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Starting point is 00:00:00 We got two Blue Bloods who might both be underrated, and we're going to learn a lot about both. Can Kansas take down North Carolina? Can North Carolina enact a little bit of revenge for last year? And I guess we don't need to bring up some of the other ones as well. This is Locked on crossover. You are Locked on College Croslover, part of the Locked on podcast network. Your team every day. What's going on, Derek Johnson with Isaac Shade here on locked on crossover.

Starting point is 00:00:36 We've got locked on Jayhawks, locked on Tor heels, and it is a awesome blue blood matchup on Friday with Kansas and North Carolina coming up on Friday at 6 o'clock central, 7 o'clock Eastern time. You can give Isaac a follow at Isaac Shade. You can give me a follow at D. Johnson Radio on Twitter. And on today's edition, we are breaking down the Kansas North Carolina game. We're going to get into some of the top, I guess, stories and things that we're feeling about. these teams coming into this game. We're getting into players to watch who could certainly determine this game. And then we'll get to what it's going to take for either of these schools to come down with the victory on today's show. And this episode of the show is brought to you by

Starting point is 00:01:13 Fanduals sports book. Right now, new customers can bet just $5. And if your bet wins, you'll get $300 in bonus bets to use across the app. Download the app today with Fanduals. Isaac, thanks for hopping on here. And I think anytime you get any of the blue bloods going up against each other, like it is appointment television um and it's just a fun matchup like i don't know getting these early season matchups where we can drum up interest in college basketball like Isaac also does locked on college basketball um it's just a i think a good thing overall for the sport but i think this one's really fun to me because i do think both of these teams are in a similar spot where you know maybe underachieved a little last year to where you were expected to be and now you go into

Starting point is 00:01:56 this year kind of thinking both could be underrated and i and i think whoever wins this game that's going to be kind of the national takeaway like this is the team that okay you know maybe they should be rated a little higher than where they are that's so good Derek great point and it's funny because championship game down in new orleans right and now now we get back to where as you said i both teams i think because of last year, I think are being severely underrated, both Kansas and Carolina, I think are severely underrated in the preseason. And unfortunately, as you so well just said it, I think whoever is the winner here is probably going to get fairly, or excuse me, unfairly like overpraised and whoever is the loser

Starting point is 00:02:46 is going to get unfairly like slandered. And I don't think that's the case, right? What I'm hoping for is a just high, high level basketball game between. We actually got last year. So good last year in Allen Fieldhouse, dude. Like came down to that Elliot Kadove shot for a game tying three at the buzzer, missed. I mean, it was so, so, so good. I'm looking for almost a repeat of that, 9289. Obviously, Carolina fans would love to see it in the other order of the score.

Starting point is 00:03:16 But I just, I think our two fan bases can hopefully rationally walk away from this. Derek, I know on the Carolina side of things, I was talking about this on my other Thursday show is Carolina kind of has four swing games and non-con play. This one at Kentucky, Michigan State, and the Fort Myers Invertational in Ohio State in the CBS Sports Classic. And you feel like you really need to go at least three and one at worst two and two in those games. And I think for Carolina, it's like, especially because of losing last year, as you were saying, enacting a measure of revenge, I think winning this game goes a long way to maybe rid some of the demons of last year, but also to take some of the pressure off of those other three games.

Starting point is 00:04:01 But the problem is, I'm sure Kansas fans probably feel some of the same dilemma. Yeah, I mean, Yukon and the non-conn at NC State, Duke in the non-con players era, Missouri and the not, like, yeah, it's very much a similar situation with what you're looking at there. And I do think, you know, from the Kansas perspective, like it's very, much a game where you're going on the road you already won a louisville in an exhibition game which it's it's an exhibition but um it's this idea of feeling like you're back if you win the game and it doesn't guarantee it because you know last year it felt like kansas was back when they beat duke and that didn't work out and and they beat michigan state in the champions class iq ended up having a

Starting point is 00:04:40 much better season than kansas ended up having but it just with the newness on both rosters too i think that's part of it that that makes it feel like a bit of a validation like that is one difference, I think, from this year compared to last year, right? Like, when you look at last year's teams, it actually, like, it being a close game, actually kind of made sense in the end, Kansas being a seven seed, Carolina being 11. I can't help but wonder, like, if Carolina wins that game, like, they're certainly not in the first four, is Carolina like a nine seed or a 10 seed? And is Kansas on that eight, who knows? Maybe we've got to rematch it in the NCAA tournament. But this year is opposed to having O'Hunter Dickinson and KJ. Adams and DeWan Harris back as

Starting point is 00:05:17 veterans, but have maybe kind of plateaued and having RJ Davis and, you know, Jalen Withers and all these guys back for North Carolina. It's like, okay, well, Seth Trimbles back and okay, Marco Jackson's back. But it's like, it is a bunch of new player. And I think that's why this one to me feels like a bigger deal than last year just from the standpoint of it is a bit more validation because there are a lot more unknowns at this point on both rosters. That's that's so true. And, and the good news, too, is, you know, I think a lot of people, I know you and I texted about it this offseason when Bill Self had another episode is I was like, daggum it. I hope Bill Self's okay. We can't lose an American treasure out of more, more coaches

Starting point is 00:05:59 leaving early. But it seems like he is, you know, hearing him talk about it at Big 12 media days, sounds like he is in better shape than ever, feeling great. Medical professionals are saying he feels it's great. And so that is the good side of it, too, is you get, you know, just one of the best ever to do it as part of this. And that's great. You mentioned earlier, and I forgot to follow up on, yeah, this is clearly the highlight of Friday night's NCAA basketball. We got some other great basketball on Saturday. There's some other high-level games as well. But yes, Derek, especially now that we don't have Champions Classic, like tipping off the season as it used to do, we're still a week or two away from that. It's great to get a bunch of high-level

Starting point is 00:06:40 level games here on week one. You know, we had Arizona, Florida to open the season. My goodness, Arizona looked good. And so I love that our two programs, as stressful as it is for this to be game two, I love that these two Blue Blood programs who can both trace, obviously more directly with Kansas, James Naismith roots, like it's just good for college basketball. And I couldn't be more excited for it. Yeah, and Bill Self mentioned at a press conference this week that he would love to continue

Starting point is 00:07:09 this home and home. And I think that makes so much sense when you look at it like just the ties between these two programs with Dean Smith playing at Kansas coming to North Carolina. Roy Williams from Kansas to North Carolina. Where was his alma mater? Kansas fans love

Starting point is 00:07:26 floating the Michael Jordan picture where he's at a KU camp for Roy Williams wearing a Jayhawk jersey. It's just there's so many like kind of fun ties between the two. Now one fun tie in this game is going to be years from now. We'll look back when they're both having lengthy NBA careers

Starting point is 00:07:41 and going how that was a fun college matchup, at least you'd certainly think. We've made it too far into this episode without mentioning Darren Peterson against Caleb Wilson. And I don't know how often they'll actually match up on each other. I think it's probably in my eyes, like a little more likely Wilson matches up

Starting point is 00:07:57 on a possession or two on Peterson because Wilson's obviously known is that potential to be this freak defender. So maybe he switches on to him, plus Carolina's playing bigger. With Kansas, they're not playing as big of lineup. so I feel like it's less likely that he's slide.

Starting point is 00:08:11 But Kansas switches. So there probably will be some possessions where they're matched up. But either way, it's two super, super exciting freshmen. What have you seen so far that's made Caleb Wilson so good through the exhibition season and the season opener? You're absolutely right, Derek. This is going to be phenomenal matchup between two of the very best who have already shown that capability, both in the exhibition season and in their first games this week. With Caleb Wilson, the thing that he has.

Starting point is 00:08:38 proven already is you kind of alluded to it there, but being such a strong two-way player, right? A lot of times when we think about elite five-star freshman, the automatic thought people just go to is, oh man, that dude must be a walking bucket. And Caleb can score, but that is not his sole calling card in each of Carolina's exhibition games. He had a double double in their opening night game, very efficient eight of ten from the field, but has a couple of locks does things athletically as you on the defensive end of the court and as somebody you know a lot of people say they want to be defenders derrick but a lot of people when the rubber meets the road it was just it was some nice things to say and then they're like all right go have a bucket I'll get it on the next like he's locked in

Starting point is 00:09:25 on the defensive end of the floor and and that is what I've seen that's so impressed me yes the scoring he's had 20 points every time he's put on a Carolina jersey so far in the two exhibitions and in their game on night of this week, but that also, man, he's so locked in defensively. And that's the thing that kind of sets him apart. And I'll also say he's got this gregarious personality where this is Seth Trembles team. You talked about him being back. He's the senior. But there's something about Caleb Wilson's just infectious personality off the floor that makes people want to come around him and be part of the Caleb Wilson experience. And I think that's it as well. He's fun off the court and he's a killer on it. And that makes it so fun. What about

Starting point is 00:10:08 How about Darren Peterson? What is setting him apart there in Lawrence, Kansas? He's just so polished, so poised, and it's crazy because, like, he's had to deal with some cramping stuff. So that is something that I'm watching into this game. Like, if that causes him to miss time, that could be a huge boon for Carolina in this one, because KU isn't as star-studded around Darren Peterson, as maybe we've seen some KU rosters in past years. But it's just the footwork, the ability to rise over guys and hit contested shots, the three-point shooting. the passing ability, the seamless athleticism. He's just everything that I could have met.

Starting point is 00:10:45 Honestly, like watching him has reminded me a lot of watching kind of like Tracy McGrady a little bit. Like I see a little bit of that in there. He's just a really smooth player, really, really fun to watch. So I'm really looking forward to these two guys. It would not surprise me if either one goes for 25, 30 points in this one. But there's other players that are going to play a big impact in this one. So let's get to that on the other side here on Lock,

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Starting point is 00:12:18 and that is deservedly so, the guys we want to see. But there's a lot of other interesting players in this one. Certainly for me, when I look at North Carolina, Henry Vsar, who was at Arizona last year, and we got to see against Kansas twice. One of the games really struggled. He only had five points. But in the second meeting with Kansas in the big 12th tournament, he killed Kansas, points. He's certainly somebody I'm keeping an eye on in that matchup with Flory Bedunga. Who's somebody that you kind of have your eyes on the spotlight in this one for Carolina to try to perform well. And if they're, you know, going to pull off this victory, or I think Ken Palm has him as a two point favorite. They're going to need,

Starting point is 00:12:55 you know, that player to play well. Great question. One of the, I think maybe the most intriguing as well, Derek, is I don't know how much Kansas fans have been tracking this. But for Carolina, it's been the only storyline, basically all summer that everyone's freaked out about. And that is the player from Montenegro named Luca Bogovats. This young man has been playing for multiple years professionally over in Montenegro and committed to Carolina back earlier in the summer. And it was delayed because of just all the red tape of getting a visa and getting to America. Once he did get here, then it's like, okay, now we got to get to.

Starting point is 00:13:35 NCAA clearance a couple weeks ago that happened and that had been reported to be the last hurdle as often as the case right like your NCAA cleared boom we're good to go well the day he was cleared by the NCAA he was like oh actually he's not fully cleared on the carolina side of things at a university like academics level yet and so that had been like everyone is stressing about that literally 30 minutes before carolina tipped off on monday night in their season opener it was announced that he was cleared and eligible and ready to go and would play on Monday night. Long term, he's going to be Carolina's starting three. Obviously, made sense he came off the bench in that game, but he was the first one off

Starting point is 00:14:19 the bench. I think he's somebody that I'm very curious to see how he does in this game. My expectation is that he will still come off the bench, at least for this one. And then Carolina has three buy games before they're MTE. So I think he starts after this game. Who do you think he starts for if you don't like? Sharon Stevenson. I think Carolina has been in their exhibitions and on Monday night.

Starting point is 00:14:44 They went to Joe 610, 610, 7 foot with Jaron Stevenson, Caleb Wilson, and Henry Vassar, who you mentioned. And so Bogobots, I expect to be at the three. This dude is a 40% three-point shooter. He's grizzled veteran. There's another guy named Luca that's really good at basketball, who you look at him. It's like, how are you beating me right now? of Bogovats is kind of the same way. He's not Uber athlete, but he's six five. He can knock it down. He can get into the lane. He can distribute. He's not going to turn it over a ton. And so I'm really

Starting point is 00:15:13 curious to see how that experience plays in in this game for somebody that hadn't got to play yet until Monday night. Derek, what about you on the KU side of things? Well, you bring up the jumbo lineup, and that's where I'm very, very, I guess, interested in this because, you know, what is his role going to be in terms of eating into that jumbo lineup because KU's not an overly big team. Anza literally has three bigs on the roster. That is it. It's Flory Bedunga,

Starting point is 00:15:40 who at times has gotten into foul trouble. It's Paul Mbia, who was one of the international players that came over as well. And he's got a 7-9 wingspan. Dude's gigantic, but he's a little raw. And then you have Bryson Tiller,

Starting point is 00:15:52 who Bryson Tiller was a former, like, you know, top 20, 25 recruit, reclassifies up, ends up, you know, joining the team last year, but he hasn't played until this year, a competitive basketball game in like a year and a half because of an injury.

Starting point is 00:16:06 Now he's back and he's looked really good in the early part of the season for KU. And we've seen a little bit here and there. So we've seen some Tiller at the five is the backup to Florey. We've seen some other lineups where it has been Tiller at the four next to Flory at the five. And that can work because Tiller actually, like we saw Tiller hit a corner three last game. He's a very mobile big. If you go back, there's a fun highlight in the Louisville game on the road where he gets it in the corner and attacks a close out and throws down a dunk off the dribble to like very skilled big man

Starting point is 00:16:34 in bryson tiller and to me he's kind of the player most interested in and it's funny because like we're both talking like you mentioned with with bogovats like i don't know maybe he plays if he's coming off the bench 15 minutes 20 minutes as he's trying to you know get ingrained with things with bryson tiller he might play 10 15 20 minutes but i just think he is k u's best solution if north carolina goes to the jumbo lineup because it's a situation right now where tray white who's six seven is playing the four four he's obviously big enough only like six eight but he's got like seven two wingspan so you know he's fine at the five and then it's like you're playing guards like melvin council who's like six three um Marco jackson who's like six three jane and dawson's like

Starting point is 00:17:13 six four col risario's like six four if they're going with the jumbo lineup i'm just like who's guarding you know six foot ten Caleb wilson is the three or jaren stevenson at the six foot ten at the four and so that's where i think tiller comes into play i do think you could see even some two big lineup where Paul and Bia is at the five with Florey at the four if they go to that jumbo lineup. But that's why Tiller to me becomes interesting because he is your most mobile and kind of versatile big and will unlock KU playing in that way. And I think he needs to have a big game because if Carolina goes to that, he is kind of their only solution they have in that regard. And that, it's funny you go to the front court, Derek, because when I talk about

Starting point is 00:17:51 things and have thought about it this week, it is the Flory Bedunga factor that worries me the most obviously darren peterson super concerned about that how do you guard him who do you put on him uh because it's either going to be a set thrembal who's giving up some inches or a jaron stevenson who's giving up some athleticism but with flory like like you look at carolina's jumbo lineup and yes there's the height but they don't have like the heft or the girth of of a florrie bedunga or a bryson tiller for that matter or a paulambia each of those guys is more well built than Henry Vassar at 225, or Caleb Wilson and Jaron Stevenson both at 215, right? And so I think even though Kansas gives up a little height, I'm, my concern is the Jayhawks' ability

Starting point is 00:18:39 to push Carolina around in the front court. And so if like my big take on it is this is a massive test for Henry Vassar. How can he match up with Flory Bedunga? And I got to be honest, I think whoever is able to get the better of that matchup might be the one that puts their team in position to win this game. So is that how North Carolina wins or is that how Kansas wins? We're getting to that next. This is locked on crossover. And today's episode of the show is brought to you by Fandualualual

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Starting point is 00:19:58 out. So Fandul, the official sports betting partner of the NBA and the locked on podcast network. Thanks for joining us on this locked on crossover, locked on tar heels with Isaac Shade. I'm Derek Johnson with locked on Jayhawks. So you kind of alluded to that, that center matchup being a very pivotal one between these two teams. So is that your answer? North Carolina wins this game if blank happens. I think that is certainly part of it, Derek. In terms of getting the better of that matchup, I think is critical for both teams getting an advantage.

Starting point is 00:20:34 But Carolina, to me, wins this game if they're able to keep it out of being an overly half-court game. One of the things that's true is that Kayan Evans, who comes over from Colorado State, was a great running mate with Neat Clifford last year. Folks, if you didn't get to see that Colorado State team in action, you missed out they were so fun and it was when kyan evans was a kansas city kid too kansas city kid that's exactly right exactly right which you know i'm here close as well i live

Starting point is 00:21:03 just two hours south in kansas city so i remember him from high school so i was super elated when he came to carolina um but it was when nico medved who's you know now in the big 10 inserted him into the starting lineup the colorado state took off this dude went like it's it's unheralded but let me just read you his line from carolina's opening game 15 points on five of eight shooting four of seven from the field six rebounds five assists four steals derrick johnson like that's your lead guard leading out the way what he's not always been is a traditional point guard and so what he what set trimble what luca bogovats need to be able to do is get that out in transition and run carolina scored 26 fast break points in their opening night game the other day

Starting point is 00:21:49 And it's because the defense was feeding that offense. They're able to get out and go. And so that's what I'm watching for, which would make this a super fun game, is getting up and down a lot of that. And then being able to, because it's not Elliott Cadeau as like, you're able to lock in and you know Carolina is going to function through him sharing the ball in RJ Davis scoring. Carolina had 23 assists on 33 made baskets the other night,

Starting point is 00:22:14 which is like one of the highest ever assist percentages in the Hubert Davis era. That's what I love to see, man, is the ball moving around and not sticking everybody being willing to share. So Carolina's ability for Kind Evans to be that dynamic lead guard, but everybody to take their role in sharing it in that way, I think is what really helps Carolina if they're able to win this game. And that transition play is super interesting to me because, you know, if Kansas does end up being undersized against the jumbo lineup, it's like you would think the counter is to win with speed. But then you think of North Carolina, whether it was with Roy or with Hubert or who. whoever like playing super fast and it's like are you playing into your hand into their hands if you do that so that is certainly interesting to hear that and you know from my perspective i think kansas wins this game if they are able to check kyan evans and set trimble the two kind of main backcourt guys

Starting point is 00:23:04 because i'll be super interested first of all to see who guards who for kansas melvin council is their i would say best perimeter defender from a guard perspective do you put them on the senior with set trimble or do you put them on to your point with how kion evans just played Do you try to disrupt him from a three-point shooting perspective? And this is where it becomes interesting to me. I don't know that Kansas has the guns to be able to keep up in a three-point shooting game. I think they can keep up in a certain sense in a transition game if it's running big men getting dunks running the floor, Darren Peterson running the floor.

Starting point is 00:23:38 And Peterson can keep up from three. But right now, Cole Rosario, who I think is eventually going to be a good three-point shooter, he's been a little lit off to a slow start, been a bit uncomfortable. well, Jaden Dawson, who is expected to come in and play big minutes and shoot a lot of threes. Like, that just hasn't worked out really yet so far, at least for KU. The three-point shooting is a question. And so if those two guys, obviously it could be more people like Bogovats off the

Starting point is 00:24:00 and stuff, for instance, but those are the two main ones, right? And so for Kansas, can you kind of cut the head off the snake, so to speak, of those two shooting threes and kind of limiting their offense so that you can have kind of a more, I don't know, equal playing field from the three-point game from your guard position, just Peterson guard, Trimble, does Peterson guard? And that's going to be super interesting to me of how KU can kind of check them. Maybe we even see, because Peterson is, you know, six foot five with like a six, 10 wingspan.

Starting point is 00:24:28 Maybe we even see Cole Rosario guard, you know, Kai and Evans. And we end up seeing Melvin Council on Seth Trimble or vice versa. And then we see Peterson on, you know, potentially Bogovats if he's in at the three or Wilson, if he is in at the three, going back to kind of that potential matchup there. So that's kind of the big question for me. then yeah can you kind of match up with the jumbo lineup and then that's where tiller comes in so if tiller has a big game and i think the the other out in this one for really both of us of how you know either team wins the game is one of the freshmen just does like a superstar thing you know

Starting point is 00:25:01 like like if caleb wilson has 30 points and 12 rebounds it's hard for me not to say like okay caroline is probably not going to win the game and on the flip side like i feel like darren peterson's going to have a 40 point game here at some point he had 24 in the first half against louisville in the exhibition game and they had some cramp stuff in the second half he had uh whatever it was 21 points um in the opener but he only played 22 minutes against green bay so it's like if darren peterson comes in and scores 40 points i think kansas wins the game that way too yeah and it's interesting derrick because to your great point because of the exhibition games and because both teams played and and just with all due respect to oakland and to central arkansas overmatched teams in the first

Starting point is 00:25:42 game and so you know nobody from carolina played more than 25 minutes in that game i'm looking back at kansas because i can't remember yeah no same thing nobody played more than 26 minutes uh for for kansas and so i don't think we have a true feel for like what are these teams going to actually look like when they have to play a full game as will happen here in the regular season obviously kansas played a full game against louisville obviously carolina played a full game against b yu but it's just different man when when the game start counting and so i think that heightens the in some ways of like as you're saying electric things could happen and we don't even know what they're going to be at i mean you talked about caleb wilson the dude had seven dunks on opening

Starting point is 00:26:23 night i like what are we doing here you know and so it's those kind of things like what is what is the crazy unexpected thing that's going to i think that's more than jalen wilson had in his entire k u career and i don't even know that that's a joke that might actually be true that's incredible awesome man well Isaac where can you find all your great work yeah brother as you said earlier you can i'm most active social media wise on twitter at isaac shade shade has a see in it it's weird and dumb as derrick alluded to for you kansas fans i also host locked on college basketball we're coming at you with the national view on things five days a week i i live in joplin missouri for all you kansas folks so i'm down here in jahawks country as well rock chalk i can get with that

Starting point is 00:27:06 man like have so much respect for the kansas program every kansas fan i encounter gets it and understands and reveres the game at a high level and so that's what derrick i think you know one of my favorite things about this matchup too is it's two fan bases that get it and understand the game at a high level and that makes me so excited for it brother what about you for the carolina folks that want to hear more on the jahawk side where can they find your great work yeah it definitely feels like it's like kansas and carolina are more united and then it's like kentucky and duke are evil for the the blue blood side of things legitimately though yes yeah uh but yeah you can find me as well at d johnson radio on uh twitter there and again you can find any in all of our shows

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