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Episode Date: July 10, 2025

Big 12 Media Days Shake Up College Football Landscape. Is a new era of NIL deals and conference realignment on the horizon?Parker Ainsworth, Jake Hatch, and JT Worcestershill break down the biggest stories from Frisco, Texas. The hosts analyze Joey Maguire's call for player contracts, Brett Yormark's firm stance on playoff formats, and the debate over Big 12's depth. Key topics include the enforcement of NIL rules, the 5+11 format's impact on conference standing, and the pros and cons of parity vs. dominant teams.Don't miss this insider look at college football's future. Will the Big 12 emerge as the deepest conference in the nation?

Live from Big 12 Media Days, Joey Maguire was very clear. College players need contracts. Kalani Satake had a different approach. This is a very special Big 12 Squad. You're talking ball with the Big 12 Squad, sponsored by Game Time. From Oklahoma State to Utah,

from Kansas State to BYU, from Houston to Texas Tech, it's the local experts of the Locked On Podcast Network bringing you scoops, breakdowns and the most comprehensive preview of the upcoming Big 12 weekend. Buckle up. It's the Big 12 Squad and we have a seat for you. Know her feelings and thin skin allowed. Squad up, you're part of the Big 12 Squad. Happy Wednesday, everybody. Welcome to the Big 12 Squad and a special edition. It is Parker Ainsworth of Lockeddown Cougs talking all things Houston, Jake Hatch of Lockdown BYU, Cougars and JT Wistersell of Lockdown Utes. We are all live from the star in Frisco at Big 12 Media Days. We'll break down the biggest headlines from what we heard from Brett Yormark at the podium to a coaches roundtable that actually got pretty heated when the guys were all discussing the death of college football as we know it and where we should go to help regulate it.

And that is exactly where we'll start. Hey, hit subscribe. We get to keep our jobs if you do that. Thanks for making us your first listen every single day as well. It was the roundtable to me that really stood out on today because it was Joey Maguire who says, we need contracts. And then it was Kalani Saitake who immediately after said, we need amateurism. He wanted to defend amateurism in college athletics as McGuire was talking about further building these borders around how you operate as employees of your university when you're an athlete. And that to me was maybe the most pointed thing

that we heard in a day that didn't have a ton of sound bites to me. Well, I think you're right about that, Drake. The biggest thing we took away from this is that these coaches have different approaches to this. BYU has been very adamant saying, at least the boosters have been saying, they're not going to be outbid. But have Kalani-Satake say, hey, we need to protect college football and amateurism as best we can. I'm not going to lie. I kind of appreciated what Joey Maguire went with because I think it's more and more with Joey McGuire and visions versus what Kalani Satake is envisioning for college football.

Yeah, I think it's interesting what you get with these big two. Honestly, with like the roundtable, as you mentioned, it was I was surprised at several of the answers we gave. I mean, Kalani Satake at one point even voice like how he would be down for the non conference schedule to be nothing but people are always you play someone from the big 10, the ACC and the SEC. I thought that was an interesting idea too. So listening to these coaches talk about it. And they do even like they have so much in common, but they have clearly different views of what's best for the sport too, as well. And, you know, some of these NIL things, they are so fascinating, right? Because you get everything that's going on with Texas Tech,

swooping in landing this five star offensive lineman that at one point we thought was Ohio State bound Texas bound, Utah was trying to get in the running with that too. So it's very interesting when you have schools that also have benefited greatly from an ILB why you being one of those Texas Tech being another one right like they and they have different views. So I think it's very interesting. And we did get some spirited opinions up there, which I thought was a really

good to see in a place where sometimes you do get canned answers. I was cool to see those coaches be candid instead. Hey, I will say though, it rubbed me a little bit the wrong way. And I tweeted this out too, that Scott Frost was kind of more of the old school, older way of things. It felt like, and he also in the same breath earlier today said that, you know, he took the wrong job when he went and got a bunch of money in his payday. Like clearly at some point in his career, he took the wrong job when he went and got a bunch of money in his payday. That was crazy.

At some point in his career, he related to like, go get the biggest payday, but not the kids, right? That they shouldn't get the biggest payday. That didn't rub me the right way at all. I did appreciate it thought Sataki wanting the old school way of thinking, but I will say it felt ironic given what we know about how B-Way is building the roster, right? That felt a little odd as well. Yeah, I thought the coaches by and large in the first eight were fairly uneventful.

Maybe Scott Frost was the one that you point out and say, hey, he gave you that soundbite of saying, don't take the wrong job. And you see all around us, coaches still talking to media members and giving their soundbites on their own. Joey Maguire gave a lot to individual media this morning when he talked to ESPN. And past that, I thought it was the roundtable that actually opened the guys up. And it sounds like Texas Tech is very much following the Big 12 model of being open for business.

But Jake BYU is in a boat where if Kalani Satake had his way, I think Dave Aranda is also kind of in this cohort, that you would do away with paying the student athletes the way they're being paid, or at least the large sums they're being paid. Well, and that's the surprising thing to me because Kalani has been so adamant about wanting his guys to get compensated for NIL that the tone he struck today kind of stood in stark contrast

to what they have said previously about, hey, we're in the game, we're here to compete, we're here to make sure that guys are taken care of financially. And we all know the reputation of BYU when it comes to NIL is they've been very clear that they hate they're willing to spend money They're willing to make sure guys are compensated That's a big reason why they got a lot of guys that signed on with this football program and it came to the transfer portal

So yeah, I was a little bit confused as to this tone being struck by Kalani today because you mentioned It's kind of more in the Dave Aranda Field where I felt like Kalani before this has been more in the Joey Maguire vein. Joey Maguire, interestingly, so he speaks today, Tuesday as we're reporting this, like just a couple hours ago. He also like, they just signed a $5.1 million deal very publicly. Derek Shelby, the agent was very front with the-

Well, that depends on who you talk to point three, maybe. Well, but but the agent was very upfront about making it a 5.1 deal publicly. And like, I don't think Joey could have said anything else. I like that. That's only been a couple of days. And we factor in there's a holiday weekend, it's kind of the most fresh thing on our mind. He probably was the one who could even if he actually felt that way, couldn't have done. It's interesting to hear all these coaches talk about enforcement of the rules because McGuire is a guy we talk about like if there's enforcement

Of the rules like does that go well for Texas Tech right for for Baylor? Does does that match like some of these schools if we do enforce the rules? Which they say they want to and they want to get under control they want to get a regulated But we've talked about this before too Like how do you how does the school then that wants that imposed not also get caught in the crossfires because they did something Too, that's what makes us all so interesting We talked about this a while ago with all the tampering stuff right about like who accuses who's gonna actually come out and say Oh so and so tamper me we did see a little bit like Wisconsin and Miami have this lawsuit now, right?

There's something there So that's a start of this But are we really gonna see teams go at each other? And are we going to see these things be enforced? That's something that's going to be very interesting to see, because in many ways, everyone loses. And they just had a thing with Venmo and talking about the new way they're paying players. And Barry Trammell, obviously the Big 12 legend that he is, asked the question to break your mark

point blank, Brett, how do you stay out of court in terms of the enforcement of this new NIL guardrails? And Brett, to his credit, tried to answer best he can. But at best, it came off as, yeah, we don't really know. We'll find out. Because this is going to get tied up in court. NIL is going to get challenged in the legal system. And we may very well go back to what it was previously,

even though we've just gone through this entire house settlement and having this college sports commission and the like set up. Yeah, the CSC was something that Yormark brought up a couple of times and a couple of coaches did as well as possibly the governing body that will build that that will build the regulations that actually, I don't know, Yormark didn't say punish, but a couple of the coaches have mentioned this this accountability that they need actually, Drake, in that in that event mode thing, he said the enforcement of this is going to be vigorous. And he said the punishments are going to be punitive. That's what he said. So he actually made some extra comments on that in that Venmo deal they just had. So yeah, he apparently finally

has spoken on it. He says it's going to be punitive. And he says enforcement will be vigorous. I think is the term you used. Yeah. That's the beauty of being at big 12 media days, getting to hear the commissioner talk about Venmo and how they're going to pay players. Yeah, 2025, like we have Venmo sponsoring a part of Big 12 Media Day, like what, that's, we've come a long way, I guess. And if you ask Kalani Sathake, we're ruining college, if you ask all of the Big 12 coaches that spoke in their

eight-man roundtable today, then you're going to get the answer that we are ruining college football. It's the, again, the beauty of what we're doing. Chris Climen sitting to our left over here, hanging out. I can actually see Drake right now and I can confirm he is as sunburned as you all think he is over these streams as well too. Always am. Coming up, another big thing Brett Yormark was very clear on, five plus 11 period. This is a very special big 12 media days, Big 12 squad. Today's show is brought to you by FanDuel.

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$5 to get 150 if that bet hits. Fandool.com to get started. Do it with Fandool and do it today. Uh, JT, I know you pointed this out pretty, pretty quickly. Brett Yormark stood on business. He said, We are open for business, and we are only open for the 5 plus 11 format. Now, for those who are wondering what that exactly means, there have been proposals that the SEC could get three or four automatic qualifiers. The Big 10 could get three or four automatic qualifiers in a 16-team college football playoff. Many of the coaches agreed. 16 is a pretty

good format. But Brett Yormark said, We won't do that.off. Many of the coaches agreed. 16 is a pretty good format. But, Brett Yormark said, we won't do that. We won't go the NFL route. We want the games themselves, the results themselves, to speak for themselves. And I thought it was even more interesting, and a lot of other commissioners are going to disagree with that. I thought it was even more interesting that he said, We need to change the metrics. We are auditing how we choose the college football playoff teams. That's a very pointed statement. JT, we'll go to you. Very pointed statement from the commissioner. Yeah, I've said before, I just think the notion of auto bits, like we're just going to give the SEC four spots, we're just going to give the big ten

four spots. I just think it's lunacy. I mean, you have to earn it like when these teams and we just saw once again, what do we see ASU do nearly beat Texas? And that was one thing all these coaches were clearly talking about, too. And it's like I referenced last second too with Kalani Stocky being down to play more of these powerful teams. These guys wanna play like these,

they wanna play the best because they wanna say, hey, you guys keep saying you're the best hypothetically but let's actually settle on the field. So I've long said that auto bids would just be absolutely ridiculous and terrible for this sport. And I'm glad that the coaches agree that, hey, 5'11 model is the way to go because that way you're getting your conference your conference championship in always has to matter

I never want to completely cut the little guy out and this instance that's the group of five So I do think they deserve a spot that Cinderella story needs to be protected So yeah, I think that Utah and or see you Tom locked on you, too But I do think that yes, you talk to all college football. Yeah benefits college football in full. I I understand that. And I actually generally agree with it. I do think that the one reason for your mark was so Adam and about the five plus 11 model is because it's going to be unpopular because people are going to look at what just

happened in the 12 team playoff and looking like, hey, your big 12 got just the one team in. And if we open up to 16, who's to say that those new four spots don't go to two big ten and two SEC schools guarantee yourself a second here and in like prove it that way slow play this thing that's going to be some people's take here I think in the big picture of the macro actually agreed to 5 plus 11 open stuff so we could have more than two big 12 teams if we understood the sport a little bit better maybe

But I will say also like I'm not a fool I understand the biases here and the five plus 11 could very quickly turn into that 11 being five big 10 and six SEC if we're not careful and don't make sure we put some sort of understanding about how it's like Well, aren't we are we looking at it is Brett? Your marks trying to play with a losing hand here and he's trying to put on a good face and a brave face here, making sure that the Big 12's position is very clear. But I think he realizes that he's up against some pretty strong opposition in terms of what he hopes that the Big 12 can do with the 5 plus 11 model.

He mentioned the fact that he believes the Big 12 is going to be the deepest conference this season. He fully expects he'll have at least two teams in the college football playoff. I hope he's right. I really hope he's right. But it feels like he's he's trying to put on a brave face while playing with a losing hand. See, I don't know. He's right behind you right now, by the way. It's literally right behind you. It's sad. You are Brett your mark. I think cards are, if the cards are in the hand of the SEC and the Big Ten, and you understand that they can strong arm pretty much whoever they want to, then you play ball if you really feel like they can strong arm you into oblivion. If you're in his

situation right now and you do think that you can leverage with Tony Petiti or whoever could finally like crack open one of the big 10 of the SEC commissioners or go to Jim Phillips and say, if we do this together, we can make it work. Then that's when you come to the podium and you say, I'm bold enough. And BY has said it on a cage, he's like, hey, our conference champion

shouldn't automatically be in a by game in the college football playoff. We want it to be decided on the field. He has been very transparent about wanting the best for college football in general. And I don't think he would say something so pointed and say we must have we have to have five plus eleven. If he really thought it was a wash and no matter what the SEC or Big Ten will get their way. No, I think you're right.

And then like he thinks that that's the best way could happen. That's how it should happen. And frankly, honestly, if that fourth and 13 conversion against Arizona State last year, I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing.

I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it're right in that like he thinks that that's the best way it could happen. That's how it should happen. And frankly, honestly, if that fourth and 13 conversion against Arizona State last year goes like slightly differently, we're probably talking about like, hey, clearly the big 12

should have had multiple teams in. We saw what B-Wave did in their bowl game. All those questions. I also love as we talk about strong arming and Drake would just reach his arm around that. Hey, Brett Brett I have a question actually Hey, I think really funny. I I just I think that the reason he came out so strong So adamant and probably the only like real pushing thing he did or said Was this was because he knows so many people will not be in faith

Like he he's openly defined what many people will think as the commissioner of the conference and he has reasoning that I think we all agree with even if other ADs or coaches might not. I thought Jay was going to say something. I just want to jump in and say this. I'll go on what something else he mentioned to you. He feels the Big 12 is the deepest conference in college football. I actually don't know if I agree with that. Do you hold it? That's segment three. You hold it. We are in person. You still didn't give us a rundown. Like I just want to make that clear because there are so many in person.

Your commissioner is behind you and we're trying to be a professional podcast and you couldn't give me a rundown still. I should grab him. Shouldn't? It's the beauty of Iman right there too. Yeah the beauty. Sitting behind Jake is Avery Johnson. Everybody's here dude like it's not. This is just we are figuring this out as we go and that's kind of part of the chaos. Okay well let me let me just let me I just want to add here's the deal the five plus eleven model is I think the most I guess, I want to call it American in terms of earning your way to win a national championship. Yeah, we're gonna have like four to the big 10 for to the SEC. Well, guess what that becomes essentially it we're just handing them out. I like the

five plus 11 you make sure that at least there's representation from across the four power force, you give the G five the representation and then there are the other 11. Yeah, if the big 10 or the SEC are the best conference in a given year, then yeah, guess what, they're going to get the lion's share of those conference, conference invites, actual invites to the CFP that very well may happen every single year. I still think it's the most, I guess you want to call it American model is to have the 11 at largest. I like that Jake stopped just short of calling the other models communism. He was very close. Very close. Very close. I love that he

used just like American instead of using communism. He was like this one would be more American. The most democratic guys. That's what I will say. And I don't mean to like, we should probably get away from that actually with my next point, because I think that that's fair. I just, I don't have faith because we'll talk about this in December when they do the deal or whatever, I'm sure, that in this first year of it or whatever, the first year it happens, that we won't just get that because they'll tell us about how well the SEC does this, the SEC does that because of their preseason AP rankings

that we've talked about at NAZI, or because of the people that put in the NFL draft that we've talked about and like, it's like, they won't look at the fact that the class of 2026, that's a bunch of five stars, went to a bunch of big 12 schools. They won't look at at the head come It'll be like well, yeah, Houston played Oklahoma super close, but like whatever Alabama beat or they'll do some other thing which is funny because I'm actually

but that I Think that they're still going to fall back to that narrative in the immediate future I think the big thing here that's interesting is that your mark like so many things is thinking about what happens after that what happens after one of our schools wins a college playoff shall see you some doing right or whatever. And you're looking at like, okay, they showed it can be done now we'll get that second team or they both want to play off game we'll do that third he's looking

past that even though in the immediate future I do think it's gonna hurt kind of that Yeah, I do want to really quick just give give the big to give the college football playoff committee credit They did the right thing by putting SMU in last year I hope that they continue to do that. They haven't completely gone off the deep end and only big ten in SEC They did the right thing last year. Hopefully the SMU that be why you beat head-to-head in Dallas Oh my gosh, y'all did not deserve to get it. We can do that on other Not for this push like post that then you all did not deserve to get it. We can do that on another show. I'm sorry.

Not for this push like post that then all of a sudden we get BYU. Hey. No one was talking about that. We have a lock on SMU now. Shout out to that guy. That's true. There you go. Yeah.

Hey, locked on SMU. Locked on ponies, right? Or locked on SMU. I don't know what they call it. Something like that. Coming up, let's talk about the Big 12 being the deepest conference in college football because I agree JT Westersell does not. This is a special Big 12 Media Day squad.

Live with the crew from Big 12 Media Day is Brett Euromark took the podium today and said the Big 12 is the deepest football conference in America. We talked a lot about quarterback play and we talked overall about how this conference has, even the coaches mentioned the quarterback play being so deep and that's a major part of how you determine which league goes goes more than two three four contenders and For better or worse because your mark said it on parity to he talked about parity said parity is fun But you need two schools that ideally a couple of schools will emerge as the top dogs and be elite But I I think this is an immediate shot of the SEC and the Big Ten to say, look, yeah, you've got two teams,

three teams, maybe four. The Big 12 has 16, we learned last year, 16 teams that can go to the college football playoff. I think that constitutes you being, especially with nine quarterbacks returning, who are all elite, you being the deepest conference in football. More than quarterbacks though, to me,

I look at it like this. And once again, what I have always been a proponent of is that the best teams deserve to get in. But I do think that's different things. We're saying like, hey, there are big 12 teams that are better than SEC teams and saying, hey, it's deeper than the SEC. I just look at some of those South Carolina LSU. I do think the SEC is probably the deepest conference to me. I look at the level of talent they have. And

I'm not trying to be that guy who all of a sudden sells out. But there's just been a lot of SEC programs that do have that power and that prowess where I say, Hey, you can give the SEC the like when it's close gaps, we can give them the benefit of the doubt. But bad losses are still bad losses. That's where I get frustrated losing to Oklahoma losing to Vanderbilt. Those are bad losses. Those those are bad losses, just like there's bad losses. Right losing to

Cincinnati last year wasn't great. I know some of the some good teams did that. But I just bad losses, just like there's bad losses. Right losing the Cincinnati last year wasn't great. I know some of the some good teams did that. But I just still I don't think it's the deepest conference. Maybe I'm the only one here. The big 12. I don't think the big 12 steepest. I still think it is the SEC. Honestly, it's how you define deep. Like that's the thing about this. JT if you look at over under win totals, the deep speaking of how it's gonna be deep is we have over under win totals topping out at 9.5 in the

big 12. I think the lowest I've seen is four. They think that this is a league that's gonna be jumbled kind of right in the middle. The concern to your point is, is if you don't have maybe one or two teams that are 10 and two, 11 and one, and actually in the college world playoff discussion, that's where it kind of gets off the rails a little bit, where yeah, you maybe cannibalize yourselves

and the national narrative goes, shifts more towards the big 10, the SEC, or even the ACC in that respect Yeah, I think what's interesting here is it's actually kind of two different kinds of good There's good all regular season in terms of entertaining where you don't know who's going to win on a given Saturday I think we could also be like that's really fun. That's a good product There's also like excellence where you're good. You're consistently winning. You're beating some teams by a lot You're showing dominance in the field.

And I think the truth is, as a conference you kind of want both. And it's, if you had to pick one, what you pick. And right now the Big 12 is leaning more towards that parody side of things. And that's really fun. And we know ASU, if we keep talking about it, almost beat Texas in the classical playoff last year,

and then would have had, you know, a classical playoff win on top of it all. But ASU also won some really close games in this conference, that like, honestly, you play them 10 times, they might not win five out of 10 of those, right? And so that's part of the fun of what we do. They're different calibers of like, what is good?

What is a good product? And it was interesting today, it wasn't as explosive, but that Brett Gilmour did say the other kind of good is actually kind of something we want to have as well. We've all been pitching this hope. So you're saying the SEC, were you agreeing SEC is deeper or no? No, I don't think.

Oh, come on. I want to high five you. We're so close. I don't even agree. We're this close together. Gosh dang it. I will say, though, you should really go to the SEC once you leave this conference and goes, you should really go top of the SEC once Utah

leaves this conference and goes because that may be one of your future destinations, right? You'll talk about that all the time in Utah. It's big 10 though. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's the big 10. There's a, there's a piece of this that I, I will, I will back up JT, look at the Mac and we love Tuesday night maxion because Miami of Ohio could beat Tilly already given week. Okay. To be fair, we love Tuesday night maxon because Miami of Ohio could beat Tilly during a given week. To be fair, we love Tuesday night Maxon because of FanDuel more than eight. Yeah, yes, that's where I utilize FanDuel the most. But they're deep. They have eight teams that could probably win the Mac any given year. It's a matter of having those teams be a brand that can stand out in college football. Arizona State is not getting coverage on ESPN. Sam Levitt is, Sam Levitt's one of the best quarterbacks

to play, but Arizona State as a program is just not going to sell, at least not right now. BYU sells, Texas Tech sells. Even Kansas State or Oklahoma State, I think Houston can climb into that category, Utah very obviously is. But if you have a deep conference and that depth is some of your weaker brands,

that's where things get really tough. Like the better, if for the next few years, NC State dominates the ACC, that's the worst news possible for the ACC. It's only going to hurt them more. They need their brands to win. So the Mac is deep. The Big Tall needs to be the deepest conference in college football, but it doesn't matter because the brands are, the better brands are deepest. Well, and that's to your point, Drake. You need the BYUs, the Texas Techs. You need your biggest brands to also succeed because there's a double whammy there.

Winning and obviously name brand recognition. That's what the Big 12 has been lacking. It feels like since they've expanded to the 16 team format, now they need the power brands to finally emerge and start winning their share I don't mean to always be the guy that dumps the basketball We do talk about like NBA coverage and TV numbers being down But they've had a different champion eight years in a row

But TV numbers are super high up when it was like the Warriors every year It was dispersed so often it was the Jordan Bulls in the 90s They won six and eight years The numbers were through the roof. The numbers are down now that a different team is winning every year. I think UR Mark is pointing out that while we're somewhat professionalized in college sports, it might actually be better to kind of have that option

where like, hey, some dynasty that's like the bad guy, the Death Star would be great to have. People love greatness. Did you just let Brett UR Mark get away? I mean, come on, man. He was right there with an arms reach. Right behind me. We could have had him to answer all of these questions for us. And I mean, I think the way that he would put it is the depth of the Big 12 is good for the conference overall. Parody,

as he already mentioned, isn't the best thing. And you need to find your good teams, your elite teams, but having depth more than the SEC, more than the Big Ten, gives you stronger matchups when... And yeah, man, it's tough again. I talk about it a lot. The SEC, they have the number two team, play the number six team every week. Like they've got a top ten matchup somewhere there every week. We have a lot of number 24 versus number 19,

number 17 versus number 22, number 15 versus number 16. And that's where the depth is. You have your sixth best team. It's like, wow, they're actually a really good football team. But again, looking back at last season, if that team is in Colorado, it's probably fourth or fifth in the big 12, right? Kansas State is somewhere sitting in that same spot.

Are you talking about the brand thing? Is that what you're talking about right now? Mostly yes. I just feel like there's a massive difference between the national perception, perception, brand wise, BYU versus ASU right now, because neither one had been a football powerhouse. So I don't think there's a massive gap there. I think someone is trying to fill and become that. Homer is come on now.

Say that one more time. Spoken like a true you Homer that you are. No, BYU is not named brand. I have never be why you was a big brand in Provo and it's still a brand that has it be why you is probably the biggest brand in the big 12 but I do not think it is much more than an ace there you go yeah biggest brand in the big 12 he clipped that probably I mean do you I mean I think they are I do I just but I don't think it's that big of a

difference between them and ASU because because if you ask anyone from SEC country about either of those teams, they're going to be like, in fact, they probably would lean more recently to ASU, just since they won most recently. Even if BYU was number two last year, you ain't first or last, like Ricky Baldy said. That's true.

He did say that. Thank you for bringing your Taladega Nights quote to it. Overall, to be righteous, gemstone's a good one, too. I just couldn't get to that. Gemstone's quotes would also work. Overall, spectacular day at Big 12 media days, the entire Big 12 locked on Big 12 family. Yes, JT. Can I throw one more thing in just because I'm angered everyone enough yet. Would y'all agree with what Kalani Satake said? I actually think I would be in favor of it to play only P4 teams. He talked about you play SEC one non-con, big 10 one non conference game, then ACC I don't I go back and forth because I don't like cutting out the little guys. But at the same time, I don't love tuning in on

Saturday, knowing that Utah is going to bludgeon whoever they're playing in that game, it can serve a benefit to red shirts, I guess. And just when you're opening your stadium, I know you want a guaranteed win. So you're going to schedule the Citadel all as much as you can. But I don't hate that idea. I think I would be down for that. And then you just got to figure out another way. Maybe it's a spring game where you play that team.

I don't know. What do you think? I'll close this out with an objective opinion. And objective opinion. This is good. Utah goes 12 and 0. Their three non-conference games were Wake Forest, Southern Utah, the Citadel.

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