Locked On Jayhawks - Daily Podcast On Kansas Jayhawks Football & Basketball - Big 12 SQUAD - The SEC Fears the Big 12, Impact on Kansas Jayhawks

Episode Date: July 17, 2025

SEC's fear of Big 12 dominance? Conference rivalries heat up as scheduling debates intensify. Is the SEC's late-season "cupcake" strategy a sign of weakness?Jake Hatch and the Big 12 Squad dissect the growing tension between conferences, analyzing Brett Yormark's playoff model impact and Greg Sankey's response. The hosts explore how NIL deals are reshaping recruiting landscapes and team rankings. BYU's innovative tourism initiative for visiting fans takes center stage, sparking discussions on enhancing the college football experience.From comparing Big 12 powerhouses to SEC and Big Ten titans, to debating the merits of various college towns, this episode offers insider perspectives on the evolving dynamics of college football. Tune in for a deep dive into the strategies shaping the future of the sport and the conferences vying for supremacy.

Apparently the big bad SEC is scared of the big 12 just ask their coaches and commissioner You're talking ball with the big 12 squad sponsored by game time From Oklahoma State to Utah from Kansas State to BYU from Houston to Texas Tech It's the local experts of the lockdown podcast network bringing you scoops breakdowns and the most Comprehensive preview of the upcoming Big 12 weekend. Buckle up, it's the Big 12 Squad, and we have a seat for you. Know her feelings and thin skin allow. Squad up, you're part of the Big 12 Squad.

Welcome into the Big 12 Squad, everybody. I'm Jake Hatch, a host of Locked on Cougars, filling in for some guy named Drake Toll, who is here in my hometown of Provo, but apparently can't show up for the Big 12 Squad. But nonetheless, we have got Parker Ainsworth of Locked On Cougs covering the Houston Cougars with us. Cody Stovall covering Oklahoma State

with Locked On Oklahoma State. Derek Johnson, Locked On Jayhawks covering the Kansas Jayhawks, Rock Chalk. And of course, my good friend, I call him my good friend, because we are good friends, JT and Mr. Locked On. Hopefully everybody out there is subscribed to each one of these shows. My good friend, I call him my good friend because we are good friends. JT was the CEO of Locked Up. Hopefully everybody out there subscribed to each one of these shows.

If you don't, as we like to say, help us keep our jobs. But guys, the SEC is scared of the Big 12 and it's evidenced by some of the comments we've already seen out of SEC media days this week. Yeah, if they weren't worried about the Big 12, they would probably do what they've done for, oh, I don't know, the last 20 years, not mention the big 12.

It's kind of like the girlfriend situation, right? When you don't think somebody's hot, but you have to pretend that they are. That's exactly what the SEC is doing. The big 12 clearly is doing some things that are ruffling some feathers. And the beauty of it all is Brett Yormark is taking the high road,

and he's not taking all these unnecessary jabs And that's that's my stance on it if they weren't concerned about the rise of the big 12 Then they would probably keep their mouth shut Well, this tells me that they they have at least a little bit of Prepedation when it comes to the rise of the big 12 Well, can we draw a direct line to Brett Yormark espousing one into the play with the five plus 11 model when it comes to the college football playoff expansion and then prevailing essentially, cause the SEC, their coaches, Greg Sankey

have all signed onto that. Isn't that a direct shot that Brett Yormark kind of threw their way and the SEC, like essentially eight at hook line and sinker, right? Yeah, definitely. I think it's interesting, obviously it's because they're recruiting in Houston's backyard. So I know Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, and then to some degree, Missouri, and their transition over to the SEC from the Big 12.

With the exception, I guess, of Oklahoma last year, the other three all had a lot of success in the SEC that they didn't have in the Big 12 and the conversation seems to be stemming around this like idea of a schedule and like how many conference games they do and don't play or whatever and clearly just looking at their win-loss record like A&M's first year in the SEC they won 11 games they had won 11 games in almost 15 years of the Big 12 play before that I think it's fair to say that having that extra like, bye B-U-Y game at the end of the season, they were like, those things clearly make it easier.

And that's not to say there haven't been great SEC teams last 25 years, but clearly there's some after the schedule that works in their favor that they're just not wanting to admit. Well, I'll say this really quick. Texas would have been good if they were in the Big 12 last year, I don't think any of us on here are going to disagree with that. But what do we also know? There are really dang good teams in the Big 12 because why

is the SEC scared? A Big 12 team nearly beat them and they can see how close they are. And you know who they should be? Terrified Texas and the rest of the SEC. It's another school in Texas. It's Texas Tech because the SEC's whole thing is we have the most draft picks. We have the most talent. Texas Tech just landed a top three portal class. So that argument you're going to make about one more talented this one most talented that if Texas Tech is right there at the end of the year, they can make that argument easily too. So they should be scared about the big 12 and a lot of these NIL things are

probably those schools being nervous about the techs and some of the other schools being able like BYU landing the top basketball player, right? Those schools being able to land up rational on players that are going to allow them to beat the SEC and Big 10 and crush their precious narrative that they're the superior conferences by a wide margin, which is not true. Para Cougar's here also got five-star quarterbacks and somewhat saw them drop in rankings after picking Big 12 schools when they were like both top three in the country. Are you talking about recent or Wegman?

Henderson being a five star quarterback. And he was like number one in the state until he picked Houston. And then he, oh my God, suddenly he's number four in the state or something because, because he picked Houston, right? Like there's no secret. Diabell raises because he picked Texas. There's no, we don't have to like, they're playing in teachers and shorts right now. We went to act like this didn't happen.

It just happened. Well, okay. Parker. That's the thing about this is BYU beat out Oregon for Ryder Lyons, and then they turn around and grab Bryson Beaver. And magically, Bryson Beaver goes from what was a three-star prospect and commit to Boise State that suddenly is a four-star borderline five-star prospect a few weeks later because he's committed to the Oregon Ducks. Come on now, everybody. There's great inflation going on.

Cody, do you ever think about if T. Boone Pickens was still kicking and stuff, would you guys be Texas Tech right now? It's funny you say that. Yes, we were having this conversation with some of my friends recently. If Boone Pickens was still alive, things would be drastically different. He would be the Cody Campbell before there was a Cody Campbell. It's a wild time, that's for sure.

Well, Cody, that's the thing about this is that had he been given the latitude that Cody Campbell has been given in this day and age of college athletics, I absolutely agree that a guy like T. Boone Pickens would have been happy to invest as heavily as a guy like Cody Campbell apparently is for for tech. He just he was kind of beholden to the rules at the

time when he was live. Yeah, went to facilities instead they would have just went to you know, paying players and they would have had an insane raw. It would have been facilities along with players, Derek. And that's the thing about this is there you go in a new era. And yeah, there's investment has to go across the board but now that you can directly impact the talent that you can haul in to programs BYU's benefited from obviously AJ DeBonse and basketball bringing in the likes of Ryder Lyons, Bob Mulatalo,

the guys they brought in recently you don't do that without having some pretty deep pockets and I think that's the other thing going back to the SEC topic here is the SEC for so many years, we all know that the those stories of bag men and the SEC was the king of this and paying players under the table. Well, guess what? Now it's above board and everybody else can get in on the action. There's a reason why they're quivering in their boots because

they look at and say when we got we have competition now. They do. And you see even a team like a Utah who they don't have the deepest senile pockets. They have two first round offensive tackles. Like that's one of the SEC's biggest thing, right? Their offensive line, their defensive line, bigger, stronger batter. Well, why does Utah have two offensive linemen that almost every other SEC team like would love to have as they're starting tackles. So we are seeing that gap then. What are you saying? Speaking of the SEC, how come we're not playing teams like, you know, the deaf, dumb, blind,

mute school in week 10? But the SEC is doing all of this posturing. Oh my gosh. Those pauses had me worried there for a second. We're scheduling the Citadel, Mercer, like, and they're putting them, yeah, week 10, 11, 12, 13, late in the season ahead of rivalry games because it's a relative layup. And you mentioned it, Parker. It's a buy game. Yeah. Well, it's a B-U-Y and a B-Y-E even though it's an actual game counts on your schedule. And I want to give credit to Spencer. We don't give credit to Spencer a whole

lot on this show, so I may get a sponsor shout out. But he said something I thought made a lot of sense, actually, and it was that part of the benefit is actually playing them in week nine, 10, 11, as opposed to week two or three, when you kinda need a BYE by week that late in the season for your body, right? Whereas earlier in the season, it's kinda just an extension of camp, right?

Like, I think that that was, for all the things we could say about Spencer like I think that was fairly accurate point in playing out like why it's important when you play the game not just that you play that game. All right. That's all it is. It's an opportunity for their starters to get healthy and let their backups go win a game. That's all it is. Hey I want Nick's opinion on this. Nick go. It was great meeting Nick at big 12 media day. He was the most talkative one of all of us. Hey, he's the absolute stud. There's no doubt about that.

But the point is right there is good. It's well taken because you're right. You Dean do need a, they call them body bag games for a reason, but it does allow you to put your backups into the game and let them win and get some experience. But while you're getting starters healthy for what they hope is a playoff run. So yeah, I completely get the philosophy here, but I guess the question is,

and we'll get this real quick from you guys. And before we step to other topics, is should the Big 12 follow that same philosophy or should they stick with what, in BYU's experience, they're gonna have a glorified scrimmage when they open the season on August 30th against Portland State. I think all the four power conferences,

I'm sorry to butt in first, but I think all four should have a similar ideology in scheduling. It like, I don't think that's that crazy concept to be thrown out there either. Well, it's one way or the other. Either everybody plays non-conference games or we all play the deaf, dumb, blind and mute team. And we

can't. No, I would I would prefer everybody to be playing nine. But I just I don't think 12 can afford it. The TV rights deals like that factors in that they're getting an extra you know, the SEC they have all the big matchups that they're selling it to the TV. So it's like, it's unfortunate, but you're almost better off getting the SEC to come to where you are than going to where the SEC is. And I don't know if that's the KU guy that's all logical and analytical and practical.

Dang it, Derek. In the big 12 polo, I might add for our audience. He's a businessman. They're Johnson over getting his Chris level on. I like it. Next we're going to talk about what's going on when it comes to the big 12 kind of overall because a number of us were at big 12 media days. I got a couple of thoughts and one of them involves what Cody and Derek just talked about. Maybe they should go to where the SEC is at versus the SEC coming to where the big 12 is at.

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and Derek, you guys weren't there, but you brought up something that was discussed actually by Kalani Satake. He brought up the point on the podium during a big 12 coaches roundtable that he would like to see big 12 teams play only powerful opponents. He said the nine nine conference games then play one from the SEC, one from the ACC and one from the big 10 to fill out your regular season schedule. Now I've been thinking a lot about this, but you mentioned the point, Derek. I think it was you who said that the SEC, they're not going to ever move off that eight game schedule. I'm actually the opinion kind of what you talked about where you go to where the SEC is that you have the eight games You play yeah two or three other P four teams from the other conferences and then you can mix in Yeah If you want an FCS game or an a g6 game you mix that in your guys's thoughts on maybe that being the answer to Juicing up the big 12 schedule and their overall prowess

Well, I really liked Kalani's idea. Honestly, I wish that we could go to that. But like you guys said, I've already covered and said, the SEC probably isn't going to agree to that. And I'm also very torn, even though I say like, hey, I would love it if Utah's non conference schedule was just other P four teams. I think that'd be great in the conference. Especially if we copied like the NFL model, where you just play like wherever other team you finished. And then like we figure out which teams are home and away like We could figure that out to make it fair. But at the end of the day, the SEC wouldn't agree to it. And also say this, those games do serve a massive benefit for whether it's the FCS schools, the Group of 5 schools,

they are good for the sport overall, even if just from a fan and even, I'll say, what we do a media perspective, I don't always like. I know the SEC loves their game against the Citadel from a media perspective of coverage. I don't like it when Utah's beating whatever team by 30 points like that's not fun yeah I actually have a different take so I want to hear Parker's first well I was gonna say that I think part of this is

like the challenge is getting it so far out Houston presently had to change some stuff up because they had Utah they had Utah scheduled for future games actually, but then you to join the conference. So now they're not non-conference games anymore, but they've got LSU in 2027. They've got Oklahoma in 2028. Isn't that the dumbest thing ever though? Like all these other major league sports,

like the NFL releases their schedule in what? Like April the same year. Like we don't have to do this. The athletic directors have made their own bed this way. Like, oh, I'm sorry, it's so complicated. It's like you're the ones who made it complicated, just uncomplicated just Derek has got a point because BYU coming out of independence

guys, there are non conference games for BYU they contractually are obligated to play that they have pushed out as far as 2035. It's absolutely ridiculous. I for the life of me, I'm with you, Derek. They just need to tear them up and say, Hey, we're starting over and we're starting fresh. But I, Cody, you had, you said you had a different take. I'm excited to hear this. Yeah. I just, I think it's too much. Okay. Like without having the, the, the Citadel or as I like to call them, the, the blind deaf, dumb and mute. And then we can, I'm going to Jay T.

The next time I see Jay T, he better have a school for the blind deaf dumb mute shirt on. But anybody who, I think that it's- It's Little Sisters of the Poor. That's what everybody calls them. The poor? The Little Sister of the Poor. The poor.

The poor. I didn't know if you were channeling your inner my gunny. Yeah, I just, I think that it's too much. In theory, it's a great idea because I wear and tear the wear and tear already in the Big 12 is is NFL guys. They play their 17 game regular season schedule and then playoffs and they don't get by weeks. Well, these guys aren't aren't in the NFL and we're talking about things being somewhat even. If the SEC gets to play the Citadel in week two and then they get to play you know Valdosta, Def State in week 10,

then they still are at an advantage. Like the big 12 by the time you get to the big 12 title game, a decent portion of your roster is going to be bang. Right? That's synonymous across all of college football, which is why the SEC builds in those ridiculous week 10 matchups. And we're talking about games of the big 10 and the ACC playing some big 10 schools. Yeah, that would be kind of cool, but outside of the top four, they're a shell of a conference. The same about the ACC. Who's a shell of a conference? The big 10. A shell. Oh, a shell. the conference. The big team. The guys who may want to they want to go to that conference so bad they would jump over

everybody. You're funny Jay. I looked up something that JT said actually because that was a really interesting idea. The idea that you could play like hey the big coach is going to play the SEC. If you finish fifth you play the other fifth

team. We'll figure the home and home whatever out right Kansas State I think we all think is going to be fairly strong this year. Derek might not admit it on air right. No I think it will yeah. Kansas State finished the same spot as South Carolina. I can tell you right now I'm taking over whatever it is in Kansas State on that like I think Kansas State blows them out of whoa water. I don't think that's Lenore Sellers that's a good team like I'm saying Kansas State could win that's a good game. Or Norris Sellers and who though that good team. Like I'm saying Kansas State could win. That's a good game. Nor sellers in who though?

That's the problem with South Carolina. Well, they got a good defensive lineman. Like we're not the SEC squad We don't know these rosters in depth guys But obviously if we ask the rest of the country not just the SEC squad a lot of those teams would go to South Carolina And I don't think that's just conference bias We are talking about a South Carolina team that just missed out on the playoff You can say maybe they got the SEC prop up to be there But they did win more games last year than a Kansas state even did. And I do think Shane Beamer is a good coach,

but I think Kansas state lost those games because they in this conference. What I'm saying, right? I think that's part of it as one of the, I mean, as one of the programs that beat Kansas state last year, I should be. He's flexing on them. Like, we only have a couple of those. I need to, I need to celebrate when I can't. Don't miss. Don't mention the other ones. Don't mention the other flexes, Parker. Keep going, Parker. Keep going. You're on a roll. I just look at this like, you know what?

Like BYU finished second in the Big 12 after the Congress title game, right? They missed the title game. That's Georgia. OK, like, sorry, Jay, that's going to be a tough game, right? Like I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm saying it's a tough game. Here's the thing. BYU fans want those. They want the smoke. They think they understand. They probably get smoked, but they want to play that type of game. We thought ASU would get smoked, right? And they gave Texas a game.

So that's why we just want the chance to play these games on the field. That's something we can all agree with, regardless of these hypotheticals, who we think would win. We just want the chance. It sounds like you just want to be in the Big Ten. That's what it sounds like. Oh my goodness. I'm just literally you guys, you guys are Wisconsin, Wisconsin. No, but you all said Wisconsin, like Wisconsin, Minnesota, Indiana. Like these are some legit

brands and teams. I'm not just going to say that conference is a shell of itself. The top ones Michigan, Ohio state, Indiana, Indiana has had one good year in the last 20 seasons. What are you talking about, JT? I can't, okay, we're just gonna say that. Same crossover with the Big Ten and at the SEC. We're talking Kansas State, Minnesota. Oh, jeez. It's not a game.

I would pick Kansas State, but I don't think that's a blowout. I mean, PJ Fletch did a good job of that. I think it's 21 plus. I literally mean it like, Kansas State, Minnesota, 21 plus. That's a good Minnesota defense. JT, you are a great coach, but you're better. 21 plus. I like Kansas State, Minnesota. 21. Good Minnesota defense. JT. It's a great coach. What'd you say? Jimmy?

You just got through saying we don't know. Why you would not. I do not think BYU was smoked Indiana. Maybe they could win. I think that would have been a great game. Are you serious? They literally only lost to the two teams that made it to the national championship last year. Indiana is a no. No, no, no, no. JT, you are high. Indiana is a, no. No, no, no. JT, you are high. Indiana's the wrong supply today.

You all think they would smoke them. Yes. Indiana's canceling future. No, you all are high on Cougar, whatever. Jake's passing out Cougar Tales out here or something. Kurt Signetti canceled the only power five game that they have scheduled non-conference wise for the next eight years.

I agree, I don't like that. I agree with that. But that doesn't mean BYU would smoke them. They literally beat, how many other teams did they beat? BYU against Indiana. I would love to watch the Cougars run rush. They might win. I'm just saying, I think it'd be a good game. I'm not saying by 20. I would take, I would take it by 20. I think Utah and Oklahoma state could have had an opportunity to beat Indiana. I'm not going to say, well, Oklahoma state was pretty rough defensively last year, so I won't go that far.

And they won the Indiana played five games where they could have played their backups and still probably won Oklahoma State to the case study. They were one and oh, against the SEC and over against the big 12. That's the case study, right? Like that, that's right there. We don't want to use one. That's a dangerous thing to use one, one game and say, it's just the precedent for each conference, but I get, I get the point you're trying to make.

I'm using the other nine too. I'm saying, you just made it sound like because Oklahoma State beat Arkansas, I'm just saying they're on, they're on, like we deserve those opportunities to win those games. And I'm just saying just because Oklahoma State beat Arkansas does not make the entire Big 12 better than the SEC. No, but Arkansas won three SEC games. I know Arkansas was solid. I think they beat Tennessee too.

So we're saying any given Saturdays possible, but I'm not saying Oklahoma State would have won three SEC games last year is what Parker's saying they very they could have transitive properties. I get transitive properties not always work and that's a math term for the folks at home. But what is transitive property mean? I don't think we can be talking about that stuff. I don't think we can get political.

No. Okay. All right. All right. Well, here's the thing. We're gonna finish up today's show with something that some of our hosts that are not on tonight's show,

I can tell you exactly where they're at and we'll explain where they're at coming up next. All right, so many of you noticed that Drake Toll is not here this evening. You've probably seen some posts on social media this week of him hiking a certain mountain that has a certain letter on it near my hometown. Now, Explore Utah Valley is the tourism bureau for Utah Valley and JT Wisterstil is going to roll over right now and just-

I can't believe we're giving BYU and Drake all this free pub. Like, what do I have to do to get- We're giving it- We're going to fracture this, but okay. We're also giving it to West Virginia, dudes. Fair. Well, Mountaineer Paul deserves it. That's fine. Why don't you tell us how cool the SEC and Big Ten are, JT?

That'll get you there. Yeah. That'll fine. Why don't you tell us how cool the SEC and Big Ten are, JT, that would get you there. Yeah. That'll get you there. You're on a long show. JT's gonna be a guest host on both the Big Ten and SEC. Yeah. But here's the thing. So Explore Utah Valley is bringing content creators

like our good friends, Paul and Drake, out to Utah to essentially check things out. I had a chance to go up to Sundance where Robert Redford originally founded the Sundance Film Festival, actual resort itself on Monday and had a chance to eat with Drake and we had a great time talking with people at Sundance. Paul and I went and saw the Wizard of Oz up there at Sundance as well. Drake, yes, that's a real sentence. They saw the Wizard, Jake Hash, the host host of locked on Cougars and Mountaineer Paul, West Virginia went and all saw the Wizard of Oz together

in Utah. That's real. We follow the yellow brick road JT. Speaking of following the road. That's lives in the road of Mountaineer Paul. Mountaineer Paul is driven at what? 2,500 miles. I don't know how far it is from Morgantown. Shout out to MP, man. Yeah, yeah.

They go across the country, and that's one of the videos he posted from the road. He is dedicated to come clear across the country, had a great time catching up. And I think it's an interesting thing that BYU is trying to do. And I want you guys to start on this kind of conference wide. BYU is trying to get a Big 12 fan base

is when they come out here for our way games to come out and check out what Provo's got in terms of food, scenery, activities to do. Why is this something that the other Big 12 schools and their local tourism boards should not be doing? That's a remarkable idea and Brett, your mark doesn't schedule Oklahoma State to go to Provo, Utah next year. I might have to throw punch him repeatedly in a phone booth. We need to get you out

here regardless, dude. Yeah, they didn't want to. They didn't want to bring OSU back because y'all scared the crap out of him last year. Well, they won. So that's that's that's what that's what matters. Okay, I, they won. So that's, that's, that's what that's what matters. Okay. DeBonse verse Peterson times two in Prova. What the heck? Yeah, here's the thing about that, Derek. I am I'm just flabbergasted that they didn't take care of that because you

want to feature those two guys as often as possible. It feels like throw the scheduling lexicon or whatever they call it out the window when you get Matt, when you have an opportunity to spot right matchups like that, you absolutely should. But fun question though is, I mean, obviously we're gonna plug Provo because we got some guys that are doing a good,

I'm sure they're gonna tell us all about next week. What is the best road trip for, I mean, obviously none of us was like, I'm not gonna say Houston, it's not a road trip for me. What's the best road trip? Well, I wouldn't go Utah ones are so far out of the way. It's a long. That's a long drive. Like I love the destinations, but that's a long drive.

But like once you get it, provosts actually been on my top three bucket list. No, it's it's stunning when you make it. When you say like, I guess I say it just depends on the road trip. Like is what a lot of the Big 12 fans listening this are going to have to drive a very long way to get to Salt Lake City and like the pro. UCF fan like BYU is not a road trip. Well, that was what I was going to say. I can tell you, for BYU fans, UCF is absolutely a road trip

because they want to go to Disney World. Trust me. I must say, does UCF have a big advantage in this, though? Because they've got, UCF's got a big advantage in this competition. Well, okay, now here's the thing, though. So Provo has an airport that's become a regional airport. They now have American Airlines, Breeze Airways, Legion, and I think one other airline are flying

literally across the country. You can fly directly into Provo. And I'm telling you that Provo airport, you can be from the Provo airport to BYU's campus. If you hit the lights right in 10 minutes. It's gotten better. You're right. But the Salt Lake City airport is still better. Just like the football team, college football team in Salt Lake City is still better than the one but but the games get better and worse being on the year like the actual trip itself I think we're talking about I just want to experience the bounce house yes UCF in the bounce house must be dope I have been at the 50 yard line of the bounce house with literally nobody else around me I happen

to be down there when they'll actually know the year that they went like oh and 12 right before Scott Frost took over Yeah, my wife and I happen to be in Orlando. We were we had time to kill before we had a flight home So we drove over to UCF went over to the football stadium The gate was open and I walked right out to the 50 yard line Took a picture and what and literally nobody harassed me one bit had I done done that in Provo, Utah, LaVelle Edwards Stadium, I would have been cited for trespassing. I can assure you of that. Now, but Derek, I want your thought on this

because I went, so BYU's first ever Big 12 game was in football was at Kansas. And I made that trip to Lawrence, flew into Kansas City, drove out, and I absolutely loved that trip. But to Parker and Cody's point, I think every one of these destinations in the Big 12, we have a conference that has eight relative newcomers

in the past two, three years. They're all trying to kind of learn about these different schools. This should be something that I think BYU and the Utah Valley Tourism Board, I say Explore Utah Valley is their name. I think it's something that other Big 12 schools and their local community should consider doing because it's going to expose, I think, to give them extra a pub

in terms of, hey, you want to go to UCF. That's easy to go to Orlando, but you should go check out, Lawrence. I had a great time going to Lawrence. I think a lot of people would think, why do I want to go all the way out there? Yeah, I think just in general, it's like you think college towns when you think of the Big 12. And I'm sure this applies for Cody too,

but like when people think of Kansas, when people think of Oklahoma, when they think of Iowa, they think of just like the corn fields or the wheat fields or the plains. When you're at the actual college city, that's not at all the case. Like it is a very bustling town. You're not just like,

Kansas University of Kansas is actually built on a hill. It's not at all the case like it is a very bustling town. You're not just like Kansas University Kansas actually built on a hill. It's not Yeah, so I I'm hearing that the hard way I was walking all across campus and I was gassed by the time I finally actually got to the game I didn't realize how hilly Kansas actually could be cuz I thought I was just flat Yeah, no, exactly. I mean pretty much outside of Lawrence pretty much is but like that. Yeah, y'all are just yeah Y'all describing Lawrence. I'd be down to fly out there if anyone from is, but like that's the- Hey, y'all are just, yeah, y'all are describing Lawrence. I'd be down to fly out there, if anyone from Lawrence, travel commission,

whatever, I'm down. Oh, now JT wants free trips, so start, yeah. Mr. I wanna go to the big 10 wants free trips to, let's stop. I mean, Eric, I mean, pull some strings, man. We do go to, well, actually, I'll be up there anyways to watch lyrics. So I'll just shut up.

Is ASU the closest to Grand Canyon? Is that like, Yeah, can't be close to Grand Canyon. Yes. But that's not really that close. I was trying to think of like, what other big travel thing would be on the trip? Go to Tucson. Like, I don't know. I mean, ASU has the beauty of if you go during like a November game, it's going to be warmer than most of the other spots. That's how to like use DF in the big 12, right? And I guess, and I could sell you on Houston and

the food. So it's a big, it's four things in the country. Like I could sell you on that. I just, as far as like, it's not like the hiking outdoorsy stuff that would be at that's your job. That's yeah, bold. Houston and Orlando need this Houston and UCF need this least in anyone, in my opinion, and of Salt Lake City is probablyF need this least in anyone in my opinion and Salt Lake City is probably not too far just because of the ski city and some things and Jake you already mentioned just a lot of people fly like to Utah because the Salt Lake City is an international one but Provo Airport they have made a ton of progress and it is a great area as much as I give Provo a BYU crap like it is a great area down there too so I am glad that people get to see it and hopefully more to make the trip out. Now he's trying to make amends guys. He wanted to do it.

I won't make amends. Actually, can I just Okay, can I get can I get back on a bad grace is everyone before we get out of here? A quick football focus question for y'all since last All right. Well, hold on, hold on. I do want to say I've been seeing on Twitter all of these Utah fans talking about rice eckles is the most difficult place in the Big 12 to play by far. I do want to go check that out.

I would say it is, but I think there's a lot of difficult ones. Also to say I thought it was crap that was spewed on locked on Big 12 when they said that BYU is a better atmosphere than Texas and Oklahoma, but we can do that on another show. I like BYU. Like that's not supposed to be shade at BYU. I just think Texas is not going to worry about it. I don't understand how empty that stadium and off can be when they're not very good. JT, you and I have a really good friend who actually told me that he would pick BYU over Utah in terms of game day atmosphere and he's a dear friend of both of ours. So, all right. So I'm just saying.

You'll shut me up on that today, Hatch. There's almost too much to do in somewhere like Austin. Oklahoma, you can do some drinking, some dipping, some cow tipping all in the same day. Cow tipping, yes, let's go. All right, well that's gonna do it. A big thank you to everyone for tuning in. That's Parker Anzer from Locked On Cougs for your Houston Cougars fix every single day.

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