Locked On Jayhawks - Daily Podcast On Kansas Jayhawks Football & Basketball - BIG 12 SQUAD - The Big 12 could REALIGN SOON | What does this mean for Kansas?

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

Nebraska and Oklahoma eye stunning Big 12 returns—could college football rivalries be revived? Drake Toll leads a high-energy debate on reshaping conference realignment, assessing the impact of regional matchups, recruiting battles, and which programs could restore the Big 12’s national prestige. Insightful takes from Jake Hatch and Cody Stovall spotlight Big 8 nostalgia, Missouri’s SEC regrets, and the real cost of chasing bigger paydays for schools and fans alike. The crew breaks down Brett McMurphy’s latest college football playoff projections, questioning Utah’s hype and examining BYU and Texas Tech’s playoff potential. From NIL-fueled arms races to the implications of G5 programs dropping sports, Locked On Big 12 Squad combines passionate fan perspectives with deep analysis. Will the Big 12 find its new flag bearer, and can realignment bring back the excitement college football fans crave? Don’t miss this dynamic roundtable on the future of the conference! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Nebraska trying to get back into the Big 12. Oklahoma being proposed by USA today to also return. That's crazy. It just might happen. This is Locked on Big 12. Squad. You're talking ball with the Big 12 squad. From Oklahoma State to Utah, from Kansas State to BYU.

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Let's start in the realignment sphere here. There's been a lot of ruffled feathers the last couple of weeks, guys, over Nebraska, wanting to come, they tried to come back to the Big 12 at one point. And that Bob Bowlesby conversation was a very Bob Bowlesby conversation of Bob being Bob and how different the Big 12 could look if we actually did,

college football right because regionally we don't do it right we have Rutgers playing UCLA um and as we start there just a quick note nugget we man this is just us being nice it's just being good people we record the shows monday night by then a lot of basketball has happened thursdays are reprieve back in college football give you a taste of that just because we don't want to be talking about basketball topics that are three days old and seen jk hatch cody stowball cody you're you're an original eight guy bring back the big eight baby bring back bedlam drake anytime somebody starts having this big eight conversation it makes me feel some type of way i go taladega night's moat i can feel it in my loins and a rumble of the race i need this back in my life just you talk about the

regionality i think it affects recruiting in a way that doesn't get talked about enough we already know that high school recruits are getting screwed the most in this wild wacky world of transfer portal n i l that we live in but i think if you had more regionality that would help with recruiting guys there's a reason that Nebraska used to be more dominant than OU or at least equal to OU and dominance. And I think a larger of that is geographical footprint. So they need to be back in the Big 12 as much as we need them because we don't have any freaking rivalries, fellows. We lean on the Holy War and hope that carries the weight compared to Bama, Georgia,

and OU, Texas, all these other games. And I hate it, man. It blows my mind. It's the only thing Great Your Mark has failed on is generating rivalries in this conference. If you do this, that sorts all of that out. And I do think it puts the Big 12 more on a national respectable pedestal. Hatch, would you take a Nebraska? Do you want that?

Does a BYU fan want that or do you want to become the new darling, be the new Nebraska? No, I would actually like to see Nebraska come back into this league because it brings kind of the traditional Big 12 feeling back to this league. I'm not saying that BYU wouldn't be obviously getting extra competition to be atop this league. But that Nebraska is synonymous with Midwest football. not Big 10 football, and that's the big eight, that's the Big 12. So if Nebraska has any inkling of coming back home, yeah, get them back here. And same thing for Missouri, same thing for Oklahoma. I'll take any and all of those.

If they want to come back to the Big 12, the more the merrier in my world. Well, what's the biggest knock on the Big 12 is we don't have a flag bear. We don't have a blue blood. We don't have somebody that can carry that mantle. Nebraska could come back to the Big 12 and at least carry that from a cashay perspective. It's a national talking point, right? us being in the Big 12, we see it a little bit differently. But at the same point in time, that's why you want Miami.

If the ACC falls apart, you've got to have a flag bear, and we currently don't have one. Nobody's ran away with it, right? Arizona State, BYU, nobody has taken the mantle of we're going to be that team yet. And Nebraska, unfortunately, they still carry that level of cash. They're still kind of a blue blood. And I think they would have more success in the Big 12, which would help the Big 12. I think we need this, Drake. I really do.

So the reason a big piece of this conversation kicked up, John Kurtz has done a great job of covering it, by the way, and I like listening to his. I think Rising Tide lifts all boats. There's no competition. Oh, look, a competitor, John Kurtz. I love John Kurtz's stuff. Sorry, Sue me. He kind of sparked this conversation. And from there, folks have ran with it in building their own realignment scenario. So I want to show you guys, one that I found this week, if FBS conferences were based on geography. Now, some of this, you just, you can't, it's never going to make sense. That being, because you'd have a conference. of Michigan, Ohio State, and Kent State, Eastern Michigan, Akron, the Mac, right? Because they're all close. If we could go back to day one of college football and start all over and have a conference where, hey, what if BYU, Oregon, Utah, Washington, Wyoming all had the exact same leg up, all had the exact same starting point on third base and could try to build in college football. This could work, but it makes me think, too, man, how neat would it have been?

If we could have just gotten it right from the beginning, money has ruined it, But regionality in college football is something we're missing at an extreme rate. And that's where I think we lose the nostalgia of the sport. That's why I think we've got to a callous point now where a lot of fans are saying, okay, I don't like watching Georgia play Ohio State every week anymore, every year anymore in the playoff. I want to see the underdogs and the fun matchups that are rare and unique. Well, and to your point, Drake, because this is a sport that was built on that regionality.

And you mentioned the money's kind of ruined it all. Realignment, it was driven all by money. It always goes back to money. That's the sad part about this because we're seeing the professionalization of college sports unfolding right before us. And there's no way to go back to what it once was sadly. Just the toothpaste is out of the tube at this point. And even as much as I would love to you point out kind of that Northwest 12 team conference there that includes BYU, Utah, Colorado, Washington, Oregon. That'd be phenomenal.

That'd be a really, really fun league. The sad part is just with the powers that be right now, there's no way that anybody's ever going to agree to go back to what it was. it's only going to get forward with what it is currently. So when I see that graphic, I see Arkansas State, I kind of laugh. I see Missouri State, unless it's baseball only, I kind of laugh. I see Tulsa, I get sad, all right? I may have shed a tiny tear just now, but this is a huge opportunity for Brett Yormark. We're talking about realignment and how everybody's going coast to coast now in realignment.

What if Brett Yormark was the only commissioner that actually tried to bring things back to how they used to be? If Brett Yormark is the dude that tries to bring the Big Eight back together, I think from a marketability profitability standpoint, that does a lot for the Big 12. It makes the Big 12 substantially different instead of a conference that's fighting with everybody else to grab all of these available teams. I don't even know if you could consider OU part of this, right? OU and A&M, they act a little SEC-ish. They have SEC money.

So they might make a little bit of sense. But Missouri, if you were to ask them if they regret leaving the Big 12, they would be stupid to say otherwise. Same could be said about Nebraska. I think this would be huge for Brett Yormark. If he's like, well, everybody else is racing to go to the coast and get Yukon and fight for Gonzaga. We're trying to bring everything back to the roots of college football. We're trying to keep things where they used to be.

That might bring a fan base back in because you're all right, Drake. A lot of us, old heads, we've kind of given up on loving college football again. Covering it is different. Loving it is starting to become more difficult. Brett Yomark can capitalize here. Cody just said something that a lot of you are going to think is stupid, but he's right. And it's that Missouri would come back to the Big 12. They make so much money.

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Wins defined the moment, putting in the work, that defines you. There's more to a Mazda because there's more to you. Cody Sobal, you ask a Missouri fan from Joplin. Hey, would you go back to the Big 12? going back to Big 12, we make more money here. I would say, and fans get so caught up in the dollars. That extra $20 million, Mizzou makes every year, didn't go to Dan and Springfield. It didn't go to Jerry in Joplin.

And Billy and Branson is still struggling to pay his bills, even though Missouri is getting $20 million more dollars a year. So you can argue, like, oh, it's so much more fun than my school has. But yeah, the kids have a new hot tub. They do. They've got a new hot tub. A, didn't put a dime in your pocket. B, somehow your ticket prices still went up and C, you're losing more games. You're losing at a more alarming rate because the competition is stiffer in the SEC.

Is that what you wanted an oversaturated conference with solid teams at the top? I think your viewer experience got much worse when you left the Big 12 because you can't compete on an annual basis to win the SEC. I think you're 100% accurate. I don't think any Missouva. It's kind of like OU fans, let's be real. OU fans with their bluster, they're going to be like, no, we would absolutely not. But deep down inside, they miss being the top dog. They miss being a team that holds trophies instead of a team that's just somewhat competitive.

I would imagine that if you inserted some truth serum and even OU fans, they would probably prefer to come back to the Big 12. They'll never admit it, though, and I understand why. Missouri's a little bit of a different case, man. They had a lot of success in the Big 12. In multiple sports, it wasn't just football. they were competitive across the board, and they have lost a lot of that in the SEC.

And you cannot tell any of us with a straight face that this shift to the SEC is not directly responsible for their downfall because they have to compete now with Bama for recruits instead of Oklahoma State. I think it matters. I think they're struggling. Well, I'll just add this. Obviously, BYU for years when they were at the G6 level,

Mountain West, Wack era, they were the top dog in their league. It's just the way BYU kind of operated in Utah and TCU had moments in the leagues that they were in with BYU, where they also operated as a top dog. BYU's been accustomed to kind of being that in a league that they've been in. And I think they aspire to be that here in the Big 12. But to your point, Cody, if you're talking to a Missouri fan in their heart of hearts, yeah, they want to compete at a far higher level than they're competing at in the SEC. You mentioned Oklahoma. They love being front runners.

There's just no doubt about that. And I think they would like to be a top. the big 12 and where they can really kind of run this league. And it goes to the same thing for Nebraska, for example. They have been so accustomed for decades at being that proverbial top dog that now that they are playing fifth, six, seventh fiddle in these respective leagues that they have joined in the name of collecting it the almighty dollar. Well, guess what?

There is something to be said for being as competitive as you can be in a league that may not make you top dollar. Cody, that, yeah? I think, I think Jake kind of hits the nail. on the head here that it the profitability it's great the money you're getting it's great but as you mentioned great it's not going to the fans okay let's

rewind this why did Nebraska's 80 reach out to Bob Bowlesby about at least exploring the idea of getting back to the Big 12 because he kept getting complaints about the travel and the investment and donors are saying I don't want to keep doing this this doesn't make sense why are we paying X, Y and Z to get

nothing the return on investment has been atrocious for Nebraska it's going to be the same for Missouri, right? Their return on investment in the SEC has been atrocious. I don't care who you are. You want to be competitive, right? As Oklahoma State, we were super competitive. We were competing with OU for Big 12 titles for 15 of 18 years. And we've gotten so far away from that. We just want to be competitive again. We just want to be relevant again. Missouri goes through stretches where they're irrelevant for five, six, seven years. That's insane to me.

Yeah. I, man, I, I, I, I, I, I know. Another piece of this conversation that we don't get to know, we're Big 12 guys, is Marshall. Like, why? What does Marshall have to do with this? The disparity in money between the Big 12 and the SEC is that gap's massive, right? But we can still fend for ourselves pretty well. Iowa State's not cutting tennis yet. You know, they're not cutting golf yet. Right.

But like Marshall, I saw a video yesterday of the entire American Athletic Conference. standing around an indoor swimming pool holding the hands of the Marshall swim team. We found out last week their program has been cut. Yeah. Like this is your last opportunity to compete and you're not. You think about your sophomore swimming at Marshall. You aren't going to Marshall anymore if you want to keep swimming in college. Let me let me.

Yeah. Eddrich real quick, Drake is I think that that what you're describing right there is why programs like North Dakota State are making the lead to the mountain west. So Sacramento State is paying top dollar. to get into the Mac of all things because they see that that ship kind of sailing away and realizing if we don't get on that ship now even as crazy even as like the long shot it is to make it onto the I guess other ship in a way like to transfer the tugboat yeah yeah you've you've got to get on that boat because if you don't and that's yeah that's what marshals dealing with right now that's what all these programs that are I hate seeing the term have nots but that's what it is

because you're right Iowa state's not cutting sports yet be one IU's not cut in sports yet, but Marshall and these G5, G6 programs, they have to consider that because if they truly want to compete in the biggest sports, speaking of football and men's basketball, guess what? It requires more and more money being funneled that way, taking money away from these other sports. Yeah. And if you, sorry. If you have the backing, you should enjoy it, right?

A lot of schools are getting rid of sports. Oklahoma State sitting here trying to consider whether we're going to build a hockey ring and bring hockey into the fold. And it looks like it's actually a viable. option. There's actually investors and donors pumping this stuff and pushing this stuff. That cowgirl wrestling is kind of taken off and becoming a thing. We might be adding sports. So cowboy country, we're not broke, right? Mike Gundy calling us poor. That wasn't true. We were just waiting on a reason to reinvest. We have found those reasons. It's good to be in cowboy country, even though it's been a little bit of a struggle the last

couple years. Well, I'll just say from the BYU perspective on this, for years, BYU boosters and Drake and Cody, you know how robust the booster base is for BYU. For so many years, there was not a, I guess you call it a legal means for them to be able to invest the way that they wanted to invest in BYU athletics. With NIL and the advent of that becoming above board, BYU booster is like, I'm in, let's do this thing. And to BYU's credit also, they opened the floodgates and said, okay, if you want to invest money in this, we will invest it where you want us to invest it and we'll put it into athletics. And that's why BYU is on what feels like a very much equal footing just three years into their big 12 tenure because that money has completely changed the dynamic for the Cougars.

I think we just saved college football. Good job. Good work, guys. We'll be the commissioners of the sport now. Coming up, Brett Mc Murphy just released his way too early college football playoff. It features two big 12 teams. One of them, big surprise. This is the Dose Grande Squaw.

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locked on listening experiences. This is a lot of lot. Brett McMurphy's way too early college football playoff where he has Notre Dame winning the national championship. That's not. I think we lost Drake's audio there. But Cody,

but he points out, Notre Dame winning the Natty K, that's one thing. But did you notice right there, Utah as a playoff team? I see that. And you know what? This is disrespectful because Brettman Murphy is an Oklahoma state alum.

He should be pumping this Drew Mestemaker, Caleb Hawkins, Wyatt Young to the CFP. more than anybody. I cannot believe ESPN beat an alum to Oklahoma State getting into the CFP conversation. This is, oh, this is an egregious crime by a cowboy.

And that, that's the interesting part about this, Cody, is that Utah's got a whole new look in their coach. I know it's a holdover with Morgan Scally taking over. He's been forever, but it's a new look on that offensive staff and whole new offensive line. I know that Devon Dampeer is back,

but I understand why Texas Tech is there. It's very clear that Texas. Tech is going to be playoff caliber. I'm just a bit floored that Brett McMurray, to your point, an Oklahoma State alum, he's back in the youths more than he is O State. Well, it's got to be disrespectful to you, too. Like, you guys have been the next best team in the Big 12 for two straight years and got screwed over two straight years.

So if anybody's going to be poised for that position to compete with tech, automatically it should be BYU. This love, this infatuation that everybody has with Utah, I don't. flipping get it fellas. Hello, jens. Hi, good to see you. Hey, buddy. It's me.

It's me. Here's what I don't get. I had J.T. Westersell in the show earlier this week, my show to talk about it. Utah is losing its entire offensive line. On coach, offensive coordinator, head coach, by the way. John Henry Daley, pretty good player. They're losing eight, I don't know, stars is a strong word, but they're losing like eight pretty solid contributors, either NFL

draft or to Michigan that were stalwarts last year or would have been great next year. How do you, they lost their OC. Is it just Devin Dampier that can Brett McMurphy name more than Devin Dampier on their roster? I would like him to name more than him and Weishon Parker because it was really the two that I'm thinking of. Right. I can say that Braden Pagan comes down from Utah State is their potential number one wide receiver. But I just, I get where some people believe so heavily in Utah because they were so

consistent during their Pac-12 era. But the problem is, there's a massive, massive change over here, even though a lot of the names they're still there are holdovers because, yeah, Morgan Scalli's been there forever. But you mentioned new offensive coordinator, new offensive identity. Are they going to gel with that quarterback tandem, both Devon Dampeer and Bird and Fickland with Kevin McGiven as their new offensive coordinator? What does the new old line look like? I know that Kelvin Obot is the highest rated offensive tackle prospect in the entire country, and they're figuring he's going to hold down one of those spots,

but there's four other guys on that offensive line that have to hold it down. Braden Pagan was really good at Utah State, but will that translate to the power four level? I don't really question much of their defensive stuff. I just trust that they'll get it right, because they've been very good defensively. But yet again, question marks about Utah's offense, and that's kind of been what has just been the bugaboo of their chances of

really achieving true greatness in college football. And I'll just say from my side of things, I'm sitting over here like, what does BYU you got to do to earn some respect around here? Well, guys, and Utah didn't even go out and get Hoss Haney, which we all know is better than Devin Dampier. So it doesn't make sense. So I've been told.

Maybe our fellow cowboy, Brett Mc Murphy, was indulging in the spirits a little heavily. Maybe that was that. Could be. That could be the next thing. Notre Dame winning and Natty also doesn't make any sense either because I don't think the record's going to set them up to be successful in the playoffs. They're going to run into a brick wall when they enter the playoffs because their schedules extremely soft. Yeah, they have a couple of games.

Cody, they're going to run into a brick wall in Provo, Utah, in mid-October. Let's just put it that way. But they're still going to get in the playoff because they're going to win all those other Cup cake games in between them. And then they're going to get to the playoff and they're going to get their face kicked in because they're not prepared. When you only have one tough game all year, I'm sorry. You're not prepared for the physicality of playoff football. You might not even be prepared for the physicality of bowl game football. This is the worst year ever to give Notre Dame this pass is with this schedule that Notre Dame got.

It's absolute insanity to me, fellas. You know, on that Utah front, though, the schedule is so easy to start the year. Idaho, Arkansas, Utah State. You to what? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. State. I don't think Iowa State is going to be very good. Kansas at home.

Win. That's a winner 5 and 0. And then they go at Colorado. Should be a win. Yeah, they might start 6 at 0 next season, given the schedule they have. That can propel. Now, you know, we've seen plenty of teams Cincinnati's great example this year, just completely bottoming out after having a great half, first half of the season. That could happen. But if you start 6 and 0, that kind of momentum driving into games at home against Houston, on the road against Cincinnati. I mean, that's seven and one.

That's good. I just threw up in my mouth a little bit when you said Utah could be six and oh. Well, but I'm here's the thing. I've looked at their schedule and I agree. The first half of the season, they should cake walk through it. But to your point, Drake, that's going to build the hype train. That's what's going to be carrying Utah's rep in the back half of the season. Yeah, they'll probably falter a time or two in that back half.

But let's say they're 10 and 2 at that point. They're going to be having a lot of people saying, well, remember how good they were early this season. And I know that the opponents, it's supposed to be monitored, but we all know that it can be overlooked at times. I just, I feel like the hype train, if the first half of the season goes the way that it projects for Utah, that's what will kind of drive this whole true playoff push for Utah, as much as I believe that it's BYU's rightful place to be in that spot.

fellas, do we need Utah to be good? Because nationally, everybody in their mom has just been waiting and hoping and praying for Utah to take over the Big 12 to win a Big 12 title. It does seem like they get the most push of everybody in the conference from a national perspective. It almost feels like it would be better for the Big 12 at this point in time for Utah to, I don't know, win something because they are projected to win almost everything all the time. I don't get it.

But they get more national respect than even Texas Tech for whatever, whatever reason. It almost feels like the country wants Utah to be good and that will help the Big 12 look good. but then if Utah is good, they're just going to talk about wanting to be in the big 10 anyways. So darn it if you do, darn it if you don't. Yeah, that's good. That's a really good point, though. You're right.

I mean, I also don't entirely understand it. I guess it's the Rose Bowl there at the Impact Hall Championships that gave a good leg up. But you're right. America loves, they have rose colored glasses. They do. I can just say this. I do know that the national media absolutely loved Kyle Winningham.

And they're going to love him in Michigan, obviously, because he has the national media eating out of his hand. And I cover Utah heavily out here in Utah doing what I do in sports radio. He has built a reputation for Utah that they're a darling of the media because he treated the national media so well. I think that's being obviously projected on to what Morgan Scali is doing now. Morgan's going to do that. I think the exact same thing.

He's going to treat the national media very well. And they'll obviously hype up Utah as result. But to your point, you got, speaking of you, Cody, you've got to see Utah finally go out there and achieve what people are projecting them to do. Remember, they're supposed to come into this league year one and run it. And yes, I know that the Cam Rising injury derailed everything for that football team, but they've got to finally live up to the hype if they really want the national media to continue to give them the love that they're giving them.

Bro, I would bet JT's left testy that if they had the exact same record as you did, they would have been in the playoffs this year. You're probably right. If they had the exact same scenario as BYU, same schedule, same schedule. same outcome, same Heismic dinners, whatever. Over the last two years, they that got in one of those years just because of their darling rose-colored glasses by the national media. Maybe I'm...

I agree. Maybe I'm wrong, but... And that's not even... In saying that, I'm not even mad at Utah about that. I'm more mad at the B.YU didn't get that, but, you know, good for you, Utah. This is... We're not upset. It's just do something, you know, do something on a big sale.

It almost feels like we need to come around to Utah being good. we need Utah to win a title to give the Big 12 more credibility, and then we beat the tar out of Utah for the next five, six, seven years. That's what we all need to have. And now JT is checking his manhood to make it's all in, make sure it's all in. Yep, to make sure he's good to go. That is Jay Cash of Locked on Cougars. Cody Stove all locked on Oklahoma State.

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