Locked On Jayhawks - Daily Podcast On Kansas Jayhawks Football & Basketball - BIG 12 SQUAD - Transfer Portal Moves HEATING UP for Kansas Jayhawks

Episode Date: January 15, 2026

Big 12 football teams retool through the transfer portal—are Houston and Oklahoma State now national contenders? Portal action heats up as BYU retains nearly all of its top talent, while Utah faces painful losses to Michigan. Can West Virginia’s major upgrades and key pickups spark a resurgence? Jake Hatch, Drake Toll, and local Locked On experts debate tampering controversies, NIL-driven recruiting, and which schools are winning the portal arms race. Basketball battles intensify with Houston, BYU, and West Virginia eyeing breakout seasons. Is AJ Dybantsa elevating BYU to new heights? Find out why Utah’s struggles might continue and which up-and-coming squads could topple Big 12 giants. The hosts break down postseason paths, top-10 NBA prospects, and surprise teams that could shock college hoops. Can Utah’s Alex Jensen turn things around, or will West Virginia’s Honor Huff outshoot Steph Curry? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Happy Thursday, everybody. Welcome to the Bosa Grande Squad is locked on Big 12 Squad. As the lady said, just a second ago, we're going to give you scoops, breakdowns, jazz like that. You guys remember when the squad show is an hour? That was a wild time in my life. It was a wild two months in our lives. 30 minutes today. We'll get you and get you out on your.

evening commute, most likely it is Thursday night after all. Parker Ainsworth of Locked on Couges talking Houston. Jake Hatch, Locked on Cougars, BYU, BYU, Mouton, Paul, locked on West Virginia and JT. Westchester still of Locked on Utes. Thank you for making our shows. Your first listen every single day. We will touch on the transfer portal, college basketball, and maybe a little national championship because ESPN tells me that Miami is built like an SEC team. It's my favorite quote in the last seven days, because of course they would say that. Let's go portal first. Parker Ainsworth. are claiming the best portal class, maybe in the big time, maybe not. Oklahoma State, Texas tech were up there, but Houston, one of the best in the country at the very least. Yeah, they made a big

splash early with Mackay Muse, Mackay Hughes coming out of Oregon. He was a big time to Lane running back at 27 yards and two years there, got to Oregon and he was in like one of a half dozen running backs they played and he opted out of the rest of the season at the four game mark to preserve a red shirt. He's a big William Fritz guy. They bring in three offensive linemen that were all conference guys. They brought in a tight end that was very coveted in Overmire. Pretty strong class so far for Houston. I don't know what you think about on three rivals, that whole thing.

They got them at seventh in the country right now. I think that's pretty good. That's that I hear that's good. Paul, where do the West Virginia mountaineers sit when it pertains to, I know last year had to be complete overhaul. Is this a war of positive attrition or overhaul 2.0? Yeah, West Virginia is only one or two spots behind Houston. So also doing really well in the portal. Totally remade the offensive line.

They've gotten several first team all conference offensive linemen to come in. A couple of those from Jacksonville State where a legendary Rick Trickett, offensive line coached Rick Trickett, who coached with Rich Rodriguez at multiple other stops, has put 41 guys into the NFL. So, you know, that's a guy that's really legendary. The offensive line room is looking really good. But you bring in the nation's leading Russia and Cam Cook. who ran for almost 2,000 yards last year is obviously a huge pickup for West Virginia.

And you bring in an LSU wide receiver who, you know, to let them a lot of people tell it, one of the best players on their team last year, just happened to have his season ruined. As a freshman, he was going to get on the field for them. So we feel really good about him. But, you know, it's been all qualities, multiple powerful schools that were starters, nothing like it was last year where it was D2FCS. They performed very well to schools D2FCS. And almost, you know, you bring in 50 guys if even a third of them hit,

that's still not enough, right? So in this situation, it's a lot less players and a lot more good players, at least we hope. So we feel really good about it. They're actually still working. As of just earlier, we're trying to bring in a couple defensive ends, one from Michigan State was really good last year. Another one that was a D3 All-American that's got almost 20 sacks and in the safety for Michigan that had about 50 or 60

tackles last year. So, you know, they're still working as of right now, even though it's a dead period. We'll see if we can get some visits in. J.T. West yourself, locked on youths to whip around at this point. Utah loses Kyle Whittingham, the head coach, as well as coordinators to Michigan. But there hasn't been a mass exit of guys going to the Wolverines like you saw for Iowa State. Like the entire Iowa State roster is headed to you want to push back. I don't know, mass, exodus. Maybe not all the best guys.

Almost all the best. We just lost, we just lost Leslie Moa by the time this episode comes out. I think he's going to be a Wolverine. I mean, he has a do not contact entry. That was our five star recruit. Everyone's becoming a Utah.

The Moa one. That's not good. Yeah, no, it's terrible. That's not good at all. It's bad. Also, I love that this show we start with football, by the way.

Let's not talk basketball. Let's just talk football in this show. But all the fact, we know that. We just be Kansas. I don't want to talk basketball. I would love to talk basketball. But no, it's bad in Utah right now. John Henry Daley, one of the best pass rush in the Big 12.

He's a Wolverine. You get other guys like even a guy like Jonah Laiaa, the defensive tackle. Like he all of a sudden, he's a Wolverine. What? J.J. Buchanan are rising wide receiver, Titan hybrid. He's a Wolverine too. So we knew he'd take the staff with us, but I am surprised at how many players that he's taken to. Look, Utah's gotten some fine players in the transfer portal.

But the biggest storyline has been all. all the best guys for the most part, they've left. And it feels like most of them end up being Wolverines. Well, I was going to have like a positive spin to this. Parker is all got me excited. I was like, man, this is great. You know, Utah still got some guys. Can we bring up an issue that brings up, though, in that.

So Houston is not innocent on this. A lineback from Mississippi just enter with a do not contact tag and commit to Houston within a few hours. Amen. Parker, campering. It does not exist. Don't. Oh, the BYU guy would say that, huh?

Here comes to the BYU got. I was really going to ask, what's the point of the tag? What's what we do with this? Well, no, but that's something about this. Everybody thinks that that new dot contact tag essentially means that players are being tampered with. We had Bronco Mendon Hall on my radio show in Salt Lake City, the Utah State head coach.

And his exact words were, tampering does not exist in college football. He says there is some mythical hotline. We're supposed to be able to call and throw, essentially, tattle on people. He says, I don't think anybody's going to answer those phone calls. So the whole thing with the tags, yeah, I get the frustration with it.

But guys, the agents, the high school coaches, the parents, you can't contain it. It's, there's no way to contain it. The do not contact. The hotline is what you're saying. That's actually what it's talking about. The DeMond Williams thing is so important, right? We got to get something back for us. Oh, gosh.

And I mean, I say us, but I don't mean, you. against players. I don't care. I just mean on this side of things, you have to have some kind of protection and for the universities somewhere. And if that's multiple years and a buyout that counts against the cap, I think that's probably the best solution. You know, if you've got a guy and you sign them to two years and somebody wants them fine, you can have him, but whatever the buyout is is going to count against your cap. I think that will probably help in some cases unless they're just the top tier, the top tier, they'll just make it up in an aisle. But But, you know, I think for the middle ground people, they'll have to think twice about that.

Well, and MP, to your point, we have the Big Ten that threatened them on Williams with litigation themselves. So we got conferences who are threatening to throw their weight behind us. You've got to have something. You've got to have some kind of leverage. That could change it, but you're right. The buyout thing, I think it's absolutely the right play because if it counts against your cap, you're going to be very wary of paying that money. Hatch, let's keep it with you. BYU at the time of recording, they don't have a ton of players through the portal.

but the quality of player is high. Like the three guys you got can be instant contributors for BYU. And by the way, like the entire roster is coming back. Anybody who cannot leave to go pro or is out of eligible. If you have eligibility, you're returning to BYU right now, aside from a group of 10 transfers that positive attrition weren't contributors anyway. Is this the ideal scenario that Kalani wanted? Yeah, quite honestly, it was.

And the thing is, I don't think there's any other program out there in the country that can essentially say, as you mentioned, Drake, They made a clean sweep of their top end talent that has eligibility remaining sticking in their program. And that's a credit to what Kauani's built culture-wise. Yes, there is a money element. BYU is absolutely having to funnel cash to these guys via NIL and revenue share to keep them in place. But to your point, in some ways it is. In some ways it is.

You get a little discount that way. You do. You get hometown discounts. But the other thing about this is with the guys coming back off missions for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as well. as incoming freshmen. BYU doesn't have a lot of slots to fill, maybe 15 transfer portal slots at most. And as a recording,

they added three offensive linemen on Monday. So those slots are filling up pretty quick. And I think it's more quality versus quantity, a situation for BYU. As the Utah guy, I hate how much I agree with everything Jake just said. You know what? Let's push the basketball talking wheel just for you, JT,

toward the end of the show. And look, reason to be it to the world. Look, it's the big 12 squad. The listeners of the squad are the biggest listeners of the Locked-on Big 12 podcast and each of our family of shows. So if you are that listener right now, we'll tell you. We're recording this at 9 Eastern Time on Monday. So games have happened Tuesday and Wednesday,

but we'll give you a synopsis of what we've seen so far in basketball that stands those two games. Oops. But first, say to the program, Utah youths. Let's comfort JT, because he seems a little sad. This is the Dose Grande Squad. I'm going to leave everybody here or two. Today's show is brought you by Game Time.

Hatch, favorite part of Game Time. Well, the best part is you see those prices right up front. There's no surprise fees being tacked on at the end. It's my favorite part. Parker, your turn. They get cheaper as the game gets closer. It's pretty nifty. I do like that.

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Not in Salt Lake. Game time, download game time app code locked on college for $20. I'll be first purchase terms apply. That is game time. This, it sucks what's happening to Iowa State. They don't get the beauty of what Oklahoma State's going through. Paul, you just covered this for, I mean, you were talking about this for a while. Oklahoma State's doing the Indiana, James Madison, Curtin, anything of just,

let's take all of these really good players from mid-major or smaller school. I want to hit on that, but first, J.T., if you are Utah, I mean, you don't have a very strong portal class that's come in so far. If you're losing top-end talent, who are you replacing it with from Morgan Scally? I mean, that's the problem, right? Is it you just hope developmental guys and some of these guys hit. Do you need to continue to find the John Henry Dale? right now granted he was at b yu but at the time he committed to utah he was not a proven college football

player then he bought into utah and found success here but look utahs lost almost all their best guys they have gotten a couple to come back way sean parker the running back returning that's massive i'm excited that bird fickling comes back but at the same time the expectation is still that devon dampier's going to resign he hasn't yet i love talking about resigning by the way is that's our favorite thing in college football right now j lagway yeah i'm recording he still has not signed the paper I hear Cam is out looking for him right now. I actually. But it's just a mess.

Utah's gotten some fine guys, but a lot of what they're banking on are G5 guys who had success. Like we got the North Texas pass rush. That's like the one guy that hasn't gone to Oklahoma State. Ethan Day, he went to Utah. He had four and a half sacks. How does that translate against P4 competition? I'm curious to see. And a lot of the P4 guys they have gotten were backups.

They're not high impact players. So you got the Utah state kid, didn't you? Yes. We got a receiver, Pagan, that I'm excited about. But at the same time, like, I have a memory. And last year we got Otto Tia. He had 500 yards with the Aggies. And that worked awful with Utah.

He had one catch for 20 yards all season. So do I think Pagan's better? I do. But it's not like proven commodities at the P4 level that Utah is landing. So I think Utah will be fine. They recruit well. They still return some key talent. But they also have to replace all five starting offensive linemen,

which was their best unit up front. So a regression for Utah as we stand here today is probably more likely. And I don't love saying that. But it's early in the portal window. So we keep up alive and carry on. I love saying that because about six weeks ago, that would probably be Houston's second toughest game next year. And this is just, this is fantastic.

J.T., have we hit the point in this whole ordeal when you say, you know what? Admittedly, you should have given Whittingham another year. I don't think so because I think. You still wouldn't do it. Knowing everything you've lost, you wouldn't do it. Okay, well, I mean, there was a chance, but I'll just say this.

I think a lot of the guys that left, I think they still very well might have ended up somewhere else, right? Does John Henry Daley stay at Utah? Let's just call it what it is with Utah. They left to follow wit. So if it was still there, right, would they still left? Is Utah one of the top five like NIL schools? Are they top 10 even?

Are they even one of the best in the Big 12? No, the best guys were probably going to leave. Teo Johnson, their safeties at UCLA. What the heck? We just beat them by 30 this year. But now he's there because NILA, I think, being the biggest reason. There are other factors. There's other reasons for all these guys.

But Utah is not of the uprorestrial on an NIL. And this is the second year in a row now where we look at some of the top guys. guys leave a Utah. I think of a Cameron Calhoun last year who ends up at Alabama. And he actually barely even played there. So we'll see what happens with a lot of these guys. But even if Witt stayed, I think a lot of them would have ended up leaving. So, yeah, would it have been nice if Kyle came back and a couple of these guys end up staying. Sure. But at the same time, I think a lot of them still would have left because Utah is not a upper echelon NIL school. So you're going to lose your best guys a lot of times when the year ends.

But do you not think, so like when Holgerson left Houston, a handful of guys their name in the portal because they were Holgerson guys. And Emily, a couple of them in the NFL now, right? I don't, in my findings, it doesn't think they were actually going to even dabble in it until he got fired. Like, do you think that it just opened the door, even if they might not have, if they have found out that had that kind of number with tampering or whatever they might have left anyway, do you not think it at least opened the door for them like look at what else

goes out there? I mean, there's a chance. But at the same time, Morgan Scalley's been with Utah for so long, right? It's the same voice taking over that these guys all knew what he was going to offer, know what he's about. It's going to be a similar type of program. So I really don't think a lot of the departures would have been different. Now, granted, like a JJ Buchanan, he's probably still a youth of Kyle Whittingham's there, right? Because I feel like that staff was like, ooh, we saw him up close and personal. We know how good he is. Let's bring him in. But some of

those other guys that mentioned John Henry Daley, a Smith Snowden, the Teo Johnson, the best ones, they were probably going to leave. So that's where to me it didn't make a huge difference. But hey, in some alternate reality, maybe everyone runs it back with the Utah Uts in 2026. But unfortunately, we'll never know. Paul, I feel like Oklahoma State, again, it's the signet way of bring in really good mid-major players and then turn them into elite powerful guys with a mixture of other formerly powerful guys

and then build out of the transfer border, we're built with older players. Oklahoma State is in not just one of the best spots in the Big 12, one of the best spots in the country, and that's per any transfer portal rankings, this is an overhaul that is completely positive for the Pope. Yeah, it's the new way. It's the new way. It's, you know, it's basically a ready made transition from from North Texas to Oklahoma State. It's really crazy. And, you know, covering West Virginia, covering Oklahoma State here over the last week and a half, has been really interesting. Just a different philosophy and types of players they're both bringing in. You know, at the very top, you've got the five star quarterback in Mestamaker. You've got a basically just a smidge under five star at Hawkins. You've got a guy that's a force. star in Wyatt Young, another four star in

Wendell Gregory that you've got the keep from Oklahoma State who was if you could keep one guy from them outside of Seagrin, it was probably Gregory. And they've added just a myriad of other four star dudes. And anybody that was anybody on that

North Texas team has come in. But it's not just North Texas players. They have gotten dudes from every part of the country that really you could want. And I think that one thing that people aren't talking about enough is Oklahoma State got a mysterious donor to, I say mysterious only because I don't know them as well as maybe Cody would,

but. Just the ghost of chicken's? Yeah, the ghost of boom pickens. They've got a guy that's on a, this is what I was told by multiple people there, on a Texas tech level donor for them. So who was writing these checks. He covered the, he covered the Mestemaker salary by himself, which was $7 million.

So, you know, that's an insane, that's, that's most people's outside NIL cap. You know, like mid-tier power four on down is in that seven to 10 range outside the cap, right? You get up above 15 or so, you're getting into the upper tiers, 20, you know, but so I think you're looking at it like, man, Oklahoma State's in a really good. good spot year one. And I really do believe that. I got, you know, last year at West Virginia, I tried to convince myself that we got a shot year one, but we just lost too many players. Oklahoma State's in a similar situation, but the quality that they're bringing in and it's ready made that's, I think they're closing in on 20 or 25 players from North Texas now. And I would say at least half of those are close to four star or four star. Like they had,

They won 12 games for a reason, and it was the American, right? So it's, it's the very highest level of the group of the group of five that you can possibly get. And they were the best of it. So the players they have, and they have a really, really unique philosophy when it comes to recruiting that they won't divulge about. So, yeah, I like it. Obviously, you know, we have to see what happened. It's the Big 12. And, you know, most of the time, our teams eat each other.

But I do think Oklahoma State's got a shot. to have a Houston type year and year one anyways. I don't know if they'll do Indiana, but I think they could do something like Houston, maybe like did last year. Yeah, no doubt. Coming up, basketball. So it's a Gronde squad.

Come on, J.T. Hoops, and again, we recorded this on Monday, just the best time for all of us to get together. So hoops, as of Monday, overarching feelings on the season. J.T. will put you last. Recall. That's where I won't be all season long for basketball talk,

Parker, this Houston team, what they did Baylor, this Houston team, what they've done all year long, this is a, also, this is a fun aside, Vanderbilt plays zero games, the remaining schedule against top 15 opponents. BYU plays six games against top 15 teams. Vanderbilt's number two in the country and strength of schedule. BYU is number 23 in the country and strength of schedule per ESPN.

Oh, wait a second. wait a second. I do have a lot of questions about that, but Parker, the Houston Cougars, once again, clicking, and I would say their best two or three guys

didn't even play their best games against Baylor. Like this team, ceiling still feels like it could be there. Yeah, it's interesting. And I want to make sure everyone gets to talk because I actually want to know more about a couple of all of programs.

But the Houston thing actually feels weirdly ahead of schedule relative to last year. Last year, you bring in a new point card on my Los Zuzan, and you had a few more losses at this point and so on. Right now, Houston's got just the one loss from Las Vegas in the players era. But you also, where they feel like this year's team has a lot more to grow. You start two freshmen and they're still kind of picking up.

I mean, they're out of position on defense several times a game. And it's like, okay, can you fix that over the course of the season? This Kingston's got looks like a top 10 pick, if not a top five pick. Manuel Sharp is doing the manual sharp thing. They look really, really good. And Jojo Tuggo's been out of foul trouble lately. those are all good things. Obviously, I think Jake has his own fair share of things to be happy about, too.

It's an incredible conference. You can't win 19 games in it anymore like Houston did last year, so I guess you can't do that part. Legally, you can't. Yeah, the 18 conference games now. So I think that it's fair to say, Houston is going to have a good year if they don't win 19 later last year. Hatch, it has been, I mean, yeah, if you turn on ESPN,

it's still the AJ DeBonza show. Like, it is AJ DeBonza. company. But I don't think people understand the level that Rob Wright and Richie Saunders elevate this team because the country is going to hone in on AJ DeBanza. This BYU squad is a lot more complete that I think they

get credit for from those that just think it's DeBonsa and bust. Well to your point, Drake, that's exactly what it is. It's a true big three because AJ, he looks the part of potentially the number one overall pick in the NBA draft. You talk about Kingston Fleming Parker. We have four or five guys in this

league alone that I think are top 10 caliber. NBA draft picks and AJ's right there among the best of the best. But you're right. Rob right, all he does is make plays off of guys like Richie Saunders and AJ DeBonson. Richie in his own right, all he's done is elevate his play. And the game against Utah last weekend, how many offensive rebounds late in that game to Richie Saunders come up with are absolutely critical to BYU grinding out a win over Utah in the Huntsman Center. So yeah, this big three, they have made BYU a force to be reckoned with. But the nice part is they're getting contributions from other guys. Kinnar Davis Jr., Kebba K,

off the bench, you have the new addition of Bidu Ahmed or Abdullah Ahmed. They've got a really, really solid squad. The only question I've got about them is their guard depth, and that's the only concern because they've had two season ending injuries on that guard line. Surely Chris Paul,

Chris Paul still has eligibility and could come to be like, Harry Irving possibly. If LeBron's going to go to Ohio State, why can't CP3 play in Provo? Mountaineer, Paul, West Virginia, not getting near enough love on the national scale, right? now at all. They're a top 25 caliber team, in my opinion, because of their wins, a couple of

their really quality wins this year, and certainly a tournament team in my eyes. Yeah, I think we're hitting our stride for sure. You know, we honestly started out the beginning of the year without two of our best players for the first 10 games. And so, you know, we started out pretty well and then you threw those guys into the mix and it kind of ruined the chemistry for a little bit. And now we've hit our stride again. Honor Huff's the best three-point shooter I've ever witnessed in my life outside of like a step curry i've never seen a guy like him in my life i've never like this guy is incredible he's on he's on pace to actually pass step curry all time this year and finish inside the top 20 if he keeps on doing what he's doing right now so you know he's a dude that

you know he put up 23 probably single-handedly helped us beat kansas in the second half yes a day before yesterday in a game where, you know, it was he and Laurent who was on that final four squad at FAU. Harlan Obuohad, the seven-footer really played big inside. And this team, like I said, hitting their stride, Trace and Eagle staff averaged almost 20 points a game in North Dakota last year, put up 41 against Alabama. And he has been horrible this year outside the last 10 games.

So he's finally coming on, it seems. he's the piece that can really unlock this team's potential because you just can't guard both the and honor hub and three-point scenarios and still contained Brennan Lorient down low. So we feel really good about it. Don't know how we'll do against Houston necessarily. That's a that's a huge step up. The only team that we face comparable to that is Iowa State. We didn't fare well where that was in Ames.

So, but you know, we beat in Cincinnati. We beat Kansas two pretty good teams here back to back. you know, the only other two games that we lost. We were up about 12 against both Ohio State and Clemson early in the year with less than six minutes ago and blew both of those games. Or this would be a 13 win team right now. And you can say Ips and butts all you want, but you're supposed to hold on to those kind of wins.

And, you know, the other day against Kansas, we did. We finally did. We held off a run late in the game because we play such tough defense. Our team's been wearing out late. I think they've kind of got the formula figured out. And I really love what Ross Hodge is doing in year one. We got, you know, a five star, four star, and we got another five star coming on campus as far as recruiting goes.

So things are going really well. JT, will the sun ever shine again? It will next year. Look, let's call it what it is. This Utah team has one win against a P4 team. It's Ole Miss. And I know we talked about how the ESPN loves to glaze the SEC. Ole Miss has one other P4 win themselves, too.

It's Missouri. And that's it. So this is a Utah team. yes, they showed up well against BYU, and wouldn't it be hilarious if by the time this releases Utah beats tech and then everything I'm saying like go is completely bad and wrong. But at the same time, I've seen this movie before where Utah plays well against a BYU because it's a rivalry game and the players get up for it. It's one of the better atmospheres all season long.

It actually is the best. It's straight up the best atmosphere in the Huntsman all year. And the rest of the season is disappointing. Look, they just got blown up by Arizona. I know a lot of teams have, but you also just lose to a Colorado team that I still don't think is that great either. I think the Big 12 got better and I think Utah got worse from last season too. I knew the season was going to be long as soon as they lost to Cal Poly.

Heck, I knew a season was going to be long when they went to overtime against Weber State. They do not have good size up front. And yes, I like the guards, but they're too small. So I think it's going to be a long year for Utah. I don't think they win more than three games in the Big 12. It was a miss year one for Alex Jensen in terms of building this team and he'll get to try again next year because I'm not feeling good about how this team has looked so far, nor how

they'll carry out the rest of the season. Last I checked, they're not favored in a game. the rest of the way. You said they got three wins. Name them. I know. I said, you know what? I'm going to go them to upset a couple teams.

So I think they'll get a Cincinnati on the road. Okay. Outside of that, they're going to beat someone they shouldn't beat. So like, is that a TCU at home coming up? Is that an Arizona state, right? But then they're also going to lose some of those games too.

So that's why those are the three. Yeah, I mean, fair. Actually, yeah. I'm with them now. I get them. But it's rough. It's rough right now.

And we'll see if it turns around next year. It's still way too early to judge Alex Jensen to me. His GM as well, West Wilcox, like everyone. They just need to do a better job evaluating the talent level at this, at this level. They need to learn what it takes to succeed in college. And we'll see if they can be better next year because, yeah, it'll be a rough year. Jake, as you know, NBA coaches that try to coach college, it never works. No, it never works.

But J.T. I believe that Alex Jensen and West Wilcox can evaluate talent. I got no problem saying that, but this is what really matters to get that talent to Salt Lake City. Great point. Jake Hatch is living his best life right now. We're living large in Provo. Well, the big swings they have too, Jake. I'm my blanket on the Auburn guy's name.

You know, I'm talking about on the roster. Yeah, yeah. He was the guy through, he's on Utah's roster now I'm talking about. Parker. Anyways, he's the guy who got in trouble last. He was a four or five star, but he just didn't work at Utah. Cam Newton. Who's the Auburn guy?

Yeah. How much SEO can Drake them to one segment right there? That's what you know about Jai. Howard. Locked on Big 12, Cam Newton mentioned. Chris Davis. Can I throw out something crazy to end the show? Yeah, what's up? Was the Big 12 actually the fourth best P4 conference in football this year? We look at how the ACC did in bowl games? No. Still better on the ACC. We did our part. That's y'all's fault. We did how much. We did it well. Eight and five Duke on the ACC's. It's the way the pop-tart. It's all the day. So that's right.

Bill Brown is red. Did you all see that? What? At the table. At the top, at the top, at the Texas bowl, they got to eat ribs. Like they just pass out beef ribs at the end of the game. That's pretty awesome. That was awesome. Went in Texas, man. Come on. I've had barbecue with Hatch and JT.

and Parker in Texas. I've had barbecue with Hatch. Hey, shout out to John, by the way. And yeah, Mountaineer Paul and I have enjoyed a meal together. But John down there in Dallas, Fort Worth, Friscoe area, making care of people. Media, that was good day. You hit us up.

That was awesome. I'll be at the BYU, Utah basketball game. I'll see there, Jay. T. Surely you'll be leaving half time. You will be leaving at halftime. Why? That would be a blot. This has been it always will be locked on.

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