Locked On Hawkeyes - Daily Podcast On Iowa Hawkeyes Football & Basketball - NFL Draft Analyst Nick Kendell joins us to talk about Anthony Nelson and Noah Fant's draft prospects
Episode Date: January 23, 2019NFL Draft Analyst Nick Kendell from 247Sports joins us to give a full rundown on all of the Iowa Hawkeyes who are eligible for the 2019 NFL Draft. Today's episode, we focus on Anthony Nelson, who is c...urrently playing in the 2019 Senior Bowl, and Noah Fant, who is likely to be the first guy off the board for the Iowa Hawkeyes. This is just the start of our conversation as we will be diving into the draft prospects TJ Hockenson, Amani Hooker, each of the seniors, and we will be taking a look at next year's class of Hawks all right here on the Locked On Hawkeyes podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Welcome to another episode of the Locked On Hawkeyes podcast, the latest addition to the Locked On Sports Network's growing lineup of college podcasts.
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I'm your host, Andrew Wade, editor over at DearOldGold.com, where you can find analysis pieces on all things black and yellow.
And if you haven't been listening to the show the last few days, then you're not aware that we have some fantastic content coming your way. Over the next
couple days, we're going to be giving you some of the bits and pieces of a conversation we had with
Nick Kendall, an analyst at 24-7 Sports covering the Denver Broncos and the NFL Draft. He's also
an avid Iowa Hawkeye fan and has a lot of really good intel
into what the Iowa Hawkeyes bring to the 2019 NFL Draft. So over the next couple days, we'll be
covering the four underclassmen who declared. We'll be talking about the seniors who are eligible for
the NFL Draft, such as Keegan Render, Ross Reynolds, Nick Easley, Parker Hesse, those guys.
And then finally, we're going to be discussing the guys who could be making an impact next year,
guys who could be entering the NFL draft a little bit early.
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That being said though, let's jump right into our interview with Nick.
All right, Nick, thank you for jumping on the podcast today. I really appreciate your time.
Wanted to quickly get, you know, some background on you. I mean, obviously I know you're a big
Iowa Hawkeye fan. You're from Iowa. Wanted to get some background on you and kind of how you
became an Iowa Hawkeye fan and how you became reallyed to get some background on you and kind of how you became an Iowa Hawkeye fan and
how you became really big into the NFL draft.
I mean, that's kind of why you're here today.
Would love to get your thoughts on all the Iowa Hawkeyes who are going to be entering
the NFL draft this year.
And then, you know, obviously we're going to talk a little bit about some of the guys
who could be available in next year's draft.
Obviously really respect your opinion about the Broncos and the Hawkeyes.
So I'm really glad to have you on here.
But I wanted to just quickly tell me a little bit about yourself and kind of how you got started in all this.
Well, as a Denver Bronco fan working over at 247 Sports under CBS, been there for about three years now, as you're a Denver Bronco fan as well,
the 2011 draft was the first time in a long time that the Broncos were really
bad. And I remember, you know, being engaged a lot with that off season,
you know, the Broncos looking to go pass rusher like Von Miller.
Thank God they did.
Are they looking to go a defensive tackle like Marcel Darius out of Alabama?
Are they looking at Patrick Peterson and cornerback?
Are they looking at maybe JJ Watt who maybe that's the one guy you might say
might've been a better pick at two.
I wouldn't say that because Von Miller is my dude, but that's kind of where it really started to grow
for me. I was a freshman in college at that time and the internet was really, those forums were
really kind of coming of age and there's a lot of different opinions. So I was a big consumer of that
watching tape, watching football games and putting my opinions out there and growing year after year
and that kind of blossomed into something where I was writing on blogs and
whatnot. And my editor approached me,
I was commenting on an article there and he's like,
do you write for somebody? I was like, no, I do not. And he's like, well,
you explain it really well. You're concise.
You know what you're talking about. Do you want to get paid to do this?
So I was like, Oh, that, that wouldn't suck.
So jumped on that. Been a Bronco fan for a long time.
My family's originally from the missouri
area so there wasn't a really a the st louis side and there wasn't much of an nfl team so my dad
grew up a denver bronco fan and so that's that rubbed off on me as far as college football goes
though my dad's not really a big college guy so my grandparents were though they were big iowa
hawkeye fans so definitely followed them became a big Iowa Hawkeye fan my now fiance went to University of Iowa for her undergrad and her
master's and PhD and I got my master's at the University of Iowa I actually work at the
University Hospital now so been a Hawkeye fan for a long time so it's just kind of a
a huge consumer slash writer fan of all things that are college and NFL football and everything
between there.
That is, yeah, that's awesome. I think it's pretty cool that Chad kind of found you on
just some forums and was willing to reach out. And I think obviously the Bronco community is
much better because of it. I obviously really enjoy reading your stuff and listening to your
insightfulness in terms of obviously the Broncos drafting and just in terms of the NFL draft as a
whole. So obviously glad to have you on the show.
Real quick, before we jump into some football stuff, I just wanted to quickly touch base with you.
Do you eat at the Vine very much in Iowa City?
I do every once in a while.
I don't guess I should say where I live on the podcast if I'm going to be showing up.
I kind of live close to the Coralville one out here.
So I've been there before, but that's definitely not my place of choice.
I'm definitely a consumer of craft beer.
So if I get a chance, I'm going to be at Big Grove or Mosley's or 30 Hop or something like that,
where I can get either a barrel-aged stout or a nice double IPA, something like that.
Makes sense.
Yeah, sorry.
I don't get to go to Iowa City a ton anymore.
So the vine is kind of my – I love the wings there.
But the craft beer scene has obviously grown a ton in Iowa
and Iowa City specifically.
So have to check that out next time I'm back,
hoping to get to a game next year or so.
Yeah.
No, man.
It's going to be a tough season next year, obviously.
We're going to talk about that here over the next few podcasts.
But the attrition is going to be something to watch because pretty much every single borderline guy
that you know will they stay will they go they all went to the nfl and i'm personally i'll say
this now i'm of the mindset of if you have a chance to go make money doing this go do it
because it's not a given oh i 100 agree that was actually you know that was the first thing i wanted
to touch with you on is that there are four underclassmen that declare that is a record for Iowa, you know, under Kirk Ferenson in general. And, you know, I want to talk to you about what your thoughts were, whether it was more about the state of the program. I mean, Iowa isn't known for producing players that quickly.
I think it's, you know, they really believe in the fundamental process of developing players. And when they get to that senior season, they are fully, you know, they are fully developed football player.
Look at, you know, Brandon Scherf is a great example.
You know, potentially a low round draft pick as a junior comes out or stays in, sorry, and comes out as a senior.
And he is the number four overall draft pick or though that's a long tangent.
But or is it more about the state of the NFL?
I mean, if you have the opportunity to get paid, you need to go do it right now
and then hopefully get that second contract even sooner.
And I think that's really what we're seeing a lot with football players in general.
And then specifically it's starting to impact the Iowa Hawkeyes.
So kind of a lot of big losses losing your two starting tight ends, Anthony Nelson,
and obviously Imani Hooker, the defensive back of the year for the Big Ten. So let's real quick jump into Anthony Nelson and obviously Imani Hooker the defensive back of the year for
the Big Ten so let's real quick jump into Anthony Nelson I think this guy is probably the guy we
thought was probably going to leave anyways you know he kind of grew up with that that defensive
line he's already graduated he's a redshirt junior not a lot more he can accomplish I feel like
personally his his floor is really high but his ceiling also't – there wasn't much more to his ceiling,
so I don't know what else he possibly could have accomplished
in collegiate football.
What are your thoughts on his declaration
and kind of where he stands as a prospect?
Anthony Nelson is a guy that I wasn't sure he would declare,
but it makes sense because how much better was he going to get
as far as his tool set?
He wasn't a guy who was just, you know, oozing athletic talent,
bend as whatnot, as far as, you know, NFL draft is concerned,
but he was a very technical pass rusher,
very stout at setting the edge and just really advanced with the,
as far as his hand technique, his ability to get off blocks, you know,
use that length.
I think he measured today with his length at like 34 inches and seven eighths.
As far as his arm length down in mobile. Yeah. He's, he's a tree.
There's no doubt about it. So he's, he's a long dude.
I do think that he'll probably be a guy out of these three.
He'd probably be the one that I would take the latest.
And that has nothing to do, you know, with his talent,
but it has more to do with his fit.
And he is a guy where I think he's pretty much a standard
seven technique in a four, three scheme. You know, he's not a guy that you're going to want
dropping into coverage. He's not somebody that I would see based on his height, especially,
you know, dropping, playing five technique, three technique, and more of a sub package.
So he's a little bit more scheme specific. And I think that lowers his value a little bit. I mean,
the NFL is getting smaller
lighter faster I mean you're seeing these smaller edge rushers go earlier and earlier in the draft
so he's going to be a guy who comes in I think he's going to produce right away how high is the
ceiling how much better is he going to get that's a question I think he'll be picked just outside
of the top 100 because this is such a top heavy defensive line and edge class. I mean, everybody's already talking about it.
I wouldn't be surprised to see if half of the first 10 picks in the NFL draft
are defensive line or edge rushers, maybe even higher than that.
So I think he's going to get knocked down a little bit
just because the way this class is shaping up.
But he's going to come in.
He's going to be a good player for a long time.
And I don't blame him for leaving.
It would have been nice to have him back
because the defensive line depth of the Hawkeyes is really taking a hit. But, and that's something that
they, I mean, that was one of the reasons the defense was so dominant last year,
but he's going to be a good player. I don't know how loose his hips are. Sometimes he's a little
bit stiff. How quickly can he chase a guy in pursuit that can get outside? You know, he's
really good at setting that edge, but if somebody even bounces it outside i'm not sure if he's athletic enough to get there and if you're
playing in a three four scheme especially in base where sometimes those edge rushers have to drop
back play some man coverage i think that's that's really not going to be his game so i think those
limitations do limit his fit in the nfl on how high team will take him. But as a rotational guy, especially as a base edge and a four,
three strong side defensive end,
I think he's got good potential and he's going to be a good player for a
while.
All right.
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Absolutely.
And I think we kind of hit on a couple of things there.
He's the kind of guy that, you know, if he goes, you know,
outside of the top 100, he maybe goes mid-fourth round, right? He's the kind of guy, though, that I feel like could step in
and start for the right team right away.
He's not going to fill up the stat sheet, obviously,
but he could be that guy in a 4-3 scheme.
I think he's more of an edge, but a team that runs a basic 4-3 front
and looking for maybe another depth edge rusher such as, gosh,
maybe the Chargers.
Another good fit would be kind of like the Browns.
They run that
that 4-3 front that would make a lot of sense but there's a lot of teams that could take him
i think denver though he doesn't really have the the pure speed that you want for that 3-4 edge
that denver deploys but that being said the nfl is changing kind of like the hawkeyes are changing
i mean iowa was a 4-3 defensive front for a long time, and this year we saw them finally make the change to be more 4-2-5 with Hooker playing that
star role, as they called it, instead of a linebacker. So you're going to have more
four-man fronts if you're playing that 4-2-5 in the NFL, more sub packages more than ever,
more wide receivers out there, obviously. So I could see him in there, especially as a
rotational piece. I don't think he's ever going to be a guy that you want as your
primary starting edge rusher in the NFL
just because he lacks the elite burst, the elite get off.
But I think that especially with his,
just how solid he is against the run as well,
there's going to be a fit for him.
I'm really interested though to see how he tests at the combine,
stuff like the three cone drill, the 20 yard shuttle,
the 10 yard dash out of the 40 yard dash.
Those will all be big for him in helping sort out some of this class i do think though that you know listening to him talking interviews or hearing some people talk about him
he's going to interview very well as well so team's going to fall in love with him how high
is the ceiling that's the question is he ever going to be a starter caliber guy in the nfl
i don't think so but granted i look more for a as think so, but granted, I look more for a, as a Denver Bronco analyst,
I look more for a three, four type of edge.
So that he doesn't exactly fit that type given his, his size and what he does
well, but I think he's going to have a fit in the NFL.
And there's,
there's going to be somebody who takes some late day three to probably late
day, late round four, late, late round three to late round four.
I would say it would be in his range right now.
Absolutely. It makes, makes total sense. and how do you think you know obviously you got
a late invite to the senior bowl um being a graduated redshirt junior big opportunity for
him to be down there in mobile this week in front of the scouts um how do you think that could
potentially impact his draft stock obviously you talked about the interviewing i think he'll he
like you said he'll interview very well kind of depends on how he tests how do you think being there though um you know senior bowl kind of favors defenders
personally because a lot of the stuff is one-on-one drills which really helps so how do you think that
could potentially help his draft stock and you know being around some some pass rushing needy
teams i'm not you know specific with the 49ers and and the raiders in terms of what they specifically
run in terms of a base defense.
But how do you think being down at that senior bowl and mobile will help him?
I think it'll help him a lot, especially since guys like Josh Allen pulled out.
I haven't, you know, I was working out when I haven't heard how he did in his practices.
But a lot of times those drills, especially the one-on-ones,
those are catered to the defensive linemen.
You know, defensive linemen are going to have the advantage
because they are not going to have the double teams and the quarterback getting rid of
the ball etc etc you know it's the offensive lineman here hold up good luck so i think that
does cater to him and you hit those two teams actually are ones that make a lot of sense
for anthony nelson if they do miss out on that edge rusher early heck i mean i'm i'm a strong
proponent of the the old adage you can never have enough pass rush so even if they go past
edge rusher round one,
Anthony Nelson makes a lot of sense to double dip and grab again for them.
So I think he's definitely got a chance to rise.
However, this is a better offensive tackle class in Mobile this year
than I think we've seen over the past few seasons.
So it'll be interesting to see how he holds up against them
and how the stock reports go.
I'm a little bit upset I'm up here working in Iowa City
at the frigid cold winter weather advisory going on up here while some of my friends are down in Mobile
watching that. Absolutely. Yeah, I'm in the same boat. Well, actually not with the cold as much.
I live in Denver now. We're dealing with some cold weather right now, but it's not too bad.
But I actually was hoping to go to Mobile until there was no Hawkeyes invited. And so I was like,
well, I can't really book my travel. then anthony nelson gets that late invite and i already had
some work travel booked up so i wasn't able to make it down either which is unfortunate but yeah
i'll definitely be looking forward to hearing him you know the reports about how he did during those
practices and whatnot and obviously be staying tuned to how he does in indy and the combine how
he does with some of those different testing drills. And kind of jumping into some of the testing drills,
Noah Fant is a guy who is expected to test out of the charts.
I mean, this guy is an athletic freak.
We saw his athleticism on display at Iowa,
I think maybe less than some Iowa fans would have liked to see.
But as we saw the emergence of T.J. Hawkinson,
kind of overshadowed what Noah Fant could even do because T.J. Hawkinson kind of overshadowed what Noah Fant
could even do because T.J. Hawkinson became that guy who kind of go down the seam and and catch
those big time passes from Nate Stanley but first to touch on Noah Fant declared you know a true
junior first year of eligibility from Omaha kind of came in I believe as a defensive end tight end
wasn't really sure what they were going to do and and then broke out in a big way, set the tight end record for touchdowns.
What do you see for him in the NFL?
Obviously, there's some concerns about his blocking,
but the more I've kind of watched and stuff, he is willing.
He's willing to block.
It's just that he's not, I would say, as good or fundamentally sound
as some other Iowa Hawkeye tight end.
So what are your initial thoughts on Noah Fant as a prospect?
Well, if you're upset about Noah Fant's blocking,
then you're putting him in the wrong spot,
I guess is the first thing I'd say.
Is he going to be a great in-line tight end
that is going to function as a sixth offensive lineman?
No.
But if you're using him that way,
then you need to fire your offensive coordinator
because you're limiting what Noah Fant brings to the table. I was definitely team Hawkinson. I like both of them,
obviously, but I was definitely team Hawkinson, but I got a chance to watch them all 22
in regards to Noah Fant and TJ Hawkinson. And man, it's really crazy what teams,
what defensive coordinators would do. First off, disrespecting the wide receivers,
you know, really leaving a lot of those guys on an island, but what they could do, just getting bodies, hands, disrupting everything they could to slow down
Noah Fant.
And I think that was a big reason that not to take away from Hawkinson, but I think a
big reason Hawkinson was a primary option a lot of times was because defensive coordinators
on opposite teams paid so much attention to Noah Fant.
But for me, Noah Fant, you know, his inline blocking,
it's fine, but really he's more of that new age tight end, you know, like, uh, I'm not sure how
much you or the listeners have watched, um, of the Indianapolis Colts this year, but you had the
Colts to really kind of hammer down what I think the Hawkeyes should have done more of this year
with the Hawkinson and Fant duo as you had Eric Ebrun, a guy who was their tight end but he was more of their
big slot tight end where you're moving him around as an h back you're isolating him with some pre
snap motion you're running him down the seam and just a touchdown machine i mean kind of exactly
what a career year he had a fantastic year this season oh yeah no he was finally i'm glad a team
finally used him that way so props to them and. And we obviously have an Andrew Luck helps a lot,
although Matt Stafford's not horrible, but yeah, no,
Ebron I think is a great fit and a comp, a low end comp, I think for fan,
I think fan might actually test as a better athlete than Ebron did coming out.
But Ebron, I mean, he was the guy,
I think it went like ninth overall when he came out and he was the pick before
Aaron Donald too. So sorry, Lions fans, but yikes. But yeah. And then you have on the other end of the spectrum,
you have the solid, you know,
guy who's offered some athleticism down the field,
but really he's the guy you're going to have is that six offensive lineman
more. He's going to be running shorter routes over the middle,
the tougher routes, as far as contestant catches,
they had Jack Doyle there who's another underrated tight end.
And that's really how I see both of these tight ends fixing,
fitting in the NFL, you know, tight end is the's really how I see both of these tight ends fixing fitting in the NFL you know tight end is the position but there's the NFL is so specialized nowadays and it's
college football as well where that tight end is really I mean that could mean so many different
things for Noah fans I like to call them kind of a flex end or more of an H back tight end type or
the big slot if you will where you're going to be moving them around he's going to have being the
background he's going to be the guy that moves if you will, where you're going to be moving them around. He's going to have being the background.
He's going to be the guy that moves before the snap.
That's a,
is going to make the defense have to shift around because they have to
account for that guy, but also it's going to make them because of that,
they're going to tip their hand as well for the quarterback.
So something that the, you see the,
the Rams do a lot when they have a guy like Gerald Everett,
another name thrown out there.
It's kind of that, that flex hybrid tight end where they're more receiver,
but it's more about getting that big body guy with athleticism
where you can isolate him outside.
And if you get that matchup, you're going to exploit it.
But coming back to Noah Fant overall, I think that this season,
there were a couple injury scares that I think might have slowed him down a little bit.
I mean, he had that issue with his hip coming out of that Wisconsin game.
They ran that end around with him in one of the games,
and he bumped his head
off the turf. And there was some talk about concussions.
And when you got two tight ends like that, I mean, it's hard.
It's even for the Hawkeyes.
It's hard to get that many snaps for that many tight ends,
especially when they're struggling to run the football like they want.
I don't know if that's Kirk or Brian and they're kind of forcing the hand
there, but I see sometimes when they're getting Hawkinson and the guy like,
Oh gosh, who's, who's the other tight end that uses.
Yes. Nate Whiting in there, obviously a better blocker, but that,
at that point you're tipping your hand, you're saying we're running the football.
And I get that the same time. I kind of questioned, you know, Noah Fant,
I would say is your best football player. You know,
you got to get them out there still, but again,
it depends on the flow of the game and trying to run the football and when you can't run the football then you can't really sell the play
action at least that's what iowa thinks there's some stats that might suggest otherwise but um
you know that's a that's a different that's a totally different discussion but yeah no i i
really like fan i think he will i've come around full circle after watching all 22 i think he will
be my tight end one he's gonna jump out of the gym at the combine.
I'm curious to see how he runs.
If he runs a four, six, five, I've seen some projections of a four, seven, five.
I think he's going to run faster than that.
I think it was the Purdue game.
They had him on a flat route and he just, the different level speed took off.
And we didn't see that enough this season.
Granted, I don't, I think that it had partially to do with
other teams not really
respecting the iowa wide receivers so much so i like fant a lot i think he's going to be a top 20
pick when it's all said and done but i'm curious to hear how his his interview go interviews go and
whatnot yeah a couple things you said there i think the first one is the eric ebron comp i've
actually heard that comp before from other draft analysts, so kind of funny to hear that analysis.
And you're absolutely right, like kind of a low-end Eric Ebron.
That's kind of the floor is what they were saying for a NOAA fan.
And I think another thing, too, is it's interesting that you talk about him
as kind of a big slot receiver, and when Iowa was going to run the ball more,
they put Nate Whiting in.
But at the same time, no one was respecting the wide receivers for the Hawks,
even though I think Amir Smith-Marset and Brandon Smith
have a lot of talent between the two.
Nick Easley is a pretty solid slot receiver.
But they really had an opportunity.
They kind of blew there.
I feel like they could have really utilized Fant and pushed him out wide
and used him as that big slot or just a big receiver in general.
I mean, like you said, he's their best athlete.
He's their best football player.
You need to get him on the field. And the final thing is the the 40 yard dash time I
would be kind of shocked to see him run slower than a four you know slower than a four seven
from what it sounds like you know he was beating you know he's beating guys in all sorts of drills
in terms of foot races and that sort of thing at you know in Iowa Hawkeye spring spring practices
and whatnot so I'd be surprised to see him run below four seven, but I am excited to see kind of what he projects at in the NFL and where he
goes in the draft. I think right now,
TJ Hawkinson is getting a lot of love and I've seen even a couple, you know,
draft boards with Hawkinson above Bant,
but I think a lot of that will change once they get to the combine and you see
kind of what, what type of superior athlete Bant really is.
Yeah. And I, again, it's just the direction of the NFL. You know,
I know that we have the Patriots kind of wear down the team at the run game and
whatnot, but the NFL is getting more pass oriented. I mean,
it's just the way it is. So having guys who can be mismatched weapons,
especially in the red zone, especially in the red zone,
which I think people do not,
we don't talk enough about Fant about how good he is in the red zone and how teams have to totally change how they're playing defense in the red zone, which I think people do not, we don't talk enough about fans about how good he is in the red zone and how
teams have to totally change how they're playing defense in the red zone.
I mean, the NFL is becoming more and more about bend, don't break.
And if you can get sevens instead of threes,
when the defense gets compressed, that's, that's huge.
So that's something that I think that really makes fan rise above many of
these other guys. I mean, his touchdown proficiency is insane. So yeah, I think he's a guy that I would absolutely love.
And if Denver is going to move to more of a passing scheme going forward,
which it sounds like they might with Rich Scangarillo,
then the Fant, if he's there round two, I'm sprinting to the podium.
And that'll do it for our Wednesday morning episode.
Again, a big thank you to Nick Kendall from 24-7 Sports
for joining us on the podcast this morning.
He'll also be providing great content for us over the next couple days.
We'll be giving a little bit more of a rundown.
Today we got through Noah Fant and Anthony Nelson.
Tomorrow we're going to be talking about TJ Hawkinson and Imani Hooker.
The next couple shows we'll be talking about the seniors,
and then we'll be talking about the guys who are coming up next year,
guys who could be leaving early and departing for the NFL.
So make sure you're staying tuned to our next couple episodes.
Again, we'll also be talking about the Michigan State game tomorrow, so we'll be doing kind
of a combined episode, giving you a preview of Iowa versus Michigan State, and delivering
you fantastic draft content from the conversation that I had with Nick Kendall.
That'll do it, though.
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Again, thank you for joining us on the Locked on Hawkeyes podcast.
I hope you really enjoyed some of this awesome content we had for you today
about the NFL Draft and the available Iowa Hawkeyes
who are going to be in the NFL Draft this year,
specifically Noah Fant and Anthony Nelson.
Have a fantastic day, Hawkeye Nation, and we'll be back tomorrow.