Locked On Jayhawks - Daily Podcast On Kansas Jayhawks Football & Basketball - Big 12 SQUAD - How Revenue Sharing will Impact Kansas Jayhawks

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

College sports face a financial reckoning. Are non-revenue generating programs doomed in the wake of the House settlement?Drake Toll and a panel of Big 12 experts tackle the controversial future of collegiate athletics. The discussion spans the viability of Olympic sports, donor influence on program decisions, and the cultural impact of diverse athletic offerings. Jake Hatch provides insights on BYU's potential scholarship adjustments, while Cody Silvall argues for the growing popularity of wrestling and softball. The group debates the long-term consequences of cutting sports programs on university admissions and campus culture.Tune in for a thought-provoking analysis of the challenges and opportunities facing college athletics in this new era.

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Happy Thursday night everybody welcome to the big 12 squad, I'm Drake toll from America's number one big 12 podcast locked on big 12 J catch locked on the why you Cougars Cody civil covers Oklahoma State Derek Johnson of Jay hawks Christian ralve locked on Big 12. Jake Hatch locked on BYU Cougars. Cody Stilwell covers Oklahoma State. Derek Johnson of Jayhawks. Christian Rao locked on Kansas State. Richie Bradshaw with the Sun Devils. Parker Ainsworth talking all things Houston Cougars and Nick Maravetz have locked on Cyclones. He chats Iowa State. We will start. Is this camera not working? Nick, as the microphone's off. We can't hear you, Nick.

This is the Big 12 Squad sponsored by Game Time. We do it weekly every Thursday night. It's when you get to hear all of the Big 12 news from your favorite hosts. Gents, this week I want to talk a little bit more about this house settlement. It is a topic that I've covered for 10 episodes now, and I know a lot of you have as well.

And I still have different aspects of it that I haven't covered. Still new things each day to bring up. The one that I want to get to, and I got to it on Monday, but I'll open up to the group. Why should your favorite university have swimming? Or men's golf? Or tennis? Or soccer? Or softball? Or baseball? Why should your favorite school have any sport, not named football or basketball, from a revenue standpoint standpoint in the modern era now that the house element has gone through Cameron Stewart welcome to fold thank you I think that's a great question I appreciate it I'll tell you that much I think it's important that we live in a society where we can ask questions exactly this is America baby Richie said it Richie's always been my eyes and ears

on this thing. A lot of good points to both sides. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. As it pertains to your particular question, Drake, I think the biggest answer is because a lot of these sports, these Olympic level sports are growing from a popularity standpoint. College wrestling is more popular now than it's literally ever been. It's not even close. Look at the numbers from college softball.

They're going up substantially. The national championship, Oklahoma State and golf from a viewership perspective is a lot bigger than it's ever been before. So I think if you exclude some of these Olympic level sports, you're cutting out a lot of potential marketability for your university. I'll do you one more too. Maybe you have Ricky Fowler and Victor Hovland and out, Noren out here killing it on the golf course.

It's important to know that they're cowboys. You can't get rid of that. True. I was gonna say, I don't think it's just that either. I think the alumni experience would include going to things like softball and baseball games and you want your alumni to enjoy the school so they donate money later. Whatever they donate it to you like I think you're providing an experience for your non-athletic students as well to come

watch all these things cheer on their teams. And then when they make a bunch of money doing something that's not talking to cameras about sports, they can donate that money back. I think that's part of it. Well, I think- So, yes, Hask, hit me. I was just gonna say Chris Level is supposed to join us in a minute. They have made softball national level news with their investment in the Texas Tech softball.

Like that doesn't happen on a normal basis. So yeah, to what Parker's point, you wanna have some of these sports around. If people wanna invest in them, yeah, that makes them far more viable. And that is a positive. Cody talks about men's golf. I know the BYU is very proud golf tradition, maybe not to the level of Oklahoma state,

but I don't see them cutting that sport anytime soon because BYU wants it to be a factor. And they've got a number of high level prospects in their backyard. They brought into that program. So to the point of, yeah, you have to have some pride in more of what the Jersey is speaking of for my case, BYU versus maybe what the actual sport is, if that makes sense. Thank you guys for stepping up for me and answering that question. So, I only show up for a can. Here's the problem for me.

And I mentioned it last week, my sister has a full scholarship to play softball at Baylor. So I like the Olympic sports. Some of my favorite, some of the closest coaches I got to during my time in college were the smaller sports guys, because they love journalists. They love coverage. They want to be your friend. They want to be very talkative and open with their programs. So I come to this as a guy who doesn't want any of it to die. But the roadblock for me with this question, and we talk about Abby Wambach, who could be a massive pillar for a university once they graduate and give money back.

And we could talk about a Jenny Finch. We could talk about on the men's side, the Ben Shelton kid, whose dad was the head coach, Ben's coach at Florida. Now he's a multimillionaire tennis player at the pro level. And there are those guys, no doubt. But if that's one in a million, if that's one in a million if that's one in 100 million and I am losing let's say for example on baseball four million dollars a year

Chris lovely you're exactly right. He's gonna jump in the company if I'm losing four million dollars a year by having a college baseball team between staff contracts Travel the the lights being on and the baseballs themselves like $4 apiece. What is the point of losing that $4 million and spending the $10 million when I can move that over to wide receiver two or three or four or five of the football program? What is the point in a sport costing you an arm and a leg? National and international exposure. Olympic global sports get more international exposure than college football. We love college football.

It drives the buses. Do we need international exposure? Do I need to be big in Greece? I think you do. Again, we're in a profitability, marketability era. So the more you can put your logo internationally, the better it's going to be for your university when it comes to attendance and financial compensation. I think it's just illogical to get rid of the sports that are the biggest people in Europe don't give

13 craps about a college football game. Yeah, but they care about USA softball. They care about Olympic level baseball. They care about the PGA tour. It just to me it makes sense. Yeah, to me it's a bit of a hedge. Like it's a hedge to the idea of what if your foot? No, but what if what if your football team isn't very good? Correct, yes. Because one of the biggest things with having your football team or your basketball team or whatever on TV is it's gonna increase admissions.

Admissions is where you also make money because there's the admission fee and then students enroll, they're paying money, right? Well, if you're not very good at football, then you have other ways to try to bring people in or maybe gather interest in some way. That would be one reason that I could think of in addition to, yeah,

just trying to gain notoriety as a school. Well, and the other thing about it, if you don't wanna cut sports, you can reallocate. I can speak on the BYU side of things. On the track and field side, we saw Washington State just whack their entire field portion of their track and field program. BYU has got traditionally strong middle

and long distance runners. More than half of their 45 allotted slots in terms of their roster will going forward be allotted to middle distance and distance running. Whereas the other ones sprints, fields, throws, that type of stuff, BYU will allocate those based on need. But they're going to kind of lean into what their strengths are. They're not just going to field an all-around team just to have it. If that makes sense. Y'all just won a national title in cross country. Yeah.

If you're, if you're one of the top distance runners in America, you're looking at somewhere like a BYU. And again, that's an international level thing. Uh, Oklahoma state just had a dude win a national title in track and we had another guy go win a title internationally. But we hearing those people once every four years. It's big. I think it's more eyeballs than college football.

And you think about, like, yeah, cross-country wins a national championship. That's huge. But if a sport like, let's say, tennis is winning a national championship, it's not an ESPN. It's not an ESPN+. Don't you besmirch. I don't ESPN Plus. Don't you besmirch. I don't think it is.

It's like the NBC tennis net. No, but I will say to your point, though, Drake, when Houston had a pair of people medal in the Olympics in 2024, they didn't medal for the United States, but they were Houston Cougars, right? Like that they were track and field stars. There were sprinters for England and South Africa, but they they did medal and they did flash Houston Cougar paw and it was really like a very viral moment for the school for like three weeks.

But is that enough? Your viral moment for three weeks for the school, is that enough to replace the multiple millions of dollars you could have saved by cutting track and field and giving it the football field? Chris, you say no. It's enough. Level, Chris level, that's you, yeah. Are you guys talking about like cutting these teams?

Correct. And like altogether? Why today does it matter enough to say, we'll lose $10 million to keep track and field per se? Yeah, I mean, I don't know if you're gonna see some of these schools cut like track and field. I think like some like I can argue tennis. I would disagree with Cody in that I don't think it really gives you any sort of worldwide street credit at all. This is about money man and I just I don't see the I don't see

the pathway to the revenue there that it makes a lot of sense. I hope that this doesn't happen. Sure. But I think we've seen some of these schools around the country start to trim. I mean, Texas Tech just won the Big 12 track and field championship and they have trimmed their roster.

They have cut their budget a little bit. This is the reality of it. But I would, boy, I would hesitate to just chop it all but I don't know if anybody's gonna really do that at the big 12 level. Are you guys suggesting otherwise? Let's keep this conversation going. We got to slip it in here.

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Yeah, kinda got there. They're also cutting some sports, and I think it's trickling. It's gonna trickle up eventually because Baylor fired nine assistant coaches across different sports, and today it was firing coaches. In my brain, in two years, it's firing entire programs

because with inflation, the number you give your student athletes is only going to go like the women's tennis coach that got fired from Baylor, her salary is now going to Michael Trigg, the wide receiver, you know, not one to one, but that's in essence what we're doing here. So Chris, my question for you is we just saw a Texas Tech, I already mentioned it made national news with the investment they've made in softball. I mean, obviously well deserved in terms of the news that they made. But for you, from your perspective, watching tech invest those millions into that,

is that a passion project or is that going to eventually lead to it being a revenue sport? Not a revenue sport. It very much is a, you've got a donor that his wife played softball here and they are like very interested. I don't know where this goes a couple of three years from now, but they are passionate about it now

and they're trying to set things up for this program. And I, but again, does it, how much does it move the needle and I think that one surprisingly to me it moved the needle quite a bit nationally does that increase enrollment does that generate revenue I don't necessarily know if it does I think that a lot of the marketing and PR for your school it did create by playing in the World Series and making it to the final game and all those things but I just I don't know if this is the don't even worry about football. Just try to pick a sport and be really good at it. You can do it. I don't I don't buy it. Well, I also like we're we're still in the very early days of women's basketball not being a passion project. We're still

pretty early on in that it took a long time. I know that was always the thing when Kim, that's the argument. Revenue. That's the argument to me to invest in the things though, Cam. And I was waiting my turn a little bit. But like, like, it just took Caitlin Clark, like, who's to say there's not enough? Who's to say great? This is not that for me at all. The second Caitlin Clark left, you plummeted in a viewership from a viewership. There's still three and four and five times

what they were before she got there. But we when will we get our next Caitlin Clark in 20? Well, in the softballly, the softball player, the softball player is the face of the sport. And I don't know where it is once she graduates after next season. I don't know where this goes, but I mean, she's clearly one of the players of the year

in the entire sport. And it's been fascinating for me to watch it up close because I was not expecting this, but I don't know where the longevity of it, I guess is my point. Because women's basketball here doesn't have the same investment anywhere close. They're not going to be very good at all. And you know, so I don't know how you, how you weigh it out.

And the cost of a national championship women's basketball team is way up here as compared to softball is down here. And, and so it depends on. They have spent millions. Yes. Well, Kate or Drake, when we were coming out of the pandemic, this predates all of this, but Tom Holmo, the former BYU athletic director was asked when they were coming out of the pandemic, if you want to give any consideration to potentially cutting sports at that point, because remember when they met last, almost that entire year of 2020 revenue wise, there were a lot of questions across the nation of what non-revenue sports meant

in the college atmosphere. And I vividly remember asking Tom Homo, did you ever consider that? He said, we never really considered cutting sports, but if we were to go back in time, we would have a completely different looking athletic department. Speaking of the actual sports BYU would have on the field. I feel like BYU from their perspective, they're kind of, they've kind of made their bed with who they have the sports that they are sponsoring.

Jake, how many do you have? How many, how many varsity sports technically are on campus at BYU? Cause I bet I'd be willing to bet you guys have more than most of the other big 12 schools. I want to say 21, which is higher than most. And yes, but Homo's point was, if they were to go back, I can think of three or four that wouldn't exist. And they probably would invest maybe in one or two others. Speaking of maybe like men's soccer, they probably have that versus maybe having with their tennis

teams. Okay, so if we know that, if we know that during COVID, that BYU is in a spot where they were thinking like, Oh, man, maybe looking back, that would have behooved us. This is 10 times worse than COVID from a revenue standpoint. So now your athletic directors are all looking around going, okay, today we don't have to do this. In three years, they're looking the men's tennis coach in the eyes, looking the men's

golf coach in the eyes and saying, why do we have you here? Because genuinely, the juice is not worth the squeeze. Again, I don't want to be the asshole, but I didn't do the settlement. I wasn't the guy that put the house settlement through. It's by virtue of that where we sit. So the one thing I know about you- Go ahead, Christian. I'll let you go.

How did we finally brought up actual revenue sports like basketball, bringing in that international conversation again? Is it important to have marketability year round for international? Because if you look at basketball, my school included, I know Derek's school included, they go after international players. Is that something that you have to focus on? Right? So no, no, no, no, I would disagree. Okay. And here's why I would disagree because internationally, no one's looking at Kansas State and going, man, can't wait to play basketball there. Dinkachov Molotov is not saying, wow, how fun would it be to go to Manhattan?

That five-star Dinkachov Molotov. It's gonna take the equivalent of a bill self to drag, or dollar signs. The reason they're coming to America is because we have a much more established college sports scene, and they could likely make more money through NIL here than they could in their early contracts overseas. So it's not a secret.

It's all money. Some of the kids don't even visit. They don't even know where they're going. Not marketability. They're not going, oh, shoot, Lawrence, Kansas reminds me of Venice. No idea. They have no idea.

But in Europe, they're getting paid. I don't see them as an agent and picked up anyway, too, because there's pro basketball guys young as 15, right? So part of that's just a cultural like jump in sports, which is very different to us. A 15 year old getting paid to play sports is not crazy in Spain or France or whatever, right? That's just, that's what they're doing.

It's just they could possibly make more here and not have to be here. No, that's why they're signing without coming to school, like to see anything is like they would sign with Barcelona without seeing anything too Your point I can tell you so Jaeger Deming came to be why you because of a connection You have a Travis Hanson who played a BYU played overseas in Moscow for years and years years played for Real Madrid that connection Was there BYU also chased Hugo Gonzalez who was in this year's NBA draft Hugo wanted to come stateside But the contract he had signed with Real Madrid prohibited that from happening.

But to Derek's point, he would have come over for one reason and one reason only, dinero, money. That's why he was considering it and trying to break a contract that he couldn't get out of ultimately. OK, so where does the, I guess, split in this come to like is everything about money? Because the idea that it is the NCAA and if they want to stick with the student athlete thing and that sort of thing, then they are kind of behovin to okay, well, we still need to stick with the college model. Your split is six in my brain and that number six is sports that will remain at your college if it was just revenue based. Okay, it'd be football, basketball, and then men's and women's basketball. And then is

that five football, basketball, and then we're looking at softball baseball. And so that's who ESPN's picked up and that's who ESPN has interest in. Why does ESPN have interest in softball and in basketball or softball and baseball? I should say, I'll tell you, nothing else is happening. That's the contract they have. Yeah, they like it for three weeks out of the year. And those sports cost the universities a ton of money. There's not anybody on here that is making any money in baseball.

So a ton of games in baseball, it's a lot of travel. Correct, and you pass that, you're paying your coaches, now you're paying some players. Now you got more scholarships, yep. Yeah, so in that, like it's those six have a shot to have longevity, most schools looking at three or four. Well, so Rich, Or there's those six have a shot to have longevity. Most schools looking at three or four. Well, so what I know of Arizona State is they're planning on fully funding all 35 roster slots

with baseball scholarship wise. Am I mistaken in saying that? No, they are. And because they decided to make that decision. They're doing what? They're going to fully fund 35 scholarships for men's baseball. That cuts into their salary cap. How fun is it?

It is taking $2 million out of the salary cap. We are actually 18.5 million compared to the 20 and a half that everybody else is at. Yeah, this is all from 11-7 to that. That's insane. This is what Tennessee is doing and A&M has done, but they can now not pay out the 20.5 million to student athletes, but they can fully fund the baseball roster. I mean, I guess jello shots at Rocco's are a lot of fun,

but I'd rather go to the college football playoff. That's just me. Yeah, but can't they make up the difference? I mean, if you had some wealthy NIO person that says, I'm gonna pay for a couple of NIO deals for these guys. No, you can't. Because now that person can't pay you you it has to be through Polaris. Richie what other programs.

That thing's gonna get chewed out of the building. Richie what other programs. Yeah that thing does not last at all. What's that Chris? What Richie what other programs did they increase scholarships in because the way the Title IX aspect of this does work is that if they increase the baseball scholarships they have to increase the female scholarships somewhere. I honestly could not tell you.

I do know that another thing with the football program is they're up to 105. So essentially we don't have any more slots for a walk on kids. Well, it's all scholarship now. So they're going to go 105 scholarships. I'm expecting BYU at some point to go to that number. They're probably going to stick at 85 for the time being. But I think over the next three or four years, you'll see BYU increase. But the one thing I can speak from the BYU side of it is that they've gotten a half share in terms of the overall revenue share of speaking from the Big 12 media rights still the last two years. That's more money than BYU has ever seen as an athletic department. It's going to be more than a $12 million increase next year to their budget and BYU already operates in the black. I'm telling you, if there's one, if there's one school that I don't think is going to cut sports in the interim, it's going to be BYU because they already are running it a pretty tight ship. And they're going to have even more money to throw at whatever they need to throw it at.

All right, Jake, you're ready. What's the next thing about Iowa State? Who else here? Coming up, let's let's hit Iowa State here in a second. This is the Big 12 squad. All right, what was that? New guy Nick. Oh my gosh. Let's ask Nick about his baseball program. Okay, Nick, back to you. But to be fair, that was before any of this happened. Like in the 2000s, yeah, no doubt.

that was before any of this happened. Like in the 2000s, yeah, no doubt. And like, forgot who brought up soccer. If you look at like this high school of sports participation in the state of Texas, it is kind of criminal. There's only one division one men's soccer program in the state of Texas too. What is it, SMU?

Yeah, and it's crazy how many other schools come poach kids because there's just SMU in the state of Texas. That's a Title IX issue is the reason that that is the case. BYU has got a club champion. They've won multiple national championships in men's soccer at the club level. I know there are multiple BYU fans who want to see men's soccer added as a division one sport, but to Chris's point, title nine prohibits it. And they just,

they simply won't add to make it, make it work. So that, that's the concern and to your point drake in the end coming down the line i can't even say the byu down the line won't be looking at potentially cutting sports i'm just saying in the interim with as much money they have coming in they should be able to navigate this a little bit better early on but i think eventually when it comes down to dollars and cents i could foresee a day in the next three four five years the byu considers cutting at least one or two programs. You say national championship. What is that in club? What is that?

You know, what is it? What trophies? What is national championship? Oh no. Uh, so in essence here I come, we come to a close where I wanted to start. Why? If the answer is money, if the answer is money, and I just need money, why do I have even baseball? Why do I have tennis? I mean, I like this level, but I still disagree. You would get so much PR blowback and I think political blowback. I just don't.

You all can ask your leadership on your campuses. I believe that there may have been like a kind of a conference wide effort and conversations here to not cut sports in the Big 12 Conference. I'm not saying that that's what's happened, but I have some belief that there has been some sort of conversation agreement, like let's not go this route. So I'm not saying that everybody will operate that way, but I think they're trying, everybody is trying not to have to go that route at this level. Chris, remember we tried to cut like six or seven sports. This goes back three or four years ago and the blow, they wanted to cut squash.

Who participates in squash at the division one level Stanford maybe some Ivy leagues I don't know they try to cut sports like that and the blow back literally for Stanford to go back and continue to sponsor they have like 34 different sports they got Yeah they win the Sears Cup every year they've got more sports than anybody in there. I understand that this stuff is like supposed to be business and

money and stuff like that but at the end of the day, it's just the short answer to your question, Drake is it's the right thing to do. And we come on here and we blast when like the SEC or the Big 10 is trying to mess up the sport of college football, all for the bottom line all for the dollar because we're like, that's not the spirit of the game. That's what this comes down to. It's like, financially, you're right, but the right thing to do is to not. And to Derek's point there too,

like if you did that with every aspect of the university, don't you just start cutting majors in parts of the school that don't have donors in their alumni base? I mean, like how far do you carry that thought process in how you run your school? On the sidewalk and meal plans are uncrustables every day. You know what I mean?

How far you go? Where's the line? Where's the line? And that's what I was gonna add on with Parker too, is you're gonna start to get to a point where you're gonna be affecting your admissions rate, not just for sports, but like, you know, you're just gonna start alienating people

that are interested in different opportunities at different universities. And Arizona State doesn't have this program anymore, but U of A does have this program. So now I may be more inclined to go to U of A, because not only do they offer this, but there's a school for this. And there's all sorts of different stuff

that really starts to affect a lot more outside of football and basketball and women's basketball. Richie, I can tell you the Utah State Legislature cut more than $10 million out of the public school, speaking of public university funds this year. And each public university, BYU's private, obviously, but every other public university in the state of Utah had to cut at least, I believe, $1.5 million in the low end.

And the University of Utah, for example, was in the tens of millions that were having to cut back their budgets. Majors are gone. Jobs are gone. Entire departments at Utah State, if I budgets. Majors are gone, jobs are gone, entire departments at Utah State, if I'm not mistaken, are gone at this point. To your point, eventually it's gonna come to a point

where it starts affecting admissions rates. And yes, some people may look at it, I wanna go to Utah State, but Utah offers this program, or Utah Tech offers that program, and they'll go there because of that program. That's the concern you're gonna have down the line. But to that point we also have the state of I mentioned SMU and soccer earlier. There's only one veterinary school in Texas and it's like got the

most horses and cattle per capita of any state in the country. Right. And it's the same kind of thing where it's like OK there's also just one veterinary school because people said it wasn't worth their money. And now we have one option to Texas. And you know what. Yes. Yes, guess when I learned that fact, this very moment, no one cares. You know, like, again, I don't want to be the asshole the group. But if we're talking about like, you want to grow up to wear your vest and go talk about baseball, some people want to grow up and be a vet, right? That's the

difference. And I'm to know to that 1000 Americans. Yes, I'm sure that they want to be, less than that, because it's 100 kids in Texas or whatever it may be. I don't know. But again, colleges are already cutting majors and also like, money, they just wanted to make, like they want to make financial sense here.

And I don't know, as much as I want to be happy go lucky, I know the second we again, we just said, oh, the SEC, they're always like, money, money, money, money, money. And we want to be the upstanding citizens. The day that Greg Sankey says we as a conference have agreed unequivocally, we will all cut men's women's golf and tennis. The big 12 will be a year behind them. This isn't a moral game. This is a game of the second that their football program gets an extra $5 million boost. They cut a couple of things. This isn't a moral game. This is a game of the second that their football program gets an extra $5 million boost, they cut a couple things, the big 12 ago.

Oh, shoot. And we can run out our tennis facility for national tournaments. We're not spending $5 million on those two things. That's not that's not $5 million to stop. Oh, dog. coaches contracts, player scholarships, Baylor alone is 50 grand per kid. I mean, what, what, what do you do? Is that cheap now?

Yeah, I mean. 70 grand after fees and that's 30, can't be, let's just do some math. You guys pay tens of thousands of dollars to go to Baylor BYU, it's like 6,000 a semester right now. Yeah, okay, private school guy over here with his Baylor, okay.

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chunky kids performing inappropriate activities on top of a cupcake but I do think that having Ricky Fowler and Solid Orange competing for a US Open is important. I think the Kate Cunningham playing in the All-Star files, or the All Star games is important for the NBA is different ability.

Well, no, it's different. And Cody, it is important. I'm just saying it's not a reason why a program will stay or go. I don't think Yep. And that's what anybody know. Does anybody know who Baylor's greatest athlete ever is? Michael Johnson, it's Michael Johnson. No one else was gonna say that. That's true. Michael Johnson is the guy Michael Johnson. No one else was gonna say that. That's true, true. Michael Johnson is the guy.

He's maybe the greatest American sprinter of all time. No one knows him at the Bay. I was gonna say RG3, but that's another thing. Yeah, you would've said Singletaria. Parker uses it to speak up for Carl Lewis, man. Come on. Well, Carl Lewis is also our current track coach. He does it kind of for the love of the game,

but Hakeem has an argument, I think, too. Vinny Johnson, the microwave anyone. Hey Danny Danny age wants a word everybody. Headline statistically probably the worst guy in the baseball Hall of Fame or the worst player there's a pretty bad guys. The worst player in the base. They were. Which.

Correction. See. Look up. But to me that's more on the school for not selling it though anyway. That's. That's a separate show I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

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Kick him out. Kick Level out of here. Patrick Boholm should have been on some Roids. He's PEE'd up, man. Yeah. Like, come on. Oh, this is been... Ben Johnson sure won.

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