Locked On Jayhawks - Daily Podcast On Kansas Jayhawks Football & Basketball - BIG 12 SQUAD - Private Equity Deals are TAKING OVER the Big 12 | How this affects Kansas

Episode Date: May 7, 2026

Big 12 powerhouses rethink private equity as BYU and Houston reject RedBird Capital’s $30 million offer—could financial strategy shape the new conference elite? The Big 12 Squad dissects what BYU���s debt-averse philosophy means for their future, why Houston’s leadership is pressing pause, and whether Oklahoma State or Iowa State are positioned to take the risk, aiming to leap ahead in the evolving college sports arms race. Key segments explore how this RedBird deal differs from Utah’s approach, implications for NIL and facility upgrades, and the brewing ACC vs. Big 12 rivalry for Power Three status. Plus, get the latest on Big 12 baseball: West Virginia’s postseason surge, Oklahoma State’s must-watch battle with Arizona State, and whether coaching changes are on the horizon for BYU. Is this the start of a seismic shift in college sports funding? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

So this deal with Redbird that gives every Big 12 school $30 million in capital equity, you could opt in. You could just take the $30 million. BYU and Houston said no. We don't even want that money. Why? This is the Lockedon Dose Grande Squad. You're talking ball with the Big 12 squad.

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Drake Tolwood from Locked on Big 12. That's Parker-Answorth. Locked on Coogs, talking all things Houston. Cody Stove, Lockdown Oklahoma State. Jake Hatch, Locked on Cougars, BYU. Hey, by the way, if you love our shows and you want ad-free locked-on big 12, go to locked-on cougars.com or locked-on big-12.com or locked-on big 12. You get the gist, and you can mean every day or who has ad-free locked-on big 12. Let's start by saying thank you for making our shows your first list and every single day and going into private equity, capital equity, equity, what is this whole redbird deal? And why are schools saying no to it when Brett Your Mark has forged this new path of the Big 12 conference? we can certainly talk baseball, softball, Brendan Sorsby, whatever you want to, but that's where we have to start. If you hit subscribe, we all get to keep our jobs. The first one, the most recent is Houston to opt out of this deal.

The first one to opt out, the BYU Cougars were pretty vocal before it was even signed. Hey, if this goes through, we're probably not in. Jake Hatch, $30 million, and the Cougs just said no. Why? BYU does not take on debt unnecessarily. That's what this has, as a return rate of under 10%. But it is a loan. It's $30 million that you've paid up over a significant period of time, obviously, because $30 million is not instrumental. Let's be very clear.

It's not like bring yourself in massive debt. But BYU's whole philosophy, and it just goes back to being the flagship school, the Church of Jesus Christ, Lauderday Saints, they don't take on an unnecessary debt. All their buildings on campus are paid for before they're even ground, is even broken on them. That's just the way that BYU operates.

So that this, I get why it's attractive because obviously, hey, $30 million. That's awesome, but it's just not in BYU's M.O. Okay. Well, let's, by the way, not breaking ground for a building until it's paid for is crazy. I'm not sure if anybody else in the Big 12 is doing that or has ever done that. So I'd now flip it to Parker-Answorth because in the words of your head basketball coach, you're poor. Yeah, right.

Houston is poor. Why would Houston opt out? They just opted out. So Nunea has talked about it. And frankly, when the deal was struck by your mark last week, I spoke about it. I thought it would be a great deal for Houston. I thought the 10% paid back in the interest rate or whatever was actually pretty understandable and not that bad for the schools. It's not a true equity deal and they wouldn't own the schools, athletic department, anything like that either.

I thought it was pretty solid deal. I think what Nunez said that struck me was in looking at a long-term picture, July 1st will be the first time Houston's a full revenue share school in the Big 12, right? And he was thinking, like, in the big picture of this thing, of being a power four, Houston has been to a final four and been a 10-win football team with, like, relatively low investment. They're about to get a whole bunch of more money the old-fashioned way, so to speak, right? Like, why not play that out a little bit and see how that goes before you start taking on more debt, as Jake Hatch just pointed out? And frankly, like, unlike Jake and the BYU Cougars, we have built buildings without having them fully pay. paid off. And I think there's also some aspect like there's already some debt on campus to be paid off. Why add more when you haven't seen what those checks look like after the big investment in July?

Cody Stovall, no first time. Dude, I think this is primarily predicated upon your trajectory, right? So if Oklahoma State were to have this presented last year, there's no chance we make it. Because there's no chance that our team's going to be marketable and profitable enough over the next few years to pay it back. but if you're in a situation where you think your trajectories are going the right way, I think this does make sense, right? It's a gamble. It's a little bit of a risk.

But say you're in Oklahoma State and you've got the messmakers and the Hawkins and you've got Eric Morris, you got the new sexy fun hires. If it takes off, if Oklahoma State plays for a Big 12 title game or something crazy to that effect, then I do think that you have now marketed the university to a level where it makes sense. It's worth the risk to take the $30 million because your brand's going to be bigger and you're going to be able to pay it off faster. but if your trajectory is terrible, then you're just adding debt for no reason.

Well, and to your point, Cody, and I'll back up something that Parker talked about, Nunez may be thinking, because you point out, Parker, for the first time, July 1, so he'll be the same case where they get, they're going to full share revenue in terms of being members of the Big 12 conference.

This has got a full year term on it, in terms of Daniel to accept it. So to your point, Parker, they may be saying, okay, let's see what the money looks like when we get this full revenue share, and then we've got a whole year to decide if we need to add that later on the back.

in. It's not like you have to decide right now for that. So I guess to your point, Cody, trajectory could go up and then you decide you want to either move on from it or take it. And to Parker's point, they can look at kind of the numbers, get a full years look at what things look like in the real world, as it were, and then make that decision. Part of the Iowa State better take it. I think we're going to all agree with that one. Yes.

Well, the more that opt out, it is $500 million. The more that opt out, the more opportunity you have like, all right, BYU, you're giving out your share to others. Surely that number doesn't go down with a contract, but the number of the way you give it will change. Reported this week, Heartland College Sports, Matthew Postens did a really good article on this.

The Big Ten generated $1.47 billion in revenue. The SEC 1.03 billion. It's almost a $500 million gap between the Big Ten and the SEC in revenue. And there are more teams, the Big Ten and a lot of other factors, championship doesn't hurt the big 12 their revenue number 460 million dollars in comparison to a billion plus the other two leagues that's bad but 500 million dollars in your pocket today helps that that closes the gap more than the acc has been able to and what i like about this the more that i read about it it's a zero equity surrender so redbird doesn't have 15% control

the conference 10% control it's an immediate innovation capital and look, if you're Iowa State and you want to use it to bolster your NIL, your money dog. If you're Oklahoma State, you're going to build a brand new big ass basketball arena. Your money, boss, go do it. That autonomy is something that is different than other deals. Like the Utah deal, remember when they were going to be stupid rich? And then now, what, four months later, like, oh, why aren't they stupid rich? Because there was more fine print.

I'll add on to that, Drake. That deal with Ocho Capital Partners for Utah was supposed to be finalized first quarter. of 2026 and we're now firmly in the second quarter and it's still not done. There are major question marks about what the viability of that deal is. And I know that I mentioned the fact that BYU, just the way the BYU operates, everything, they make sure that they have endowments in place and everything when it comes to building buildings and everything they do on campus, just the way the BYU operates. Utah, on the other hand, when they were in the PAC 12, they went on a building spree and

they have got major, major amounts of money that are going to come due in relatively short order. There's question marks, at least from my vantage point, as to why this deal is not finalized for them, because they're talking about having $500 million in the bank. And it seems like they're no closer to having that deal finalized than when they announced it all those months ago. What's the downside? Let's go there. We'll keep it on that. But we'll jump at a segment too with downsides of the schools that do opt into this.

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Hey, I have a quick question, Drake. Now, I don't know a massive differentiation between the Utah deal and this private equity deal for the Big 12. But the biggest thing, I think even Parker mentioned, was that you, don't lose an ownership percentage of your university. And that's what most of these deals were orchestrated around. Is that the same thing for Utah?

Is there any proprietary ownership of Utah? Utah is spinning off a portion of their athletic department to create a whole thing called Utah Brand Initiatives, which is a partnership between this Ocho Capital and the University of Utah. So, Cody, they're essentially creating a whole new entity that has parts of the athletic department, along with having Ocho Capital partners, some of their people working together. to maximize profitability for Utah athletics. And there is a stake that Ocho Capital will be in terms of being able to pull money out of that deal over time.

I don't think it has necessarily an ownership stake in Utah athletics, but it creates a whole new, essentially a pseudo athletic department for the youths. Yeah. Is this a year-to-year thing? So like if you were BYU and Houston opt out this year, could they opt in the next season? Is that verbiage kind of spelled out? Well, we're on effectively a trial run here. That year gap is kind of an opt-in-up that.

Let's see how we don't. So where Hatch said, hey, there's kind of a hard line for Utah to figure it out in quarter one. They didn't do that. We don't have as hard of a line to make this whole thing go today. And I have to answer your question, too, add a bit. The Utah Brands Entertainment LLC is a for-profit company that Utah started. Otroucappar is still a minority owner while the university is a majority. and Redbird doesn't own a piece of the Big 12.

So the, and look, the deal for Utah would be a much larger capital deal. The Big 12 is taking $500 million and divvying it among 16 teams. Utah signed a $500 million deal for themselves alone. Problem is nobody really knows where that money is right now. I have a bigger question on the Redbird thing, though, and this may launch us to a different, like, avenue completely. When you look at what Redbird has taken over. ownership of, right? Because you mentioned private equity firms take some portion of whatever. They own a notable stake in Paramount CBS. There he goes. He's hitting it and did it.

This feels this this feels like it's honestly a precursor relationship. Hey, let's go on a first date. Hey, let's just go get coffee. Right. Let's see what things are like before you go to the big ballroom or whatever. Right. I think that this feels more like the big 12 is doing this thing to kind of shake hands. and see like, hey, look, we can get along, right, before ultimately a Paramount CBS deal happens. And at this point, it was just a couple of years. I had a baby Parker. That was a full screen moment, baby. He did it. He did it. And Parker, to your point, they own the CBS.

They own Paramount, so they own CBS. This will be adding TNT soon. Those are the two kind of growing entities in the sports media space right now. They want to add a bunch of sports properties. We're seeing TNT since they lost the NBA. They're investing across the board in terms of. of adding sports property. So I think you've nailed it, Parker. This could be kind of the, yeah, the first date, as it were, is this stance between these two

entities goes along. Amazon with Duke as well. Yeah. Yeah, the way that we're getting creative in TV deals is, is further exacerbated by stuff like this and Duke. And with a move like this, somebody asked me, why Redbird? Why would Redbird do this? Well, they're in a spot now where they can take, I mean, who doesn't want control of college

athletics right now? the name recognition they're going to get out of this is going to be substantial and tying themselves possibly the and this is why I think it goes a lot deeper for Redbird and the Big 12 tying themselves with a direct media partner to TNT and CBS in 2013. That's where it looks like this is all pointed is that in 20131 where CBS needs a new football, big football brand and TNT wants a big football brand. The Big 12 with the right offer could say, hey, ESPN, we're good. we're going to buy into CBS, T&T, and that's our media rights. And then you're saying, well, no, ESPN's the worldwide leader in sports. Why would you ever leave ESPN? The MLB's done it.

The NHL has been, I would say the NHL to the NBA, some products feel like they've been almost ruined by this. And so they've got to prime and they're hanging out with Amazon. They want to go do these. Like the Big 12 is not in a terrible spot by saying, you know what ESPN? We're okay not having you at the forefront of our athletics. And Drake, I'll add to this. It gives you leverage against ESPN too. because the ESPN obviously is in bed with the SEC.

We all know this Foxx. This gives you that leverage when it comes to those negotiations with ESPN. Hey, you want to lowball us? We'll jump over here. And that causes the competition to where you can leverage more money out of all these entities altogether. Now, does this put us any closer to the ACC falling apart? I answer that question to this week, actually, college ball addiction, T.J. Pittenger. And what I said is, I think what the Big 12 is doing with something like this is,

separating themselves from the ACC in that it's always the Judd-Aptow buddy cop movie where there are two nerds, one nerd wants to be cool. The one nerd gets invited into the cool club, the other nerd gets forgotten, and they make up at the end become friends again. We don't want to make up at the end to become friends again.

We of the two nerds want the invite to be in the cool club. We ditch those guys. If the Big 12 can separate itself into a power three, because high school recruits or transfers love to use this verbiage. I've talked to a few recruits who say power four, I'm going to play into power four. There's Division one. I'm a Division one athlete. I'm a Power 4 athlete. It means two different things. If they

can get into the power three, if that's what this is trending toward and the ACCC loses Florida State and Clemson, the Big 12 is alive as a conference as opposed to what the Pack 12 is going through. Florida State Clemson and Miami, which may have a your mark by the time this drops. So who knows how all that goes? Do you think, though, and I was going to come back around for if this is all about having a good first date with CBS, do you need schools to sign on to the 30 million in a way that Houston? Are we having a bad coffee date if schools don't sign on? Because Houston, like I said, on Monday, Houston said they're not. And BYU says they're not. If it's only a few teams, I don't think it's a big deal. But if it starts to you grow,

legs and a bunch of teams, then yeah, I think it's a terrible. And the initial report on this was that they thought that for you as two and maybe as many as half dozen total in the Big 12 we're going to take on this deal. So they wouldn't have put this together if they thought a lot of people were going to opt out. I wouldn't imagine. Yeah, I think they had an idea of how many schools were actually interested in doing it when they put it together. Yeah. Paul, do you have the idea where West Virginia sits with this equity deal with Redbird?

You know, it's interesting. I actually did a show on this the other day. And I'll just say it like this. West Virginia basketball was able to, you know, really spend money. this offseason. I feel like we were able to do that without any help from any kind of private equity or any kind of loan or anything like that. And if you can continue to do that, I don't know why you would want to borrow against anything and have to pay it back later. I get it. It's a good deal on everything. But I don't know. I haven't spoken anybody at the university

really about it. I think that it's something that it's nice to have, but I don't know that necessarily it's something that we have to do right now. We feel. like we're in a pretty good place. I mean, I do like a lot of things about it. You know, it avoids nonprofit legal issues. There's, you know, equity, there's the equity ownership conflicts that you'd avoid that, like the NCAA governance problems you avoid. You keep conference control intact with it. You, you know, you get an advisor in Redbird. So like there's a lot with it that I do like. But there is a little bit of a conflict of interest, right? Because you've got Redbird that's going to be advising the conference.

It's going to lend money to the schools, has ties to the CBS and TNT, like you said. But the schools that borrow the money may feel pressure to kind of like take the highest paying TV deal, which may not necessarily be the best long-term deal. And so it could push the Big 12 towards the biggest check, not the smartest move. Does that make sense?

I got a second question then. I, again, I teach history not math. why wouldn't the biggest check be the smartest check? 10% interest is pretty hot. On the dos A grande. On the dos A grande squad. So, Parker, you just said the biggest check, smartest check. Yeah, expound on that.

To be like too simple or what I just mean like if a check is about money, I want the most zeros on mine. You can take, I mean zeros. I want more zeros than the next guy, right? That's the goal I thought. I get that. 10% interest is kind of high, though, because you're paying back future TV money, which means you're going to mortgage your future in some ways, which if revenue doesn't grow enough,

you're going to get into a financial squeeze type situation. So basically you're going to be borrowing against money that you don't have yet. That's kind of the conflict, in my opinion. That's why I go back to the trajectory thing. Like there's some teams in the Big 12 where I think this doesn't make sense. If you can see yourself in debt over the next three or four or five years, maybe it's not the best move. But at the same point in time,

some of the teams like in Iowa State, it's probably worth the debt, right? They probably need to roll that dice and make that gamble. Most college programs operate in some level of debt. I mean, there's only less than two dozen operating the green on a year-to-year basis. And that's my mandate for BYU. I'll be very blunt. The universities told them.

Crazy, I am. The athletic department, the only way that athletic department exists at BYU is if they can kill what they eat, essentially. Eat what they kill. And they operate independently for long time. Right. And I think that the interesting thing about it, though, is that, like, in the grand scheme of college athletics, power four, power three athletics, three million dollars of debt isn't all that much debt when you look around the room, right? And if it's 10% of the 30, again, I teach history and out of math, but that doesn't seem like it just feels like a fairly, if you can turn that 30 into something worth more than 33 million, you're making money on it, frankly. Well, I mean, what about this angle then? Could it create a little bit of a competitive imbalance?

Some teams take the 30, others don't. So the rich within the conference get richer. They don't have to worry about that financial squeeze question that Cody brought up inside the same conference. The NIL facilities, maybe that gap widens a little bit. Could it create tiers inside the Big 12? Is that a possibility? Well, don't we already have tiers kind of existing as it is? Because you look, you look, well, we're told all the time.

That's right, guys. E.H.4 is Tier one. Thank you for me. I'm just, I'm just playing devil's advocate. I'm not saying this is necessarily outfield. No, MP, to your point, I think it's well taken. But here's the thing. Couldn't Cody Campbell cut a $30 million check to Texas Tech anytime he wanted? Yes. I'm very confident that BYU has a handful of boosters that if push came to shove, they could call them up and say, hey, we need $30 million, those boosters would come up with it. That. And one of them is Jay Cash because he has so many sucks. Right. That's why I'm on this podcast, boys. No, but the point is, to your point, MP, I think we already have divisions and tears in this conference as is. To Cody's point, Iowa State, based on how everything's operating in Ames, they seem to be dragging bottom barrel right now in terms of trying to generate revenue. So to their, they probably need that $30 million, whereas a BYU, like they could probably call their boosters and come up with that money if need be. And it wouldn't be where it had a 10% return on it. My last little thing on this is that people spend the money poorly.

Sure. That's going to lead to issues as well for, but it's not, it's not going to be, it's going to be like at each university individual necessarily. Like it's, you know, if you spend it and like, well, let's give an example, Rimm Baker obviously hired Ross Hodge and now we've had to really invest in him to get him a good team on the floor. If that were happened to be the 30 million that we use for, you know, and it goes wrong. what happens to Rand Baker from there, that kind of thing. You know, these are the things I thought of, like, trying to think of what could be bad about a loan that you're not giving any ownership away.

Yeah. Like, there's a lot on the surface that looks really good about it. I think you, Paul, actually bring up a really good point that I didn't think of. I would imagine most of us didn't. This is going to come down to how good your administration is. Yes. Like, this is going to come down to your GMs and the people behind the scenes that push the numbers and make the things happen. So I think every school in the conference, you just mentioned, is there going to create tears?

Is there going to create an imbalance? We're about to find out the teams that are better at managing the money, managing the situation, managing this era are probably going to be more successful. And the teams that have, you know, I don't know, ADs and GMs and things that spend the money wrong are going to end up in a Mike Gundy situation. And MP's point, I would not invest this money. If you're going to take it, don't invest it in personnel. It's being in players and coaches because guess what? they leave. And guess what?

There goes your ROI. So it needs to be invested in something else other than personnel. I also think, though, that to Cody's point that the idea you need better administration, whatever, to make sure you work in it right, that kind of sounds like what, at least Houston, and it sounds like also BYU are saying is the reason that they're not doing this. It's like, actually, given status quo, you know, we have built a 10-win football team last year and a final four basketball team a year before that. and we're kind of getting this lump sum

and the conference thing at the start of July 1st or the next academic year because it's a first year as a full-time conference member. Actually, we've done pretty well in finding those diamond in the rough transfer portal guys. We don't need to take on debt to do exactly that anyway. Parker, are you a little surprised that Houston is going to back out? To the point that I actually argued last week,

this is going to help Houston. I think the biggest thing to me is the Nunez's comments, about we're doing fine, why take on extra debt if things are moving in the right direction. And that's when Jake- Calvin Samson then.

Well, yeah. I will say Calvin's had a pretty good, it's a lot of mid-matric guys. It's had a pretty good transfer pour around. I think the other thing that was like Jake said, like this is a 365-day offer. So if like we're sitting here next April and Kelvin's like,

give me some more money, damn it. Like then we sign it, right? Like that's not going to be good. Yeah, like that could be a whole different thing. but yeah i just thought of mark i just thought of mark pope for no reason at all we need to be careful quoting basketball coaching the show right i probably shouldn't have probably shouldn't this one ah that dot dot ben down ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha talk

speaking of press virginia country roads how about them mountaineers coach sanan yesterday go myles sadler uh we've got probably two and a half three minutes left here. Brendan Soresby hired, Cassely, it's is all. Yeah, baseball is good. We don't have enough time to argue in wax poetic. Really? The source had a whole research on baseball. Oh my gosh. You know what? My research is who the next coach is. Paul, the West Virginia Mountain Air Baseball team. You have a minute and six seconds ago. The West Virginia baseball team sweep, swept Kansas sweep. Swept. Swept Kansas State over the weekend. Looked really good. 31 and 12 now, 16 and 8 in the league and top 20.

Obviously, after Pitt, absolutely embarrassed us in a one game. Just, I've never seen a drubbing like that. What was that final score, Cody? Do you remember? Nope. It was like 24 to 2 or something. It was insane. One of the worst losses we've ever had.

But now 16 conference wins obviously puts us right in the title race, which is good. We already have multiple conference series wins. We have two sweeps. I think they're playing their best baseball right now, man. I really do, which is a big. deal for seating. And I think, you know, this may not be, they're kind of out of the can they make the regional conversation. And I think it's kind of like how high can they climb. I mean, they have 13 runs versus K State, three home runs in one inning that like seven different players

reported an RBI in that game. So, and, you know, they've got several guys that are playing well right now with Tyrus Hall, Gavin Kelly, Sean Smith, Matt Enoch, Paul Schoenfield. A lot of guys really showing up for him right now. And so they're winning, man. With situational baseball, they've been in big innings, pressure style where they force mistakes and turn those into big innings. And they'll beat you with power or they'll beat your eyes out, Dan, with pressure baseball. Let me say real quick, Drake, Oklahoma State versus Arizona State, that is going to be the ticket for everybody in the country to watch. It's Colin Richie versus Landon-Harrison, number two in the country and home runs versus number three in the country and home runs.

They have a top five guy and strikeout, so do we. Oklahoma State, Arizona State, everybody needs to get eyes on this one. Because we swept Drake's favorite team. You know what they made me think of? The long ball. Chicks dig the long ball. Wow. Did you actually control that, Parker?

I haven't popped stuff up there. I'm the one that hits the for all the Houston fans are so with Drake. I hit the wear board button more often than Drake does. On Houston baseball, the name to know is Nolan, Why Nolan Kane? He's an assistant coach at University of Texas. He could very well be your next head baseball coach at Houston once they let things expire with the current winning situation. He coached and played at LSU while Nunez was at LSU.

Obviously he's an LSU guy. The LSU coach did not go anywhere anytime soon. They've won two at the last three world series. But I think proving himself as a head coach at a Power 4 school would certainly go a long way to getting closer to that LSU job. He probably won't at some point. he's went from coaching LSU to then coaching A&N with the staff at Texas and he's obviously very close with them but that is a name I'd say keep an eye yeah Hatch BYU baseball shot at the tournament

they're not bad not bad they're falling flat on their face right now like you called I think two weeks ago like the things were falling apart and they've fallen even further like they've gone from being on the bubble of making a regional to being so far off it there's no chance outside of making a miracle run at the big 12 tournament. My question now is, are we going to see a change at the top for BYU baseball? That's my question. Oh, wow. Well, I mean, you guys are investing in everything else. It might be a time to do it. Yeah, there's, and your facilities and the atmosphere of that, like that's a good kind of place. Y'all should be pretty doggone good at baseball.

Yep. So I, that's kind of what I'm, now I'm kind of looking at Parker's time out. Could they be making a change? I'd said, a lot of baseball players. I've worked around on my whole life, love booze and women. Two things they don't let you have a BYU. Unless you're the starting quarterback and he kicked out six months later. Oh, no. Yeah, I went to Tulane, the number one party school in America. What a comeback. I'm going to New Orleans, baby.

Did he really lose that situation? That's crazy. We've had two. And he went to the playoffs. He's the only one who got to playoff. Yeah. And we had one that went to New Orleans and the one that went to Vegas. Life is good.

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