $40 million, let's ask Michigan State. The RTA is wondering why the whole block is on fire right now.

Starting point is 00:03:36 I'm just trying to do a thorough investigation of where this money could be coming from. We're all trying to find the guy who's responsible for this. Spencer, can a guess in one hand matches in the other? Why is this house on fire right now? What's going on? Yeah, it's a... And hey, Jay Stevenson locked on Buckeyes says, what?

Starting point is 00:03:56 Yeah. Yeah, you poor people can't hang with me, he says. I'm not going to say yes or no. I'm going to say the NCAA is not governing anything. You're not following any rules. And so if it is true that there's $40 million, this is what happens when you let the people that have the money control things

Starting point is 00:04:13 going on in college football. Yeah, now I like Jay's take. That's a good one. Herring, you look like you're eager to weigh in here. Jeez, Spencer. Yeah, like I just- The entire left side of the screen is having a great time tonight. I know.

Starting point is 00:04:25 And that is the poor people on the right side. They're, hello. I'm kind of like, who cares? You tell me the rich people are spending rich people money? Of course they are. Like, this is like arguing in baseball that the Dodgers are spending money,

Starting point is 00:04:37 that the Yankees are rich. They always are. This is no different than it's ever been. It like, has the gap got bigger? Sure. Ohio State has always spent, outspent Wisconsin by $20 million in recruiting budgets, facilities, This is no different than it's ever been. Like, has the gap gone bigger? Sure. Ohio State has always outspent Wisconsin by $20 million in recruiting budgets, facilities, coaching salaries, all sorts of nonsense.

Starting point is 00:04:52 Like, this really isn't that crazy. The rich people spend money. That's how it is in every facet of American life. And honestly, you know, maybe some of us other schools should advocate more for our schools to spend more money to be competitive. Like there's this fallacy that you have to get mad at the bigger schools being trying to be as competitive as they can be. I wish Wisconsin would spend more to compete at the highest level. It's not an Ohio State, Oregon problem.

Starting point is 00:05:16 They're taking advantage of a free market system in the way they should. If Wisconsin was a Bluebird brand, I would want them to do the same doggone thing. So the rich people spend rich people money. It's how it works everywhere. Can I ask a question? Can I come in my first squad in like four months and hijack the show already? 100%. I'm going to allow that so that Roman doesn't have to speak.

Starting point is 00:05:37 What a generous man. Oh, wow. I'm going to drive a seatbelt. Oh! Quick question. Wow. So what number would shock you then? Oh, wow. So what number would shock you then a 40 million isn't the one where your eyes are popping out of your head like a cartoon dog.

Starting point is 00:05:50 What what is the number then? Well, why is that? Why take you back? Why? Why is it? Why stop at 40? I this I Brian, can I push back on what you're saying here? Because it where's the competitive balance at all? Because where's it ever been? No, where, or is it ever been? I mean, he has a good point. He has a good point. People have been spending money all for decades. No one knows how much Georgia, Florida, Florida state, Miami. Nobody knows how much money they spent in the seventies,

Starting point is 00:06:20 eighties, nineties, two thousands. No one knows because NIL wasn't a thing. All you knew was they were spending money. They're winning championships. That's, I mean, no one knows because NIL wasn't a thing. All you knew was they were spending money, they're winning championships. That's, I mean, I'm with Ryan on this one too. You see what happens when USC starts to play the game that Oregon and Miami have been playing. They've been laying in the weeds. Now they're saying, you know what?

Starting point is 00:06:36 We got rich people, watch us play. How's recruiting going up in Oregon right now compared to USC? Well, I heard from- It's a great question, but I'd love to hear more about this as well. Yeah. I heard from someone who covers, covers Oregon, which I definitely do not because I am neutral arbiter of all things. Yes. College football. It's been a slow stretch, but you know, I,

Starting point is 00:06:56 I heard from someone that Oregon's seven highest rate of recruits of last year's cycle had not committed on this date a year ago. So that's the, um, that's the positive spin. A year ago USC wasn't flashing their wallet. So that's the difference between last year and this year. So interesting. So now USC is back in the camp of like being all in with money and everything is okay. I hope I never hear anything from USC fans

Starting point is 00:07:20 about buying players and whatnot. Hope I never hear it. USC wanted to kind of get a feel, kind of see which direction the things were trending. They have a pretty good idea how the whole, you know, player compensation is going to work, the NIL cap, all that coming. So they said, all right, we watched, we figured it out.

Starting point is 00:07:40 This is the way it's going. We're all in now. So yeah, you're not going to hear from us ever again. We just you know, we kind of play chess with it. And now we're you see what happens when USC is the chess master. Yeah, a strategic rollback of the program for for two years. It was all four dimensional chess as sure they had to make sure the money was there. Yes, Los Angeles, notably lacking funds in the greater area. Roman, I know you love more than anything opining on financial matters in college sports. So go ahead. Well, I mean, so there are a whole bunch of things here where Jay does make a good point when it's yeah,

Starting point is 00:08:16 this is something that has always been going on. Spencer, by the way, that still doesn't mean you can buy a national championship. I know that that's not something that's happening in Oregon. So, you know, yeah, that's flat that land. Like it's just, no, you are no response because your team can't win national championships, no matter how much they're spending on the roster. Can't win in any sport ever or just, or just football.

Starting point is 00:08:41 Just the one that everybody seems to care about more than anything else. or just football? Just the one that everybody seems to care about more than anything else. Oh, wow. Basketball is a sport. Basketball is a sport. No, no, no, it doesn't count. It doesn't. It doesn't count. You see, it does. It's just fun to play. Yeah. Anyway, Roman. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, no, but it's something where like I look at from a Washington perspective where Washington has certainly found a way to get involved in the NIL game where flipping Oregon's top recruit and five star offensive tackle Cody Green going out and getting the number one player in the state of Washington four star address or Derek Colman, Bruce. They found ways to get involved in NIL on a regular basis. You don't go get the number one transporter with a quarterback in Ticario Davis if you don't have the money to throw around and invest in the trenches where we all know that the majority of this money is going to offensive line and defensive line outside of quarterbacks,

Starting point is 00:09:29 obviously. So it's one of those things where the more I look at it, the more I'm just curious to see when the salary cap gets involved. And we do put a cap on all this on how it's going to balance out from the Oregon's in the Ohio States to the no fancy in the Michigan states of the world and see how just those two things will even out the shot at she in there was so uncalled for giving me recently paying a head coach nine and a half million a year like oh man you guys you guys broke his hell up there in East Atlantic sorry to bring up money right now like goodness gracious I say go cap on this first, on this, on this first segment of the squad. So I guess that's how we're playing it is because everyone's fine with, well, if Ohio state, if Oregon, if it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, put whatever school, if it ends up being USC, oh, well they have 50 million to spend. They have 60 million to spend. Well, they have the money, so they might as well do it

Starting point is 00:10:32 Okay, then yeah, eventually you are going to be able to buy your way to a national title and I I might sound very what? Traditionalist I guess if I say that hmm I like the integrity of the of the sport the salary cap or anything like that The revenue sharing doesn't change any of this. This is strictly because of nil that the revenue sharing doesn't change any of this. This is strictly because of NIL. You have the 16 million or whatever that you can put towards from the revenue sharing towards football, and then you have unlimited NIL, and who's to say that, oh, okay,

Starting point is 00:10:56 you can't control the endorsements, or who's to say that you can't pay this player three, four, five, $6 million in NIL? And it's not like baseball because baseball has a more equal revenue share. All right, the schools aren't all sharing revenue. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What, what, what about, what about baseball is equal?

Starting point is 00:11:15 There is no salary cap in baseball. But I'm saying that teams have the money to spend. Not every school has money to spend the way that Ohio State and Oregon, fortunately for most of the teams in the conference, yeah, it's about 20, 25, $30 million. So you can, that's what Penn State's situation is. But my point is that, okay,

Starting point is 00:11:35 well, Major League Baseball has no salary cap. They can, but they all share revenue as a league. The big 10, aside from the media rights deal, isn't, Ohio State isn't sharing revenue with Washington. Oregon's not sharing revenue with Michigan State. Well, Yes he can. Please do.

Starting point is 00:11:50 We are not four. I want the rest of you to go. Okay, okay, okay. Sorry, I'm shopping. A number of interesting points. More coming on that note, Seiko. Do we need an NIL salary cap? That debate and more coming up next

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Starting point is 00:13:12 Okay, so Seiko on the the revenue sharing and you know, so that like there's no revenue share. If you go to the media rights contract actually, Northwestern is getting the same amount of money from the media deal as Ohio state. So in, in, in that regard, yes, the revenue that Ohio state and Michigan and others generate is getting shared with the rest of the conference. But they can't, it's not like they can use it. They can only use $16 million. I'm saying you have all the,

Starting point is 00:13:42 I think it's 20, but yeah. It's you can devote 16, it's a percentage because the other percentages have to go to men's basketball, women's basketball and whatever else. So I think every school is allowed to devote up to like 16.3. Don't quote me on that, but it's around that number. But Ohio State has all of these, like good for them.

Starting point is 00:14:01 That's fine. Since there are no rules, play the game. But I'm saying that, okay, well, let's compare it to Major League Baseball and this and that there's luxury taxes. Again, there's TV there, the media rights deals that the Major League Baseball teams have, they can use to putting together a good team. Northwestern can only use 16 around $17 million if they want to, which they should, they should choose to. But after that, there isn't this influx of uncontrollable cash where nobody says,

Starting point is 00:14:30 you can't do that, you can't spend this much because Ohio State, the only reason that they allegedly stop at 40 million is because that's what they, what I don't like about this is this college football is basically becoming, who can crowd fund the most? Who is the best at fundraising? And is that really how we wanna play this sport? I think it's a big component of it.

Starting point is 00:14:52 I don't know that it's entirely about it. Ask Texas or Oregon or Texas A&M or a lot of other schools that haven't won a national championship ever or within the last 15 years, whether or not it just takes money. I'm not saying money doesn't matter. Yeah. No, no. Do is have money to pay a good coach who can actually win games. You're,

Starting point is 00:15:10 you're referring to Jimbo Fisher who sucks and in Texas, who's rotated through coaches, but all it took was Ryan day, who I don't even think is all that good of a coach, but all he had to do was have the most expensive roster and he won a national championship. Okay. But that's not the first time he's had one of the most expensive rosters in college football. You're going to like anyone eventually.

Starting point is 00:15:29 Yeah, it keeps you there. Eventually, if you're hey, you're around if you have the best roster, best roster, best roster, eventually you're going to break through because try telling that to what Tulane is never going to be relevant. They try. They're good. They're a top 25 team, but they're never going to see this. How is Tulane supposed to compete with Ohio State? If they get in, say they get into the 12 team playoff, sneak in as a 12 seat or something like

Starting point is 00:15:52 that. And then it's there. It's the, it's the $45 million roster against Tulane's 17, $18 million team. How are they, how are they ever going to compete against Ohio State? They weren't doing that in 2000. They weren't doing that in 1990. They weren't doing that in 1980. They never be able to. They never have. When good. When could Tulane in particular ever beat a big brand program in a major bowl game?

Starting point is 00:16:17 When could it ever happen? I thought it was fair to bring it up. It's a very good point. Hey, Mark. Despite the shot there, was fair to bring it up. This is why Tulane probably is not going to be part of this conversation when college football makes this shift that they're going towards. You're going to have a league of 68, whatever, 60 teams. Tulane is not going to be part of this conversation. So who really cares? It's not like, you know, Appalachian State

Starting point is 00:16:48 isn't gonna roll into Michigan and beat Michigan someday. Those games are gone. This is the last, we're seeing the last three bad games. I'm sorry? That's more or less my point is that it's going to be the same 12 teams every single season. We're talking about all these numbers. Once this monumental ship that we're going through

Starting point is 00:17:07 finally comes to fruition, there's going to be a commissioner. All these NIL deals that we're all upset about, there's actually going to be a clearinghouse for them. You've got to prove that somebody's making $4 million for a reason. Can't just write the check anymore. At some point, yeah, I mean, we could get there.

Starting point is 00:17:27 There is a committee or an effort being made by the federal government right now to look into all these sorts of things to see how it could all break down. I keep running the money ball scene through my head, which is kind of my entire life, frankly. There are rich teams and then there are poor teams. And then there's 50 feet of crap. And then there's us.

Starting point is 00:17:46 Speaking of the us, Jacob Goens locked on Hoosiers. In this new world, where, where, Oh, not true, but go ahead. Yeah, yeah, no. Whether or not it's true is irrelevant to the punchline of the joke. That's just not, it's not in any way relevant there.

Starting point is 00:18:01 Go ahead. Go ahead. If you look at the prospect of this new world, would you want to see a salary cap on NIL? And by the way, this may surprise some people. I would 100% support it because I am a big baseball fan and I don't begrudge the Dodgers for doing what they're doing. I begrudge the system that allows them to do that. Because if my team were in that position, which they're not, because the Mariners owner

Starting point is 00:18:27 is a cheap ass, I would want my team to act that same way. Go all in. But I do think that for the betterment of the sport, having a cap there can be a good thing. That's the way I see it. Yeah, absolutely. And there just needs to be, I mean, the NFL has it. That's why there's a good healthy rotation of teams in the playoffs. There's a good healthy rotation of teams that make a run. Sure. There are some that dominate because you have the greatest of all time on your team. Okay, good. Good for you. But there needs to be some sort of a cap. Yes. And it doesn't have to be just the one flat rate that everybody has to follow, but there could

Starting point is 00:19:05 be a little flexibility, I guess, but not a whole lot. And baseball is an example of you could spend the most, but you do have to have a good coach and good players with talent to actually win. The Yankees haven't won a World Series in a long time, people. They spend a lot of money. So I see both sides. But yes, there needs to be a cap. There needs to be a gold number.

Starting point is 00:19:26 If you can reach it, great. If not, then that's something you got to figure out within your own program. The happiest moments of this show for Roman have been bringing up his two biggest rivals, not winning championships. Roman is just sitting there like, yeah, that's right, you guys can do that.

Starting point is 00:19:40 Yeah, forget what my teams did. You guys didn't do it. Spencer, you like you like to deflect like Washington has one more New Year's six games in the last, what, 10, 15 years? What does that even mean anymore, man? New Year's. You know what? That's a fair point. I mean, you know, honestly, I mean, too. Yeah, I mean, it is what it is.

Starting point is 00:20:00 Oregon and Ohio State are never going to take a step back from natural attrition. Doesn't matter anymore. Crazy. Oregon and Ohio State are never going to take a step back from natural attrition Crazy that all the stuff that helped college football elevate itself to the status. No, no that matters in part. Pardon me. I'm sorry Please that haven't been to the Rose Bowl since 1967 have the audacity to make those types of comments that that says something about today's society how they view things. Sorry. That anybody could leap forward and have a chance if they just commit and make the right decision I don't think that's entirely bad.

Starting point is 00:20:40 He pretty much discounted it. New Year's Day bowls don't matter anymore. They don't. If you're not in the playoff, you're out of the playoff. It's either make the playoff or you're... Well, the New Year's Six bowls are the playoff games. Yeah, but it used to be... That's not my point.

Starting point is 00:20:55 Those semifinal games are gonna be played around that time or the quarterfinals on New Year's Day. They don't matter. Is that your argument, Jacob? No, the fact of the matter is it used to be you're either in the national championship, you make a new year six bowl or you make any other bowl game. Now you either make the college football playoff or you don't. Nobody considers it a new year six bowl. That's an old term. That's a decade old term that doesn't mean anything anymore. There's either in the playoff or you're out. If anything, the 12 to 14 opportunities kind of cheapens the playoff thing because are there really 14 teams worthy? No. Championship. Now, look at that. Mark and I agree on something again.

Starting point is 00:21:32 Playoff expansion was a waste of time. But again, if you're not if you're not in if you're not in, you're out. Nobody cares about making the pop tart bowl. Nobody cares about making the cheese. Whoa. I don't know. I would absolutely. I don't know about that. I would absolutely.

Starting point is 00:21:46 What's your problem? What's your issue? Cohen's is just on a bender here. And I'm not saying that about India. I'm saying that across college football. It's seen as a non-successful season if you don't make a playoff, especially if it gets expanded.

Starting point is 00:22:00 If it gets expanded. I'm not thrilled to go to the first responders bowl or the turtle beach bowl. Okay, okay, okay. I'm starving for any bowl game over here, man. You don't tell me that all the Pop Tarts bowl doesn't matter. Jacob, of all the bowl games you could have listed as no one cares about going to these anymore, how did you go to the Pop Tarts bowl first?

Starting point is 00:22:21 That's like the best opportunity if you're not in the playoff. That's the game best opportunity. If you're not in the playoffs, that's the game everyone would want to go to. If you're going to go to the Pop Tarts bowl, if my team's not in the playoff, you're damn right. I want to go to the Pop Tarts bowl. I'm attending that game in person. You're disappointed because you're not in the playoff. Well, sure. The team starts the year with playoff aspirations. That's kind of sweet to say if you don't get the playoffs, there's 134 teams in college football. Only 12 can end the year where they're the the the

Starting point is 00:22:50 the the the the the the the the the Yeah, Jay, real quick, your thoughts on the Pop Tarts Bowl before we take a pause?

Starting point is 00:23:06 I want nothing to do with the Pop Tarts Bowl. No! Look at this guy, just raining on everybody's fun college football parade because the Pop Tarts Bowl has quickly become an institution with a mascot so iconic, it transcends the sport. It goes beyond what should be considered fun and enjoyable. That's my stance on the Pop Tarts. Goins out here just slandering an American institution. All right, well.

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Starting point is 00:24:49 All right, she in, we promised and we will deliver upon that promise. All eight of us here in the chat have to take a stand on Michigan state over under five and a half wins. So Matt, you, you get to go first. Is Aiden childs leading Jonathan Smith to the promised land? I think the floor has been raised on paper this year. Now let me be very clear. When I say over five and a half wins, I'm not saying that we are just gonna skip our way

Starting point is 00:25:14 to Pasadena and we are back in those illustrious bowl games that we were talking about earlier. No, no, no, I think it's gonna be seven and five. But for the first time in three years, yes, I do think Michigan State can get to a bowl game. The schedule sets up a little friendlier than it did last year. And also you're 200 Jonathan Smith. Everyone knows the system. I think there will be a little bit of a floor raised. You guys want the half hour version of that answer tune in locked on Spartans. Your team. But I'll let you guys talk about this. Thanks

Starting point is 00:25:43 man. I'm just trying to be like you guys, you know? Yeah. Herrings, your Wisconsin Badgers do not face Michigan State this year. How much does that elate you, worry you that you don't have a win? Like, your take? It makes me sad,

Starting point is 00:26:00 because that means she had and I don't have a crossover. I did a podcast with him the other day, like when we did a basketball, and my dad was like, he's the favorite guy on lock. He's my favorite guy locked on badgers. Like to say that. So I like the crossovers, but I'm taking the over as well. I think Smith's a real coach. You look at what he's done is track, you know, his track record. There are places that aren't difficult to win in, or that are hard to win in. I mean, over five and a half, you look at, there's a theory I have, they go to, you know, the Penn State, Michigan at home, your two toughest games are probably at home. They could potentially split that.

Starting point is 00:26:37 I think they get six or seven wins. I trust the coach. I think Childs is better in the second year here with that coach and that office coordinator as well. I'm going six or seven. I'm taking the over. Let's go. Sparty sick. You hear that? Herring's has got you on upset alert traveling to East Lansing. Lansing. You just gonna you just gonna let him let him spew that sort of stuff. No, I actually want to look at the schedule and have a nuance take on this. So this is the Big Ten squad nuance is not encouraged. take on this. So this is the big 10 squad nuance is not encouraged.

Starting point is 00:27:07 We appreciate it though. Western Michigan, Youngstown state, UCLA, Maryland. I don't know that they're beating Boston college. They're certainly not beating Indiana, Michigan, Penn state, Minnesota's maybe a toss up. They're not beating USC. They're not beating Nebraska. Where are your, where are your six wins coming from? I counted Boston college and most of the other one he gave us a toss up right there was that Minnesota toss up Minnesota. So I think Western Boston college Youngstown and then UCLA. I don't hate that one. And then Minnesota. And then we end at Ford field storied Michigan state campus landmark, Ford Field, time of the season.

Starting point is 00:27:45 That's six right there, baby. So, we got to house money after those games right there. Those are airtight. That's an airtight line. UCLA got mentioned, Nico, she would restart the whole show and just go back. Oh, no. Oh, wow, shoot.

Starting point is 00:27:59 Oh, yeah. You clearly don't watch lockdown college football. Dang. Goins, five and a half Spartans over under go. Look, I'm gonna take them to win their first three. I'm gonna take them to go on the road and easily beat USC because you know, Nebraska probably not,

Starting point is 00:28:15 they probably won't take down Nebraska. They have a chance against UCLA at home. I'm curious on what UCLA looks like at that point. They're not coming to Bloomington and winning. They might beat Michigan at home because I don't trust Michigan more than I trust Michigan State. So maybe upset alert there down the stretch. She and I'll give you guys the win at Minnesota.

Starting point is 00:28:34 Say, Colby, I'll do it. I will do it for you, my friend, for you. Wow. They may lose out at that point, but hey, you're already on track. Don't say that. Well, no, no, no. You're going to lose out? Jacob, they closed with Maryland.

Starting point is 00:28:46 Yeah, Maryland at Court Field. I'm just saying, I don't believe in Maryland but I'm not sold on Michigan State either. I don't know. I'll take the over but it will be frisky down the track. But that would crush me. If they lose to end the season at Maryland with the bowl game on the line, you'll never see me again. Like I'll just become a new person

Starting point is 00:29:02 with a new career somewhere in DePaul. I'll be a Sherpa Guiding people to Mount Everest for my new lifestyle Other than October 18th, I'm cheering for you my friend. I am I'm cheering this is the nicest group of people I've ever come by my entire life. Don't worry. There's more to go She and before I get to Jay Stevens was the name of that kicker who did the the wheel the wheeling celebration One that Michael Geiger. Yeah Michael Geiger. Yeah, so Jay before you make your pick let the spirit of Michael Geiger move through you Just like he moved that ball through the uprights

Starting point is 00:29:40 Forget that guy. Um, I'm going with the over I'm going with the over. First three games should be wins. Beating Maryland should be easy. Beating UCLA should be easy. That's five. If you mean to tell me that what the rest of the games Michigan State has, they can't get one more win. I would think you're crazy.

Starting point is 00:29:56 I absolutely think they can do it. I believe this is the right direction. I might lose my mind if Michigan State beats Michigan this year. I need that bad because for some reason you need it. Yeah, because you've had so few things to root for in the last six months. You guys have just been down bad. Miserable in Columbus. Yeah, it's misery for Ohio State fans.

Starting point is 00:30:23 So yeah, I'm empathizing with you there big time. Big time. J. Roman, the Michigan State Washington connection is an interesting one because this is the program that really catapulted Washington into the national scene a couple of years ago in the greatest trapline that I can ever remember. Washington against number 11 Michigan State in Seattle and Washington's favored by three and a half. And that was when I first learned that Vegas is never wrong. Oh, that was that was a wonderful game. So she and thank you for that. I will take the

Starting point is 00:30:54 over strictly based on that. I think Jay made a lot of really great points when it comes to some of these big 10 games, UCLA, Minnesota, Maryland. I have those all chalked up as wins plus the out of conference stuff. So right there, you got your six Spencer. It's just great. You want to come back to me after you just totally glossed over, you know, my, my take on an NIL salary cap in the previous segment,

Starting point is 00:31:14 even though, you know, Jay gets to make a point about how great it is if Michigan state beats Michigan. But when I talk about Oregon losing, that's, that's the light on this show from the neutral Arboretum college football we We have lines in the sand have to be drawn. So absolutely not. She had love you buddy. I got the over. I would have I love all you guys. Roman. I would have called on you. That's all I'm saying. I would have, I would have given you your time.

Starting point is 00:31:38 Can I, can I stop really quick? I just want to make the Vegas is never like the seventh time today. Yeah, go ahead she It's a low number for me today. I'm still working my way back into these squad shows here I'll get to double digits next time but just speaking of Vegas like all they're never wrong I love what I'm hearing in this year about oh my god, Michigan State's gonna go over from all you find strapping gentlemen out there But the other year is telling me. Oh boy. You guys are suckers. This means one thing three and I nine coming down the barrel to East Lansing. So Mark, do you want to cut against the grain here by any chance?

Starting point is 00:32:11 Save the graphic, Mark, save the graphic. How's this gonna go? So I got Michigan State going, they're coming to LA three and O. By the time they get to Bloomington, Indiana, let's say they're going to be four and two Okay, it's a Michigan at five and two. Okay another win after that. They're going over. This is great I also hate this but I love this. This is awesome. I know it's the way am I supposed to be confident about my team?

Starting point is 00:32:38 Am I supposed to stake my emotional well-being in the success of a bunch of 18 to 22 year olds? my emotional well-being in the success of a bunch of 18 to 22 year olds. Am I supposed to do it? MSU 21, triple overtime at Ford Field. By the way. Five and seven is going to get handed to the chest. Every four years or so, Jonathan Smith will assemble a roster that is able to do something. This might be his time right now.

Starting point is 00:33:00 Why not now? Why not? Aidan Childs, third year of college football, second year starting. Sheena, I would love to be saved the graphics guy, but here's the problem that I'm running into. I agree with Mark, they start 3-0. I think they beat UCLA at home. I think they beat Maryland,

Starting point is 00:33:16 because they're a better team. That's five wins right there that I'm almost ready to put in Sharpie. So you're telling me they have to win one of Minnesota, who everybody's overlooking here, Nebraska, which is on the road, USC, at Iowa. I actually think there's real value here on Michigan State over five and a half.

Starting point is 00:33:39 So when Sheehan is emotionally crushed come November 29th, when they lose to Maryland to go 5-7, and we never see him again. We'll all know that it was our fault we will be liable in a civil court for the emotional damage inflicted. I'm just mad this wasn't a basketball conversation. Over five and a half wins in basketball, Sheehan. No, I'm just kidding.

Starting point is 00:34:00 I'm mad it wasn't basketball. He just won the conference championship! What are you talking about? Hey, new season, man. Goins taking the basketball shots after coming up just short of the tournament. New season. Hey, we were robbed for what it's worth. That's fair. That is fair. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:14 Well, we missed it and we fired our coach and it's a new era. We're fine. Yeah, exactly. All right. We can wrap the squad right there. I hope we get eight guys again every week. Matt Sheehan locked on Spartans. Ryan Herring's locked on Badgers, Ryan Herring locked on Badgers, Zach Seiko locked on Netany Lions, Jacob Goins locked on Hoosiers,

Starting point is 00:34:28 Jay Stevens locked on Buckeyes, Roman Tomashoff locked on Huskies, Mark Kolkin locked on USC with a Rose Bowl shirt from the 18th century. I'm Spencer McLaughlin of Locked On Whatever. That's this week on the Big Ten Squad. We'll see you next time. Thanks for listening. Until then, hope you have a wonderful rest of your day.

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