Locked On Jayhawks - Daily Podcast On Kansas Jayhawks Football & Basketball - Noah Shelby Transfers Away from Kansas | Will Bill Self and the Jayhawks Fill His Spot?

Starting point is 00:00:00 On today's Locked on Jayhawks, Noah Shelby, the three point sharpshooter for KU is officially transferring out of the program. What does it mean for KU and Bill Self as there's still more work to be done with the offseason roster? You are Locked on Jayhawks, your daily podcast on the Kansas Jayhawks, part of the Locked on Podcast Network, your team every day. What's going on? Derek Johnson here. This is Locked On Jayhawks. Thanks for making it your first listen every day. And thank you

Starting point is 00:00:34 to every dayers catching each and every episode of the show. We are free and available anywhere you get podcasts, including on our YouTube page where you can like and subscribe to the show. And on today's edition of LOJ, we're talking Noah Shelby transferring away from the program from Kansas, kind of a late roster deletion, I guess, as opposed to addition for KU here. What does it mean for the team? Are they going to fill the roster spot? Is this the roster they're going to go

Starting point is 00:01:00 into it with 12 scholarship guys? What does it look like right now? If that is the case, we get into all that on today's episode of the show, plus a little bit on some of the latest news. Today's episode of the show is brought to you by Monarch Money before we get into any of that take control of your finances with Monarch Money use code locked on college at MonarchMoney.com for 50% off your first year with Monarch Money. Okay, we're gonna get into the Shelby stuff before we get into the latest news. I've

Starting point is 00:01:26 been out of town. I'm back into things now. And unfortunately, we didn't have this right when it happened. But you know, we'll talk about it now. So Noah Shelby has entered the transfer portal. He was a former walk on guard, who came to Kansas as a transfer last offseason. And now he is leaving Kansas and so Shelby came into the collegiate ranks is like a big, you know, high end three star like borderline top 100 recruit in the country. He goes to Vanderbilt his first

Starting point is 00:02:01 year playing for an SEC school as a scholarship player, he plays 14 games, nine minutes per game, 3.7 points per game on 31% from three on over three attempts per game as a freshman. So you know, the game he games he plays, he's you know, good decent spot minutes here and there. And then his second season, he transfers away to rice, where you would think, okay, transferring down, maybe he's in line for a lot more playing time ended up only playing 30 games, one star 12 minutes per game, 33% from three

Starting point is 00:02:29 four points per game, essentially for rice, not a particularly great team. So then he transfers to Kansas and somebody from McKinney, Texas originally, I believe, good friends with Ryland Griffin, and he comes on board with Ryland Griffin who transfers into the program. And Shelby comes in as a walk on looking to earn his way earn his scholarship in Kansas, you know full up on scholarships a season ago. Well the talk this offseason was that he was going to earn his scholarship and I think there was like social

Starting point is 00:02:53 media posts from his dad and him on social media there's a video of him like you know hitting some fun threes during some practice film that you saw and the idea was he was going to be you know on scholarship this year. Now I don't know if that's something that ended up not coming through. I don't know if that's something where with rev share coming into play, like was the money not where it needed to be? I don't know if that was going to happen or still was still wasn't regardless. He ends up transferring away now and leaves the program kind of later in the day.

Starting point is 00:03:27 Classic college sports on this one that there was that announcement earlier this offseason, like I'm coming back and then it ends up not happening. I mean, I couldn't tell you how many kids we've seen like from high school ranks be like, oh, I'm 100% committed. And then it's like decommitted like a month later. It's just it's crazy. It's crazy. But did you know, I do wonder if the addition of Cole Rosario like did that sort of push him out in a little bit of ways? I guess you can make the argument in terms of like, okay, what is Cole Rosario going to be directly in competition

Starting point is 00:04:00 though, Shelby yours Noah Shelby, was he going to be in direct competition with more of like like Jamari McDowell, for instance, right? Is there another tear break there possibly? Or does adding a player like Cole Rosario? Does that just add more, you know, uncertainty or another bit of competition to where you could be in terms of all that? And so you can understand why that would kind of be the case. But yeah, I do think I look at that like the Corazario one doesn't seem to be.

Starting point is 00:04:27 I mean, Corazario just arrived on campus like a few days ago, and then all of a sudden he's transferring a little bit after that. Like you can probably, I guess, read between the tea leaves or connect the dots a little bit on that one. I think the worst part of this for Kansas is it's one less decent three point shooter on the team like Shelby, you know, you're talking 32 and a half percent from three in his career. So you would look at that and go, what do you mean? He's this

Starting point is 00:04:50 great three point shooter? I don't know that you know, I think when you look at a guy who was basically a near top 100 recruit because of his shooting, and yes, you're talking 32 and a half percent in his first two years, but now he has a year off of improvement, we know players get better shooting the ball as they go on. The idea of him was always shooting potential. I think it would have been fair to assume that this year he's probably closer to, I don't know, maybe a 35 type of 35, 36 percent three point shooter type of play, right? And for a Kansas team that doesn't have a lot of those for sure

Starting point is 00:05:20 options on the team, even if Noah Shelby was not somebody that you were viewing that I was viewing as being part of the consistent rotation. It certainly didn't hurt to have that guy available off the end of the bench, you know, whether it was just to help you in practice with scout team is playing the opposing shooter on the other team or in that given situation where you need to bring on a three point shooter, you know, maybe you're looking to steal a bucket late in the half, right, you have 25 seconds on the clock, okay, dead ball, you get're looking to steal a bucket late in the half, right? You have 25 seconds on the

Starting point is 00:05:45 clock, okay, dead ball, you get an opportunity to make a substitution, you have the ball, you to take the final shot at the end of the first half. And it's like, Hey, we could use a three point shot, let's throw no Shelby in there, right in a situation like that, or like you need a three point lineup. At some point in the game, he represented one of the best three point shooters on the team. Peterson could end up being the best or one of the best three point shooters on the team Peterson could end up being the best or one of the best three point shooters on the team It's a bit of an unknown when it's a freshman right a Marco Jackson might be much improved there

Starting point is 00:06:10 He also shot in the mid 20 percents as a freshman. So like that's not a certainty at all, right? Cole Rosario that I think will be a pretty good three-point shooter, but what we've seen from him is streaky He's also freshmen. So like you go down the list Obviously Jayden Dawson is the one that feels the most proven from three point range. You don't know how many of those proven guys you kind of have there. Now, you can make the argument against it, though, and be like, well, if he wasn't going to be part of the

Starting point is 00:06:35 rotation, if he was going to be your 10th, 11th, 12th man, and he wasn't going to be getting consistent minutes anyway, you have to be on the floor, you have to be playing minutes to be able to even get a shot off to be even able to get a three point shot off. So does it really matter that much? You kind of take that that look both ways. We're sure it's like, it'd be nice to have it in case of emergency. But is that in case of emergency going to happen? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:06:59 And that's kind of the big question here. Like, was he even going to be part of the rotation? I think that's probably a little bit unlikely. he even going to be part of the rotation? I think that's probably a little bit unlikely. Was he going to be in a situation though, to possibly get spot minutes? I wouldn't have been expecting I mean, we did my minutes projection earlier this week, thank you, every day or so already caught it. And I didn't have them on there. But like, you know, it was their chance that his

Starting point is 00:07:21 three point shooting was just that much better than Jamari McDowell's for instance and You were talking about him, you know being your basically ninth or tenth man where it was spot minutes occasionally like yeah I think that was in the world of possibilities even if it wasn't something that I was Expecting and I guess if you look at it like him transferring I probably tells you that that was less likely in all likelihood But now this overall puts Kansas at 12 scholarship players, it probably tells you that that was less likely, in all likelihood. But now this overall puts Kansas at 12 scholarship players. Right, so

Starting point is 00:07:48 you're back down to 12. You just went up to 13. After you added Rosario and then be you have the potential to go up to 14. You're at 12. And I guess, um, who knows what's gonna happen with like the Jade and Nickens thing. So I guess theoretically, you could be at 13. But I don't think the expectation is going to be there. Regardless. Yeah, you look at the 12 scholarship players with the two open spots, they've basically got six guards, Darren Peterson, Melvin

Starting point is 00:08:15 Council Jr. Marco Jackson, Jaden Dawson, Jamar McDowell and Cole Rosario. We want to call Rosario or McDowell like guard wing type same with Dawson like that's fine, but that's six guards, right? You have three wings, I guess Trey white Corbin Allen more of a developmental guy, but I would view him as a wing and then Samiz Calderon And then you basically have three bigs Florida Padunga Bryson tiller and Paul and Bia so that's the I don't want to say the good part about this because it's never a good part a good thing when you lose transfer

Starting point is 00:08:46 especially later into the the offseason so to speak but like I guess the guard is a position where they have a lot of numbers they have a lot of bodies already right again having six of them how many of those guys are going to play right if we think Peterson, Council, Jackson, Dawson I think they're going to be in the rotation that's four guys There's no guarantee McDowell or Rosario are going to be in the rotation. I think Rosario could be somebody in the rotation. I think you will be

Starting point is 00:09:13 somebody in the rotation and whether it's spot minutes or consistently in the rotation, I think will be there. But the point being, I guess it's better to lose a guard than it is to lose another wing or a big because you're a little lighter on on those positions than you are with the guard. So that is kind of the good news here for Kansas that they're okay, they can cover up at that position a little bit better. So where does Kansas go from here? Do they even fill the spot to begin with? Does it impact anyone else on the team? And is it in any way good news about the current crop of guys and how they're performing in

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Starting point is 00:10:58 you podcast here you can find us on YouTube. Hit that subscriber button doesn't affect you much but let's get that thing to 4k for the start of football season. Okay, so is Kansas can even fill his spot? You know, I did an episode the other day. And obviously, this was planned beforehand. Like I said, I was out of town, I was on vacation. It could Kansas even add another person at this point in time? Should they still go for a gay to me? And thank you again, if

Starting point is 00:11:20 you already caught that one. Well, maybe that gets a little bit amplified. Maybe that gets a little bit ramped up after Noah Shelby leaves the program for Kansas. The big question for me is like, how much money was Noah Shelby set to make? Right? Was he set to make any rev share money? Was he set to make any NIL money? And it's hard to know because again, you're talking about somebody who like was a walk on turn scholarship player. But again, it's kind of a question, was he actually going to be turned scholarship player or is this part of him leaving to and then you get to a situation where it's like, okay, even if that player is making, you know, money, even if he is on scholarship, even if he is getting a little bit of an IEL or rev share, it's not going to be like $2 million, right? It's not going to be earth shattering earth changing money that is all of a sudden going to

Starting point is 00:12:11 free up a huge amount for Kansas to go out and spend elsewhere to use elsewhere, right? Clearly, Kansas was was limited to some extent to add one more before this happened. But what if that is the difference, right? Like, again, this is like a complete shot in that our complete guess. I have no idea what these guys are making on the lower end. I think it's almost easier sometimes to guess

Starting point is 00:12:35 what the higher end players are making because we sometimes get public figures on like an AJ DeBansa, and then we can at least like cross compare. Okay, well, this is what this guy should make if he's making that right. Or sometimes you hear this or that. Well, let's just say like, hypothetically, this is me just tossing completely random numbers. I have no idea what they had or have, I guess, potentially left over before Shelby

Starting point is 00:12:57 to even make another addition. Maybe it's zero. Right. Let's just say it was something like 400000. Right. Just to throw a random number out there. Let's say Shelby's getting in a hundred thousand two hundred thousand I don't know That would put you a five hundred six hundred thousand for one more spot Is that extra little bit enough to all the sudden get an egg a demir is that all the sudden a little bit more to? Get a creme conan or get somebody else that's in the portal

Starting point is 00:13:22 Probably not but it can't hurt and later we go in portal game, if you're getting some of these players who were like, yeah, you know what, I'm interested in coming to college if I'm international, or I'm a college player and I'm still in the transfer portal, nobody's picked me up. Okay, I got to lower my price tag. Or you're just a college player that's waiting on am I going to be eligible by the NCAA? But now these other schools because I've had to wait so long, are having to pass me by and pick somebody else. and now my Options are down now. My bidding is down, right?

Starting point is 00:13:47 Maybe that is the difference in being able to land a player at the end of the day so I think I'm kind of in a similar spot where it's like I Still don't know that I expect them to add another player But does this make it a little bit more likely that it could happen? I think you would have to say to some extent, yes. Is it 5% more likely? Is it 30% more likely? That's kind of the big question.

Starting point is 00:14:11 Probably closer to like the 5% to 10% more likely that it would happen. That is interesting. And then the other question to that would kind of come into like, okay, if they did add, if they do try to add another player at this point in time, what do they go for? Because after losing Noah Shelby, do you view it as, hey, we need another three point shooter? If you lose Noah

Starting point is 00:14:30 Shelby, do you view it as, hey, we need another guard, we need another shooting guard, because we want to fill what we lost there? And if that's the case, I don't know, maybe at that point, it is, you know, looking kind of what you can find in the transfer portal. The flip side to that is going back to the Jada Nick and stuff like could he be back in play? Could this open the opportunity for that to happen as more of a down the line on the roster kind of guard player that you could have on the team. But you know, I love me some egg a Demir. And if this does increase the potential of that happening, as I detailed

Starting point is 00:15:03 earlier, there's still six guards on this roster. And if you want to count Corbin Allen to that, it'd be seven. If you want to count the wings to that, it would be nine. You only have three big men. Go out and out of the big man with this, right? You're more dire, you're more desperate for that position than you are adding another guard. Now, if they decide not to fill it, if they decide,

Starting point is 00:15:22 okay, we're cool with the 12th scholarship players, right? We're cool with what our current roster has. We feel good about our, you know, starters, we feel good about our rotation, we feel good about our fringe rotation, our spot minute type of guys. And this isn't going to have a big enough effect on that. What impact does this have? Well, it is probably just more of a practice impact. At that point in time, it is probably just more of a practice impact at that point in time. It's probably more of just a conversation about, you know, having a good three point shooter in practice.

Starting point is 00:15:50 How does that affect the scouting board or make it easier or harder for you to win games moving forward? And I think the immediate follow up question to this is like, OK, does Noah Shelby leaving? Is that indicative at all from from him from his camp from you know, his party that he or his party, whatever, feels that the other KU guards that are in competition with him for the playing time that he was hoping for that he was looking for that he was trying to compete for that those guys are kind of taking it and running with it. Right? Is this a good sign that you know, because I don't think it would necessarily be a sign that like, Oh, is Darren Peterson doing well? Okay, well, I don't think

Starting point is 00:16:35 you know, if Darren Peterson is passing all tests and is a plus of the guy we think he's going to be, and is the hundredth percentile outcome of that. I don't think that's having a big impact on Noah Shelby deciding to stay or go. It's more so the guys that are in competition for probably the end of that rotation with him. So that would be looking at guys like Jamari McDowell, like if

Starting point is 00:16:57 Jamari McDowell is balling out in practice, that probably is an impact on Noah Shelby and where he sits in the depth chart. If Elmarco Jackson and Melvin Council and Jade and Dawson are all looking good, OK, that's a lot of guard minutes along with Darren Peterson that are going to get eaten up, where it's like, OK, where does Shelby kind of factor in? What about Cole Rosario? Does he look good already in the early returns

Starting point is 00:17:16 in the early days that he's been at Kansas? Because again, if Cole Rosario is looking really good and you have those four guards you feel good about that are going to be in the rotation, kind of bar none, with Peterson, Jackson, Council, and Dawson. And now you add a fifth with Rosario who's looking good. Again, you're kind of looking on the outs if you're Noah Shelby. So there is a chance that again, I hate to say this from a standpoint of like, you know, I don't want it to be twisted as like, oh, good riddance. No, that's of what I'm saying. But there is a world in which you could look at this and say, this is in a weird way, good news for Kansas, not that they're losing the player. Yeah, as I said earlier, you never want to lose a player, you never want to lose another possible

Starting point is 00:17:54 three point shooter off the bench. And whether that's something that helps you in practice, or just on the end of the roster, and in a specific situation here, there, it's more so the idea of if the reason he is leaving is because some of these other options are really emerging or really playing well or really living up to the hype or impressing the staff and he feels like it's going to be hard to get playing time against the way that those other guys are looking. That is a good thing for Kansas and what the rest of the roster could possibly be for KU. All right, we're going to finish up here some of the latest news around KU.

Starting point is 00:18:27 This is Lockdown Jayhawks. Thanks for joining us on this episode of LOJ. Derek Johnson here. Again, you can check out Lockdown College Football, all the media days going on over at Lockdown College Basketball for your second listen every day. And we're going to have a bonus episode coming at you on Friday talking about the KU football media day and kind of going over some of the big, I guess quotes and things that were said in regards to KU kind of rehashing if you missed any of that, what some of the big things that were said

Starting point is 00:18:56 about the Jayhawks over at media day where art so some of the latest news around KU, Paul and Bia seems like he's arriving and they have officially put him on the roster. He's going to be wearing number 34. He is listed on the KU roster, 611, 260 pounds. Now I like to joke around a lot that a lot of times these called rosters, this isn't just like a KU specific thing. This is everybody across the country likes to, you know, sometimes, I don't know, exaggerate on how just how like tall or big or in some cases, like the opposite of big, it's like they want to get the

Starting point is 00:19:31 player toned down on their weight or something like that. I don't think Kansas does it a ton. But like I think majority of colleges do if it's like I'm sure it's like, oh, if you measured and I don't even know, like, are you are you actually making the measure or like, how does this work? Whatever. But like if you're six foot, eleven and a quarter, most colleges are just going to be out. No, no. Give me seven feet tall. Just looks good. Right. Looks cool.

Starting point is 00:19:54 So sometimes you don't know this. Now, the thing about him is he does have like public measurements. Right. And so this stuff is very real. I was most interested with him because we already knew some of the public measurements on his height. We already knew some of the public measurements on his incredible wingspan. Right. What we didn't really know was the weight.

Starting point is 00:20:14 You look at some sites and it says like 220 and I don't think I ever believe some of those sites like that was probably an early youth. Maybe when he was like 17 or something, I don't know. You saw the ones that were heavier. You saw some like in between. Like that was probably an early youth. Maybe when he was like 17 or something. I don't know. You saw the ones that were heavier. You saw some like in between, I think some common ones had like 245. The fact that 260, I love that.

Starting point is 00:20:33 Right. You're talking about a guy now who has all the strength you could want with all the wingspan you could want. And if there's a matchup where Flory is, you know, as athletic and springy and incredible as Flory Badoonga is, if he, as athletic and springy and incredible as Florida is, if he's playing a player, though, I don't know why this name pops in my head when I think of this

Starting point is 00:20:54 archetype of center. But like Josh Smith, I don't know if you remember him. He was like UCLA, then Georgetown, I think Kansas played him when he was at Georgetown, like big dude of a center. And Flory is maybe struggling to keep him from backing him down in the post, a situation like that. Okay, it's nice to know you have him be that you can bring off the bench and be like, yeah, you ain't going through this dude. Oh, and he has a seven foot whatever it is seven seven foot eight, whichever, you know, measurement that you want to talk about for him wingspan that you have to go over to in addition to not being able to go through him and that combination of the weight strength that probably comes with that way. The wingspan that's going to make him a terrifying defender for opposing offenses attacking the paint against him be in college basketball. The other

Starting point is 00:21:33 bit of news Zeke Mayo is going to be joining Jayhawks TBT the basketball tournament team. That's really cool. I mentioned on a recent episode like I wondered if because they were a little lacking in the guard commitments. They had some, you know, fun, I think, garden or Ford and big men commits. But we saw Frank Mason go to Syracuse in which I've heard a number that he's getting twenty thousand dollars to go over there. And so you're like, OK, who are going to be the guards? And I kind of wondered if a guy like Zeke Mayo would make sense because he's in summer league right now.

Starting point is 00:22:07 He's a guy will I mean, if he gets on an NBA roster and balls out in summer league, that's awesome. And I hope that does happen. But if it doesn't happen, great opportunity for him to kickstart his pro career and be like a really good three point shooter in this event and give you some steady guard play that they kind of need in an event like this. So I thought that was cool that that would kind of be the case. The last thing I want to mention here is once again, wanted to

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