Locked On Jayhawks - Daily Podcast On Kansas Jayhawks Football & Basketball - Big 12 SQUAD - College Football Playoff EXPOSED As TV Ratings Grab, Impact on Kansas

Episode Date: April 24, 2025

Could TV ratings decide the College Football Playoff? This controversial idea could reshape the landscape for teams like the Florida Gators and Utah Utes. Dive into the latest buzz around conference realignment, with Utah potentially eyeing a Big Ten move. How will this impact their playoff chances? The episode also explores the growing influence of NIL deals on college sports, highlighting disparities between basketball and football. Key figures like J.T. Wistrcill and "Mountaineer Paul" weigh in on these game-changing developments.Join the conversation as we break down the implications for Big 12 schools and beyond. Don't miss out on these insider insights and expert analysis.

So a lot. Every player in the conference has hit the transfer portal. And the college football playoff is based on TD ratings. And Utah, the Big Ten, that was a typo. This is the Big 12 Squad. You're talking ball with the Big 12 Squad, sponsored by Game Time. From Oklahoma State to Utah, from Kansas State to BYU,

from Houston to Texas Tech, it's the local experts of the Locked On Podcast Network bringing you scoops, breakdowns, and the most comprehensive preview of the upcoming Big 12 weekend. Buckle up, it's the Big 12 Squad and we have a seat for you. Know her feelings and thin skin allowed. Squad up, you're part of the Big 12 Squad. Happy Thursday night, everybody. Welcome to the Big 12 Squad. Something, something, grab a beer. My script won't load. That is Jake Hatch of Locked On Cougars.

Talks all things BYU. Parker Ainsworth, Locked On Cougs down in Houston. Cody Stovall is here from Locked On, Oklahoma State. Went out of his way to make it to the show. Cody, good to have you. JT Wisterstel of Locked On Utes. Derek Johnson of Locked On Jayhawks. And the man of the hour, he says he's

going to talk tonight more than ever fashionably late. Nick Merovitz, Locked On Cyclones. the that for sure. But where I want to start is a place that we can all get ticked ticked off about the college football playoff report from Heather Dinnittch ESPN. Bill Connolly pointed it out that they want to go to a format possibly where TV ratings decide who goes the college football playoff that smells just like the SEC. It would be I mean, hard to put into words. I remember I said audit for auto bids for conference would be the worst thing to ever happen to the sport.

Not too long ago. This would, I'd somehow they found a way to top that if we're just going to go off of ratings and make it a popularity contest. I thought we left that behind in middle school, but here we are still doing it in the college football realm. I hate it. I really do. If this is what it comes to, I don't even know what to say.

But JT, you guys are going to be the big 10 soon. Isn't that going to help you guys out? Jake, I'm just happy know what to say. But JT, you guys are gonna be in the big 10 soon. Isn't that gonna help you guys out? Jake, I'm just happy you're here tonight. I was worried that locked on BYU, Kuk's host is gonna be in the transfer portal since half your roster seems to be. Oh no! Oh, okay.

Okay. That's the same guy that argued for the NCAA tournament as was. Yeah. Is saying that this is, that's where we're at, is that that's the crazy take now. Somehow JT is bringing level headedness to the big 12 squad this week.

This report to me, a couple of people have mentioned, could just be the smoke and mirrors. This could be, hey, what if we said something so crazy that the rest of the stuff that we pitch goes through? Like in the NFL, they propose no more two minute warning and that's just so they can pass the new kickoff. Everyone's so mad about one thing, they overlook the actual piece

that the rules committee wants to go through. So is there a world in which this is ESPN, the college football playoff, getting together and saying, look, if we say something so outlandish, then maybe they'll lay down and accept four automatic qualifiers for the SEC and Big Ten. There's an argument to be made there, Drake. I think the biggest thing here is that we're watching the Big Ten and the SEC throw around their weight.

We have that rule out there saying that I'm not committed to Big 12 schools. What are you doing, dude? You're a middle tier Big Ten coach throwing your proverbial weight around. I'm not for it, but you're right. It could be something they're saying so outlandish that you're right. They're laying the groundwork for pushing something through. Cause everybody else is like, you know what, if they want to go that far, we'll allow them to go to this point. Well, and rules specifically, Drake has the Baylor Lundman

Tommy, like he was a big 12 coach left out of this thing that then for laid that in the NFL and Ultimately failed and came back to be a mid-tier coach like Jake just said like if anything His whole career could have been different had this just been the he'd be a more successful coach had this just been a more equal Playing field across not the big 12 in the first place. The rule thing is ridiculous. I don't know why he once again, it's like you guys said, why in the world are the middle tier SEC SEC big 10 coaches, the ones who are trying to plant the flag. That's something you all have done a great job of highlighting on your different shows that I've seen. I just, it doesn't make any sense to me why Matt rule has to be like a guy who had success

at Baylor. Then it's turn around and be like, I don't understand why anyone would want to go play in the big 12. Like, come on, Matt, really? Like it's jealous. It's awful for really? Like it's awful for the sport. It's awful for the sport. What happened when we were all like, we always competed together,

but you're still trying to lift college football up. Now it's becoming just conferences, kind of trying to prioritize themselves, which seems so weird to have once again, like just being Nebraska and be like, yeah, I'm so happy we get our brains beat in by Ohio State each season. Yeah, it's obvious why Matt Ruhl would say this.

He's looking for some semblance of viability as potential conference alignment is about to come. Yes, they do really good at selling out the stadium even when they're absolutely terrible. But if it's going to go off of a popularity contest, that is going to be huge for a team like Nebraska. Yes, they can put 100,000 people in the stands supposedly, but it doesn't equal them being good at football. So since they can't be good at football, but it doesn't equal them being good at football. So since they can't be good at football, but they're really good at the popularity side

of the game, I think this unfortunately does make a ton of sense. And I also think it's wishful thinking for any of us to believe there's a smoke and mirrors. I firmly believe they're trying to alienate as much as college football is physically possible so they can have more of a conversation on, well, they just let all the blue bloods play. And this is yet another extension of that, in my opinion. I agree with Cody that they do really well in that the old black shirt thing when TV was popular, you know, first popularized in the sport as much as it is now in the 90s. It really blew up then, right? I get all that. Would anyone benefit more than Jake and BYU? I mean, like, honestly, as far as TV numbers go, the international audience there, like that's,

they could be all of a sudden the flagship of the conference because of the TV numbers. They could be the only big 12 school that would be part of this conversation. Agreed. Whoa! As long as Dion, as long as Dion, if Dion leaves Colorado,

if Dion stays in Colorado, they would be in this as well too, but he's not wrong in terms of pocket money. That's fair. That did fold out, the worst guy of pocket. I don't know what the big issue is here we should vote on the Heisman who has the most followers on X Twitter or whatever you want to call it. Conference you know realignment should be based on who gets the most website clicks like I don't see what the issue is here. This seems very doable. It's doable, that's for sure.

We don't need to take five of you Derek. Before we leave that rule thing behind, I think it's important to know, I think he's actually just a little jealous of Iowa State. And this sounds wild, but Iowa State, out of the top nine Nebraska recruits, Iowa State has six, and has a direct correlation to the seventh, and the other two are on their board. Is Iowa State in the big 12? I just, we're throwing out there. and has a direct correlation to the seventh and the other two are on their board. Is Iowa State in the big 12? I just, we're throwing out there. So I always-

I actually see it. I thought it was a reach-up person. So we're asking, we got it. Okay, I like that. Let's move on. And Mr. Nebraska Gatorade player of the year who still holds all of the passing records in the state of Nebraska is our third string quarterback.

So I'm sure that doesn't sit well with him either. Doesn't help either. Which as a third string quarterback at Oklahoma state, he will play at least four games and start three of them. And play for two other big schools at some point. Hey, Derek mentioned the hardy Derek mentioned the Heisman thing, like being based on clicks and everything. I saw this thing today at the Oscars,

like just officially mandated that you have to watch all the best picture nominees now to be able to vote on the ward. Yet we still have Heisman voters that don't watch all the Heisman voters because they're like oh they play too late it's it's ridiculous it's and i that's probably like what 20th on what's wrong with the sport right now so could you imagine though if that the the tv thing was actually like a thing and you just had like like you had some team who was on the bubble of making it and there you know some other team was the 11 seed who is like just on the inside of making it and everybody're, you know, some other team was the 11 seed who is like just on the inside of making it and everybody's like, all right, everybody shut off your TVs in

this region of the country and everybody in another region is like, no, we got to get them in and everybody in like Georgia is like, no, make sure to turn on the Alabama game this week and just be sure. What we would do is we would live stream the big 12 squad during an SEC game and just try and steal people, just try to steal people. You know that would actually happen. I perfectly have previously internet, you know, Lane Kiffin told all of his family and all of his family's friends to make sure

they tune into Ole Miss SEC games just for viewership purposes. Stuff like that would get even bigger. You coaches would buy like 12 TVs just to put on their house. Yes, you show up to a sports bar in Ames, Iowa. There's 36 TVs. Where's the Alabama game? Oh, that would be the big donation. Big tax write off donation be all the TVs, the sports bar to have all the TVs on. That's the deal. Talk about the future of NIL. Buffalo Wild Wings is about to be reborn by the SEC and the Big Ten. Every B-Dubs in every city that relates to a certain school is going to have that every TV on.

Yeah. Can we say B-Dubs or do we need to go with any order, any type of wings place that will sponsor this show? How about that? Can we go any single one and we'll plug that one as the place that happens? Except for Hooters, we have Hatch here. We can't do the Hooters thing. I think we've.

There's Hooters in Utah. I think that's what happens at. We have hatch here we can't do the Hooters. There's Hooters in Utah I have been there. Thank you. See there is something that

you nation did provide all of us. Speaking of you nation coming up. They're going to the big ten by JT good to see you great Great to have you. This the Locked On Big 12 Squad. Pausing things quickly to tell you today's show is brought to you by FanDuel. FanDuel's the best. Why is FanDuel the best? The NBA playoffs are here and FanDuel's giving new customers an incredible way to get in on the action. Right now when you join FanDuel and place your first

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who has a Twitter, said that there are three sources out of the Big Ten telling him that this could be a done deal, or I think he meant not a done deal or not a lock, but he actually tweeted, this is a lock. I'm hoping it's a typo, but he's been told there's mutual interest between Utah and the Big Ten. I know it feels like we have this conversation

once every two months, it's on the docket again. The Utah administration would go, they would do it, they'd kind of be silly not to, but I'm not so sure the Big Ten A would do it or B would give you a full share. And it seems like a fever dream for any youth fans that think it's legitimate. You say that they would be silly not to in some ways though, they might be silly if they did go and this is where I was even talked about this earlier on my show this week. What also what were we just talking about?

Nebraska, a domestic. He's insane, you're on a roll today. On a roll, God bless. Oh, the Nebraska brand. The big 12. What'd you say? You wanna stay in the big 12, this is great. This is where, when it first happened,

it was almost, I kinda mentioned the popularity contest earlier, right? Like, hey, it's a status thing, getting to the big 10, but what kinda happened as soon as some of these teams got in the big 10? Like how, Washington just made the national championship game a couple of years ago. They feel so far from that right now.

Maybe they'll get back there. But as long as it's not like, okay, we're in super conferences. If you want a chance to compete at the highest level, get to the college football playoff, all of that, the best path for Utah to do that is undoubtedly in the big 12 right now. So would it be really that great to get in the big 10 just

to be like, Yay, we're in the big 10. Like I know UCLA is there, they got Nico Elia Mava. But that doesn't like they were awful last year, it offers a lot. But I get for Utah, number one, I don't buy the reports. I don't think it's happening anytime soon. There's a lot more attractive candidates for expansion to me than Utah right now. Even though I think if you get down the list, you get to Utah, I like a lot about Utah still, I was locked on you, of course, but I do still look at this

and say we're far off from Utah leaving the conference. And I think that's good for Utah because they got a chance to compete in the big 12 pretty much any year after what ASU just did. Breaking news. JT has now been banned from every Ute message board known to man. Right? Good. That's not breaking, Jake. That's been the thing for like the last three years. True. It's also not wrong. Hey, I didn't know we were going to start our push right now, by the way, to get more views up. There we go. Bring on Mountaineer. Paul, you with us there? There he is. Good bit. Good bit. I did a thing. Okay. Drake, you fell for Drake. I'm bob-blasting away. I did not thing. Okay. Drake, you felt the way. I did not. All right. Segment two.

He can only do this is kind of crazy. Like I've done some writing work in the past for Jim Williams. So I do know that he has ridiculous amounts of connections. So there has to be some validity to this. But at the end of the day, I don't necessarily buy that Utah because JT just mentioned it. Would they in theory love to be in the Big Ten? Yeah, we've been hearing about it ad nauseum for two and a half years. But their best path to the CFP would be in the Big 12 at the moment. And in order for Utah to have a conversation about being Big 10 ready They probably should put themselves in position to win the Big 12 first I guess true as as the prolly I think the newest arrival in the reggae

I guess Jake and I got here the same year as far as Big 12 schools go I would only push back on idea that like I think if you threw that kind of money at any of the school as a Baseline dollar amounts they would all consider it And they did get a quarter of the college football playoff, like three of the 12 teams. Like, do I think it's probably more likely, what I've argued the big 12 should have more than one team. Yeah, we all did that show before. Like, I understand the argument to go as the school

that just got here because it's the same reason that we came to the big 12. It's more money, it's a better spot, it's a better spot, better spotlight. But Parker, the question is, we mentioned Washington and Oregon only got half shares to come into this league. I would imagine Utah is not going to get a full share to go in. If they got a full share, you jump immediately. That pushes the 90, $100 million in the payouts annually. But if you're getting a half share, by the time this could come about, what's

the big 12 making? 50, 60, $70 million? That's the concern of how much money, more money you'd be making jumping. Yeah, Jake's absolutely right with that. I just want to say like Utah would have to take it if they got it for the financial reasons. But I just think long-term there's a chance it could diminish their brand. Like I mentioned with Nebraska. Well, we're all sold in the long-term business thing catching up with your marks. The guy that can do that, right? I don't think that it's just theoretically, if it's like a bird in hand versus bird out there, like I'm gonna take the one in hand, that's the deal, right?

I think that's the argument. And the other side of this is that the Big Ten, they obviously have the West Coast, they've got the four schools on the West Coast, they need to link those. That's why Utah, BYU, the Arizona schools, Colorado, that Intermountain West region here, that's what's attracted to the Big Ten because it, that Intermountain West region here, that's what's attracted

to the big tenant because it creates that link across the country from the rest of the league to the West Coast. Houston said the same thing about people trying to get into the state of Texas. I mean, right? You have, and M has talked about leaving Texas in the SEC and their whole thing was being different. Uh, SMU was taking, you know, willing to pay their way into anything. Houston's like, well, we can be the Texas school if you need one, right across the board. It just landed us where we are now. I'm not from Texas, so.

I'm not making like actual points. Can we address, there was a siren in the background and I'm a little worried about Mountaineer ball right now. Oh, you. I actually. Not me. The first thing I thought was Derrick's in Kansas and I know what happens when sirens happen in Kansas Tornadoes as it is I can remember specific dates to relevant tornadoes throughout history. So yeah, those things. Yeah

Job in Missouri 2011. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there you. Yeah, I'm Joplin. Joplin, Missouri, 2011. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. There you go. Take that. Paul, you've had a banner week for interviews this week. It sounds like West Virginia Athletics are back. We're getting there, especially in basketball. We're starting to push into that $7 to $8 million range spending money wise, which I didn't think we had had no. I was like, what? That was us three years ago. I know.

I was a player for Hatch. Well, I remember I was talking to the Pitt G.M. Jay Coons because he just got hired over there a couple of days ago and like 21, I think it was we spent three and a half million was number one class. That was a lot in 2021 and it just continues to go up. Yeah, West Virginia, I don't know what we gave Trace and Eagle staff. It's probably into the one to 1.5. Huff is over a million. It's, and we've got five other guys that are all into that five to $1 million range.

So it's wild, man. I don't know. Here's what I know. Brent Baker had to hire Rich Rodriguez against, I don't wanna say against his will, but that was like his fifth choice. We talked about that. And he said, I'm not doing it in basketball.

I'm hiring my McCaslin guy and I'm gonna back the hell out of him to make sure that he's successful because, you know, I don't know that it's just the way it is I mean you only have you can you can buy eight really good players in basketball if you have enough money and football eight million dollars is nothing so I seems to be and I'm not saying Rich Rod doesn't have backing I just don't know that you can make the kind of impact you've got have 16, 18, 20 million in football to really make a difference. Okay, Mountain here, Paul, to your point, BYU just lost two starting caliber players simply due to that fact. The BYU's got essentially enough money

to compete Big 12 basketball wise because yes, they can go out and spend a bunch of money. You take that same amount of money, cross it over to BYU football, as I understand they got about the same amount you got to spread it across 40 50 guys it gets a lot thinner real quick. Yeah pause right there this this is it it's a huge conversation that I wanted to get into the end of show today on on the transfer portal in football being affected by dollar signs in basketball this is the big 12 squad. all this is the Big 12 Squad. Today's show is brought to you by Amazon Fire TV. Did you know your Fire TV is also an Xbox? It sounds kind of crazy, but it's true. With Amazon Fire TV, you can pop that TV on and grab any paired controller, no console required. Fire TV stick 4K devices. You can play EA College Football 25. Call of Duty Black Ops 6.

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generation with Fire TV. Hatch, it's been reported that BYU is offering Rob Wright $3.5 million. If I'm Harrison Taggart, a valuable line I think that's a question a lot of players are starting to ask across the country as schools value basketball. Is that why BYU has seen a couple of players that are not as valuable as the other players? I think that's a question a lot of players are starting to ask across the country as schools value basketball. Is that why BYU has seen a couple of players that are not as valuable as the other players? I think that's a question a lot of players are starting to ask across the country as schools value basketball. Is that why BYU has seen a couple of big names in the portal already?

Yeah, I would think so. I think that some of these guys are looking at that saying, hey, AJ DeBonse over here between seven and eight million dollars, you believe, reports. Rob Wright, it's been reported anywhere between $225 and three five in terms of the overall money he's getting to Mount near Paul's point. You can buy seven, eight guys in college basketball has a major impact. Has you maybe near the top of the big 12 conference, you buy seven or eight guys in college football, that's not gonna get you anywhere near maybe the middle tier of the big 12. That's the thing about this. You have to have tens of millions of dollars in college football to really make an imprint.

It's not so fun Jake, when someone comes in and steals your players, is it? I don't understand the correlation between the football and basketball conversation because you're talking about 15 dudes to 105 dudes. So if there's anybody that's like, oh, I'm mad that a basketball player is getting 4 million. I mean, didn't you pick the wrong sport, homie?

You got to share the low. Yeah, I'm with him. This same thing we see between the NFL and the NBA as we professionalize this thing out, right? It's running backs versus point guards. And the comparison's not close. In Dallas, you've got Kyrie Irving, Anthony Davis, and you've got Ezekiel Elliott. Like in Houston, we've got like Tankdale is making what money, CJ Strauss is making what money versus like Alpern Shingu. When you that we compare pro sports isn't a conversation. Oh baby.

I mean think about the marketability of having a basketball player where I don't know maybe a couple of us might know what Rob Wright looks like if you saw him just on the street somewhere how many of like the random big 12 school that you don't follow, you know football players Would you know without the helmet on? Yeah? Now the other side of it is a lot of these schools out there I know BYU is doing this with the regards to the new revenue share that's coming into effect at twenty point five million dollars They're stratifying that money like an NFL salary cap. You essentially have a number that you're willing to go to for players Let's say for Keeling Marion. For example, if you believe most of the numbers out there in NIL,

between 150 to $300,000 is a top end wide receiver Power 4 level. Well, reports are he's getting offers of $850, $900,000. Well, BYU, yeah, they may not be outbid, but they're also not gonna go break the bank and set a bad precedent for paying for one guy. Think about this. He gives you two touchdowns a year, Jake, come on.

Or and they don't be Utah without him. I will say that they didn't be. Betty Federico is going to get a million dollars. So think about that. You know what I mean? Or do just dunks it and plays defense. Yeah. Okay, I was talking with JT about this on his show. I don't know when at some point they're like, which is going to be the first big 12 school that loses a coach because of the revenue share that they use too much of the money

on the revenue share for basketball and the head football coach gets pissed. So are we everything that I've heard or seen on this, on the revenue share for basketball and the head football coach gets pissed. That's a valid thing. So are we, everything that I've heard or seen on this, there just is no Title IX for it. You either. So the Trump administration came in and revamped what the Biden administration said on the way out the door,

saying that Title IX does not apply to this revenue share. So most of the programs out there, as I understand it, between 75 and 85% of that revenue share money. So think of that between 18 and $19 million, if not more than that, is going to the football programs. And then the rest goes to men's basketball and maybe on down a little bit to other programs. Well, I'll be, not to be, you know,

it's a tough conversation to have the idea that without Title IX, where will women's programs find themselves? Where will men's tennis find itself? Where will cross-country find,? If you're going to be equitable with this and give the equestrian girl the same as you give the cross-country guy, cool, but you're not. You're going to give this entire load to football. But Title IX has already gotten rid of a lot of baseball programs and a lot of men's soccer programs. That's kind of already started happening.

Nick Wave, Nick, say hello. I will say though, that as far as like the thing that I think is also being talked about this is like, Cody mentioned 15 guys play basketball, a basketball player plays 35 minutes a night plays both ways. They're functionally a fifth of the team out there their whole time they're playing a single linebacker might not even play every deep into snap of a football game. If you're an investor in these programs, you know, like I got a million to put down, right? Paul talks all the time about like how great West Virginia would be if he hit the

lottery, right? Like, where are you going to put it? Where makes the bigger difference? We just as Houston, we just saw how fun a Morse Madness run can be. Like, where does that go? I mean, imagine if you want to also get larger, the money you can make in football so much that you win a national championship in one versus the other basketball versus football, that gap is still massive, you would way rather be good at football than basketball. Correct. But the person investing the money in the pro this person spending the money in the program, because this is all in a L. D. House settles, right? That's about

what they're going to enjoy. And what are they going to enjoy? What impact do they have? My two million dollars. Do we actually think the house though, when they do get that passed where they're gonna have that group that is going to basically, oh, this NIL deal is good and that one's overvalued. Do we actually think that's gonna hold up

or is just one kid gonna sue them and then that's gonna go away? There's gonna be an injunction filed almost immediately. Because as soon as that does happen, then what's stopping go away. There's gonna be an injunction filed almost immediately. Right, because as soon as that does happen, then what's stopping a school from saying, like think about going back to Nebraska and Matt Ruhl, he's probably pissed because they're probably using

a good amount actually on like volleyball, right? But what is stopping a school if the NIL is okay from just having a big money donor that says, hey, I'll fund your entire basketball team. And that way you can use all of the rev share on football and the Olympics Or like vice versa or like use On these sports and be great at these sports and I will fund the football team, right? Like yeah, why couldn't you just work it around that way if like for instance Teeboon Pickens was like still thing with Cody, right?

I Mean we're getting the benefits from wrestling the guy who's putting up all the money for Oklahoma State Wrestling has nothing to do with Oklahoma State. He just wants to see a school down the road, get more marketability, and bring tournaments in the state of Oklahoma to a bigger picture. So he's going to continue footing the wrestling bill, regardless of what happens with all this,

because it benefits his other business at UCO. But to Derek's point, if Deloitte the third party that's supposed to vet all these NIL deals, Nick says that I can guarantee a lawsuit filed by Oklahoma State University in this booster to say, yeah, try, try enforcing us not being able to fund this program. Watch us. One other twist I was hearing somebody talk about the other day, while I was having a conversation with him was, so you see like the Cavender twins,

you see people like this who have these insane social media followings in schools are going to be known. Cavender twins would win the Heisman for what it's worth. They would go to the college football playoff because absolutely. And if you didn't hear today's latest news, uh, what, what's the Miami quarterback's name now? They hate Carson Beck and they're no friends. Not a good person. Somebody sent me that clip earlier. I'm like, why am I watching this? But so, you know, I think partially what you can offer some of these people that maybe

not get a ton of rev share or NIL money is the opportunity to build your social media profile and make money that way because I think you know if you have a specific plan for that it gives you a kind of a step ahead of some others. I would also ask on the whenever the house thing settles I see a handful of good basketball programs here in JT and I would point out that there's a whole conference here that what the Cody in you let Oklahoma State get it yeah have you been paying attention to what we've been doing? Mike Boynton's a great head coach JT. West Virginia baseball 30 and 4 but what I was gonna say is there's a whole conference that's actually really good at basketball has you know most recent back-to-back champion and doesn't have football in it Those schools seem like as far as like competing for basketball goes,

that's that's been a pretty big step, like leg up. They don't have enough money coming in in L. But it's just it's just 20 million from house that that's a lot. It's all going fast. I forgot you guys lost that. And it just I thought about it again. And it still hurts me. You're up by so much. You're going to win the game. And you just did. You would forget about it, too, if you watch the show. We hosted guys have ever seen it. I've never seen

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it. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I got like 750 grand. Thanks a lot, Parker. I don't need to be that guy. But all right now basketball things like almost 9 million right now we're doing right. Which which I would have been 10 for Houston for Duke for Indiana got Haggerty footballs better. But for those schools and Duke has already mentioned this, they're just going to sell out for basketball. What if instead of paying 10 for basketball and 15 for football, we just did 25 for basketball and built the greatest college team of all time.

Oh, basketball conference. Isn't that the Big East in a nutshell? That's, yes, but they don't have to lie to us. How many programs would actually do that outside of Kansas? Duke would for sure. Duke would for sure. I think more than you would anticipate. Just because winning in football, it's very difficult to do. But if you can overload your basketball roster, I don't want to say it's an easier path,

but it seemingly is a little bit of an easier formula. Unless something you thought initially... If you're going to have to dump all of your money into one particular sport, you might as well get rid of football to some degree. the- the- the- the- the- the- Yeah, I mean, Cody makes a great point here that the there are 10 teams, 10 programs in college football, they can win a championship. That's it. That's the way that we built modern college football. There are about 10 schools that could get away with Oregon should be and they still can't. A&M should be and they still can't like they're outside looking into that 10 which is crazy. Like Michigan, Ohio State, LSU, Alabama, that list is tight. And none of us are really knocking on on that door right now and financially we can't and the stipulations to win a championship are getting tougher and tougher for schools like us. I don't have the ability to put up the graphic of the worst person I know made a great point, but it also applies to what Drake just said. much, JT. This has been, it always will be thanks to JCatch, Locked On Cougars, Parker Ainsworth, Locked On Cougs, Cody Stovall, Talking All Things Oklahoma State, Mountaineer Paul, with West Virginia Nick Maravetz, Locked On Cyclones, Derek and JT with the Jayhawks and the Utes. This has been Honk That Train. Honk? Locked On.

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