Locked On Jayhawks - Daily Podcast On Kansas Jayhawks Football & Basketball - BIG 12 SQUAD - How Big 12 Coaching Carousel Impacts Kansas Jayhawks

Episode Date: February 27, 2025

Coaching chaos and conference shake-ups are rocking the college sports world. Will the Utah Utes' decision to fire Craig Smith backfire, or is it a strategic move? Dive into the latest buzz around the SEC's potential championship format changes and what it means for the Big 12's future.Join Cam, JT, and the crew as they dissect the implications of these coaching changes, featuring names like Scott Drew and Bill Self. The conversation heats up with speculation on super conferences and the role of TV markets in shaping the landscape. Jake Hatch weighs in on the NIL controversies surrounding BYU, adding another layer to the discussion.Curious about how these developments could reshape college sports? Tune in for insider insights and lively debates that you won't want to miss.

Scott Drew's going to Indiana, Bill Self going back to Oklahoma State, Darian DeVries going to Iowa, and Craig Smith gonna coach the Lakers. Let's talk about it on the Big 12 Squad. You're talking ball with the Big 12 Squad. From Oklahoma State to Utah, from Kansas State to BYU, from Houston to Texas Tech, it's the local experts of the Locked On Podcast Network bringing you scoops, breakdowns and the most comprehensive preview of the upcoming Big 12 weekend. Buckle up, it's the Big 12 Squad and we have a seat for you.

Know her feelings and thin skin allowed. Squad up, you're part of the Big 12 Squad. We have got the Big 12 Squad for you on a Thursday afternoon. You guys know the drill, but I might as well just introduce them anyway. Jake, you can't dispatch Hatch from Locked On BYU. Cody just learned what LDS means. Stovall coming at you.

Nick, the Mime, Marovetzets Robin Leach Colin lifestyles of the Richie Bradshaw he teaches he coaches Parker Ainsworth locked on Cougs and JT Worcester Sil. Well played. Cam what did you Cam what did you do to Drake? Did you do, what did you do? Look, we've all heard what's going on with these government jobs. Drake Toll has become redundant in this economy. He did not kill him when he did last week. He got gouged.

It's something that had to happen to really create the efficiency of the entire Big 12. Not just one show. All he had to do was send that email and tell everybody what he was doing. Come on now. But alas. the efficiency of the entire Big 12. Not just one show. Yeah, all he had to do was send that email and tell everybody what he was doing. Come on now. But alas.

In fairness, in fairness, Locked On did tell us not to respond to that email. So. That's true, man. It's sad that Drake had to get punished for the rest of us, but you know, it's a sacrifice we're willing to make. It was between that and Drake Toll's plane was shot down over the Sea of us, but you know, to sacrifice we're willing to make. It was between that and Drake Toll's plane was shot down over the sea of Japan. But I don't think we have many MASH fans

that are watching this every Thursday. It is the big problem. I think it's my reference. I thought you were referencing this year. Honestly guys, I got that from Family Guy, which then learned that it was from MASH, which I think that's how I've learned most of my cultural references was initially

for the first eight or 10 seasons of Family Guy. So it's the big 12 squad. Look guys, we have got coaches going all over the place. I do wanna start with this though. Jake been mired in some controversy. It all runs through the state of Utah. It all runs through Utah because now all kinds of controversy

from the Arizona crowd and their vulgar chant towards the great people of Mormonia as we call it Utah and Provo and for this we must hear from our expert can we hear from locked on Arizona Wildcats? Richie? Don't you dare. No, maybe next week, maybe next week we will hear from that Jake has picked up the pieces. He is here to be with us. And of course, as everything runs through Utah, Craig Smith, I mean, can we take a moment please? Because yesterday or Monday was the last day that we had the two big time Utah college basketball coaches being named Craig Smith and Kevin Young, which to me is absolutely

perfect. The only thing that would be more perfect would be bring them young and Joseph Smith. But we move on. Craig Smith canned at Utah. JT Wistersell. What the hell? Yeah, I don't like the timing of it. I think you let him finish out the season.

I mean, firing a coach after he's less than two weeks removed from upsetting both Kansas and Kansas State, I think is a bad move. But the writing had been on the walls that this was not going to end well, probably, for Craig Smith for a while. Him missing the NCAA tournament last year was a really difficult pill for Utah fans to swallow. And there was also some, there's a lot of reports out there that he

had alienated some boosters. There was some, just the lack of even this year, even though you're winning games, the lack, there's a couple of disappointing losses too. So the missing and recruiting that Craig Smith was probably going to not make it to next year, but I can, I just don't like the decision not to let him finish out the year. I think he earned that opportunity. The fact that this team is 10th right now, he earned the opportunity to finish it. Utah said, we're gonna get a jump on the coaching search,

so we'll see where it goes from here. And yet I think Bobby Hurley's got a lifetime contract. Yes. He's got pictures of somebody, Richie, right? Am I right? I guess, man, it's funny that JT says that you know fans were upset they didn't go to the tournament it's like I don't remember what to the tournament man the white one now out here yes the

tournament versus a tournament a very intentional difference there we got five stars down here and they're like yeah no we don't we don't do that here is this we don't know i still around it is yeah it's g5 only though anymore i think that's too bad i love that they're the ones that play like the three game final uh-huh yeah love that absolutely love that shout out to the cbi as someone who grew up around boston i'm very aware of the cbi with the Boston College Eagles, for sure. But this coaching carousel is kind of already spinning

in the Big 12. Now there's interest from Scott Drew to Indiana. I will ask Lockdown Baylor host Cam Stewart, where is that coming from? I don't know, Bob. I could see why Indiana wants Scott Drew, but not necessarily the other way around. Chat, chat, is Indiana still a premier job?

Here's gonna happen is clearly he's gonna go to Indiana, have a good year and a half crazy scandal, five years in the pros come to Houston. That's how it's gonna work out. Just like it always does. Just like it always does. I'm an L in the chat, fam. L's in the chat for Parker's takes. Well, okay, but Cody Stovall, apparently you guys are trying to still build self for like three weeks in the summer? Like what's going on here, man?

Things could have worked out if... Yeah, things could have worked out. If... Worked out is the very operative phrase there yeah I had Cody is it truly one of the best country clubs in the world listen here's what here's what I'm gonna say is that it yes yes I now as far as golf courses go yeah it's the cream de la creme it's the NCAA championships was held there for a long time. And Boone Pickens just had a part of his endowment that's supposed to go back towards Carston.

So they're going to be adding to it. Well, one thing I did want to say real quick, though, when JT was saying with the timing, he didn't love it here in Oklahoma State country. We're in rebuild basketball mode. But one of the biggest complaints that we have is that the roster is not very good because we hired Steve Lutz very late in the process. When, you know, when you get there towards the end, we got a bunch of gritty guys that

are good at defense, but we don't have any shooters. And from the NIL dollar bills, if we would have gotten a coach earlier, we probably would have been in on more guys on the transfer portal. So the problem with waiting is you get stuck in this situation when you're in a rebuild and you're completely deficient in the offensive side of the equation, and you can't really be mad about it because of how late it came in the process.

That's totally fair. I just don't think it would have ended for, like, Utah. I think we're talking, like, literally just two weeks from now when he probably would have been. They moved on from him anyways. I think he'd earn the opportunity to keep his job, try and go on a run. This team's beaten BYU on the year, they've beaten Kansas and they've beaten Kansas State. Like to me they earned the opportunity to finish it out but you're not wrong Cody. They felt it was time to move on and it one thing that is absolutely true too about Craig Smith is the fans soured on him.

So the trying to get more NIL resources bring all that in that the basketball program will be reinvigorated with a new coaching hire. It feels like especially because it sounds like they're leaning towards an alumni in the very very very early stages of this. And that's coming from a man who plays so hard he sprains his damn ankle. Man can we get him in uniform, brother? Like this is this could be Kayla's double. Sure. I don't know if I can go as hard as someone with a Boston accent up there. I don't know if you got maybe the town guy, then a hardwood guy. I don't know. But hey,

not a huge fan of town. I could we I think that's our third segment since we don't amount in your ball is just power. No dad story. With a dad story? Power ranking boss I can do that man. That would be so much fun for me Parker. That would be like special interest type of stuff How about damn that? I don't really like the town Any genre that's my all-time favorite movie favorite movie. I think it's kind of a dumb movie. Really? Any genre. That's my all time favorite movie. Is he a Boston

guy? Curveball? Richie Bradshaw, wannabe Charlestown guy, wannabe townie. Who's car we gonna take? Yeah, here we go. Anyway, Big 12 football. It's gonna happen this year but they're probably not going to have a three-game weird conference tournament but somebody will what's that gonna do for college football let's do it next on the big twelve squad future

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trust and a real impact. This is the future of college sports. Join it now by downloading ROY and supporting your favorite players. Gentlemen, I don't know if you've heard this, but the SEC is playing football now. What? They've taken it up. Wait, hypothetical or real football? Hypothetically? Is it different? Hypothetically speaking, it's great. Hypothetically speaking, it's real and it's fantastic. Okay. And they are so like, so put their noses up in the

air to us that they're like conference championship game. Excuse me me and now introduced what is probably gonna be three games in conference championship we get maybe even four games to decide those little little thing of the auto bids to the college football playoff that we talked about at the squad show last week is this sneaky brilliant is this kind of a sneaky brilliant move by the SEC give them credit dude I'm right there that it's like Nick wants to talk shut up shut up yeah yeah let me have a floor with this one everyone knew right now yeah this I really hope this is a step towards best of three conference championships how cool would

that be hey so what but see that's not the thing. No, it's not. It's not a best of three. That would cause brain damage. But what it is, is seeding your I mean, it is guys, the NFL, you're gonna find out soon enough when the NFL goes to a 21 game schedule. Oh my gosh. What could happen? What's the worst? Well, helmet technology has gotten so good, mine as well. Scraping to off the field with a small cloud man. Hey, SEC guy just means more. Oh yeah, that is true. It does just mean more.

So if this happens, if we go to this three or four game thing to see your AQs or whatever you want to do it, it's only it's no matter what happens any year, it's only gonna get more SEC teams in the playoff. And if you're in another conference like the big 12, how do you, how do you ignore that? How do you not say like, we gotta do something like this? Well, and I guess to your point there, Cam, is that the big 12, Brett, your mark,

I'm sure he's looking at and saying, okay, how do I spin this where we can utilize it ourselves? Because we all know that the SEC is gonna throw its weight around. The bigger thing for the Big 12, I think, is to make sure that they get as many top tier teams in the national conversation as possible. And that means teams have got to win and got to win at a high level and more importantly, got to win with style as well. So I wanna play off of that.

Okay. What do you have to do if you're a big 12 team and you're the big 12 conference to get to that point where you do start generating the conversation that in Alabama or Georgia does, because what they do in their tournament is going to overshadow whatever the big 12 tries to do in their tournament, even if we execute it better, we'd have the better teams. It doesn't matter because there's not that super brand name. So how do you counter that? Jake Hatch, you have something to say.

I've got an idea here. No, no, I've got an idea here. Wait, wait, wait, Parker, we have to introduce Parker properly, state champion Parker Ainsworth now talking. Ooh, hey, there's the next show. Yes, notice how quickly he had that, there's the matchup. Yes. Notice how quickly he had that. He has so many.

He was on already. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Put it over his shoulder. The ring hadn't come in yet, but I wanted to do one of these. I hadn't come in yet.

What? Wait, whoa. What was that? What? You want one of these with the ring on your hand? You want one of these? Got to get you one of these, right? No.

I got that part. I got that part. Shout out FNL. Did anyone else think he was speaking? Anyway, go ahead. the if I, if I, that's the leg deficiency syndrome. Oh yeah. All of Jake's listeners tuning in. As compared to the other day. So y'all want way too rational with comparing how to get a three game playoff, three game playoff. Let's just make it even walk here.

Let's have a full 16 team bracket. Let's do like extra points from like the three yard line. Like let's just do that two point conversion. We should just play Canadian rules. Yeah, super weird as we have those hosers are those hosers annoy the crap out of me, but they got some things right in football. I gotta give it to me the Rouge. Give me the Rouge.

I need the yes. I love some Rouge in my life, man. I love a deep ball touchdown from the one yard line. That's what I'm like the big 12 12 should have capitalized on that 10 years ago when it was just nobody was playing defense. They should have been like, you know what? Canadian. Three downs. Let's do this thing. Yeah, if we change the rules of football and play Big 12 football,

then can we be the best at that? Like, we can't beat the SEC at normal football. I mean, an American team did win the Grey Cup once, but... I think most of the time time we'll do okay. Baltimore whatever they were, yes the Baltimore Stallions. Hey if the reports are to be believed it's not going to be the Big 12 or it'll be the Allstate 12 or whatever. I mean it's just we're talking about all these changes like I don't know about that eventually. Oh that's still a thing huh?

You know what's funny is that sounds cool. It's funny that JT circles back around to that with all of the instability happening right now to some degree in every other conference not named the Big Ten in the SEC. I think that in all of this, we're forgetting that we have Brett Yormar. This is the same dude that decided to partner with the WWE and turn the Big 12 Championship into this massive event.

Maybe it's gonna take Undertaker or somebody coming down from the ceiling, dominating for the Big 12 championship. I love it, Cody, WWE style. Thank you. It's like team's gotta do it every year, man. Put a cage matchup at halftime. That is way better than a 75-year-old Nelly lip-syncing. And all of the mascots from the Big 12,

it's just a flat-out brawl. Yes. One wins. the big twelve eights. And all of the mascots from the big twelve eights just a flat out all. Yes one wins. You. Can we all agree. Are you just that happy. I'm so into this. Powers does a son double half. Can we all agree if we did a locked on host Royal Rumble the the bar. None of that. None of that. We're just going to mountain do. It's not close. If we do a raw rumble, I'm just going straight

for Drake. I don't care what else happens. I don't care if I sprained my ankle, man. It's personal for JT. They can be totally outmatched. He's like, I don't care. I'm going right. JT's the first guy over the ropes, but he went after Drake in the first. What is this? it's JT with yourself with a steel chair. He's not even participating. He's not even on the card. He ripped the chair out. Yeah if they just get my last name right I'd be happy. Honestly. Folks this is not part of the entertainment tonight. JT Wistersoll going rogue in a big 12 championship somehow locked on host octagon.

Does JT not have a cam does JT not have a little bit of what was that referee? The celebrity death match or whatever y'all remember that like like a sure nation. Yeah, JT could be our guy. He could be the villain of the big 12. I'm I can be the villain of the Big 12 squad. WWE. I got no problem with that. I like it.

I'm going after locked on Arizona in the Royal Rumble. You hear that locked on Arizona. I'm coming for you. Do we have confirmation that exists? Do we have confirmation that exists? It exists. It exists in one point. It's a thing.

Oh my God. All right. It's a whole thing. I will go after Simcox even though he doesn't come on the show because I really like Simcox. Okay, but I'm not going to do it. Locked on Arizona. I'm coming for you. See, I can't, I can't even, I probably couldn't even bench the bar right now. But if I don't even know if this guy exists, I'm feeling pretty good about myself. Yeah, Locked on Arizona, but I went up to 10 hours ago. This is a real thing.

Was it longer than 10 minutes though. This is a real thing. Was it longer than 10 minutes though? It's 25. I was gonna ask, is locked on Baylor's Host tall enough to get into this? I don't, do we have a high requirement? Like that's, I don't know. Same thing with Spencer,

I'm with Spencer and me. Whoa. Cody's got some extra prosthetics. I put those on the bottom of my foot. That's right. And I'm good. Wait. Okay. You put them on your job behind bars after. Take Cody's prosthetics,

Mountaineer Paul's prosthetics, his dad, and we got a whole like thing going on here. It should do numbers at least to some degree. By the way, I really hope after Mountaineer Paul's dad sadly passed on that in tribute, you know, you like spread a loved one's ashes over something. I really hope they just put his synthetic,

the arm just back at the gas station cooler. Yeah. Yeah. With a soft top. I'm not gonna lie to you guys. I was trying to break down that story for like four or five days afterwards. It is the-

So many Twitter- He was in a rush, but he needed to get a soda. And then he already goes to get the soda instead of just continuing on with it. He's like, screw it. I gotta go. I gotta go. That was a man. I had a shark.

Yeah, that was a fishing lure. Richie. I have not gotten to break it down that one yet. We still have a couple of times and maybe I'll just bring them all to MP next week when he's back. But I've got to, I've got to really analyze all that comes out of his mouth. I'm such a fan. Um, you know what I'm not a fan of the big 10 sec super conference, but who amongst us is going, let's talk about it next on the Lockdown Big 12 Squad. Hey, life moves fast, especially when you have a family. One day you're watching your kids take their first steps

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The super conferences are they in the room with us right now? The super conferences are coming sooner rather than later. It does feel like an inevitability. Can I just ask this? I'm going to pose this question first. Anybody watch the Monte show? I watched pieces of it. Yes. The Monte show, which is, which is a favorite of the crowd. They had the chance to go full Monty on the show, but he was so unfull that they were like, we can't, we can't lie to our listeners like that. We can't make people think this is a real show. Monty Show has all this information. He's just not going to tell you yet that the Big Ten and the SEC are forming super conferences

and the Big 12 teams will have a chance to apply. Hold on. In five years, which one of us is gonna be on a locked on super conference squad? Hey, Cam, wasn't it, isn't that the same Monty Show that said that the Pac-12 was way better than the Big 12? Anyone saying that the Big 12 was going to add teams was completely crazy. I hate we've got people on that. We've got people checking that out. Okay. Okay. It might be a different Monte. Notice JT is not defending the big 12 over the pack 12. Richie. Because it's

a stopover for us in Utah. He's like, I want the American back. So your question, he was going to the super conference. Wouldn't it be poetic if it was locked on Arizona? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Just dogging them. Look, the guy's got a fan base. The guy's got a fan base. I will say for as much as I'm labeled as the anti-Big 12 guy, I think every brand in here would get in a super conference.

The only one I have paws over would be Houston, but I think that they are trending in the right direction with football and basketball is good too. I'm sorry. Yeah, Houston. The same Houston that beat you, we beat you this year. We doubled you up in basketball. We beat you in football.

What do you want? I'll hold him up with nuts. Brand power, that's all I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, Houston sucks to suck. All I know is JT's so predictable. I knew exactly who he was referring to when he tied that up. Literally, everyone on the screen,

you're the only one we beat. Like, what are you doing there? JT, this is the wrong Cougars you're supposed to pick on, I thought. Like, come on. Well, Jake, we could talk about an IL report about your Cougars if you want to. We can talk about Cougars whenever, man. the man. Come on now. We got the Provo push going on in these parts. Let's go. You've heard about soaking. You never heard about the Provo push.

We got time. Just got us all fired. I think we're missing out on their poll. We didn't know Jake Hatch was coming through. Yeah. Just like the Monty show. I'm just going to hold it and not actually tell you anything that's actually the truth. So, you know, you're getting a face time. Hey, real it was I hey, is there anyone in the big 12 if there was a super conference that was built Is there any school that wouldn't get the invite? I want to hear from you guys. I think most of us would not get the invite

Way out of it right now There would be like five of us that would maybe get the invite. I maybe I know I'm there. The talks that have been talked about have been talked about being like huge and massive. I feel like Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Arizona State, WIU is getting in, and I'd like to say I do think Houston would get in. I just think they're the one I look at that I would have questions about if they would. It's the major metropolis.

JT is like Clemson? No, but I'm really going after JT in the Royal Rumble. There is what there's one time zone in this country that does not have an SEC or Big Ten squad right now. It's the Mountain Time Zone. ASU, BYU, Utah and Arizona. Watch out for those four because of the fact they can bring that TV window into effect. You can drop that last one, man. Great point. Yeah, well, they're pretty bigoted, so we'll leave them out. You call yourself the dirty T and you want me to respect you. That's all I got. Rich, now you don't have to use the dirty P.

I've heard that. I've heard it referred to as that. Provo push. Provo push. I'm not over that. I love that. Trying to as that. The Provo push. Provo put I'm not over. I love that. Trying to get pushed at 30 P. I love when you talk Nick. That's what I love. So get in baby. Every now and then we don't have mountain or Paul.

Why don't we get a Nick dad story? Yeah. I was going to say who's, who's got the bad story, Nick? I think this would be fitting. My dad's got a crazy, crazy story just of a life, you know, like goes from the Navy, you know, teaching, he's teaching at Purdue Naval aviation. Then he's an Emmy with John Deere. Then all of a sudden drops it all becomes a doctor. It's like, Whoa, those are some big shoes to fill.

Don't here I am from a camera. Let's do that. Yeah. What does your dad think when, when you were like, dad, I'm going gonna be on podcast. Yeah, he's like I'm so glad that I did everything in my life. What's a podcast? This moment for my son Camera your dad's from you served in the Navy. He's taught at Purdue. He's What else it said Emmy and then he has it being a doctor. Yep, then he's a doctor. It's Purdue. He's what else? He said Emmy and then he has to be in a doctor. Yep. Then he's a doctor. It's me. Yep. And my son talks about a game. Unbelievable.

Unbelievable. And it's like every day. And now it's well, and Nick's on the podcast. We'll see if he talks today. Yeah. He'll just do as well. Wait till your dad gets to the third segment. He's going to be blown away. I know. I know he's going to be like,

thank God I stuck with it this week. Lighten it up. I've heard he's a big locked on Big 12 Squad fan. In fact, he was the first one to email said, that's Duke Stadium in the intro. Very observant. He was way on top of that. How can you not be a fan of this?

We don't talk about anything. It's amazing. Can I bring up a hard hitting topic that needs to be said? Oh God, it's mine. No. I want to know about the Provo push too, JT. Why did Drake not send in a video? All he does is clown.

We do have a video we can play. He didn't send in a video. Full squad, got a quick football focus question for y'all. He brought that upon yourself, sir. Did you guys really think I was going to miss out on the opportunity to. Can we just play a random party animals video? Is that is that our great video? A random party? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Drake is he playing home improvement to come then come on with us. Shane. I. I saw a video of the bananas dancing as they were throwing a pitch the other day

and I thought, man, Drake does this every day for half a year. Like four times a week. I just like, wow. You look like a pimp from an 80s cartoon doing it. Yeah, yeah. He's doing it man, he's doing it. Any other serious points you guys wanna bring up?

What was that point? Video? Yeah. Actually, I think it's worth bringing up. Jake, what did you make of the report that came out about the NIL with BYU? Let's see. We got two guys who are no longer in the program.

And one's very disaffected because he transferred to Purdue and already had an ax to grind. The other one was he? The other one was what? Locked on Purdue. Lock locked on honorary or Purdue guy for the and the other guy was actually working with the alternate NIL collective. So I don't get why these two are the spokespersons for 121 other guys in the BYU football program.

Hey, alas, it gets clicks, it gets a newspaper, some extra, you know, subscribers maybe to pay that paywall and you call it a day. You got to keep newspapers alive. I want to know why this is like the second or third different story though about BYU and sketchy stuff like that. That at some point, smoke and fire, right? Those things like, I don't know. Hey, AJ DeBond's pattern. AJ DeBond's smoke's smoke fires up there. Cody, that's the other team in Utah. Tell them about it JT.

Wait one more time Cody, what'd you say? Yeah, exactly. The dude's so nice that it sounds incredibly smug when he asks a question. I mean that is unbeknownst. I know. He's sounds incredibly smug when he asks a question. What else would you pick from an LDS? I know, he's got a smug face. But not that kind of LDS. I gotta say, I love when we get pissed off Jake, for lack of a better word.

He's coming for a couple of the media outlets out in Utah. I love it, I love it. Oh yeah. Can we give him that Provo push? Yeah, we'll talk more about the Monty show if you want at some point down the line. Hey, speaking of dads, does anyone know, the They both named their kids after Cameron indoor stadium. So how do you think he liked it when one of the kids is on a podcast part time? Nick, I didn't know that Bobby Hurley Jr. was named after.

Yeah, it's crazy. Actually, he named it for, he named a girl with that. So tough life. You don't see that with Jake. That makes more sense. I thought Bobby Hurley Jr. was kind of tongue in cheeks. Nick Marovitz locked on cyclones.

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I don't know, make them your first, second, third, 16th listen every day, just as long as you're listening to them every day. And you can find us here every week on what's it called again? The big 12 squad. Don't say grime. I nailed it, right?