Locked On Hawkeyes - Daily Podcast On Iowa Hawkeyes Football & Basketball - Iowa Hawkeyes' Payton Sanford shines in comeback victory & Scott Dochterman Joins the show

Episode Date: February 23, 2025

Can the Iowa Hawkeyes men's basketball team overcome their attendance woes and coaching challenges? With the College Football Playoff and NCAA basketball tournament expansions on the horizon, the land...scape of college sports is shifting dramatically.Join host Trent Condon and guest Scott Dochterman from The Athletic as they explore the Iowa Hawkeyes' recent performance, spotlighting key players like Payton Sanford and Riley Mulvey. They discuss the potential impact of expanding playoffs on Iowa's future, the complexities of Big Ten Friday night football games, and the pressing issues facing Iowa's men's basketball program.With insights from Dochterman, this episode offers a comprehensive look at the evolving dynamics of college athletics.Tune in for an engaging analysis of the Iowa Hawkeyes' path forward and discover what lies ahead for the team.Follow Trent Condon on X: https://twitter.com/trentcondonLISTEN TO THE PODCAST: APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/locked-on-hawkeyes-daily-podcast-on-iowa-hawkeyes-football/id1441592240SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/0GTyz5ygevcGXdTF6QSoEoYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/LockedOnHawkeyesSupport Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!PrizePicksDownload the app and use code lockedonnfl to win $50 instantly when you play $5. You don't even need to win to receive your $50 bonus, it's guaranteed! Prizepicks. Run Your Game.Click Here: https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/LOCKEDONCOLLEGEFabricJoin the thousands of parents who trust Fabric to help protect their families. Apply today in just minutes at MEETFABRIC.com/LOCKEDONCOLLEGE.Policies issued by Western-Southern Life Assurance Company. Not available in certain states. Prices subject to underwriting and health questions. ROYDownload the Roy app now from the App Store and start backing your favorite athletes the way they deserve—with transparency, trust, and a real impact. This is the future of college sports. Join it now by downloading Roy and supporting your favorite players!FanDuelRight now, new FanDuel customers can get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in Bonus Bets if your first FIVE DOLLAR bet wins!Download the app or head to FANDUEL.COM to get started. Bet with FanDuel—Official Partner of the NBA.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN)

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Riley Mulvey and Evan Bronzele to come back against Washington. Yeah, that's where we are. This year's Iowa men's basketball team. We break it down today. Plus talk with Scott Dockerman, Locked On Hawkeyes, your daily podcast on the Iowa Hawkeyes. Part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. Hey, welcome in. I'm Trent Condon and this is the Locked On Hawkeyes podcast. Thanks for making Locked On Hawkeyes your first listen every day. We're available wherever you find
Starting point is 00:00:40 podcasts. You can also watch us on YouTube. While you're there, hit the subscribe button. Just takes a moment and helps us get in front of more Hawkeye fans today's episode of lockdown Hawk guys is brought to you by fan dual sportsbook great time to get in on all the action footballs in the Rio Vermeer but we got a ton of basketball and right now new fan duel customers can get $150 in bonus bets if your first $5 bet wins. Iowa wins against Washington in comeback fashion down nine in the second half the Hawkeyes come roaring back and get the victory over Washington. It's the game we talked about going in an absolute
Starting point is 00:01:20 necessity if Iowa was going to be making the Big Ten tournament this is one that they had to put in the win column, and they do just that coming back and getting the win 85-79. Some heroics in the second half. You start with Peyton Samford, and we talked about it after the devastation, the loss on Oregon. You could see it on his face. You could see the tears coming out of his eyes, the frustration knowing that he came back for a senior year that he anticipated was going to be a lot different. And I think all of us thought this one was going to be different.
Starting point is 00:01:54 We could argue if they thought they were going to be an NCAA team, but I thought they were wrong on that account. However, I thought they would at minimum be a bubble team, right? They'd be a team at this point in the season. We'd still be talking about a realistic path for them to be an NCAA tournament team. And with what's in front of them in the final four games, I guess you could look at it. If you're one of the positive types, right? If you're one of the people that looks at things maybe in a better light than I normally do, you say, look, they got four opportunities in front of them. All four of these games would be huge resume building wins. You see Illinois, they get absolutely demolished on Saturday night against Duke at Madison Square Garden. Duke's great, but this Illinois team, when they're bad, they're really bad. It's a house
Starting point is 00:02:38 of whores, but who knows? Maybe it's another one of those crappy performances from Illinois. You go to Northwestern, that's banged up. You get Michigan State at home. You finish up in Nebraska. All those games are difficult. However, Peyton Sanford goes off, Josh Dix goes off. We've seen it before. Now you're still talking about a minimum winning three out of four in order to make that happen.
Starting point is 00:02:59 I think it's more realistic as opposed to winning three out of four that Iowa loses all four of these games. But again, the positive light is there, but you had to win this game. That is the start of things. Now, I believe Iowa probably has to get one more victory at minimum to secure their spot in the Big Ten tournament, as we've talked about. Three teams are not going to make it. It'll be just the top 15 out of the 18 team league that will get there. I mentioned though, back to Peyton Samper. We've got to get back to his play. And there was a couple of moments where shots were a little bit off. This dude's out there though, plays all 40 minutes of the game. 27 points,
Starting point is 00:03:34 nine rebounds, couple of assists at a game where Iowa had to go deep into the bench. Traore gave them absolutely nothing. Drew Thelwell continues to be lame with that ankle injury. You could just see physically he's not there. Josh Dix finished with 15. Again, need to see him more aggressive. Just 10 shots and the way this team is constructed, you need more. But it was the bench play from Carter Kingsbury. Not only hitting a three pointer, that was great, but the defense that he was playing and giving up so much size and strength inside. And he was battling in there against those Washington Bigs. Obviously, Evan Bronze, who had a great game the game
Starting point is 00:04:15 previous against Oregon, he was there at a nice and one and a big bucket for Iowa in the game in there mixing it up, playing defense. You had Riley Mulvey and the reverse layup will be remembered for a long time. Hopefully it does not go the the way of the John Licklider bucket against Purdue, and I don't think it will. But that reverse layup and what Dick's through in the past in a way you can almost see, oh boy, Dick's thinking of it as he's going reverse style, but he finished it off smile on his face taking the charge It is a great moment for Riley Mulvey This is not going to be one a season that we're gonna be bouncing our grandkids on her knees talking about right?
Starting point is 00:04:55 That's not what this is going to be. It's been a disappointing year and Likely a frustrating end to the Freyja McCaffrey era But those little moments and the moments like that, Riley Mulvey has busted his butt for this program for the last three years. And the development has not been at the level that I'm sure a lot of people wanted to see. Coaching staff, fans, maybe even Riley himself. But he didn't pout. He's out there, he's engaged, he's into the game. Knowing that most nights he's not going to be out there.
Starting point is 00:05:30 But he's a great teammate. And to have those kind of moments was wonderful to see. It really was. And something that makes you happy. Certainly as a Hawkeye fan to see those kind of moments. Overall, a game that was a must win. Washington's not good. You know, there was a couple of stretches in that game where you could just see this was two below average basketball teams going up against each other, right? But Iowa comes
Starting point is 00:05:56 back and it was a good crowd on hand, at least sounded like a good crowd. Here's one thing I want to leave you with. And we're going to be talking with Scott Dockerman. We've got a lot of Iowa football to get into. The Big Ten as a whole. He was down in New Orleans for the meetings with the SEC and the Big Ten, so he's got a lot of great insight to that. We'll talk some basketball as well, but plenty of football talk coming up here momentarily with Scott Dockerman of the athletic. I want to leave you with this though. We went to the final four games. Iowa, well, they'll be on the road for three of them.
Starting point is 00:06:29 There's one game left at home against Michigan State. So here comes Tom Izzo. He's got another good team this year, no surprise. Iowa's had some recent success against Michigan State. And as we sit and ponder and wonder and speculate about what is going to happen at the end of the season, is Framon Caffrey going to retire? Is he going to be pushed out? Are they going to give him another season? Is there going to be caveats that there needs to be changes in the staff,
Starting point is 00:06:54 whatever it turns out to be, regardless one way or the other, there is a very real possibility though that this is Framon Caffrey's last game as the head coach of Iowa, at least for the regular season at Carver Hawkeye Arena. And if that's the case, can we get a good crowd on hand? I'll put my money where my mouth is. I got two tickets to the game, I'm taking my son. He went as a little kid before, but first time that he is really engaged in Iowa basketball.
Starting point is 00:07:19 He's five and a half years old. He loves the Hawks. He tells me every game that the Hawkeyes are the bestest and I'm gonna break him. And it's just to be me and him going to be a boys trip over to Iowa City. We're going to make our way over. We're going to go carve. We're going to make it happen and we're going to go watch the Hawkeyes play and maybe it'll be friends last game. Maybe it won't, but it'll be Peyton Sanford's last game. And for what this guy has done and the will that he has put into the program, the tears
Starting point is 00:07:45 that he shed, the blood that he's gone into it, this guy cares. Let's fill it up for an Iowan. Let's fill it up for a good dude. Let's be there, all his Hawkeye fans. And let's make this a good environment for Michigan State. And if Iowa gets blown out, so what? Have a Carver cone. Enjoy one final time at Carver this season watching this men's team and maybe the final game for Freyja McAfee.
Starting point is 00:08:08 That's a Hawkeye, let's all do this together. It's my plea to you, get tickets cheap. Get in there, support the team one final time here as we'll flip the calendar into March. Couple of games before that, but needed this one and a tip of the ball cap. Comeback looked like they were left for dead a couple of different times and everybody stepped up in a way everybody gave them minutes everybody gave them an opportunity to come back in this game and get it done
Starting point is 00:08:36 and love to see that the bench minutes that they got from Mulvey from bronze price Sanford had a couple of shots in there mentioned Kingsention Kingsbury playing 29 minutes. That's where we are. 29 minutes from Carter Kingsbury, a walk on. Riley Mulvey played 15, 10 out of Evan Bronze, and they got out of victory in the Big Ten against Danny Sprinkle. What a name. And the Washington Huskies. Scott Dockerman talking Iowa football, Big Ten football, and a little basketball as well. Plus a big weekend coming up at Carver Hawkeye Arena How about the Sunday that we have in front of this starting with the women's game against top five UCLA? And then the nightcap on the wrestling mat with Oklahoma State in town should be a good one
Starting point is 00:09:16 We'll talk about that as we continue locked on Hawkeyes today's episode of lockdown Hawkeyes is brought to you by fan dual sportsbook when the game tips off the NBA action is just getting started and there's no better place to get in on it than at fan dual America's number one sportsbook with fam dual you place live bets throughout the game so even if you miss the opening tip off or just want to bet on a fourth quarter comeback you can stay in the action and if you're looking for a bigger payout you can combine your live bets into a same game parlay I live love using fan duals live betting feature because keeps every moment more exciting about that comeback for the Hawkeyes You could jump aboard get some good plus money on that one in the game on Saturday Plus the app is super easy to use when you win win, you get paid instantly. Right now, new FanDuel customers can get $150 in bonus bets if your
Starting point is 00:10:11 first $5 bet wins. Just visit FanDuel.com to join today. That's FanDuel.com for your shot at $150 in bonus bets. Make every moment more with FanDuel, the official sports betting partner of the NBA. Scott Dockerman normally joins us on a weekly basis on a Monday, but he had travels, not vacation travels. No, it was work travels down in New Orleans and Doc normally here. Oh boy, rough work trip, right? Got to go to New Orleans and chase things down. But it wasn't New Orleans as we normally think it. You had some cold weather down there. Yeah, that was really unfortunate. I know people don't want to hear about it, but I
Starting point is 00:10:58 know walking to the airport when I was on Tuesday morning and it was, you know, in Cedar Rapids and it was minus 10 and the windshield was minus 25. I'm like, sweet, I'm going to New Orleans. Well, it rained the first day. The second day I was indoors working and the third day before I left, it was like 30 and windshield of 18. I'm like, ah, you know, everybody there was blaming me for bringing it down. So I guess we'll win some or lose some or lose some pretty much the trip there. Well, the trip there was about maybe very important part of what we're going to see going forward with college athletics that can fit and continued putting together of
Starting point is 00:11:38 the SEC in the big 10, seeing if they can find common ground and more than anything, the control control that they exert right now in college football and the structure of what this thing's going to look like with the college football playoffs. So let's start kind of the headline item, the college football playoff. I think that's where most people's kind of minds are going with this, what you learn and what you anticipate after these meetings, what the college football playoff is going to look like starting after this
Starting point is 00:12:04 next season? Yeah, there, you know, they, there was no official word as to how it's gonna come down except for we know that it's almost certainly it's going to expand. And part of that is after this year, the Big Ten and SEC pretty much run the show afterwards. It doesn't have to be a consensus. It's pretty much those two taking control of
Starting point is 00:12:30 it and everybody else going for the ride. And I think you're gonna see it 14 or 16 teams and there are some people who do want it to be 16. They figure why go to 14. Let's just rip off the band- and go to 16, which, um, you know, it could be the case. And then I think you're going to see, um, you know, qual, uh, certain amount of qualifiers probably, and they wrote a four per week at the big 10 and, and SEC levels. And then, you know, whatever they decide or what gets decided at the ACC and big 12 and, and so forth down the road. And so that to me is probably what is going to happen. It wasn't as, the future wasn't as discussed as much as the house settlement, certainly,
Starting point is 00:13:14 or the situation with this year coming up. They do want some changes when it comes to seeding. I don't know that they'll get it because they have to have a unanimous consent as opposed to what happens in 26. So I think going forward, you're going to see an expanded playoff in 2026 with guaranteed spots for the Big Ten and SEC, probably a neighborhood of four each. And that could, you know, so we could be away a year away from high level football games continuing. So doc the reason as I was reading through this proposal and what it's going to look like
Starting point is 00:13:52 14 16 teams regardless the thing that I think bothers me the most is the automatic bids the four for the SEC and the big ten and not that they get the automatic bids in a certain way but How it's going to diminish what non-conference scheduling looks like, what the games actually matter on the field. If it's all just about finishing in the top four or even top six and then getting a potential path to get to the playoff, non-conference scheduling, non-conference games, DIY with state game will never mean anything really in the grand scheme of things. Again, that really bothers me
Starting point is 00:14:27 I don't think that's the case trend I think it's gonna be based on what you do in your conference not what you do out of your So that's what i'm saying though If that's the case, it doesn't matter who wins iowa iowa state because all that matters is what you do in your conference To get to the playoff sure, but I think Uh to the fans, sure. But I think to the fans, it matters. And you're talking about the difference in most years between the nine and three or eight and four season or seven and five or whatever.
Starting point is 00:14:52 I think that those games still are important. They're going to be important to the seeding of the games. But I think in some ways, you're going to see this be much better because instead of worrying about, well, I can't schedule that opponent because we might not have it. It's a coin flip game and we might not be able to go to the playoff because of it. Now you're going to play that game because it's like with college basketball to some extent. And you're actually going to get a chance to play a game that the people are interested in that will watch that won't crush you. So, you know, the example I use because the big 10 and SEC are considering, you know, I don't know that Nebraska and Tennessee will be playing each other anytime soon, but, but,
Starting point is 00:15:35 but beyond them, you know, some sort of a sharing agreement or playing agreement is what if Iowa and South Carolina play and they're both seven and two in their leagues and they play, it's a coin flip game, one way or the other. They play in Charlotte, they play in Chicago, whatever. And the team that loses now could be on the outside looking in. So why would they want to play that game? But instead, if they play that game and then the result doesn't matter,, that's good for everybody. You get to see better games. Otherwise, they're going to be scheduling a Mercer or or, you know, Eastern Illinois or whatever, you know, because those games don't matter. So I think it's I look
Starting point is 00:16:17 at the other side of the point, Trent. And from an Iowa perspective, this is a great thing, though. This is a great thing knowing that there's years that you just look up and say, how in the world in an 18 team league, how is Iowa gonna be able to finish in the top two just to get into a championship game? Well, now, if it plays out where you got the top two teams playing for a championship, three seed versus six seed,
Starting point is 00:16:39 a four versus a five, Iowa would have had a path last year to a playoff. And we know that wasn't your typical playoff team? Certainly a year ago for Iowa football. I think this is a great thing. For sure. I think it's, it's really interesting because it gives more teams the opportunity to have relevant seasons. And I, you bring up Iowa from last year, I don't think anybody would suggest that they looked the part of a playoff team, but still they would have qualified with a six and three record in the big 10. They would have played Indiana, which would have been the three. Had they
Starting point is 00:17:15 beaten Indiana, then they would have qualified for the playoff. They would have played their way in. And I think that's, you know, rather than what we saw, which was a 54 yard field goal against Iowa state almost completely drop them out and then losing to Ohio state on the road. It left him with basically a miracle to try to get into the playoffs. In this case, they have a chance to continue to play there's all the way through the end of the season for an opportunity to get that number six seed and play. And then in the SEC, there's discussions of going eight deep.
Starting point is 00:17:46 So it's gonna be a really fascinating discussion as to how that all weighs out, but it's an extra round of conference football. And it'll be right now that it looks like the first weekend of December, if that goes through. And it's hard to say if that's gonna be on campus or if they decide let's just have one big weekend in Indianapolis or another neutral site. So it, but it's speculative, but I think it's really fun and to entertain the prospect. Let's go to another avenue from the
Starting point is 00:18:17 college football playoff to the NCAA tournament. Obviously the biggest moneymaker for the NCAA. We know the amount of revenue that that creates and football is a different animal and the way the NCAA structure works. What about the possible expansion? Was that brought up? Was that on the table? And I think with these mega leagues, something probably the Big Ten and the SEC both want, right?
Starting point is 00:18:40 More access for the bigger leagues and even if it's a play-in round, an extra round of that, four eight games are we heading down the path of a bigger NCAA tournament? Well that that was not brought up but it is very likely it's going to be either 72 or 76 and it's been discussed both ways I think most fans it's kind of funny don't want any kind of expansion when it comes the NCAA tournament but I think you're gonna get it and it's kind of funny, don't want any kind of expansion when it comes to the NCAA tournament, but I think you're going to get it. And it's just a matter of it's going to be four or eight teams more. But no, basketball unfortunately was not discussed down there.
Starting point is 00:19:14 And in the past, they have their first summit, they did discuss chances for maybe replacing some of the early exempt tournaments that these teams go to and like say the Cayman Islands or Cancun or whatever, and instead doing something more on the mainland against one another where they get to keep the revenues instead of farming it out. I think that's something that you could see in the future between the Big Ten and SEC,
Starting point is 00:19:41 but they were really concentrating on the two main areas which were the CFP, which was more interesting than the house settlement, which people don't really want to hear about, but it's very, very important. It's the important part, but let's explain it, the house settlement part. And there's, we're still trying to figure out just the way this is going to look. So I'll kind of take us into that avenue. It's not the most exciting, but like you said, Doc,
Starting point is 00:20:05 it's incredibly important for the future of college athletics. Yeah, it's the most important thing because we are talking about the ability for athletic departments to share revenue with their athletes and how much. And we're about six weeks away from the actual settlement being a fit, you know, finally
Starting point is 00:20:27 approved and there will be additional appeals and lawsuits being filed. That's definitely going to happen. But beyond that, I mean, they're all the 80s and the league officials were kind of trying to figure out ways to make it work. Now they stopped short in a lot of areas because of collusion. They can't like say, hey, let's everybody agree to 70% for football. No, you do that and you're back in court. So they had to be very careful in what they discussed, but largely how they get to generate
Starting point is 00:21:01 that revenue, which is why I think the Big Ten is looking into private equity and some other ways. It is a fascinating development out of this. And so 20.5 million is what it's looking like for this fall. Iowa's gonna pay it. I talked to Illinois, they're gonna pay it. Most schools in the Big Ten are in the same boat. I don't know about some of the others. And I assume the SSE is in the same way. I don't know about some of the others. And I assume the Essex season same way. So it's, it is the most important topic really related to college
Starting point is 00:21:30 athletics right now. How that's going to go. You had an article up earlier today on the athletic and it is predicting which Friday night football games are going to be there. Of course, Iowa, this past season, they took on UCLA and that Friday night game. You have the traditional Black Friday matchup against Nebraska. I remember hearing you, I can't remember if it was on a podcast or just us talking, but you said this has taken a little bit more work than you kind of anticipated going in trying to figure out what these Friday night football games are going to look like. It's really difficult. And I did ask the big 10 and just for a couple of things, just to make sure I wasn't completely wrong. And yeah, it, I mean, among the,
Starting point is 00:22:12 because there, there is a limit to what these teams can do, which is one home game, one road game under the Friday night Fox umbrella. Iowa is a little different because it doesn't have Fox umbrella, Iowa is a little different because it doesn't have home Friday games except for Black Friday or Labor Day weekend. And then because of the hospital situation and then, but it does have the ability to play two road games on Friday. So there's a little bit, it's a little bit different. Michigan will not play Friday. And then you have games like Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan, which are sought after
Starting point is 00:22:49 by the other networks for their Saturday packages. So they can't really go to Friday because, you know, they're not going to, if NBC would like to draft a Penn State, Michigan game, you know, they're not going to let that go to Friday night. So there's just so many different factors, even more so than trying to predict which games could end up at prime time on a Saturday. And so, and then so many different times I'd try something and it always ended up wrong. So, um, and I'm sure as I kind of joked with the guy who handles the scheduling for the
Starting point is 00:23:21 big 10, I said, I'd probably make one wrong move here and the whole thing will go down in flames. So, but I had Iowa go into USC in prom and on a Friday night and who knows if that'll be the case, but you know, it's something I worked through. So speaking of that, when do you think we're going to start to see the trickling out of some of the start times? You know, in the past it was May, there was some April ones that came out. It feels like it's a little bit different, but when do you anticipate this year, we're going to start to see some of those kickoff times start to trickle out. There'll be a couple that probably come out, I'd say in April last year,
Starting point is 00:23:58 they released the Friday ones in May, mid May. And then, then the first three weeks weeks which come out in wholesale right around Memorial Day. Last year, I think they released the first game for Penn State being a wide out on NBC, but that was special for NBC as its first Big Ten game or whatever for the year. I think you'll see one that will probably end up on NBC in prime time is Oregon at Penn State at the end of September. That one's kind of already been determined unofficially, but you might see a couple more go out, but they haven't had their draft yet. And that's really a major factor in how they determine, you know, which games end up on what networks, of course, talk with Scott Dockerman from the athletic couple more for you doc, before
Starting point is 00:24:47 we run out of time, want to get your thoughts tough loss for the men's basketball team. I know you're not on the Iowa beat, uh, anymore in the basketball beat. You make your way to carve her from time to time, but being in Iowa city, being obviously living in the corridor, you hear the conversations, you keep an eye on Iowa basketball. Where we go? I mean, you go back to the game against Oregon, they got a seven footer from Germany that like Michigan's after a bunch of other programs. Brands still committed, right? He's still out there recruiting, doing those kinds of things. And then you have a fan base that
Starting point is 00:25:17 just isn't showing up. Injuries have piled up, frustration is there, just an incredibly weird season of Iowa men's basketball. How do you think it concludes after this year regardless if it's in the Big Ten tournament or not? Well, it's not real positive off the field. And I can tell you this that some of the people I talked to, just off record having conversations with, kind of they all expressed the, yeah, I think that's got a tough decision to make, you know, meaning what happens with the basketball
Starting point is 00:25:50 program because they know the success that Iowa's had on the court under Fran McCaffrey, which is since 2012, they've been, you know, at least 500 in the Big Ten every year but one. And that's, that's kind of a big note. But you also look at the ticket scans and other things here. I mean, when only 4,700 people show up for Penn State or for Purdue, I mean the top 10 team Purdue, and that's a third of the arena, I mean you've got some problems there. So I don't know how you keep the same leadership in place if you want to change things without the leadership radically changing.
Starting point is 00:26:33 And I just don't know that, why wouldn't you have changed last year? Why would you have to change this year? I don't know all of that. And then, so I mean, I would guess I would be surprised if everybody came back and you know, everything's fine and we're going to try harder next year. But you know, things have in the past, uh, you know, I would have said the same thing about some of the
Starting point is 00:26:54 football offensive coordinators in the past, and that didn't really change either. Very true, Doug. Very true. You know, with that, I get this question all the time and it's about the financials. Does it make sense? We know they they don't have the basketball and IL funds people want to spend on football and women's basketball at this point And he could understand it with the successes of those programs Regardless of who it is and some of the names that are out there now Darren DeVries not exactly a dynamic personality Ben McCollum these are not guys that are raw raw guys and trying to kind of rebuild this fan base.
Starting point is 00:27:26 And, and that's a component either a financially what it's going to take to bring in a new coach and the NIL funds if it's going to matter. And secondly, who's that guy that's going to drum up the interest and get men's basketball back to being a thing again? I don't think you need some sort of, you know, car salesman or, you know, a used car salesman, let's say, that they can come up and, you know, do jumping jacks in the middle of the arena and get everybody fired up. I don't think you need that.
Starting point is 00:27:55 But I think there just needs to be more, more of a relationship and engagement building that takes place. And that's beyond anybody, whether it's Fran or the coaching staff, the players, it's administrative, it's wholesale. There's so much there that needs to happen that you gotta start from ground zero, you gotta start over. And that's unfortunate, but it's true.
Starting point is 00:28:19 And so whether or not they have a dynamic personality or not, I mean, I don't think anybody would say, you know, PJ has a dynamic personality. He's not PJ slack, you know, play like that. But they got well, yeah, he relates well to and of course, another big major component. But I, you know, so I don't think you need PJ and Iowa city as the basketball coach. But what I think you do need is a level of engagement. And I've said this quite a few times that you look at the things that Iowa basketball
Starting point is 00:28:50 has taken away from the fans over the last 10 or so years, you know, starting with the home and homes and in state, that was a level, those were games people paid attention to. Those were games people went to, they were interested in how Iowa competed with Drake, how Iowa State competed with Northern Iowa and all that those were taken away in favor of the big four classic which was also taken away What did you give them in return? Well in Iowa's case this year and a lot of bad games that nobody cared about, you know Southern Texas A&M commerce not Texas A&M, but takes a in commerce South Dakota
Starting point is 00:29:23 Or I mean sorry South upstate, not South Carolina, but upstate. Then you take away the PTL, which was, I mean, you couldn't have had a better marketing tool than that over the years. It was free. Several hundred fans would show up and watch them play summer basketball. Some would get autographs or pictures, and then people would write stories and do videos and talk about it on podcasts and radio, and all that's gone. Well, what did you replace it with? Nothing.
Starting point is 00:29:57 The level of engagement has been taken away and hasn't been replaced with anything. So that's in part because of the basketball program, but it's also in part because the administration hasn't done replaced with anything. So that's in part because of the basketball program, but it's also in part because the administration hasn't done anything with it. That needs to change. So if you don't have PPL in the summer anymore, or shirts and skins before home football games,
Starting point is 00:30:15 you gotta find ways to get that basketball program in front of people. Now, ultimately you have to win, because all of it's just window dressing, but they've won enough to where there should be some equity there and there just isn't. I mean, their fans are just not interested. Some people think that, well, it's because the women's program is winning. Well, maybe there's a few people who opt for the women's games over the men's. But I think what these numbers have shown us is
Starting point is 00:30:42 more people are opting for, I don't even care over going. And that's the worst possible thing that can happen for Iowa men's basketball. Scott Dockerman from The Athletic, a big thank you to Doc for joining us here today. We come back on the other side to wrap things up. This is Locked On Hawkeyes. Today's episode of the Locked On Hawkeyes podcast is brought to you by Roy attention Hawkeye fans the future of college sports is here and it's transparent before the Roy app and I'll negotiations often happen under the table fans didn't have a clear way to directly support the athletes that they love now with Roy you get to be part of the change and support Hawkeye athletes in the most transparent way possible. Roy,
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Starting point is 00:32:21 have coming up on Sunday. The Iowa women's basketball team, one o'clock tip off as they will face off against that incredibly talented UCLA team. We talk about Lauren Betts, but it's not just Lauren Betts. It is the depth that they have. They will go eight, nine deep as probably a deep of a team as you're going to find in the Big Ten this season. And they played an incredible clip outside of that loss of the head to USC. Playing at a high level, got a nice one as a nice win against Illinois earlier in the week. I was going to have to play incredibly well. I think they're going to have to shoot it certainly better
Starting point is 00:32:53 than we saw through the first basically three and a half quarters of the game against Ohio State. This is one where I don't think they can hope to win a slugfest. They're going to have to be able to score at a high level because UCLA they're going to put points on the board. I would, it doesn't have to be perfect, but it has to have a slugfest they're gonna have to be able to score at a high level because UCLA they're gonna put points on the board. IBA doesn't have to be perfect but has to have a clean game there. And then we wrap up tonight 730 with Oklahoma State in town for the wrestling team. I love this has turned into a little bit of a recently kind of something to look forward to at the end of the season a non-conference duel against Oklahoma State. Obviously the history of both of those programs. A little bit surprised. I saw the line was out on the Circus Sports Iowa app. Iowa was a one-point underdog in this match. I went through kind of group by group, weight by weight. I was a little bit surprised by that. Now we'll
Starting point is 00:33:38 also have to see who's going to go. That's always a component to that one, but should be a charge-up environment and a pretty cool doublehead header on Sunday. The women at one o'clock, 7.30 with the wrestling team, a good one to cap off. And of course the men's team get the victory against Washington on Saturday. We will be back with you late on Sunday night with the Rapid Reaction podcast to both the women's game and the wrestling meet. We'll have you covered on that front. We'll start to preview the week ahead as we got a busy one here in front of us. The confluence of everything kind of happening. We got baseball going on.
Starting point is 00:34:09 Good weekend for the Iowa baseball team. It could have been a perfect one. An extra ending loss to Notre Dame. They got things started on that front. Take a look at the softball team coming up this week. A little bit more. Also gonna talk about the Iowa women's wrestling team and what they did over the weekend.
Starting point is 00:34:24 Just a dominating performance down in Indianola out of them in the regional tournament. going to talk about the I will wrestling women's wrestling team and what they did over the weekend just dominating performance down in Indianola out of them in the regional tournament. So a lot to get into we got you covered all sides of things on the lockdown Hawkeyes podcast. We'll talk to you again tomorrow until then, go Hawks

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