Locked On Jayhawks - Daily Podcast On Kansas Jayhawks Football & Basketball - Big 12 SQUAD - How Kansas Jayhawks are Impacted by Incoming Spring Game Changes

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

Spring football games could revolutionize college sports. Could Deion Sanders' proposal to pit teams against each other in spring games breathe new life into the tradition? The "Big 12 Squad" podcast tackles this intriguing idea, exploring the NCAA's rejection and the potential benefits for player evaluation and fan engagement.The episode also dives into the complexities of the transfer portal and NIL deals, with insights from Parker, Kevin, and guest Spencer from "Locked On College Football." They discuss the impact on smaller schools and the need for regulation. Financial challenges in conference realignment are also on the table, with Paul offering a unique perspective on West Virginia's approach to NIL and revenue sharing.Don't miss this engaging discussion on the future of college football and the evolving landscape of the sport. Tune in for expert analysis and insider perspectives.

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Squad up, you're part of the Big 12 Squad. Welcome back to the Big 12 Squad. We have major substitute teacher vibes as we're here tonight for the Big 12 Squad. Listen, there's a big dispute between Baylor and BYU over some transfer of sorts. And so we got is Cam and Jake are actually fighting it out. And as a show for BYU that is a Baylor alum, Drake is actually having to mediate it.

So we got the B team here tonight. And Mountaineer Paul is dying with the hand up. There's all kinds of stuff going on here. Paul, I'll call on you as a substitute teacher tonight. What you got? Why is West Virginia not mentioned in the intro? I think not. I think we have room for Duke.

That's Mountaineer Paul. He's joined by JT Wistersill. We got Nick, new guy, and we got Kevin and Cody all here for the Big 12 Squad Show. Again, B is for best, right? That's why I got the B team here. Speaking of best, I wanna intro this by going into an idea. It is spring, it is football.

We're not gonna talk about basketball at all. Nothing ever happened to basketball. Basketball did not happen. As I am Parker Angell, host of Lockdown Cougs. Kevin, a very good idea, perhaps even Deion Sanders' best idea, I might argue, has been nixed. Now, I don't know,

I've never seen anyone stop Deion Sanders on a football field, and so I don't know how they're gonna stop this, but what's this whole deal? I mean, it's springtime. Y'all aren't playing spring football games unless you're playing somebody else Yeah, so the idea is Dion Sanders issued merch for everyone in the conference

No, I'm just kidding. The idea was a spring game against I believed it whatever you said I was believing But the idea was a spring game against another team to sort of, one, keep the tradition alive of spring games. Because as we know, across the country, there is an epidemic of teams saying, I don't want to play a spring game because, A, we'll have players get poached, or B, because the season is longer and we want to give guys a rest.

The NCAA gave out probably the most pathetic statement I've ever seen. And I mean, we'll just go through it, right? The three reasons they gave were, it was an unfair advantage to Colorado and Syracuse who put them in the squad show intro instead of Duke. They're the wrong ACS&18, right? It's Syracuse in the intro, but it gave them an unfair advantage. It was too short notice because at the time there was about a month until Colorado's spring

game. Colorado's spring game is on April 19th. It's going to be on ESPN2. And then the third one, and I think this is my most favorite because there was this whole little tournament. Parker's team just lost it. Most of our teams weren't in it. It's called March Madness. I don't know if you've heard of it, but it's this whole basketball tournament. It's this whole thing. It's kind of popular, right? It happens during the school semester, the spring semester, but hey, they were worried that students were gonna miss classes

for this spring game, even though it was probably gonna be on a Saturday. So heaven forbid they missed a Friday class, which 90% of these guys take online classes or don't take their own classes for themselves anyway, if we're being realistic. But those were the reasons that NCAA gave. So as usual, the NCAA is just pissing their...

Anytime they have a chance to do something that could be productive. The comment you made on the rest, is that actually like, did they mention that? Because that is, that's absolutely ridiculous because the spring practices are way harder in the spring games these guys play. So was rest actually a reason we're not having a spring game?

So those are like the reasons that other programs have, right, like the programs that made the playoff. Texas, Ohio State, they made the playoff so they don't want to play a spring game. The NCAA basically said- Who buys that by the way? Like who thinks that's part of the reason? A load.

As someone who hasn't played a football game since November, I don't buy it at all. And that's why we're giving out good idea stickers, though. I do want to segue for other people, not the NCAA, the NCAA was three reasons I gave Cody, Mike Gundy, again, full of ideas all the time, actually supported Deion Sanders, because you know, I'm sure he and Deion are super close agree on most things, right? Mike Gundy was in favor of this too. And I feel like we got both the Gundys of the world and the

Sanderses of the world. We should be cooking with gas here, right? Well, if you're talking about the Big 12, the coaches that draw the most eyeballs, I think you're talking about the two most, and Deion Sanders and Mike Gundy, yeah, take that, JT. And you know what? Mike Gunney is right. He basically said, who gives 13 flying flips with the mother truck and NCAA has to say they are a worthless, spineless, feckless, pointless entity that does absolutely nothing for the sport of college football anymore. Mike Gunney said what who's going to prevent us from just rolling out and having a game? I think Mike Gunney is dead on which sets up for

somebody somebody is going to do this game. I think Mike Gunney is dead on, which sets up for somebody. Somebody is going to do this. And Parker, I think you didn't even mention it. If you just do it and then what? Sue the NCAA? If you're a transfer, you can sue the NCAA and win. If you're a former player, you can sue the NCAA and win. If you're a team that's been caught doing illegal recruiting, you can sue the NCAA and win. So why is anybody worried about the NCAA's opinion on the extra academic opportunities? But it's a bunch of malarkey and we all know it. I love this school that can't read good talent, extra academic opportunities. I also have the account of 13 flying

clips by doing all 10 of Deion Sanders fingers and all three of his toes 13 right there. Nick, mostly because I don't hear your voice very often. Parker, can I bring this up really quick? Division two level teams do play spring games against each other. That happens in the division two level. Just wanted to throw that out there. Well, I mean, more academic institutions clearly

than the school of, no, joking a little bit on the academic institution part of this, probably shouldn't throw too much shade there. Nick, I mostly haven't heard your voice today and I'm yearning for some Nick M, new guy Nick. I'm not gonna go for the last name there. If Iowa State were to play someone, do you think this would be a way to market a program

that does not have a lot of visibility in the world? I mean, it's not the biggest of markets. Spring is, frankly, a better time to play a football game in Ames, Iowa, than it is in, like, November, I would assume, right? Is that on a selling point of some kind? Well, actually, Taylor Mauser was asked about it, the offensive coordinator for Iowa State, and he was like, dude, we're all for it.

That would be awesome. It's an opportunity to play someone else, kind of bash heads against a team that, like, you're not playing your defense for 14 or 15 straight practices, you get a new look. Granted, it'll be very simplified like the NFL preseason games are, but still new heads that you're taking on. As far as that market, that's exactly what I was going to say before you brought me in. It's like, that's what Iowa State kind of needs is you kind of, it's kind of like the crossover episodes we do, right? Shout out

to Locked On Crossovers, great deal there, but like you get kind of like the crossover episodes we do, right? Shout out to Locked On Crossover's great deal there, but you get kind of the fan base of, now the Iowa State, Iowa One, I think that's really cool, it probably wouldn't happen, but let's say Iowa State and Toledo is one that was thrown out with Matt Campbell having ties there. Yes, there's levels to it, but you bring in Toledo people that are looking at Iowa State and Iowa State people

that could look at Toledo. It's like, I think it's a great idea, but apparently the NCAA just hates everything. They don't like fun. So I don't know. That was the most I've ever heard from one. New guy, Nick. And I've never.

Holding it on yourself is key. That's amazing. I'm trying to be a real host here of this thing. Paul, I know you're dying, but as you're dying, West Virginia, it feels like they're going to do a similar thing and that they're going to pull out all of the stops to get people to games. I think the spring would be a great time for that. What's the West Virginia angle?

Could you play one of your many regional area teams that are not in the big 12? Yeah, actually, uh, Tony Gibson, who was a rich rods, the coordinator at some point in time, uh, is now the head coach at Marshall. Uh, he came from NC state and, uh, they, they basically brought that up like West Virginia Marshall plan and spring game, that kind of thing. And rich rods answer was, we don't even think about Marshall. We don't want them to do it. More like they're supposed to be like best friends to

friends. The cold bowl was really big. But West Virginia at this point now is 12 and O versus Marshall. We kind of little brotherdom, you know, nice flex, nice flex. Yeah. So, you know, like we enjoy the fact and I think a spring game be a great way to try to maybe bring that back because as the state loves it, right? It's a great, you know, you got two Division I programs in the state.

West Virginia, obviously, historically has had a lot of success. But I think some people forget Marshall was Boise State before Boise State was Boise State. In the 90s, they were the winningest team of the 1990s, tied with Florida. So they had a great 90s run with the national championship at the D2 level and Obviously they had the chat painting ready Moss and they had the Byron Leppard cheers So they you know they had some great years and they feel like they deserve to play West Virginia every year in a spring game Maybe a be a way to satiate both parties on that. Hey Paul really quick

I'm just listening you say that what Richard said about Marshall As a college football fan, I don't like that. Another coach is saying we don't even care, we don't think about Marshall. I don't think that's good for the sport when you have someone refusing to really like acknowledge the existence in terms of- We don't acknowledge Hawkeyes. We don't. I don't mess with it. I mean that's different because Hawkeyes are D1 level, like I'm not- P4 level, right? So they're still on that solid plane like that, but when Marshall is a lesser team just because they're not people team I think that's a bad look when you're saying like oh, we don't even think about that like I don't like that

How do you feel about that? I don't think you have all the context. You know, I mean, there's a lot of Playing in the spring game none of us no matter how good or bad you think your school is We don't have any indication on what the team's going to look like when the season starts just because of beating each other up in the spring, right? You could think that you have a phenomenal offensive line and then the season starts and you give up a ton of sacks, well, it might be just because you sucked and you didn't know that going up against your own defensive line. And not to mention, I think the 105 roster limitation is going to make the playing field much more even now than even in the years past.

Everybody's going to hate you. So your marshals of the world are in your Toledos of the world are going to give you a better indication on what your team's going to look like. I want to talk about JT, the Utah guy, talking about people being on and not on one another's level in one second, but we do need to talk to our sponsors first. Today's show is brought to you by FanDuel, which is on everyone's level,

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bit extra change on the action to make sure you head over to fandel right now Don't miss out head to the vandal calm and claim your 200 and 50 bucks back and bonus bets today All right, JT you don't like the idea of different teams playing in different levels or whatever at least comment I do like them. I don't like them not acknowledging existence. Like I said them being like, oh we don't care about that I like so all the context just the way that Paul said that rich Rod said that I think I have the quotes here I don't like them not acknowledging existence like I said them being like oh we don't care about that So I don't call the context just the way that paul said that rich rod said that I think I have the quotes here Is this is this the whole we are marshall movie or what? I mean like everyone should know who they are at this point No, you got to think about the context rich rod

Left to go to michigan The the week that what the west virginia lost a game that would have put them in the national championship, right? Pat Mackley missed the kicks. Pat White broke his thumb. It was like we were 33 and a half point favorites and he's gone for 17 years. And one of the very first questions he gets is, Hey, how would you like to play? Basically, Tony Gibson in his press conference said I had the honor to work with one of a lot of great head coaches. One of them just got hired there up to school up north. He talked about West Virginia.

I think it's time for the friends of Cold Bowl again. And then when they asked Rich Rod about that, he said, Gibby's a great friend of mine. He was a staff member and we're still dear friends. But if you think I spent one single second thinking about Marshall, we were wrong. I could care less what's going on in Huntington. And-

Reference, that was not the last time Pat McAfee missed for what it's worth. He misses a little bit every day, it feels like. Kevin- Wow. Be careful, he's getting sued. Wait, what? Allegedly.

If you say allegedly enough, it's okay, right? Allegedly. Allegedly misses a lot. Also, this is totally Drake Toll, host of Lockdown Big 12 for the Big 12 Squad. That's who you're suing. Kevin, this is all started by Deon Sanders, and he is not immune to being in the news for any stretch of time. It feels like he always is. Is this just a way to keep his name in the news with Travis Hunter and his son leaving? I mean, I guess they're kind of both almost his kids and one other kid also is leaving that we don't ever talk about.

Like what is this just a, hey, let's keep talking about Colorado as they keep pushing the envelope here. I think there's an aspect to that, an element to that, right? He brought this up last year for whatever reason, it picked up a ton of traction this year. I don't know what the like the issue was,

but he brought it up last year. I remember doing episodes about like like they should play Colorado State. They could play Northern Colorado or Sacramento State or something. And like it just never like really matriculated. I think it's because he actually pursued doing it. Yeah, this year there was kind of I think Fran Brown reaching out kind of up the ante a little bit and there was like this whole movement around it. But I think realistically, the main reason to do this is one, you want

to get something out of your spring game. Like Cody mentioned, you think you could have a stellar roster. And it just turns out that half your roster sucks, right? So going up against another team at least gives you a gauge or at least gives you something to prepare for. Some guys are better in game scenarios. And two, I think it comes down to, and I don't think this is being talked about enough, we are watching college football traditions die. Every single, like, and it feels like we're losing the loyalty to programs, which I get, right?

We're losing the rivalries, we're losing conferences, and now we're losing spring games, which spring games are not the biggest event by any means, but we go, because Colorado's spring game is the 19th after April 19th. Colorado fans will not watch them play football until what is it? August 29th or whatever, whenever their game is right. So we are going months without football and this is like our last sliver of college football. And so it's really sad to see it disappear.

And I think Dion Sanders in a way, despite how hated he is, despite how polarizing he is, he's trying to save a tradition, which is ironic because I think his introduction to the power four level was like, I'm going to totally stir up traditions and do everything my way. Yeah. But actually, he does a lot of things traditionally that like older coaches are in favor of just the way he goes. His roots being in the NFL, like that's what college sports is transitioning towards. he's like let's let's just go full in on it. I love it. Well Kevin I'll tell you another reason that I don't hear brought up enough that the spring game needs to continue to be a thing is because I don't know about you guys but I grew up poor so going to regular season games wasn't going to happen all that

often so one game a year and the spring game was like the highlight of the summer. And if you completely give her the spring game, you're alienating a portion of the local fan base that isn't going to be able to go to the regular season games, let alone the playoff potential. So I think the spring game in and of itself, it's good for building your local fan base and keeping them engaged. Well, Nick brought up the idea of the professionalization of this whole thing. It feels weirdly like preseason football. There's no preseason in college football, right? There's none

of those kinds of games. Pro teams practice against one another before the preseason games happen. Big 12 teams, college football teams don't get to do that either. JT, I'm interested though, that as Utah seems to hate everything about the Big 12, I'm getting the vibe you're jiving with this and kind of rolling with the Big 12 on it, right? I totally agree with the Big 12. Like in terms of what you're talking about, like wanting to have spring games, right?

Having spring games, having spring games against other teams, like making this more of a spectacle. I think you meant just like overall happiness in the conference actually. I want spring games. I want spring games. I want spring games against each other. I think it's fantastic for the sport.

I think it's fantastic for the fan bases. There are so many memories and times I've seen people tweet now like, Oh, it was so great to go up with my family up to I'm the Utah guy. So Rice Eccles Stadium where Utah plays and watch the spring game with my family. So I am totally against these spring games getting canceled.

As soon as Texas and USC started doing this, I hated it. I think it's terrible for the sport. It's something that's fun. And it really does suck, too, just the whole element of what makes college sports just changing rapidly so much and painful to watch is how much it's changing is, I get one of the reasons being they don't want their players to get taken off their roster. It sucks, and I hate it.

It's going to happen anyway. It's going to happen anyway. I think in the spring that in a lot of games. That's gonna happen anyway. It's gonna happen anyway. I think in the spring. It's happening right now. Colorado loss running back today. And yeah. It's gonna happen regardless.

I don't think spring film. I am for spring games. Spring games should be played and I'd love them if they were played against each other. But I, that's the only reason I can get behind for why they're getting delayed is players getting taken off their roster because that's just something that's happening every day.

But once again, spring games should absolutely be played. Also Parker, you're doing a fantastic job of hosting, but we're 16 minutes into this thing and we didn't talk about what happened to your team in the national championship yet. I'm just saying. Yeah, we're not just glossing over that. I was ready to go.

What are you talking about? It's spring football time. Speaking of Pat Maggis being missing, Emmanuel Sharp did what? Well, he didn't. He did what is exactly, I think, one of the most PG thing I said on Monday night was he did what exactly.

Okay, Parker, let me take over as host real quick. Let me ask you a question. Two questions here. Here we go. This is Locked on Big 12, brought to you by Locked on Bus, Kevin Borma here. Parker, you were the only program that really gave the Big 12 a chance, right?

You took down Duke, you took down the powers that be, you kind of gave the... Nick, it's fine, relax. We know I was... I'm still hurt, okay. You're fine, you're fine. But realistically, you guys had a chance to kind of give the Big 12 something to cheer about. And it didn't happen. I have two questions. One, why is Kelvin Sampson such a unique personality, right? Right after the game, he's throwing players under the bus. He's like,

you know, Juwan was missing shots today. Normally makes those. We only had five assists. We were missing shots. Is Kelvin Sampson always a jerk? And can you guys reload and get back to this point? Right? He's old. Kelvin Sampson's like 80 or something. That feels like a big piece for... Allegedly. I'm gonna come right back in. Da, da, da, da, da, da. We're back in the D12 squad,

and I just got interrogated about a man I admire so much. Kevin, can you repeat that question because I'm a little taken aback. Yeah, which one? I mean, realistically, can Houston reload? I have three of them. OK, can Houston reload? Like, can you get back?

Why did Kelvin Sampson throw his players under the bus immediately after the loss? And he's old. Is it like just point blank? He's old. So you're asking if he can old. Like, just point blank. He's old, question mark. So you're asking if he can bring it back and if Calvin Sampson is an old asshat. We should call him Kevin, honestly.

It bothers him so much and they didn't win, it's Kevin Sampson now. Oh my God. They took that L, they took it from his name. They took it. Holy, I don't know where to start. So first of all, I will say Kelvin's always very honest. He also will tell a reporter

when he thinks their question's bad. That's kind of him. Houston's not the like national brand that some of the other Final Four teams were. So you don't see it quite as often. But Kelvin, I think one of the things I love about him is he's very, very honest. And when he tells reporters,

like you need to ask that question differently, he means it. He means you need to ask your question differently. And so I think that was just him being honest, looking at the stat sheet and being like, listen, we missed a lot of shots tonight. And he also said for what it's worth, the thing I think every fan was thinking was like, if you'd have told me that those two guys would have gone five or 20 from the floor, you had told me a way to held them to 65, you told me that we'd out rebound or whatever the different stats were, he's like, I thought we'd won and we didn't. And I think that there's like an honesty in that

that I appreciate. It is brutal. And it's frankly not like the new younger version of a coach. He is 69 years old, which is nice, but it's also he turned 70 next season. Allegedly. Very good toss in there.

I feel like he is very spry. He like dances in the locker room Like I think he's in better shape than people that I'm not gonna shape at 70. I'm doing something really really well Houston is reloading and I guess that kind of can transition to a spring transfer portal window kind of segment too because Houston's bringing in two McDonald's all-americans two different Gatorade State player of the year for their respective states They just brought in pop Isaac who was a 16 points per game guy in the transfer portal and two McDonald's All-Americans, two different Gatorade State player of the year for their respective states. They just brought in Pop Isaac, who's a 16 points per game guy in the transfer portal.

Houston is rebuilding, reloading in a way that I think is, bringing in multiple five-star guys is differently done in the past. And so I think that's the intrigue there. Their high school class compared to other high school classes is like in the top three in every different metric. I'm intrigued though, because I don't mean to be that guy. Houston's run the big 12 for the last two years.

And the competition, Cody, y'all are loading up too quietly, it looks like, over Oklahoma State. What's the deal there in Stillwater? I honestly think that some of the Texas A&M coverage of Steve Lutz potentially taking that job, I think he was able to use that as leverage and get more donors involved, which is why we catapulted this

into a very successful portal class. On3 has this as the number one transfer portal class in the country. Now they also take into consideration what players are leaving, right? And we only had one scholarship guy leaving leaving as opposed to some of the guys we had bringing in. But even 247 has us like top 15, top 16 transfer class in the country.

I do think that the historical connotations behind Gallagher, IBA are allowing people to see that you can do a lot of things at Oklahoma State. We just lay dormant for quite some time. But now we have a coach that understands X's and O's. We actually got better as the season progressed and you saw some of that in the NIT tournament. And now we're able to kind of segue into a very successful portal class. We didn't have any shooters. We just had a bunch of athletes, right? That could play basketball. Because you gave us Jovan Small.

We did. We were trying to help people out in the conference as well. I'm very excited about what is currently cooking in Cowboy basketball. I don't want to say that we're going to be back to where we used to be, but we clearly have a coach that understands how to coach. And now we're bringing in talent, which we did not have much of this previous season.

Hey, Parker. The NIT tournament is not about knitting. It's actually the next basketball tournament down. My Cougs fans might not know about of this previous season. Hey, Parker, really? The NIT tournament is not about knitting. It's actually the next basketball tournament down. My Cougs fans might not know about that one though. So I had to throw that out there. Did you get a question? Really quick, I wanted to back up two things

Parker said earlier. Me and Parker usually put heads, but me and host Parker, we're kind of getting along. You guys are the villains. Look who joined us as we're about to get a question. I was speaking of the villains. We have Sid show up. Oh wait, that's Spencer.

Sid Vicious is in the up. Oh wait, that though, as soon as spencer was really going to do was going to agree and back yo to say almost every prese so far as Houston in the year at a bare minimum, s I've had the pleasure of

coach in the past year an coach. Mac Brown, it. Like time to retire, lack of fire, lack of passion. The game I was at versus you look at Calvin Sampson. He's given it to his assistants. He's given it to the reps. He's given it to his players. Like the fire that still burns in it. Yeah. Kind of like Pete Carroll. Zero doubts it. He does look like I'm like Pete Carroll. He was that age. While we're talking about building basketball roster, Spencer, who's locked on football.

Um, I want to get to college football in one second. That it is like, uh, you know, spring football spring is about football. We're not going to talk about Monday night for too long, but I have a question from out near Paul about basketball before we get there and Paul. Do y'all have a basketball team right now? Who's on the roster? Like what's going on there? They're all in weird stuff.

We've actually gotten two really good transfers. But you have to have five on the floor. Yeah, well, I mean, that's what happens when your coach leaves in the middle of the night, doesn't tell anybody, doesn't say goodbye. His family won't text me back even though we talked all season long. It's whatever, man.

That feels personal. It is personal for me. It is. We talked every single week. Of course it's personal. Oh you were being serious. Yeah. Welcome to the show Spencer. I gotta tell you when you first said that I thought that was just like a gravitas sort of. Paul is it? No. I thought that was just Paul. I thought that was just Paul being Paul just being like, Yeah, man, I talked to the West Virginia coach all the time. I thought next year you're gonna be like, Yeah, then I went to dinner with Nick Saban that night and talk to him about the West Virginia

job, you know, which wouldn't surprise me wouldn't be the crazy story he told on this show would not be the craziest thing. Yeah, no, I mean, like, you know, I had, so basically stem from an NIL deal I did with Tucker. I got to know his uncles through that. And so we just kind of stayed buddies, you know, and we talked every single week about, you know, they were always asking me, how do you think the fans are going to react to this or that? And, you know, sometimes we just talk about life. Like I thought we were buddies for real. And so when all this started to happen,

all of a sudden, when I went into rehab, all of a sudden, one of them did had too much work going on. Nobody wanted to talk. Everybody got cagey. My thing was just like, you know, we talked for a little year, day in, day out. And you can't even say goodbye, not even to me, who I thought we were my buddies, you know. So I guess my feelings are just a little bit hurt on it, but it's just like the entire family did it all at once, you know? So, and then Tucker owed me another appearance on the show. Like there's a lot of things

that I'm not happy about with that. So unfortunately we had to deal with it and we were left in a situation where Ross Hodge comes in, we're cranking our Hodges now, baby. We're up, we're ready. Yeah, we are. Are we? This year's show's up right on time for cranking Hodges. Brendan Lorient, who was on that FAU Final 14,

really, really, really good athlete, can jump completely out of the gym. He can bounce his head off the rim. He's a good player. He still has eligibility? Yeah, yeah, he still has eligibility. And then we just got a seven-footer, which we haven't had in a long time.

And Harlan Obiola, who is one of the best offensive rebounders in the country last year. And then we are in the top five for two of the best guards in the portal. So hopefully we get one of those two. I'm just surprised that JT wanted to talk about basketball. I'm surprised that JT wanted to make jokes about players' ages. I can't believe that that's where Utah came in on this. That's crazy. What does that mean?

What do we mean by this? I mean they played a 37-year-old quarterback last year. Hey, that was in the past though. Now we don't have really a... Now they're 20-something. In honor of Spencer being on the program, I think what Mountaineer Paul was basically saying is that the DeBriese family can go suck a fluffy duck

for all he cares. Huh? Go Oregon, by the way. I know this is the first time, yeah. I bet people are wildly confused. Like, why is there an Oregon flag back there? And the answer is why don't you have one, you know? Yeah, there's all kinds of confusion here. I'm surprised that Oregon hasn't you have one? You know, I'm surprised.

There's all kinds of confusion here. I'm surprised that Oregon hasn't sent you one by the way. I mean, they literally blew up a giant duck in the river at big 10 media days last year. Like that's just. Oregon after what happened in the Rose Bowl. You know what? We're loud and proud no matter the day.

And we just take solace in the fact that eventually life will get better, we hope. You are loud? I thought you were fighting for wins, not clits. Yeah, they had 13 of them last year, which is eight more than your team, by the way. Just want to point that out. But it's also semi-relevant.

Oregon does play a big 12 team this year. It's that one right there. They get to come to the great state of Oregon. A strange connection game for me in two of the states that I have lived in my life playing on the same football field. How about that? Well, Spencer, we're playing with house money, buddy. That's the beauty of it. Oh, I'm fully expecting you guys.

Our season's way different. If you lose to Oklahoma State, you're going to be ridiculed. Tremendous. Yeah, oh no, there's no. It wasn't though. There's no doubt about it. Yeah, that's definitely a matchup

where Oregon's got a, you got, you're at home, Oklahoma State just went three and nine. It doesn't matter if you lost your entire roster from the year before Losses at odds and stadium are not tolerated But I fully expect Mike Gundy to walk in there and the first play to be a flea flicker And if it's not then why the hell are we playing the game? So Spencer if they're talking about why the hell are we playing games? I'm gonna make you the representative of all of college football as a host of lockdown college football

we're playing games, I'm gonna make you the representative of all of college football as a host of lockdown college football. We here all want spring games against other teams, not just any kind of spring. We want thank you. Thank you. No, you're saying all of college football right now, Spencer, you have to call what is on your phone. The debris. Okay, okay. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm gonna answer it. OK, OK, OK. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm going to answer it. Parker, I'm going to answer your question.

I need to go to Paul here for a moment. Are you wondering why he doesn't want to talk to you when you have blown up his phone with like 15 calls? No, no, no. Those are the ones that are called. Some of those. Some of those were incoming. Yeah, sure.

A few. Yeah, for sure. OK. I those are the ones that are called off. Some of those were incoming. Yeah, true. A few. Yeah, for sure. OK. I thought that was like yesterday's phone log. Oh, no. And I was just like, bro, Homeboy's got to tone it down. Yes.

Down, boy. I was like, this is a lawsuit coming in. OK. Let's get him on the show. Allegedly. There's like five straight incoming calls right there. But I mean, you know, the point is, it's like, you know,

we talked about that. Don't put his number up there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, put it across the board. You know what? I was so mad when it initially happened. I almost did some really dumb things, you know? Yeah, I'm glad you didn't.

No, nothing like that. Like I was just gonna be like hey And say everybody was asking me like what do you think? What do you think? I was like, well, here's their number Like that's what I was about to do. Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that We don't anyway, not really but you know, like Right next no Spencer, let's let Western Virginia keep talking. Generally speaking, good things happen when West Virginia people keep talking.

No one ever gets fired. That's how things go when West Virginia keeps talking. That's true. Spencer, you were supposed to represent all of college football when you said your answer about playing spring games against other teams, but college football is the one turning this down. We're all like, we wanna play.

Well, hold on, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I don't know that college football is turning it. Who is college football? Who is college football? First of all, I am college football. It's not the NCAA. We know that.

OK, but so here's the thing. Colorado went to the NCAA. I don't know why anyone's asking them any questions anymore. But it's, that's like going to a stepparent and asking for permission for marriage. You know, it's like, ah, that's not the same. No, you know, like that doesn't, that doesn't ring. That doesn't have the same weight and force behind it. Like it just doesn't. So the NCAA said, no, it's too short a notice. It's an unfair advantage. What? And I'm like, yeah, okay.

Why reward teams for having a great idea that they'd be paying for, not you, and that everybody would like, yeah, why would we do that? I never got the sense, based on how that went down though, that the answer was no, you can never do that. The answer seemed- Yes, this year no, maybe later.

Yeah, that's the sense I got. So what's important is that the pressure remains across the sport to allow for this. And look, if a team still wants to have a traditional spring game, I think that's fine. And Beats just having a showcase or a team day or anything like that. Because I think the spring game is the best thing for fans.

But I think an even better thing for fans objectively is having a scrimmage against another team. I don't care if it if if you're worried about injuries, which by the way happened now during spring football, literally all the time guys are not going 50% just because they're going against their own players. That's first thing. Like don't schedule an arrival where you could get cheap shots and things get heated like okay I get that but to say you as a as a fan or anybody in college football it is far more interesting to watch even if it's a seven on seven scrimmage against literally any other team literally any other if you want to bring up a group of five or fcs team that'd be better than going against your own guys. Cause you get a,

you get a better snapshot as an outsider of what your team actually is, where your expectations should be. Yes, Kevin. I had a question for the, for the basketball enthusiasts on this show, Parker, you specifically, NCAA doesn't allow it for football, right? Because it was two, all the reasons we gave me me and Spray the Gate. What does basketball do before the season? They're called secret what?

Scrimmages. Scrimmages, you're like, so the basketball rolling there is you have an opportunity of up to two exhibitions or secret scrimmages. Yeah, there we go. There can be a video at the scrimmages, exhibitions can be televised, the difference there being an exhibition

has to be played out kind of like a game. They gotta play two halves, right? Anyway, I've said my piece. I have to go now, but this has been great and we should do it again. I just like to point out, Parker invited me to come and chat on the Big 12 Squad Show. Drake has invited me once. Once.

The entire time. I needed a punching bag to represent college football. That's exactly right. Yeah, but you know what? Drake doesn't want that. He didn't punch back at all. There was no punch. Drake doesn't, yeah, well, I guess you don't want Drake.

I like how you're trying to divert away from that you're leaving. That's what you're doing. Oh, yeah, no, 100%. I was supposed to start recording with someone two minutes ago It's Brian Also have to go right now, yes, all right So this is gonna be a five-man squad, but I will see you find people again soon if Drake ever invites me back

Okay, so I wanted to get no I wanted to ask this question when Spencer was in here You know, I just dipped like that Yeah, what you know, I was I was saying like you can't believe Spencer What what about Spencer surprises you with that? There's nothing surprising about what just happened He just doesn't come in enough for me to use the power and I'm tired of him what he is But I just I well actually was gonna ask this in like the first or second segment But you know, it takes a while for me to gain the courage On a podcast so I'll say it now. Nick Martinez, speak your truth. It's a truthful question. When we talked about like the Iowa State Toledo kind of spring game conversation,

one of the big pieces of that was like, you want to talk about players getting poached? Toledo, every single one of those guys is now on basically the chopping block. Are they going to go to Iowa State or not? Then I saw this come out from Mickey Joseph of Grambling Head, Grambling State, the head coach there. He was talking about, like there needs to be a buyout for guys from smaller schools, moving to bigger schools. Thoughts on that. I just wanted to know where everyone else was kind of on that. Cause I actually, I don't know if I'm allowed to say this, but like, I like it.

I think that's actually a great thing for all these younger guys They're just getting poached with like no repercussions This is where cultural ball and college athletics are headed is these guys sign on for one to three to four years, right? And if they leave their contract early, they have to be bought out and I think that's a great idea But I also think that requires someone with gall, not the NCAA, obviously, to figure out how to make sure these contracts are actually like legit, right? We remember the Wisconsin to Miami kid or vice versa, where he had an NIL deal. It's like, Okay, well, I don't want to go here. And they're like, Well, you have to. And he's like, I'm just not a student here anymore. So so you have to get contracts that could

do stuff. Go ahead, Parker. Sorry. And no, I'm saying first down on him heavy, didn't they? Stop, Cody, if he went from Miami, Wisconsin, not Wisconsin, Miami, that's probably hustling backwards as a college student, you're like most college students trying to get the city of Miami. I think I think it was, but I, I only wanted to chime in as the guy who's representing a school It was most recently the little guy, right?

I guess a long time ago Utah and West Virginia were in smaller conferences than this is right now and Colorado, I guess was not in the big 12, but you've been in the power conference for a minute now We was in the 88 not national championship game, but okay, and we were negative what years old I Know I just like we had guys poke fairly regularly Whether was Derek King went to Miami, you know I'm running back and I'm going to sit on the bench in Colorado with Dion like that. That's the thing that really happened. And I guess my argument is like, Nick, those poachings and stuff like that are happening anyway. I don't know, you make a formal contract. I don't think there's any way that hasn't any sort of bearing on

a spring game to me because they're already. No, thank you. That's really tied to the spring game. I think just in general is kind of what he was talking about. I think he was really tied to the spring game. I think just in general is kind of what he was Yeah, and then the future like What we have an IL right now is not gonna be the same format We have in five years or it's just like I want Nick to go to Colorado So I'm gonna give him two million dollars to leave Iowa State, right? Like that's not gonna be what it is. I wish I wish and I would go to Denver for half that keep that in mind

Kevin I go to Denver after I'm just saying right I would go to Denver for half that you've got a mind Kevin. I go to Denver I'm just saying right they have more they have to figure out a way to make sure that When these guys sign their national letter of intent, which that's probably gonna go away at some point That's a lie this point, right? It has to mean something It has to be like I'm going to Colorado for two years I have an opt-out clause for year three, which means the program knows year three I'm testing the transfer portal or they have to re-up. So it's one of those things where it has to completely change,

which I mean, this is delayed by the inevitable death of the NCAA, right? We need a commissioner. We need better lawyers who can actually manage college football and college football needs to stop being the wild, wild west because it's just not what it was intended to be. I want to counter Kevin though because I'm generally speaking very pro player in a lot of movement scenarios as much as it stinks to like have your favorite players leave and my reasoning typically comes back to and Kevin I'm gonna pick on you a little bit Deion Sanders gets rumored for every big job and every level of football all the time. So if a player sends a two year deal and Deion dips,

it's gotta tear up the deal immediately, right? I mean, like theoretically. Right, yeah. I would imagine there would be a fine print clause, just like now, right? If a coach leaves or quits or gets fired, then everybody has an open window to explore other options. But the players would not be able to explore the options

the way a coach does, and that's where the inequity imply. Like, I don't like the idea there that like, the coach can take a bunch of offers, like, I'm gonna stay at Colorado, the player like, no, you sent to you, you can't take offers in the in-between there, right? That's shaky to me. That makes sense.

That's on the players though, right? It puts a player to pick where they wanna go for how, like say I'm, like Travis Hunter, players though, right? It puts a player to pick where they wanna go for how, like say I'm, like Travis Hunter for instance, right? Number one overall crew goes to Jackson State for one year and say he wanted to test the market. He could say to Deion Sanders, I'm gonna be here for a year and then I'm gonna see what happens.

Like he could have done that, right? And like he didn't have to follow him to Colorado. He had the whole beef he had with the five star receiver at Florida State, because the guy was making fun of him. And he was like, your coach literally wants me to come play over you, right? So they could test the market however they want. They just have to pick their contracts wisely.

And I think obviously that takes away some freedom. But I think a lot of the frustrations that we have with the sport is because the freedom has turned into chaos and the chaos has sort of clouded the sport as a whole. Nick, real quick, I really like the idea of them having to pay for the guys. If they take them from smaller programs, they will never go for it. They have all the power. No, you have to see in the big tend to it will never happen. I love the idea. I wish it was something

to give a little guy more NIL resource, more stuff. But at the end of the day, the big dogs have all the power right now as unfortunate as it is. Bill, and we're moving towards them having even more power with like the playoffs and having more bids and in... Auto bids. Uh huh. Yeah, you're looking at, are we going to have a commissioner or is it just going to be the SEC and Big Ten are now running all of college football? Like that's kind of the path we're going down, so I completely agree with you there. I just think that when I read that, I was like, that feel, I feel like that makes sense. I love that when I read that I was like, I feel like that makes sense. I love that. I mean, it's not fair for them, right? Like it sucks because like every program and this even goes for honestly some of the schools

in the big 12, every program is a feeder program for the SEC of the big 10 is what it feels like, right? It's like we're finding these. All want someone to a big 10 or SEC program. I know Utah did last off season. Colorado did, yeah, like like it happens like Utah is known for recruiting three star guys that are under or overlooked in California and other states. Iowa State's bread and butter is finding these under recruited guys that are overlooked by the Midwest programs.

Oklahoma State is like the guys that maybe were overlooked by Oklahoma. Houston has to recruit against every school in Texas And so West Virginia same thing they're over there in that country where it's like We are all doing the dirty work for them and finding these guys and then they're just like hey We'll toss you a little bag and come on down There's no there's no nothing a little bag is a whole different thing in West Virginia though And Paul's been suspiciously quiet on this whole thing. Well, actually I have some news on this. Can you imagine though real quick what Tayvon Austin would have been offered? I was just thinking about that the other day. God it's hard to imagine

what the bag would have been like for him after that Oklahoma game or whatever but um so yeah Wren Baker and actually Rich Rod both spoke today to the Senate committee and uh it was really interesting on what they're going for and it's something that not a lot of places are doing yet. State of West Virginia wants to do a middleman so it's gonna be this nonprofit that kind of handles NIL and rev share both for the university and the entire goal of it is to lift the veil of obscurity that is over all this because nobody knows what anybody's getting paid. Nothing's really being discussed.

The collectives a lot of times give the coaching staffs a hard time, right? So what they propose to do is to get this nonprofit basically, let them control everything and that way you can fairly get these deals done with these kids. And I think that's a great step in the right direction. And for a place like West Virginia, kind of gives us a little bit of an advantage because not only are we going to have, like we've already got it, the $20.5 million for rev share, that's a big deal for us, obviously. We're also gonna be able to do the NIL things on the side.

Now, are we gonna be able to keep up with the Ohio State? Probably not. But we're going to have a little bit of a recruiting edge, I feel like, initially with this, if we can get it done quick. Especially because we have no competitor in our state, obviously. So that's like one of our biggest pitches in this. If the money's pretty well even, one of our greatest pitches has always been, you can come to West Virginia and be the only show in town. There's pretty well even. One of our greatest pitches has always been you can come to West Virginia and

be the only show in town. There's no protein. Literally Marshall's the next biggest thing. So, and this also does affect Marshall. Well, like I was saying earlier though, with Rich Rod, he spent 17 years away, um, made the worst decision in his career. And one of the first questions he gets asked about Marshall, it it just was I think it was bad timing because he's trying to stay focused on fixing West Virginia and not scheduling Marshall and Marshall

wanted to do a one of the biggest reasons that hadn't got done recently is because of they wanted a one-for-one and that just doesn't happen right like that rarely happens anymore with group of five schools usually it's two for one right usually you go two home for us, one away for you or whatever. So that's for whatever reason, Marshall won't agree to that. Speaking of group of five, this is what quite a fantastic, maybe call it a fab five group of five here. Hey, Parker mentioned I was okay. What JD, I want to transition one second, but you got one last note. I was only going to bring up up I feel like we should just talk about what's going on between

Byu and Baylor. I just wanted to get that at some point, but you keep rolling. So I actually have live image of uh Jake and Cam fighting this one out. It's right here. You got a cougar and a bear duking it out. Um somewhere in there is the Byu shill that has a Baylor alum and Drake told mediating the two as well. I had something good on Borba too. I wish you would have stuck around. I really did. He pocket dialed me the other day, right? And this is legit.

All I heard was like on a bed, like I was waking up. No. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. And then I heard a girl. He's probably building. It's like, what in the heck is going on, man? And like, I was like, hey, what's going on? And uh, it turns out he was just

working out, but it was very it was this rhythmic sound. I'm like, what the heck am I hearing right now? And he was like, sorry, he was like, sorry to Shannon Sharp, you like that was what he did. Well, you know what he never mind. I never mind. He could have been he could have been working. I call certain things workouts that might be misconstrued.

Oh, you're so close to keeping it in the episode. Good job. No, Cody's been really focused because he's watching bat and ball sports right now. I guess is what you could also call working out if you wanted to. Very challenging sport, very challenging. That's called a segue, ladies and gentlemen. Not that there are that many ladies actually. We're like what 7% or percent.

I'm a man. Are you 40? Are you 40? That's only Cody Stovall. Cody, how is that? How is that softball game going? They actually have a good softball team there at Oklahoma State. Oh, you just took the lead. So bad timing on your part. Thanks a lot, bud. West Virginia's got a cool, uh, rival team cool. Rival team rifle, rifle, rifle. Yeah. We've won like 20 national championships in rival.

Shoot honestly in Morgantown is a big deal. Go figure. Yeah. I could see that being the best big 12 program in rifle. Um, it is good at it too. Actually, I was gonna say, I think I would say it'd probably be close actually behind there. That might be all Iowa state has this time of year. I don't know baseball.

I think West Virginia legitimately is like the I don't know who the Alabama rifle or whatever but so no nobody's close okay. West Virginia's got something. Yeah no it's it's that Alabama is the West Virginia rifle team of football that's what it is that's what it is Paul. You got it's it's that Alabama is the West Virginia rifle team of football. That's what it is. That's what it is, Paul. You got it backwards. You've got it backwards. Paul, can I ask a question a little bit? Rifle re makes me think of chaos. Like what is what is what's recruiting recruiting someone for rifle? It means that they've shot a lot of guns as a teenager, I assume. How, like you go like in basketball,

you might go find someone off the pickup street ball court to come join. Has there ever been like pickup street riflery people you pull in there at West Virginia? And also, what does the road from riflery look like after you finish your collegiate career? Is it pro riflery, cross country, skiing riflery? Oh, I assume it's an Olympic thing. I know, Paul, you're the expert. what does the team, which is pretty good. so West Virginia has 20 titles. The next closest program is Kentucky with three. I guess that's a pretty big gap. Yeah, yeah,

they're really good. So, you know, I mean, West Virginia is pretty good at something. Look guys, it's been a horrible six years with Neil Brown. I'm so glad he's gone. I just want some kind of hope, some kind of hope. And so that nonprofit thing coming out today was like, for me, it was like, can we, can we're being told we're going to get this 20.5 because not everybody's guaranteed to get it right. I don't know if everybody's going to be able to operate at that 20.5. You know, every single year you're having to make it there. Especially since our travel costs are so high for years in the Big 12.

That's legitimate. Like our big... we had a 100 million dollar year revenue-wise, you know, in West Virginia's football, sports, whatever. And we were still in the red because of travel. Because at that point in time, we were the only Big 12 team that ever had to travel. Um, was that last year? No, no, no. It wasn't. But now you got that America, we had it. Yeah. That's what an episode of that show. You're doing fine. You're doing the reason I asked though is cause that, that number is legit. Like Iowa state probably going to be really stretching the dollar to make that 20 and

a half million dollar mark. I think we made like one, I wanna say it's either 115 or 130 last year or two years ago and over the 2023 fiscal year. Like it's doable, but you're really pushing some numbers there. I wonder where the rest of the big 12 is gonna sit. Like some of these bigger name schools are gonna have no problem.

But then my whole thing with the 20 and a half was like, now we've got a level playing field. it doesn't seem like that might be the case if like if Like if it's Iowa State for example, like now we actually only get to work with 19 About that 20 and a half because it's just gonna stretch the budget too far. Yeah Well, and there have been had been a big 12 school or a power for school some of the smaller Division One schools though have talked about like going down divisions to not have to worry about competing with schools that are offering the full 20.5, right? And I guess the trickle up effect there though would be like, it kind of cuts, it cuts very quickly cut into those buy games you play, BUI buy games you play the first couple weeks, right? Suddenly, if you're Houston, if Rice decides, hey, we'll go be a D3 academic school or whatever. I mean, I don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon,

but theoretically, right, that one of those non-chopper- You want Rice to do that, don't you? I'd like to end on a win first. I guess a more fun win. They beat us two years ago, beat them last year. A more fun win. They beat us two years ago beat them last year a more fun win Yeah, generally speaking that's not I guess my thought there is that like Theoretically that would be the impact on the big 12 is that's your your smaller school opponents before conference players suddenly

And they're like and we're good right we're good I don't think there's any other impact I imagine every big 12 schools gonna find way to do the 20.5 If you Houston's at it mother Most well, there's been reports of some are gonna make it there have been reports of that I'm not saying necessarily our big 12 schools. We've heard some P4 schools Well, I've been making I wonder who they are. I wonder who would have trouble making that Do you look at like it can't be any team in the SEC, right or the big 10? So where do you look? ACC I It can't be any team in the sec, right? Or the big 10. So where do you look? ACC. Um, I mean, Virginia gets a ton of money donated to them. I mean, it'd really be hard to figure out who it is. Um, maybe a little.

When I saw that Houston was going to be able to pay the full back when they thought it was going to be 22 and Eddie Nunez, the ad was like, we're going to do the 22 of this eight 22, like we're going to do whatever it says. I was like, if Houston can do that, imagine every P4 can just We've operated at a lot smaller budget for a long time now And that I guess that was my assumption was that if we're gonna do it everyone will yeah Does anybody worry like so if they get guardrails on NIL then this changes but does I mean NIL

It's still not really level though because if everybody's meeting to 20.5 I guess what they're trying to do, and this is like simultaneous with all this is they're trying to get the regulations on like the fair market value with the aisle, right? So what is that exactly though? What does that look like? Well, I guess the theoretical thing would be like we just saw at the BYU thing to kind of come full circle with the JTS, but God knows how many minutes ago is that they're going to pay this Rob Reich like three and a half million dollars. Well, if he's worth three and a half million dollars, you could theoretically

have like his net worth in the free market, like you mentioned, falls three and a half million if two of it came from the school. Then the NIL has to make up one point five or something. I don't know what makes the difference. So the kid can find a way to get their fair value that way. But the school creates a little bit more of a concrete relationship is my understanding of it all. But we have a guy on the inside in JT. So JT, as a guy, I mean, is that,

am I so far off base there? Cody has to go cheer on a softball game, actually, is what I'm thinking is actually happening. And I have to go pick up. I will have to drop it. That'll work too. Well, Cody has no interest in three and a half million dollar conversations.

So Cody's out. But I will say that, JT, I asked because you wanted to talk about BYU stuff and that's the Rob Wright money we're talking about here without Cam or Jake or Drake or anyone involved. But- My rival? As a rival, I guess you're paying attention

to BYU and corruption at all times. But also, I guess I was alluding to having a connection. We talked about your connection to the NCAA, like the committee of the tournament and stuff like that before. You're following the, like the, the, the whole orchestration of college sports a little closer than most, I think,

is what I was getting at really. But I guess specifically BYU, they are your nearby rival. Yeah, look, I really like the fair market thing you talked about. I'm really curious how that impacts everything once the revenue sharing becomes part of this. How do guys' values get inflated? That's a fascinating conversation. Really quick on the BYU bailer thing. BYU is not doing anything that everyone else is doing. So I know people, I talked to him what he said about BYU and I know the word tampering is thrown around. So like, how does that land?

Like what's happening? BYU is just doing what everyone else is doing. BYU tried to land a couple of Utah players from football early in the off season. They did get one of them. They did not get a few other ones too. So this is gonna happen. What's so interesting though,

is we all have this conference, this pride, I guess, where we're all cheering for like Houston and the conference championship game. But the reality is we're still rivals. We're still other other opponents and other teams. So we're going to try and pick each other's players off to be the best we can. That's what's really fascinating about this to me. But yeah, BYU is just doing something everyone else is. And BYU is very deep pockets. So they are they're going to be okay when it comes to basketball. We know that. I just think it's very interesting they get Baylor and now it pits those two fan bases against each

other in a really interesting way. JT said that BYU is doing things that everyone else is doing. I want to stress that that just in recruiting, they actually do very different things over there in the rest of the conference and a lot of other parts of life. But in recruiting, they're doing exactly what everyone else is doing.

Which leads me to Darren DeVries. Because- Here we go. You mentioned tampering. You mentioned tampering. And I'm just curious, since Tucker DeVee swallowed Darren to Indiana and it's likely that he accepted the Indiana coaching job while coaching West Virginia,

probably talked to Tucker about going to Indiana, isn't that technically tampering? Since he was talking to Tucker about going to Indiana while you were at West Virginia. I would say yes, but you'll never be able to, that's the problem. It's like, no, that's right. Well, I was trying to make a joke out of it, but it didn't land. Is that just because they're talking at the dinner table or what's the thought? Well, I mean, he, cause like, we're pretty sure now he accepted the job several weeks before he left.

Mike been able to pretty much figure that out. So, you know, if he told Tucker like, hey, we're gonna be going to Indiana after the season, that's pretty much tampering. Oh, he's still the West Virginia coach, right? Right. You know, so just just something I thought it was kind of funny. Well, and in Indiana, there's a whole other host of interesting things because like, I guess they are a big 10 school from a dollar amount, but they've been so

down for so long. Yeah Anyway, um That is a long long time here at the big 12 squad substitute teacher We did good for the B squad, baby. The B squad has grown it has shrunk. But right now we got Nick Machiavelli Marovitch but right now we got Nick Machiavelli, Maravich, Matthews. Let's go with Machiavelli. Let's get it up.

Switch up right now. My body like a target. You can barely talk about your team blowing a double-digit lead in the national championship game. Fantastic job today. In the what? What happened? National championship game.

That's supposed to be Monday. That already happened? Aw, crap. Oh no, oh God. Dude, my ears are ringing so loud. They really are. It's been hard to get through for me. Shout out Paul. Hey, shout out Paul for the playing injured performance. That's an award. We'll go. That's a game from Paul. That really is. It's it's have you guys ever had tonight? Has anybody ever actually had this? I have. I went

to a thunderstruck concert. It's a ACDC cover band Greatest night of my life had time tonight is for like a week it not fun, but that was a very fun concert So does it go away? It will it will subside a little bit or at least mine did I really thought when you texted that Paul that you were making A joke about things that happened with West Virginia and you had misspelled tendonitis at first I like read it really quickly and I was like, oh, that's funny. And I did not realize what was happening. That's Matt and Paul who was parenthetical dying

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