Locked On Jayhawks - Daily Podcast On Kansas Jayhawks Football & Basketball - Norm Roberts RETIRES - Chase Buford, Danny Manning and Names to Know for Bill Self's Coaching Search

Starting point is 00:00:00 Norm Roberts has retired. KU now has an opening in the assistant coach realm. Are they going to hire within? Could they go externally? Could it be a former Jayhawk? And could they use this opportunity to maybe groom the next Kansas head basketball coach? You are Locked on Jayhawks, your daily podcast on the Kansas Jayhawks. Part of the Locked on Podcast Network, your team every day. What is happening? Derek Johnson here with Locked On Jayhawks. Thanks for making it your first listen every day.

Starting point is 00:00:36 Thank you on all your every day. You're just tuning into each and every episode of the show. We're free and available on our YouTube page where you can like and subscribe to the show or anywhere that you get your podcast. And on today's edition of Locked on Jayhawks, we're breaking down Norm Roberts retiring one of the assistant coaches will who's been a mainstay on the sideline next to build self, it'll be a different face next to him on

Starting point is 00:00:57 the sidelines. So we'll get into a little bit on the coaching staff who could replace him. Would they dare go for a former Jayhawk? Would they dare go for somebody who maybe they can groom to be the head coach and waning down the road? We'll get to all those and if that doesn't make sense or doesn't make sense on today's episode, plus the latest news around the transfer portal and a little KU football as well on today's episode of Lockdown Jayhawks, which is brought to you by

Starting point is 00:01:23 FanDuel Sportsbook. And right now to customers, you get $200 in bonus bets when your first $5 wins with FanDuel. So Norm Roberts has retired from college basketball, and he had served 14 seasons as an assistant coach at Kansas, 37 total seasons of coaching for Norm Roberts. And he's a member of the assistant coach Hall of Fame. I think this is one of those things where at this point where KU is, it's probably good based on how these last couple of seasons have gone to kind of mix things up and get some new blood in

Starting point is 00:01:59 there. That's what the opportunity presents itself here. The Kansas is going to have some opportunity to yeah, get some some new voices in there, get some new voices in there, get some new blood in there. You know, mix things up a little bit and prevent things from getting stale from where they've been the past couple years. At the same point in time. I don't say that to like point a finger that oh yeah, you know, the struggles last year's because nor Roberts know that that's

Starting point is 00:02:20 not all what I'm saying. No Roberts has been a very successful assistant coach for this kids basketball team. And he has done he did an excellent job with KU. It's one of those things where it's it can be good from both directions, you know, and you celebrate the time that he had where he was very good in coaching KU, the kind of big men. He also was somebody who filled in for Bill self when Bill was, you know, either to spend it from the IRP self imposed, you know,

Starting point is 00:02:50 suspension stuff that that your Roberts was the only coach Kansas to a champions classic win. And then it was no Roberts having to coach Kansas with Bill Self having the the heart condition that caused him to coach Kansas in the big 12 tournament in which they won the first two games and lost the big 12 championship and coach coach in the NCAA tournament in 2023 in which they won the first two games and lost the big 12 championship and coach coach in the NCAA tournament in 2023 in which he did get you know tournament win under his belt for that close loss to Arkansas.

Starting point is 00:03:11 So he filled in in that way but also he was you know originally on the KU coaching staff in 0304 when self took over I think he he in self started together with like Oral Roberts back in the mid 90s. But eventually he got the head coaching job at St. John's and ended up being head coach there for six seasons. He ended up rejoining Kansas in the 2012 to 2013 season, and then was on the Kansas sideline from then on until you know, this past season. And like I said, I think he did an admiral job. I think

Starting point is 00:03:43 he did a very good job for KU as offering. I think at the same point in time, you now have an opportunity to have an opportunity essentially here for your kids. Now here's what Bill Self said, this is a bittersweet moment for you because Norm and I have been together since 1995. Norm has played a key role to our success

Starting point is 00:03:58 at all of the stops we've had together, especially here at Kansas, from recruiting to developing players, to scouting and his knowledge of the game, both on and off the court. Norm has been instrumental in what we have achieved. We won a lot of games together, especially here in Kansas from recruiting to developing players to scouting and his knowledge of the game both on and off the court. Norman's been instrumental in what we have achieved. We won a lot of games together, many conference titles, deep NCAA tournament rounds, final fours in the national championship.

Starting point is 00:04:12 We've had some unbelievable memories that will last our lifetimes. And you know, Norman Roberts, definitely somebody who has a very dry sense of humor, him and Curtis Townsend kind of two peas in a pod in that regard. And that I'm sure will be missed in the locker room for for KU kind of from there on. But here's what Norm Roberts said. He said, I want to thank everybody at the University of Kansas and from everywhere I've been lucky enough to coach. I've been fortunate that I've never worked a day in my life. Being able to coach at Kansas and be part of this program has been unbelievable. After 37 years as a coach, it is time for me to move on, enjoy my family, spend more time with my wife and sons.

Starting point is 00:04:45 The thing I'm going to remember most is the players and watching them grow, watch them succeed, and watching them fight through adversity and come back from that. And you'll hear if you go back through, especially some of the best, you know, senior day speeches of the Bill South era, I guess, so to speak, a lot of them, you know,

Starting point is 00:05:01 might mention Norm Roberts or bring him up in different ways and him being instrumental for, you know, them being there or to their everyday and the behind the scenes stuff of being there, you know, coach on the practice court and that, you know, Norman had a very big imprint on the success of Kansas during the Bill Salfera, to say the least here. Now, the result of all of this is that Kansas obviously has another opening in the assistant coach realm here.

Starting point is 00:05:34 And for Kansas, you know, it's one of those things where if like you look at the basketball roster, there's a bunch of guys listed as assistant coaches, but not all of them. I think there's like a rule on how many of them can be like sitting on the bench. I forget if it's three or four or what the rule is there. Basically, you have like your top assistants, your top two or three or whatever. And then you have other guys who are assistants who might be doing you know, things. It could

Starting point is 00:05:57 be a director of player personnel, it could be something as simple as like video scouting, right? There's a lot of different areas that you can help out with, you know, helping out with practice, whatever it is, right? But Norm was one of the main assistants, right? And so you look at it and Kansas obviously has, like I said, a lot of different people who are listed as assistants, but they weren't one of the main assistants on the bench or on the roster. And so you go to the roster, you see Curtis Townsend, Norm Roberts, Jeremy Case, Joe Dooley,

Starting point is 00:06:29 Chase Buford, Fred Kordelbaum was the director of basketball ops, Brendan Bichard, director of scouting, Doc Sadler is a senior advisor. I think you view it as okay, Curtis, Norm and Jeremy Case, like those were the top three guys, as being those like top assistants on the on the bench this year. So norm goes away. So is it just going to be an internal promotion? Could it be Joe Dooley? You know, somebody who has former head coaching experience and kind of a similar path with Norm Roberts being a guy who assistant coach with with Bill Self goes off has that coaching experience comes back after,

Starting point is 00:07:00 you know, getting let go at his previous school. Could it be Chase Buford? I think that's the guy that a lot of people would point to and the one that I would probably make the favorite at this point in time based on just the path of what you brought him along to possibly be. And being a guy who won a couple NBL titles in Australia and like, I think you won a title in the, I think at the time it was the D league and now it's obviously the G League that, you know, this guy with a lot of success as a coach, and you don't become just like a secondary assistant at Kansas to like not be able to

Starting point is 00:07:35 move up that line and have an opportunity to later, you know, be a head coach at college basketball and maybe turn into a head coach in the mid major. You know, if you have a good years in assistant this year, whatever it is, right? Or would he be groomed to be the next head coach of major, you know, if you have a good year's assistant this year, whatever it is, right? Or could he be groomed to be the next head coach of Kansas, you know, stuff like that, that it makes sense for that to possibly happen for him that, you know, to kind of move up into that role. But maybe you could go external for the higher, right? Maybe you could bring somebody in from outside to kind of slide into that role. Or if you do bring on Chase Buford, for instance,

Starting point is 00:08:04 then you slide somebody else into Chase Buford's role in that situation. Or if you do bring on Chase Buford, for instance, then you slide somebody else into Chase Buford's role in that situation. So there's a couple different avenues that you can kind of go down here for assistant coach. But there are some interesting names if we are just talking about former Jayhawks that could slide into this position. And I guess let's start right here. Do I think it makes sense for Kansas to hire someone now that they have this opening

Starting point is 00:08:27 that can be the next head coach? They can be a head coach in waiting, right? You see that at Creighton. They hired the, I think it was the High Point head coach to be their assistant coach and be their head coach in waiting, you know, following Greg McDermott. Or we've seen it before with kind of like Roy Williams and Hubert Davis.

Starting point is 00:08:43 And I don't know that that was officially head coach and waiting. I don't know. I feel like it was. But the writing was on the wall. Now, I go back to that coaching episode that we did and we went over stuff. And I think Bill Self wants Chris Beard to be an ex head coach. So that would mean that he probably doesn't want to groom someone. And honestly, like, I'm not really under the guise of like, you have to hire somebody with with KU blood. Bill Self didn't have KU blood and it worked out okay. Or you have to

Starting point is 00:09:10 hire somebody within you know I don't think you have to do that. Now if the best candidate possible happens to be those things then great sure right. But there have been a lot of teams that have done that and it hasn't totally worked out in their favor so that's not something I'm all in on but if you're going to go down that road, yeah, like I said, Buford does make a little bit of sense to kind of groom in that way based on the success he's had before. It seems like he's somebody who's analytically inclined. So I'd like to have that, you know, on the staff a little bit more. And yeah, maybe he can be somebody that, you know, can can draw that ire from the athletic department and stuff like that. What about Jacques Vaughn? You know, I don't

Starting point is 00:09:47 think jock Vaughn has a job right now. He just got done being the head coach of the Brooklyn Nets till 2024. He was in a city in Brooklyn since like 2016. He was also head coach of the Orlando Magic. Maybe he'd be on board with being like, Hey, I'll be an assistant for a couple years. And then I've always heard that the KU athletic, I mean, obviously, KU thinks highly of him, right? That he would have a shot at the job. I don't know that you get the job or that he'd have, you know, the top opportunity to, but he certainly have a shot at it. And so what better way to

Starting point is 00:10:18 introduce yourself if you think that's possible and get a guy who to get acclimated to the current way of how things go at the collegial level, then bring them on as an assistant. What about Aaron Miles? Now Miles does have a sitting job. He's an assistant coach with the New Orleans Pelicans. We really want to go from being an assistant coach at the NBA to being an assistant coach at college. I don't know. That one becomes a little bit more difficult for me to see. Like we've seen some guys, the Utah head coach now, BYU's head coach now, we're assistants in the NBA and they got head coaching jobs at power five level.

Starting point is 00:10:49 So like I'm with Aaron Myles, I'm like, would he really take that job? I feel like if anything, he's, you know, maybe waiting for a head coaching job in the NBA, or if he wants a head coaching job in college, I feel like that would be the next move. But you know, that would be a great hire if that could certainly happen.

Starting point is 00:11:04 And dare we say Frank Mason, who posted an eyeball emoji on Monday afternoon after seeing the opening. And he has kind of been very vocal, I would say on social media, that he would love to be a coach at Kansas. And maybe he would make sense if you are sliding up, you know, Chase Buford into that,

Starting point is 00:11:20 one of those main three assistant coaching roles. We've seen past players in this role before, Jeremy Case before he got promoted up to one of those main three assistant coaching roles. We've seen past players in this role before, Jeremy Case before he got promoted up to one of the main, you know, coaches Brett Ballard was a former player that was kind of not in those main three assistants, but was, you know, one of the further back assistants. Brady Morningstar is part of this. You know, if Frank Mason wants to do that

Starting point is 00:11:39 and try to earn his way up to coaching ranks, I think that totally makes sense too. So some interesting ones you could go to in-house. What about if you went out of house necessarily? And also, I don't know, I think there's one that maybe this would be a little controversial. Danny Manning, let's discuss that next. Welcome back to Lockdown Jayhawks. This episode of the show is brought to you by FanDuel Sportsbook. The NBA playoffs are in full swing and every night delivers highlight-worthy performances, major momentum shifts, and can't-miss moments. Whether it's a game-winning shot or a breakout

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Starting point is 00:13:35 but then still leave an opening and further back that you'd have to backfill. There's going to be names out there that I'm sure that, you know, assistant coaching is one of those things where it's a little bit harder to be names out there that I'm sure that, you know, assistant coaching is one of those things where it's a little bit harder to find names out there, find a hot board necessarily, than it is with like head coaches. That coaches, you see the resume, it's like, oh, you went 25 and 10 at Southern Illinois or whatever it is, like with assistant coaches, it's there's so many names out there at so many schools, and

Starting point is 00:14:02 it's hard to tell what exactly is each assistant coach doing. This is something where I think I've led departments and had coaches have to have a better feel and a pulse on you know where they're being connected with with some of these different areas. But okay I teased Danny Manning there and you know I said I hated that I said it's controversial because Danny Manning is the most accomplished player in KU basketball history and when he was an assistant coach with Kansas, he did so well coaching the big man. The reason it's controversial is that he hasn't had the most success, I would say, as of late. But I think more so the lack of success with Danny Manning coaching is more about his head coaching than it is as an assistant coach. Again, you could say, okay, most recently,

Starting point is 00:14:45 he was with Colorado, who was bad this season. And before that, he was with Louisville, who was really bad the two seasons he was there. I mean, how much is the assistant coach changing the trajectory of a team when the head coach is not good and roster is not very good? I more so look at it and say, okay, when Danny Manning was an assistant coach, when he was coaching big men, do you think he could teach other big men something interesting? Because here's why I find it interesting. Nor Roberts was coaching the big men for Kansas. When Danny Manning left Kansas as an assistant, he was coaching big men. And, you know, it's one

Starting point is 00:15:18 of those chicken and the egg things where it's like, okay, Danny Manning had a lot of success coaching big men at Kansas. And it's one of those things where it's like, okay, Danny Manning had a lot of success coaching big men at Kansas. And it's one of those things where it's like, how much of that is him? How much of that is just that these dudes were NBA talents, Darrell Arthur and Cole Aldridge and the Morris twins and Thomas Robinson and Jeff Withy. I would like to think when you see the progression of some of those players, like what Darnell Jackson got better at as he went on, Sasha Kahn got better. I think Cole Aldridge got better. I think the Morris twins definitely got better.

Starting point is 00:15:48 I mean, they weren't, you know, top 30 recruits in the country. T Rob definitely got better. Even though those were future NBA players, they did get a lot better under Danny Manning. And so if Norm Roberts was coaching the bigs, I almost look at that and go, okay, you have a guy in Norm Roberts who again took that path, was an assistant for Bill Self for a while. Danny was that with Kansas, goes to be head coach somewhere else, ends up getting fired down the road, and eventually makes his way back to Kansas. And I look at Danny Manning and I say, yeah, okay, I don't want, you know, to get this twisted as, oh, Danny Manning, you know, should be the next head coach at Kansas. Like, I've always thought that stuff was crazy. Again, it doesn't have to be somebody with Kansas ties.

Starting point is 00:16:27 Bill Self was not, Roy Williams was not, and that stuff worked okay for Kansas. But do I think Danny Manning could be a good assistant coach who coaches the big men, which was the positional coach of Norm Roberts? Yes, I absolutely can. And it's hard for me not to look at Florid Budunga, who's this super raw prospect, but has all the athleticism in the world, has good shot blocking ability, has good rebounding ability and go, hey, don't you think a big man who knows what he's's a possible first round pick? And so I think Danny Manning would be a home run higher to fill in for Norm Roberts there

Starting point is 00:17:09 if that was the situation for KU. The other guy, his name, if you've been reading message boards or looking around the interwebs, I guess, like it seems like Mike Boynton has been a name that's been dropped a few times here or there. That one would be interesting to get a guy who was a former former head coach at Oklahoma State, was an assistant for a while. This past year, he was an assistant at Michigan. And I don't know what specifically positions he was coaching there. But he also wasn't a terrible... I think that's honestly the theme though. Noor Roberts didn't do a bad job at St. John's.

Starting point is 00:17:45 He was just like, oh, after six years, like he did, he was just, you know, fine, right? With Mike Boyden, that was kind of Oklahoma State and he kind of got screwed by the, I don't know, maybe not the COVID era. I don't know if they would have made it or not, but they were seventh in the big 12 that year. But like, you know, he ended up 21-15

Starting point is 00:18:04 and IT quarter finals, year one, he ended up 2115 and it quarter finals year one, his fourth year they go to the second round of the NCAA tournament, they got screwed by the NCAA honestly, in which kind of hurt them and, and, you know, making them ineligible for the postseason made another nity quarterfinals he was fine. But like, with Boynton, I think he also has ties with Brad Underwood, who Brad Underwood and Bill Suff I believe are tight. So maybe there's some connection down the grapevine there. And with Boynton, I always, when he was at Oklahoma State,

Starting point is 00:18:32 I always appreciated kind of the guy he was. So, you know, I'd be for that one too. He'd bring some newer blood in. I don't know enough about like, how has he been recruiting? How important has he been to Michigan in bringing in some of their different recruits and how important was he to Oklahoma State in bringing in some of their good recruits? Obviously people would want to point to Kate Cunningham. Didn't they hire like his dad or something like that? So I don't know if that one counts as like,

Starting point is 00:18:56 he was just an undeniable recruiter. Then again, isn't it mostly just about money now anyway, but point being Mike Boyden, I guess another name to watch. So if we see some other names to watch, we'll relay them here on Lockdown Jayhawks. What is some of the other latest news though going on around KU football, the transfer portal, some Jeff Long news? What? Former KUAD. We'll get to all that next on Lockdown Jayhawks. Today's episode of the show is brought to you by Upwork.

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Starting point is 00:20:31 Certainly would have been a big snap count player for KU and gave a big ceiling to the tight end position for KU this season. Well, he entered the transfer portal kind of last minute and that was probably the toughest loss the KUs had to deal with in the transfer portal from the spring portal. If you go back to the winter does it count because then it's just a zero sum game but it would probably either be

Starting point is 00:20:51 him or you know DJ Warner I don't know maybe somebody I'm forgetting right now but he ends up going back to Arizona where he initially left so I don't know if it's is it homesickness right he's originally from Southern California I don't know but he ends up back in Arizona, so that's unfortunate for KU. We'll see again still if if this lane the game are able to scramble and find another tight end to kind of replace him.

Starting point is 00:21:13 Because right now you're going to be counting on some guys that you know, maybe weren't going to be planned by the coaching staff to be thrown in the fire just yet, but you know, they're going to have to be thrown in the fire if if nothing changes if nobody's at it at this point in time. And you know, sometimes that stuff can be a blessing in disguise, because maybe you get a young player who ends up the opportunity presents itself and

Starting point is 00:21:36 they show out and then you feel like you have a young player who turns into something and this was kind of starved that and that'll be the hope for KU. Also in college football news, Jeff Long. Yes, former KU athletic director Jeff Long, known for the most popular quote in what regard, and known for, I don't know, Snoop Dogg things and funeral stuff. If you know that one, you know that one and all sorts of stuff. Yeah, basically just, you know, not a great time for KU athletics.

Starting point is 00:22:07 Anyway, with Jeff Long, he is rejoining the college football playoff committee. He was like originally on it when he was like the ad at Arkansas. So this is another go around for him that he's a little bit familiar with it. And I don't know, man, I just, to me, the college football playoff committee already has, you know, certain faults and flaws. And now they have more, I guess, is what I would say about that. Some basketball stuff to get to as well. Florida is no longer pursuing Desmond Claude. Neither is Kentucky. And

Starting point is 00:22:41 so Claude, they look like sides are pointing to Florida, which makes you wonder, did Florida back off because the price is too much? Are these teams backing off because the demands are too much? Like, is he asking to be the primary point guard at these schools, which is kind of what he played at USC, but before that was more of wing. And some of these schools are like, no, we view you more as a wing. And he's like, no, I want to play point guard. Or is it a money thing? Or is it, I guess, I don't know what it would be besides those. But the fact that like, Florida and Kentucky, Florida just won the national championship. Kentucky made the sweet 16 on a like brand new, legitimately

Starting point is 00:23:19 fully brand new roster where Mark Poke did an excellent job working the transfer portal. If these teams are being like, Hey, we're not really interested in if it's a money thing, that's a different conversation. But if it is about fit or like, you know, some sort of conversation or what he wants, not lining up with other things, it probably would take him out of the run. You know, it doesn't seem like Kansas is really going full court press on him. Anyway, seems like Damae Saar, which apparently the right way to pronounce it is Damae, by the way, seems like Dame Sarr, which apparently the right way to pronounce it is Dame, by the way,

Starting point is 00:23:46 seems like him and Darian Williams and RJ Land, all these guys are higher up on the list anyway, but that certainly gets paused that on one hand, it's like, oh, he's more available and maybe the more teams come out, maybe the price goes down and maybe it's a more doable thing. On the other end of things, it's kind of like,

Starting point is 00:24:03 if some of these other good schools have worked well at the portal, maybe that should be a hint to, you know, maybe there's more there than you might think. And then the other piece here is a junior college player who is the Marion van Kelly, he is generating interest from many different schools, according to Revo recruit, Ole Miss, Virginia Tech, Texas A&M, Maryland, Missouri, Nebraska, South Florida, Kansas, and many more. A very good three-point shooter at the Juco level.

Starting point is 00:24:31 I think he was only a freshman, so that gives you possibly three years left to play. And as you're looking to fill out the roster for Kansas, what are you looking for? Developmental players and or three-point shooters. And he would kind of knock both of those, give you the opportunity to provide both of those things. And maybe the fact that he has played at least, you know, year of Juco ball, makes him a little bit more ready.

Starting point is 00:24:50 Maybe he could be, you know, that Jalen Coleman lands role at the back end of the rotation, if all kind of works out right away, or worst case, these, you know, at the end of the bench, and just gives you another shooter that's nice to have and fill out the practice squad and the rotation and the depth and anything like that. And, you know, gives you three more that's nice to have and fill out the practice squad and the rotation and the depth and anything like that. And, you know, gives you three more years, possibly four if you read to him of play.

Starting point is 00:25:10 I doubt that's, you know, his goal necessarily, but I don't know. Maybe one to watch that maybe we'll get a little bit more into on a future episode. That'll do it though for this episode of Locked on Jayhawks. You can find our show anywhere you get your podcasts, including on our YouTube page. Make sure to like and subscribe to the show. See you next time with LOJ.

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