Locked On Jayhawks - Daily Podcast On Kansas Jayhawks Football & Basketball - Big 12 SQUAD - How the College Football Playoff can Impact the Kansas Jayhawks

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

Can the Big 12's quarterback talent redefine college football's competitive landscape? With standout players like Sam Levitt and Sawyer Robertson leading the charge, the Big 12 is poised to challenge the dominance of other conferences. Dive into the dynamics of Utah's passionate fan base and its pivotal role in the Big 12, drawing parallels to Texas's historical influence. The episode also explores the polarizing impact of Deion Sanders and Colorado, where "hate-watching" has become a phenomenon. Featuring insights from Drake Toll and other experts, this discussion promises a fresh perspective on the evolving college football scene.Tune in for an engaging analysis that uncovers the hidden narratives shaping the Big 12's future.

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Know her feelings and thin skin allow. Squad up, you're part of the Big 12 Squad. Happy Thursday, everybody. Welcome to the Big 12 Squad. I'm Drake Tolle from Locked On Big 12, America's number one Big 12 podcast. And all these jabrones are right underneath it as your first listen every single day. Parker Ainsworth of Locked On Cougs, Jake Hatch of Locked On Cougs as well, which confuses everyone. Cody Sobo of Locked

On Oklahoma State, Richie Bradshaw talks to all things Arizona State. JT Westershow with the Utes, not near Paul, West Virginia and Kevin Borbub of Locked On Buff on buffs or what's left of Kevin Borbove locked on buffs. He's just a grainy piece of the void that we can barely see. I'd never noticed the intro has words that pop up on the screen, including thin skin prohibited. I've never noticed that it said thin skin prohibited, which is super stupid. But you did notice Duke.

Someone did at some point in time. You've never noticed that thin skin is prohibited yet you come at me the way you do every week. Why? I was a thin skin. I, I, I was on ESPN 960 with Ben Criddle this week, crazy uncle Ben as he's known in Provo. And I said that Utah is the single most important fan base in the entire Big 12. Okay, appreciate that. Wow. Like, he said, Gordon for him right cream kind of thing.

Yes, it is actually code hemorrhoid cream and hemorrhoids must go hand in hand. It's because Utah gives you like a rival for every like Iowa State probably doesn't care about beating UCF. They care about beating Utah because they've made themselves a rival for all. And that's a positive thing for the big 12. We can get there later in the show. Cody Campbell is the new he's been elected pope there's black smoke or white smoke or whatever happens and he is the pope of college football. Him and

Nick Saban are going hand in hand. Campbell is a Texas Tech guy, a Big 12 guy. And when they do elect the Pope, everyone starts reading his old tweets and just trying to figure out like who this guy is and what he believes. That the same thing's happened with Campbell. And what we figured out is he is a college football purist.

He's a conservative that wants to go back to the way that things were. And part of that is he's been pretty blatant about UCLA shouldn't be in the Big 10, which yeah, welcome back to common sense college football, Texas, Oklahoma should be brought back, dragged back into the big 12 against their will. This seems like the kind of guy, even though Nick Saban to me isn't going to benefit this conference, Cody Campbell is and he has a lot of power and I think from here you'll start to see things that the playing field even out a little bit more because the guy that the United States government wants to help fix college football likes us. Well I think it's interesting that he's old school like you're saying where he wants old-school conferences and rivalries and the rah-rah we enjoy but he's also like

head of the matador club in charge of NIL. And like we know that Texas Tech's got a lot of cash and all that. Like, like he kind of plays both sides of that in a way that I kind of like, actually. And I also think it's a good thing for this conference. It's it also felt like Nick Saban being from West Virginia. Paul can chime in there. Right. There's got to be some connection there, right. That like helps in the way, maybe.

No, no. I mean, listen, get his ass ball, get his ass. He was an assistant coach at West Virginia for sure. But, you know, I think he speaks fondly of living in West Virginia, but as far as West Virginia university, he's all about Bama, man. He really is like, I think he wants what's best for us and he's consulted us on some things. But do I think that we make the cut for Nick, the Nick Saban 40? No, no, no, I don't.

So you know, it's like one of those things where I don't think we're going to get any special favors really. At least that's the feel that I've gotten and what a lot of us feel like, you know, maybe what actually happens, maybe he just doesn't want to put it out publicly. Maybe he actually does, you know, for the big 12 in West Virginia. But my, my feeling on it has kind of been, you know, a little, little wishy washy for real. I just, I haven't seen a whole lot. I think it's absolutely phenomenal because Nick Saban is going to do what's best

for the sec more often than not obviously Here there's going to be some pandering involved. You think that's phenomenal. No, I wasn't done speaking Right there have cody camels combat that somebody that actually cares about the regionality Of the sport bringing brought back and you have to have somebody come back If you have nick saban on the sec team You got to have somebody on the Big 12 team because we don't have a lot of Big 12 homies. So I'm glad that Cody is taking this mantle.

And I appreciate the Rudy approach that he's written about in the past. Yeah, the project Rudy's doing is interesting. Sorry, Paul. Oh, whoa. I was just gonna say, even though Nick Saban doesn't support the Big 12, the larger issues at hand that he's against will sort of help the Big 12 in a way,

right, like he's against players moving without NIL contracts, he's against all of the drama that has ensued with college football, and while he's gonna have that SEC's best interest in the hand, there's gonna be a trickle down effect. Shadow. It's crazy, dude. It's like, I think you're talking, but I have no idea. It's like your mouth moves eight seconds later.

It's like a 2000 like found footage video. I think it's funny that Chidora Sanders and Travis Hunter both leave Colorado and suddenly his internet's a lot worse. I'm Not saying. I'm not. NIL's gone. Many are saying. I was hanging out with Cam Ward this weekend.

Oh, that's this week's flex? Oh, okay. That's this week's flex. Number one overall in traffic. And he is an example of how the transfer portal should work. Hey, you were at a school that's Washington state a little bit smaller, they got the bone and you're like, Okay, cool. I'm gonna go make myself and he

didn't necessarily go to he didn't go to Ohio State. He went to Miami, he didn't play in a college ball playoff. He went better his career, better to program that needed some help to it's that that's not the worst thing in the world the way that that I think Cody Campbell is going to approach the transfer portal and maybe Nick Saban too. He didn't go to Ohio State, he went to Miami. Thank you.

I was thinking the same thing, Jake. But at least I know how to handle that. Miami sucks now. Not the U. He didn't go to the U, he went to Miami. He didn't go to the U, he went to Miami. There are two completely different things now. That's that, right?

Yeah. I know some of the money at one point was all crypto and then the kids didn't get the you went to Miami there are two completely different things. That's that right? Yeah. Yeah, I know some of some of the money at one point is all crypto and the kids didn't get the money. That's the whole problem in Miami. But it's not like they're like a small player in IEL transfer market though, trade. They're not the 1980s and 90s Miami, but they're, they're not nothing in this world. In Big 12 squad history, I'm actually going to agree with and defend I'm going to defend Drake here for a moment for the first time. I agree with Drake on this because Miami at

least hasn't been good in a while. So there are at least a new player in the game, just like a BYU is a new player in the game in part due to NIL. Yeah, but that's because they run it. It can get really bad really quick for people. Yeah, they're bad. They run the ball on fourth down instead of taking a knee on third down. It's not because they're not actually buying good players. Yeah, okay, okay. Ken Dorsey's the best quarterback I ever saw.

Drake, let me add one thing on the Kam Ward situation. You mentioned Kam made good on the bet on himself. He was a zero star prospect. He played in a wing tee offense in high school and had to go to, I don't know, was it, Houston Baptist where we incarnate word, word incarnate word, incarnate word coaches to take a chance on him. Sure. So he finally, so he made good in that fact that he made it from incarnate word to Washington state and then cashes into Miami. I'll give him credit on that. But equivalent

equivalent eating or that's the wrong word, but trying to equivalent with Miami and Ohio State not being on the same level. That's a tough sell for me. I'm with Jake on that. I'm with Jake on that. Coming up, let's hear the conversation that we can all agree on. Big 12 quarterback rankings. This is the Big 12 Squad. Today's show is brought to you by Wayfair. Look, the reason that I like plugging Wayfair is because I use it a lot.

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All right, you got me. You went from Penn State to Syracuse? What the hell? Iowa. Is that Arkansas? There's another SEC school that is Missouri. We also have in the SEC, Zach Calzada, he's still alive. Blake Shapin, Jackson Arnold, those guys are still hanging around.

Marcel Reed. Some big 12 legends. Maybe Diego Pave is the fifth best quarterback in the SEC per Athlon Sports. That's how bad the SEC is at the whole quarterback thing. The big 12 on the other hand, is soaring in this category. Like I think Dylan risk who's the quarterback at UCF this next season showed bright spots against Utah even right? Actually, Drake transferred. He just stands gone. Well, don't trust Aslan sports then nevermind. Well, UCF's boned. I think Niko Marquial at West Virginia can

be a good quarter. Brendan Soresby. Kate Salter was like a name that you heard about on ESPN last year when he was leading Liberty to wins until they stopped winning. Devin Dampier rushed for 6,000 yards last season and 25. Yeah. Unbeknownst to me because the Arizona guy hasn't shown up to a single squad show. Noah Fafita is still in the big 12. I also think I learned that. Arizona still in locked on. Is that the, I mean, I don't even know. Jalen Daniels, Baron Mort Baron Morton Jake Retsa the depth of this conference not to mention the top end like an Avery Johnson or Sam Levitt or Connor where it is

Jalen Henderson, you're waiting. You noted as well alongside me Okay, Henderson to this what I think For not having Rets love from the top tier there Drake Where does Rets off belong do you think I would even say go back and Nick is over there really pissed about it. I Would say here's the thing with with Jake Retzloff. I'd have a mid-tier. I've got to admit that numbers have mid-tier The bigger thing is Sam Levitt. he is far and away the best quarterback. But to Drake's point, if you go down the list of quarterbacks in this league, yeah, the

depth is really, really solid across this league. You can get a quarterback six or seven. Okay, okay. Hit me, Richie. So you brought the SEC first, right? Diego Pavia, fourth or fifth best quarterback. Where's Diego Pavia rank in the big 12th? Nine. Really low. Yeah. Rank in the SEC. Really high. Top five top three top two. I feel better on Sam Levitt than Arch Manning. I don't care. I don't care about the last name, but everyone else seems to. I know. I know more about Sam Levitt as a starting quarterback in college football than I do Arch Manning. Yep.

Right. We've seen him play. That's a big starting quarterback in college football than I do Arch Manning. Yeah, right. We've seen him play. It's a big deal. It's all the really exciting last name and everything. And I do think Arch is going to be really good, but we already know that Sam Levitt is really good. That's something that I've talked about previously. Like the Big 12s quarterback depth is absolutely

disgusting because Drake didn't mention Sawyer Robertson. He didn't mention Rocco Beck. Like, I feel like you could name every quarterback in the big 12. I purposely left off the top three for you to be like, oh wow, this is a great quarterback league. And then you drop the top three in there, and you're like, shoot, that's a really elite quarterback league. It is.

Well guys, look, Oklahoma State had, we had two quarterbacks returning with some level of experience in the Power Four, in the big 12. They're both gone, because the upside wasn't high enough to be competitive with the rest of the quarterbacks in this league. So I think Oklahoma state is a microcosm of how good the quarterback play is in this conference right now. Is there any conference

that stacks up with the big 12? I don't think there's certainly is a top to bottom. I would always argue. Let me give you, let me give you this. Cade Clubnick, Carson Beck, Kevin Jennings, Haynes King, Darian Mensah. Carson Beck. Who's the dude for the USC transfer? Who do you think it is? Eli Holstein.

Kieron Throne. Kieron Throne. He's the guy who got the best quarterback in the conference. Thomas Castellanos? CJ Bailey. No, no, no, no. Chandler Morris is at Virginia? Chandler Morris is at Virginia. Chandler Morris is like 29. What do we do? Dorian Mensah. Drew Aller is the best quarterback in the

armistice. Oh my gosh, throw up in my mouth. If Drew Aller is your best quarterback, we have got that league beat by a mile. I think you're gonna split here as you go top versus top, like the number one for each conference. Cause you know, whatever it's the median, it might be the best quarterback, but it's the median to me. It's the middle of the big 12 is so much better than the middle of everywhere else. It's not close. Go band for band, right? Go, go band for band kind

of thing. Like seriously, it's really funny. But at the same time, you're Diego Pavia versus my Jake Retzloff. Yeah, I feel really good about my Jake Retzloff. And I love Diego Pavia for everything that he is. He is nothing in the Big 12. Correct. Maybe he's what KJ Jefferson was last year, which is bench. I was going to say that's not good. People forget. People forget KJ Jefferson was last year, which is benched. Oh, gosh. I was going to say, that's not good. People forget. People forget KJ Jefferson. I think it could be good for Utah.

I mean, not for Utah. Sorry. The whole Big 12 as well, the fact that you have these quarterback, because those quarterbacks drive this sport, right? So that's what you're hoping, is that you have these quarterbacks, the star power, too. And quarterback can be the one thing of the SEC, the Big 10.

We know about the recruits and some of those things you can get. If you can have the best quarterback on the field, you're almost always going to have a chance. So I think that can be good for the big 10, we know about the recruits and some of those things you can get. If you can have the best quarterback on the field, you're almost always gonna have a chance. So I think that can be good for the big 12 too. And that's gonna be really good for getting you to the playoff too. Because at the end of the day, at the end of the season,

people are gonna see Sam Levitt had a really good year, Rocco Becht had a really good year, Sawyer Robertson had a really good year, Baron Morin had a really good year. And all those teams, like just say like nine, 10 wins, it's like, do we want to have Sawyer Robertson or do we want to have Jackson Arnold who slugged his way through?

Like just cause it's SEC branding, we've got Sawyer Robertson who threw 4,000 yards and 30 touchdowns. Like that's going to help you. And what Kevin's, what Kevin, I think, Kevin, I'm sorry. I got my screen too small. What Richie's bringing up here though, it's a TV product.

It is gonna come down to which guy you want on television, the playoffs. And frankly, I was a little shocked last year when that wasn't Miami, but it was still in an ACC school, right? I think that that's gonna be a part of this, right? What branding comes in, and if you can sell a quarterback story, that's the easiest story to sell. It's big numbers, highlight plays.

Dante Moore, like they're going to promote their five star quarterbacks in that league. That's what they have to go on is they have the high level recruits. Whereas the big 12 and the ACC in particular, they have the proven products at quarterback. And you remember Dante Moore at this point though. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You can you can talk the five star thing, but I mean, but it's the same thing right across the SEC in the Big Ten.

They have these highly rated prospects that they're going to tout via their via their media. I would just went out there by our own the portal with Brian. He pointed out that the twenty twenty six number one quarterback is a Houston get no big deal as far as five star quarterbacks go until he right up until he flips his commitment. That dude's got his inked on his body. To BYU! Hey, back on the point on someone made about leaving Miami out.

Well, Miami had every opportunity to get in last year. Just beat one of the best teams you played. They lost that. They lost some brutal games late in that seed. They had the two losses that were awful. If they just win one of those games, they're in right there. Yeah. So to Jake's point, we're going to go in preseason, even last year, Nico Iomaliable was a huge storyline and DJU and think about the quarterbacks who didn't pan out that were massive in the preseason. The big 12th, I was in poop Deck, which is a bar in Fort Worth.

Standing, I did not know, I did not know. Like right behind me, two guys behind me is Max Duggan. This is July the year prior, and I'm with my girlfriend at the time who went to TCU, it was a whole big thing. I was like, yeah, I just feel bad for like TCU football, like Max Duggan, like what, he's a guy we kind of knew, and he just kind of sucked. And then just, fate of God, like turn around around he's just this dejected small man duggin's not a big guy

but he comes he stole your girl yeah i stole your girl i would have been fine with that uh 2020 right hindsight and oh my god a lot comes to me. Happen in 2020. We just came up with a new term called post Duggan clarity. Oh man. He comes to be one of the best stories in college football. Will Howard goes on to win a national championship. Shador Sanders, despite the draft thing, becomes one of the biggest names talked about in college

football quarterback position. The Big 12... Got a number retired. Yeah, it's numbers retired. The Big 12 doesn't always get the preseason hype, but they deliver in the quarterback room. Coming up, I do think Utah is the most important fan base in this conference. No! And I think what I'm saying makes sense!

Look at that smug face. Hit us. Where's that graphic of the worst person you noticed made a great point? I could use that right now. What's happening here? It's kind of a demeaning reason a little bit, but it's the importance. Okay. Cody, you were here from this couple of guys were here for this. When Texas was in the league, when they were good, we hated them. When they were bad, we hated them because they were pompous. They brag. And you know what? I know Bill from Grosbeck, Texas is a good dude

He's a UT fan, but he doesn't wear it on his sleeve. He's a normal college ball fan 90% of Texas fans are from Lorena or Coppell. They're normal people. It's the 10% that ruin the hole I think Utah in that cuz Jerry from Ogden. He's a good. He's a good dude He's just a huge fan fan, man. His whole family went there. The problem is that vocal minority, and BYU fans will tell you it's the entire fan base, the vocal minority can ruin it for the whole. But what it has created is now

Iowa State beats Cincinnati, Oklahoma State beats Cincinnati. You don't care, no one cares. But if you beat Utah, even if they're not good, beating Texas rocked every time, especially when they sucked. I think if you still have that presence in your conference, you create higher viewership, you create butts in seats, because they just want to see you beat that team everyone hates. If Utah

has become that or can become that they become the most important fan base most important team in the big 12. Yeah, but if you start the field is that when they beat Utah, people make fun of them. And I'm like, no, I'm all about this. There are range that that's fine. I don't care. I agree with Drake. That felt good to see the kids come onto the field. I will say having Utah is great because it means Houston wins a football game and doubles up a team of basketball. So I'll take all those all the time.

And you double your win total. That's a great point by Parker though, like we lost to Houston last year. I just don't feel like, you know, Texas became Texas, right? They had all this success that transformed them into something to me, there's a difference between we thought Utah was going to be good last year versus now they are consistently going to be compared to Texas and every year everyone will have Utah circled on their schedule. You guys can correct me if I'm wrong and maybe you still will this year but I don't think two years from now you're gonna have that your family has a whole army of bots that are claiming that Utah is gonna win big 12

this year. Jake what about your army of bots in my comments every day? That's just Jake. That's just Jake. That's not bots. Can's me. Andy. Can he pick at hands? For what it's worth, JT, we also beat Niner Pulse, West Virginia, the one time we got to play them in football. We're one-on-one against wherever Cam is, Baylor, and those guys. We've got a couple. I'll see you this year, Parker.

I'll see you this year. Drake's saying it's already Utah. I'm not sure it is. Like, yes, they were the villain last year. I agree with that. Maybe they are again this year. But I still feel like the Texas of this conference is gonna be determined by who goes on to have that success.

If it's ASU and they win back to back, they draw titles this year, then it becomes them. You know, initially I wanted to say you were crazy, Drake, but the more I think about it, it actually does make some sense because- The more JT speaks, the more Cody's behind him. I do hate JT. Let's just do both four and eight and then talk about how they're gonna win the national championship every single mother trucking year. Can I make one other suggestion? at Colorado, did they not have a say in this? Cause I feel like people like beating cook crimes.

Trans might actually be the right answer. Yes. I thought those gotta be the right answer because Colorado is one of the most viewed teams in college football and 80% of those views are people hoping that they lose, hoping they could go comment and deal in Sanders comment section. Like, Hey, your team sucks. Hey, where's that Louie Luggett? Hey, where's this? Like, when I get more text messages, I'll tell you this way, I get more messages or comments, when it's something negative about Colorado, right? When they were on a winning streak, and they were doing well, and there was like a, I mean, granted, like seven teams had a path to the big 12 championship. But when they had

a path to the big 12 championship, there was a lot less interaction. And then all of a sudden, they lose to Kansas and everyone's like, ha, again like my go look at like the coverage of the NFL draft everyone wanted Shador Sanders to fall because they wanted to hate on Colorado so I think Utah is probably like the big 12 answer if you exclude Colorado but I think there's probably not a team in college football that more people want to lose than Deion Sanders in college in Colorado. Excuse me. Yeah, it's not just the big 12. Like that's an awesome point is you got the whole nation that's just hate watching Colorado because of the way that Deion talks and because the way that Chador talks. Like that's totally valid. And if that continues to be a thing, I mean,

I don't, I don't see why that wouldn't be the case if you have another quarterback or another star player that comes on and is the big talker and backs up the Dion Sanders aura that he kind of brings out. I can totally see that. And to Richie's point, if Drake made the comp because of the way Texas was in this conference, obviously Houston won in at the same time, but as a person who lives in Texas, more people than the than just the big 12 celebrated Texas losses every time they have, right? Like, it didn't really matter what conference your team see USA, AAC, SEC, it didn't matter you people cheered

on watching for an orange teams lose, right? And so no one does that for you to outside the big 12, but I think people's do for Deon in Colorado. But why? What's the question I have is why? What would you really want to dig into? Why? Because I think it's a really multi-paceted answer. Pretty easy answer, right? There's the obvious one that no one wants to talk about, right?

Okay. Then there's also the reason that he's willing to be confident and loud, which is another reason that people dislike them. And I think there's also people reason that he's willing to be confident and loud, which is another reason that people dislike them. And I think there's also people who just don't like Colorado getting attention because it's not a traditional. That's like the furthest from the truth. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. That's like the way down there.

Okay. But I'm saying people hate that it's not a traditional program. They hate that he's trying to bring energy and I guess hype up a program that's not the Texas is the auto states. And then also, yes, I'm minority then they also brought in a rabbit fan base that isn't fully familiar with college football. And so when they beat TCU and all of a sudden there was the graphic of like who would win LSU versus Colorado. It's like the media was too excited for Colorado as well. And I don't think that helps their case as well. Well, you're talking about using the term like new money, essentially. We just talked about what Colorado is here.

It's kind of a BYU is right now at the power four level. What BYU is doing in the transfer portal. All it's done is alienate opposing fan bases. Hi, JT. Hi, Baylor. But Cody's fans, some of them. Cody, Oklahoma State fans. Cody was chill about it.

Cody was cool about it. I saw some Oklahoma State fans that were was chill about it. Cody was cool. I saw some Oklahoma State fans that were not happy about it. The thing is, though, people don't like new money to come in and supplant others. And that's what Colorado and BYU, they're disruptors. That's what they're doing to the sport right now. I would say one interesting thing in the comp. Like Colorado has so much coverage that people hate it. And

the YouTube thing, I think, was like an automatic red flag for most people because a lot of what Dion Sanders does behind closed doors is shown on YouTube. And although that happens at 99.9% of other schools, like nobody sees those conversations. And so I think that rubbed a lot of people the wrong way where they just think that college football

is like this perfect utopia where no one's feelings are hurt and stuff like that. Sorry, Parker. No, I was gonna say that a lot of the reasons you were saying but not saying about why people hate on Dionne and Colorado too are kind of the opposite at UT Austin, right? I mean, there was the whole fight song stuff and all that kind of like that they're standing firm on for whatever reason, like those kinds of things. I think almost it's a weird inverse that we people also hate on Colorado. Well, I want to double down on that point you just made because some people might want to push back but Bill from Grosbeck who's a Texas fan is traditional, I'll put it that

way. He's traditional, you know, 90% of these people are fairly traditional in the state of Texas and Colorado on the other hand, genuinely, you go to Fort Collins, Darryl who's a who's been a long time buffs fan from Fort Collins, probably is a very different person with a very different lifestyle than the guy who's in Grosbeck. And I do think that lends itself to how the university is perceived. And for UT, I think you've hit the nail on the head. It's kind of been the opposite of why a lot of people hate on Deion Sanders.

The one thing that's funny with Deion too is because he does a lot of things that traditional coaches and traditional fans of the sports would like and are about. For example, he has his guys playing the bowl game. He wants to have a spring game. You look at the way he tries to keep, what was the thing he did more about a few weeks ago? We had one of his like offensive linemen give his like insurance spiel in front of the team like that. That's why Dion does a lot of great things too. I think some people just get rubbed the wrong way over some of the social media stuff, but I think Dion's great for the sport. I love where we took this, the conversation of Utah being the most important.

I don't want to make the case that Colorado is the most important fan base. I want to make the case that Dion is the most important figure in the Big 12. He is the most important figure in the Big 12. It's not you, Drake. It's not you. Close. It's not Brent Yoramark. It's figure of the Big 12. I think Utah. It's not you, Drake. It's not you. Close. It's not Brett Yoramark.

It's not locked on Big 12. But I do think Deion Sanders commands that sort of attention worldwide. And Utah, at least for Big 12 fans, commands a rivalry for hopefully all. And that is something that is helpful. This was enlightening and entertaining. And maybe we should go back to an hour format. They can't lock down to Cody still Nick thoughts.

Second week in a row. Wow. Very good. I've seen the rivals port portal rankings. Well, the big 12 has a ton of teams in the rivals rankings. There you go. Like a ton. Texas Texas three. Texas Texas three one. Yeah. It's that post dugan clarity, baby.

Yeah. West Virginia's at number nine. I can't wait to hear next week who Drake ran into. Borough with the Bubs, Bradshaw of Sun Devils, JT Westersoll, Lockdown, Yates Bark, Rainsworth with the Cougs at Houston. This has been it always will be. Thanks for making it your first listen every single day. Locked on the Dose Grande Squad.