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Episode Date: April 10, 2024

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On today's Locked on Jayhawks, early thoughts through the offseason for KU basketball in 2024 to 2025. Is this what it's going to be? What's most important? We'll play some fun games of who cares and whose stat line is it anyway. You are Locked on Jayhawks, your daily podcast on the Kansas Jayhawks. Part of the Locked on Podcast Network, your team every day. I'm Derek Johnson. You can give me a follow on Twitter at D Johnson Radio. He's Nick Schwert at Nick underscore Schwert.

And you can find us here with Locked on Jayhawks anywhere you get your podcast. Thank you for making it your first listen every day. We're free and available anywhere you get it, including on our YouTube page where you can like and subscribe to the show. We're going to be talking about KU basketball off season, looking ahead to 2024, 2025. And we got a fun segment in the middle portion of things here, and we'll finish up with whose stat line is it anyway.

First though, today's episode of the show is brought to you by GameTime. Download the GameTime app, create an account and use code locked on college for $20 off your first you by GameTime. Download the GameTime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONCOLLEGE for $20 off your first purchase with GameTime. So KU basketball finishes out the season, second round exit to Gonzaga. Since then, we have seen Riley Kugel added to the team. We've seen Zeke Mayo added to the team. Still waiting on some decisions to kind of come out.

And I'm curious your thoughts because, as you know, there is a lot going around. It's basically like a civil war among KU fans of, oh, this team wasn't very good, and now you're possibly bringing back, you know, a Furphy and Dickinson decide to come back. So you have a team that wasn't very good, and you're just going to run it back. But then you have the other side of it, which is, yeah,

but Bill Self does really good when he has a lot of continuity. And the last time they brought back four starters they won the national title where do you kind of stand as you prepare to get hit with a cannonball from the uh other side of the the fan base I would say I'm probably somewhere in the middle but if I had to side with one faction of the other because I feel like I have to I I can't just say both. Great points on both sides. I would say that I'm a little bit more towards the bringing people back. I want to see some continuity, but to me, it comes with a caveat. I think when you go back to the beginning of this last season, there were a lot of points where we said, man, Hunter Dickinson may be the best big

man in the country or looking like one of the best big men. Kevin McCullough played like an All-American. Johnny Furphy hits the ground running, looked like one of the best freshmen in the country. The pieces were there. They just didn't fit very well with one another. So are any of these guys that we're talking about potentially returning, Dewan KJ Adams going to turn into significantly different players not necessarily better just different players than they were last year probably not Dewan is who he is Hunter is who he is Furphy can get better but like we know what he is he's a floor spacer he's a transition finisher I what, what needs to happen if all of these guys end up returning is the roles just have to change a little bit. And when I say these guys, let's just get pointed with it. It's

KJ Adams. Um, I, I would venture a guess to say that Bill Self, KJ Adams, both saw how that season went. Neither one of them are dumb. Neither one of them are like, yeah, let's just try it again. Yeah, no, no, it'll work. We can put KJ next to Hunter for 30 minutes a night. That can work. It can't work. Anybody who watched Kansas this year knows that will not work. I would venture a guess to say when they do their exit meetings,

probably last week or two weeks ago, there was maybe a little bit of a heart to heart to say, KJ, obviously, you know, this didn't work. We want you back. You're a program guy. We want you around the building. Like we want you on this team. You can't, you can't start next to Hunter Dickinson anymore.

You can't play 30 minutes next to that guy anymore. So I think KJ can be a useful piece, just not the way they used him last year. And if you change up some of the pieces in just very very subtle ways right put a few more shooters on the floor in between Juan and Hunter all of a sudden I can envision how this would be a very good team with all the same pieces granted they're not all playing the exact same role they played the year before yeah and I do think it's interesting because I I kind of run into that same thing where I'm like,

well, you can't really fix the fit. Like, yes, you can make KJ come off the bench. You can make him play 22 minutes per game instead of 30. You can make Hunter Dickinson play 26 a game. You can make DeJuan play 28 to 30 a game where he can be a more rested, better defender. You can't really fix the fit but then I think back to 2021 and what was the big offseason comment from Bill Self before that 2022 season it was or I guess right after the 2021 season ended we need to get more athletic

and they brought everybody back like it's not like they were way more athletic the next year you know they they just were more experienced and they just were better. And Ochagbaje blossomed into a National Player of the Year candidate. And Remy Martin was enough in the postseason. And, like, that confluence of everything was enough to come together. So, yeah, I think it is something where, you know, if you were asking me to build a roster, I would never want to start in today's day and age with two big men. But, you know, you're in a situation where you're Kansas, where you have a second team All-American at center who's putting up gigantic numbers.

And you have a program guy in K.J. Adams. You're not going to say no to either of those players coming back to where you just have to kind of work with it and finesse it any way you can. And so from that point, yeah, I think it is doable. And who's to say that – because I agree with you. I do think that's probably something that Bill Self talked about in the exit meetings and that we'll see what the role ends up being. Maybe it ends up being, hey, we do play a little bit of too big basketball, if you're Bill Self, but it's 10 minutes a game.

It's 15 minutes a game as opposed to all 40, and maybe it's not in a closing lineup or something like that. But I do think there is a part of me that goes, you know, yes, it still is not ideal to play too big basketball, but like, who's to say if Nick Timberlake wouldn't have just been a 40% three point shooter, which is what you brought him in to be all season long. And if El Marco Jackson was, you know, looked like the potential first round draft pick that mock drafts had him before the season started, like maybe it would have worked anyway, even with the two big lineups,

even if it wasn't a perfect fit, maybe there would have been a two seed or something in the NCAA tournament. Maybe they would have, you know, finished second or third in the big 12. Maybe they would have had a much better year where this wouldn't be as much of a, I guess, splitting hairs conversation.

Yeah, when you have a lot of warts, you notice all of the individual ones more than you would if you just had a couple, right? Like you've magnified them. You say, look at all of these different issues. I think you're totally right. And especially this season where we kept waiting for things to start clicking. We kept waiting for one of these two guards to sort of emerge off the bench. We looked for the depth.

We looked for the shooting, and it never really happened. And then the conversation kind of changed a little bit, didn't it? It started to become, well, Hunter's pretty slow. Oh, he's not a great defender. Well, KJ's a bit of a liability. Well, Juan's not shooting enough. It's like, wait, are these actually the issue? Is this the main reason why KU is having the struggles they are

this season? Or have we kind of just moved on because we got tired of saying the same thing for two or three months. So I'm with you. I think, is it perfect? No. But if you're telling me that's a 10 minute, a lineup per game, like game like no there's not a team in the country including UConn who just won the national title who just can look at their their rotations from the beginning of the season and say we're perfect for 40 minutes every single night like there there are no shortcomings from any of the lineups that we could possibly that's just going to happen and if you told me that the biggest issue for KU next year is going to be that KJ is playing with Hunter for 10 minutes a game I'll take that all. What to you becomes the most important part of this off season now, as of right now, they're flush on scholarships. So we'll wait and see, I guess they could have

the one more if they just pushed it down another year, but you know, they're adding Zeke Mayo and Riley Kugel. I mean, you can never have enough shooting. Then again, we saw some of the defensive issues at the end of last season. What becomes if you're going to add, say, one more player? I don't know. It might end up being more. It might end up being less. What do you think is more important for the profile you're looking for? Perimeter shooting slash creation or capable defender?

Buckets. All day. All day. Because the thing with Timberlake, we knew he was a liability on defense, but we were like, he'll make up for it with his shooting. It'll be kind of like a double-edged sword for Bill Self. He loves defenders, but when the guy's knocking down 40% all season, you have no choice. Well, neither, I mean, he was a bad defender and he made up for it by shooting 20% from three. So like, I think that the defense had its issues and Hunter's not super quick, whatever.

I think that when you look at the problems from last year, if KU could just score the damn ball, we wouldn't have been talking about the defense. The metrics, I think, were pretty solid still. I think Ken Palm had him around a top 10 defense, but it was pretty obvious to anybody who was watching, like, this isn't great. Furphy wasn't great on defense. And then you start to wonder, are DeJuan and Kevin, who we thought were elite defenders, are they maybe a little overextended, fatigued from just what they were having to take on all season long?

So it's not going to be a perfect defense, I think, when Hunter is your anchor, but it could be good enough. I mean, that Michigan team, his freshman year was really solid defensively, and they were two points away from going to the Final Four. I want to say Hunter's last year at Michigan, when the team wasn't even that great, a lot of people thought they had a bad defense. I think in Big Ten only games, they were like second in the Big Ten in defense.

So being big, being 7'2", still does matter. It's bad against ball screens. It's bad against teams who space the floor and everything, but like, I don't know, being giant kind of does help. Yeah. And let's just one final note on that. Like it was a mess this year, Derek, it was a mess. And when you get to the end of the season and you've got the same issues you had at the beginning of the season, I'm not saying guys checked out, but it certainly felt like to us on the outside, the writing was on the wall. Then you hear Bill Self's comments. I've kind of been thinking about next year. Don't think he was checked out, but everybody recognizes what's happening. And so I just kind of wonder like, was that maybe resignation a little

bit that this just isn't going to happen? There was no digging deep. There were no dogs who were getting these guys to like find that extra gear to get to the finish line. So I'm not going to read too much into it. The biggest problem all season was shooting, scoring, playmaking. That's what I'm going with. All right, we're going to debut a new segment coming up next. It's called Who Cares? You're going to say what you care more about.

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It doesn't necessarily mean that you don't care about the other one, or maybe you don't care about either. But you have to pick one between the two. Zeke Mayo committing or Riley Kugel committing, which do you care more? I care more about Zeke Mayo. Um, and I'm biased, you know, this, like I covered all his games in high school. And by the time he was a freshman, 15 year old starting for one of the best teams in the state of Kansas, I said, that kid is different. Like a basketball IQ in control. And then you see it translate to the next level, being one of the best players in his conference for each of the last two years. I don't think he's going to be a star at Kansas, but going back to what KU needs. First off, he's the antithesis of Nick Timberlake, like dribbling off your knee, like trying to yam it and it going two feet into the state. Like that's not Zeke.

He's going to be in control. He's not going to be hunting shots. He is just going to like take what is given to him. I think that's a perfect compliment next to Juan. Like I'll say it right now, April 9th, I think Zeke Mayo is going to be the starting two guard for Kansas. I think he could be a 10, 11, 12 point per game score, knock down 40% of your threes. This is going to be a really good secondary ball handler. With Kugel, I just don't know enough. I think all these guys are probably told the same

thing by the staff, which is, hey, not going to promise you a starting spot. What we will promise you is a chance to compete. There's going to be a ton of roster overturn. We're looking to shake things up. We're looking to really change the fabric of this team from last season to next season. You can be a part of that. So with Kugel, he's a wing. He had a really good fresh into his freshman year, lost his starting job, didn't really respond well. So I really don't know what to make of him, but he seems to me like to be like a high

upside type guy who certainly can score in bunches. So I think they're both good ads and they both kind of fit the mold of what KU is trying to do this off season, but I'm going Zeke just because I feel like I know what he's going to bring to this team. I would agree. It's Zeke,

but yeah, I think there's a little internal bias from me. For sure. For sure. But you're right. I mean, it's, it's the shock creation. I you're right. I mean, it's the shot creation. I mean, Riley Kugel, it's the same idea. Shot creation, good athlete.

But with Zeke, there's a little bit more efficiency there. Okay, Hunter Dickinson's decision, which we're waiting on, or Johnny Furphy's decision, which we're waiting on? Man, this is tough because I feel more confident that Hunter's going to return than I do. Try to remove that. Like, which do you think is more important for the team? I guess.

I'm going to say Hunter. Because whether or not you think he's a better player, he changes how KU plays next year in a more substantial way. Like if Johnny's gone. Okay. What, what, what, okay, what is Johnny Furphy? He is a knockdown shooter and he's a transition finisher. All right, I mean, you may not get as good of a version of that, but you can get that in the portal.

What if Hunter's gone? Okay, well, now your bread and butter offensively is gone. You have to completely rewrite how you think this team plays. First off, to go get a starting center like you have to go i don't know and i don't know what kind of player that will be or you have to steer into playing kj at the five with you know right and stuff right it completely changes the way you want to play yeah so if i'm just doing the roster math set aside what you think about those guys we know how ku is gonna play with hunter dickinson out there. He is going to be the number one option offensively, and he's going to be an incredibly efficient

scorer. He's going to get you 20 and 10 close to every single night. I don't know how you replicate that. And I don't know how you complete, I mean, Hunter's gone. You completely take a step back with what you're doing this off season and say, okay, we're shifting all of our priorities. We got to go figure out if we can get a starting big in the portal with Furphy. I just don't think it changes things that much. See, for me, I am still going Furphy just because like, who's the other true wing on this roster? Like KJ, I guess is sort of a wing if he's playing the four, but we know not really. And then Riley Kugelel maybe he'll play some three but like he's not really a wing he's more of a guard he's like i think that's but i think that's why like when

you start to hear about some of these portal names that ku is reaching out to and potentially interested in i think that uh and in some ways like yeah you might you might try to add those guys even if furphy does come back but in some ways they can be seen as an insurance policy okay furphy's gone let's go get aj store from wisconsin right like it's just there are more of those out there there are more wings out there than there are seven two big men who can get you 20 a night kj adams coming back for his final season or DeJuan Harris coming back for his final season? What do I care more about? Well, okay.

So like I said earlier, I know there's a lot of fans out there, and I may have even said this a month ago. Like I may have thought differently about it. I know there's a lot of KU fans out there who are just like, no, Bill Self won't be able to quit KJ. Like, I don't care what anybody says. It's going to be game one, Allen Fieldhouse in November, and KJ is going to be starting playing 30 minutes. I don't think that's going to happen. So the KJ return to me doesn't signal that we're just running it back again with this same like core group of guys. So I'm going to answer one. And it's because one is so like, he's, he's such a good point guard,

but I feel like the fact that he has a ring and he's like one of Bill's guys, like Bill made that very clear from day one. Hey, like this kid's special. He's going to be really good. It just hampers how you build a lineup, man. I love Juan, but I feel like he gets a little bit overinflated in the value he brings to a team. And he's been here for what seems like six years already.

But I mean, it really will be his sixth year with the team, fifth year playing. And I got, this is going to be hard for me to like say out loud, but, um, there's part of me that's just like, it's time. Like, thank you. Thank you for the title. You're a legend. You'll always be a legend, but like, maybe it's, maybe it's time to get some fresh blood in that starting point guard spot. But I think aside from what you think about him, just how he plays,

it's, it's probably a little bit tougher to like recruit these elite point guards in, or even two guards, because most of these two guards are used to having the ball in their hands like most of these guys want the ball and they don't play well without it see nicholas timberlake what happened when you took the ball out of his hands like it didn't look pretty because he's like i'm a spot-up shooter well then i'm just going to shoot every single time i touch the ball so i i think it affects the team in a more substantial way with KJ coming back. I don't think it guarantees anything. Juan's coming back, obviously, like where else is he going to go?

You know what his role is going to be like, he is going to be your starting point guard and he's going to play 35 minutes a night. You can go ahead and set that in stone. For me, I'm leaning KJ just because of it. I mean, the role is so undefined. What is the role going to be? How is this team going to play? I think it's interesting.

I also think it's very interesting. This doesn't just go for DeJuan and KJ. I guess technically it would go for Hunter Dickinson if he came back. We've seen the last three years a KU player who decided to use that one final year to come back to Kansas, and they've had a big jump. And we've seen it before even past the last three years. Right. You saw it with Frank Mason. I guess to like, like a lesser extent, you could say you saw it a little bit with like Perry Ellis and I don't know

some other guys that you could mention there. Does that happen for any of those players with like Hunter Dickinson? It feels like you're kind of already at the ceiling with the one Harris. It feels like we know what you're getting with the one, but is there another level of cage? You know what I mean? Like we say this a lot like at basketball people like people who criticize the game or whatever talk about the game we use that phrase a lot like oh he kind of is who he is no i remember me and you had a lot of conversations saying just that about frank mason going into a

senior yeah of course and then what happened and it is overused like you think you see a guy for three years and you're and he's 22 and you're just like oh he'll never change um i feel pretty confident saying dewan harris is the most is who he is player that may have ever existed and only because we've seen him for so long and it's never he's he plays the exact same way he did his freshman year four years ago and we've seen him for so long and it's never he's he plays the exact same way he did his freshman year four years ago and we've been waiting every offseason maybe he'll just get on that jumper just a little bit or just be a little more eager to shoot it's never it's never changed and that's fine because i will still maintain if you have dewan harris at the one and hunter at the five it can work really, really well.

You just need three shooters in between them. And not like three shooters, like Kevin McCuller was a shooter this year. No, like three pure knockdown shooters in between them. Like that's a national championship starting five. All right, let's finish up who stat line is anyway on Locked on Jayhawks. First, this episode of the show is brought to you by GameTime.

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That led Kansas this year in terms of volume. So if we go back two years ago to the team that won the national title, how many players on that team do you think made more than 44 three-pointers in that season? Okay. At least two. Ochai and CB, I'm'm guessing Ochai made 103 Christian Brown did clear it he had 51 I think that's it because Remy didn't play enough Jalen was not a good shooter

Dwan didn't shoot enough Remy had 29 J coleman lands had 30 so yeah the answer is two there which i found to be a little bit surprising and i was actually going back and looking obviously there have been a lot of people who have made the comps with the 2021 team to this team and i think part of that comes from the hope of what would happen after that but it's actually funny kansas finished after the national title game the other night kansas finished this year 27th in Kenpom. The 2021 team finished 27th in Kenpom. The 2021 team ended up shooting 33.6% from three. This year's team shot 33.6% from three. And so when we look at the national title team the next year, well, they clearly shot threes a lot better. The number went up to 36.1%, which didn't put them like in an elite category in the country, but above them at exactly put them in a good enough

range where when you combine everything else, it was enough. And when you look at it, you might be wondering, okay, what led to that jump in the number? Obviously, they had Remy Martin instead of Marcus Garrett, but Remy Martin only made six more threes than Marcus Garrett did on 4% better. So it's not all that. Jalen Wilson got worse by a decent amount freshman to sophomore year. So that actually went down. Christian Brown went up a little bit. There was really one reason why they became a much better three-point shooting team,

and it was one guy. It was Ochai Agbaje Ochai shot 41 percent on 243 tries the rest of Kansas shot 32.4 percent from three that year on 432 tries Ochai made 103 three-pointers the rest of the team combined made 140 so I don't know if this is a a smart thing to rely on maybe this is more of like the exception to the rule and this shouldn't be a lesson that I'm trying to come through but here's what I'm basically saying is it as simple as for KU to take a big jump shooting the basketball just having one guy who can go bonkers i.e. a Johnny Furphy coming back? I don't think it is because, well, I would first say about that 2022 team and specifically relating to the jump from 2021. For the longest time, when Bill only had one title at Kansas, we would always hark back to the 08 team.

You know, that team had, that team had, that team was actually the best team in the country, like all season. They were one of the best team in the country like all season they were one of the best teams in the country i think they were the number one overall seed entering the tournament uh they're the fourth actually okay well close i know it was only three that was obviously a bonkers year with yeah and all four of those one seeds made the final four the 2022 team i don't think we should use in that way because from the sheer standpoint of, Bill Self is never going to look back on that team and say, let's do that. Like, let's get a guy in who's supposed to be like our starting point guard,

who there's drama surrounding all season long, goes through knee injuries, and then just like shows up in March and helps lead us to a title. I think back to that year, all the conversation and narratives around David McCormick, is he good enough to get the job done? He was never really that dude until it mattered. I'm not trying to take away from that team. I'm just saying, I don't think that's the blueprint. I don't think that 2022 team should ever be the blueprint only because I don't know how repeatable it is. I don't know how much of that team you would say, no, that's the formula. That's the way to get it done.

I think there are better ways to get it done or more likely ways because Ochai, I mean, that dude was different. That off season, working out with Damian Lillard's trainer, took his game to a completely different level I don't think I could put those expectations on Furphy I get it like he was he's already an NBA draft prospect and Ochai wasn't but that's that's a lot to ask of a kid who's supposed to be a senior in high school right now so it sounds great by the way

I just want to say that I'd love it if Furphy came back and played like a first team All-American and was a 40 whatever percent three point shooter average in 20 a game. Sign me up. I don't think that like if I'm trying to figure out how KU gets to that level next year, that that's the way I'm going to do it. I do think that as much as I'm an advocate for keeping guys in the program, developing them, this team is in need of a talent infusion that I think you have to do through the portal. He's Nick Schwert. What can you check out with some of your work going on right now? We'll have a podcast up later this week.

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