Locked On Jayhawks - Daily Podcast On Kansas Jayhawks Football & Basketball - What We Learned From Kansas Jayhawks Football in Their 2023 Season + Transfer Portal Update

Episode Date: January 2, 2024

2023 Kansas Jayhawks football season recap including what we most learned from the season about Brian Borland's defense, Jalon Daniels injury status, KU as a program under Lance Leipold and more. Biggest player stocks rising like Jason Bean, Marvin Grant, Austin Booker and more. An ode to the 2023 season with nine incredibly fun wins for the 'Hawks. Plus, the latest in the transfer portal for KU and what they could add, including an offer to a North Dakota State DT.Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDON for $20 off your first purchase.FanDuelScore early this NFL season with FanDuel, America’s Number One Sportsbook! Right now, NEW customers get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in BONUS BETS with any winning FIVE DOLLAR MONEYLINE BET! That’s A HUNDRED AND FIFTY BUCKS – if your team wins! Visit FanDuel.com/LOCKEDON to get started.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On today's Locked on Jayhawks, we do a full season recap. What we learned from this season of KU footballs. We're officially a week after KU football's bowl result and 9-4 finish. What we learned the most. Biggest player glow-ups for KU. An ode to the fun season. And we'll finish up with the latest in the transfer portal for KU football. You are Locked on Jayhawks.

Your daily podcast on the Kansas Jayhawks, part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. I'm Derek Johnson. You can hear me Monday through Friday as well on Rock Chalk Sports Talk, anywhere that you listen to the radio in the Lawrence area on KLWN or KLWN.com. Thanks for making Locked on Jayhawks your first listen every day.

We are free and available anywhere that you get your podcasts. And on today's edition of Locked on Jayhawks, which you can also find on our YouTube page, where you can like and subscribe to the show, we're going to be recapping the KU football 2023 season, what we learned headed into 2024 and about this program overall. We'll get to the biggest player glow-ups

from the season. We will get to an ode to the season and the latest Transfer Portal targets or Transfer Portal, I guess, discussion for KU football. First, this episode of Locked on Jayhawks is brought to you by FanDuel Sportsbook. Make every moment more. Right now, new customers get $150 in bonus bets with any winning $5 Moneyline bet.

That's $150 back if your team wins. Visit FanDuel.com slash Locked on to get started. So the biggest things we learned from this season, obviously a very successful season for KU in the end. They go 9-4 to begin with. You win six games last year. I think the talk this year was, you know, obviously the over-under was, what, 6.5, 7, something like that.

Could you get to at least seven wins, guarantee a winning season? If you win a bowl game, that's even better, but go to back-to-back bowl games. And there was still some hesitation that, oh, man, but now the schedule is going to be tougher and this and that. I was adamant the whole way through that I thought they'd win seven or eight games. They ended up winning eight in the regular season and even exceeding my expectations because they very easily could have won nine or 10 or maybe even 11 games.

When you look at those three kind of coin flip games with Oklahoma State, Kansas State and the Texas Tech game. Now, in theory, you're usually not going to have years where you win every single coin flip game. Eventually one's going to go against you. So maybe you say, oh, they should have won at least one of the three or maybe two of the three, right? But still, there was a very clear avenue for them winning

even more than the eight games. It wasn't like they happened to win eight games and they stumbled into winning eight games. No, like there's real progress. And with some of the players coming back, that makes you think they can win even more next year. But overall, resounding success of the season as it has been every year so far in the

Lance Leipold era. I think one of the biggest things that we learned about this team is the KU really is not that far off from the top of the league, and that goes back in line with, okay, you went eight and four in the regular season, nine and four at the bowl game, and yeah, you were so close to maybe playing for a Big 12 title because if the Oklahoma State game goes differently, if the ref calls the offsides or you don't have the red zone interception or your offense just doesn't kind of go in a funk over the last, I don't know, like quarter of the game, maybe then you're sitting in the Big 12 title game or if you win that one in Texas Tech, if Jason Bean stays healthy for the Texas Tech games and you have him for the Tech and Kansas State games, Maybe you're playing in the Big 12 title, right?

You're not that far off from the league, and you look at who was in the Big 12 title game. Like, maybe you were a little further off from Texas. You're just playing in a playoff game. You obviously would have liked to see what it would have been like had you had a healthy Jalen Daniels for that game, or if you would have had just Jason Bean with a full week of prep. You know, would the game have been closer?

Would you have competed more? Would it have been 40-28 instead, right? You're looking at the game differently. Who knows? But you did know you, you almost beat Oklahoma state and that was on the road in a game where some weird things happened and you had some bad turnovers go your way or go against you. I guess you beat Oklahoma, who was one of the other teams in line for contending for the big 12 title. You wanted Iowa state who finished up there in the Big 12 standings, and you almost beat Kansas State, who also finished up there in the Big 12 standings. So everyone who was up at the top of the Big 12 standings that you played, you didn't play

West Virginia, you either competed with or beat, right? And you very easily could have beat with the exception of really Texas. So it shows, and now Texas and Oklahoma are gone, so you don't even have to worry about Texas there. Now, obviously, Utah and Arizona are going to come in with high expectations. Arizona, really good team, beat Oklahoma. They might finish top 10 this year. Utah is going to have Cam Rising back.

They'll probably be a preseason top 20 team next year. You know, there's still going to be good teams in the Big 12, and you look all the way through. Point is, though, there's nobody that you should feel like you go into in the week and be like, there's no way we can win that game. And that's not all that dissimilar from this year, there's nobody that you should feel like you go into in the week and be like, there's no way we can win that game. And that's not all that dissimilar from this year, but we really saw the proof of why this season, you know,

last year you look at it and there were still a couple of games where, yeah, you still lose by like three scores to K state. You still get blown out to Texas. That didn't really happen this year with the exception of the Texas game, but even that was a game midway through the third quarter, even despite all of those things that happened against your quarterback position. Something else we learned this year, the Jalen Daniels injury stuff is just a thing. This is kind of an unfortunate takeaway that we have from the year. But you go back to his freshman year when he was just 17 years old in 2020. He ends up coming the starter early in the season, ends up getting injured later in the year. And that offensive line

was like the worst in the entire country that year. He was getting sacked and taking all sorts of hits that it would make sense you would get injured, but it did happen. Then you go to 2021, and in fall camp, I think he suffered some sort of injury that disallowed him from showing himself off. And at that point in time, in fall camp, because the coaching staff arrived at the end of the spring game, the first time they saw those guys playing live reps in front of them

or throwing live reps in front of them was in fall camp. And so Jalen Daniels being injured and missing a couple of weeks of fall camp was part of the reason Jason Bean was starter. Who knows? Jason Bean might've been the starter anyway, even if he was playing all through at that point in time. But then that injury prevents him from being the starter in the first nine games of the season. Obviously, he ends up being the starter. Then, obviously, we know the injury in the TCU game. They kept him out for a little bit with the shoulder injury

and then the injury that he suffered this year, the back injury that was kind of up and down all throughout, whether it was fall camp or into the season. So there's been injury stuff each and every season for Jalen Adles. It's unfortunate. He is an unbelievable talent, an unbelievable player, unbelievable kid, too. I love the character of him and the leadership that he shows. I am a gigantic Jalen Daniels fan, but it is unfortunate that some of the injury stuff has

happened and it's nothing he can control. It's something that just kind of sucks that he's had to deal with. And you hope that you can just lightning, I don't know, kind of strikes or whatever for this year that he has one healthy season. That's all you're looking for. That's all he's looking for, right? Because then he can go off to the NFL and have his sort of career that he wants to have. So the injury stuff, though, to this point has just been a thing.

And that trend certainly shows that you feel like you go into this year. And I almost view it as like, don't expect Jalen Daniels to start all 12 games in 2024. An ideal number, if you can get like nine, nine starts and view the other three where you're like, okay, can you piece it together with maybe Isaiah Marshall or Cole Ballard? The other big takeaway from this, Brian Borland is the guy for the job. I said this going into last year that he undeservedly took too much heat for where the defense was because you saw the way the offense was playing and that it was one of the best offenses in the country even last year in just year two and it was easy to see the defense which finished I think last year so 2021 they gave up 42 points per game that

was like bottom three in the country 2022 they give up 35 points per game so it was better but that still was like 124th in the country so it's still like like bottom 10 in the country. And you see that compared to the offense. And it was like, okay, what's going on here? What is this guy's deal? You know, is he on the hot seat or anything like that? And I kind of said like, well, I don't know, man, the offense, the cupboard was a lot more full than it was for Brian Moore. Like you look at what Andy Kotelicki inherited,

like Jalen Daniels was recruited by Brent Dearman. Devin Neal was recruited by the Miles staff. He, you know, obviously he stayed committed and these players stayed and didn't transfer when the new staff came in. So they did have to, you know, recruit them from that standpoint of keeping them on board. But like a lot of these players, you know, Lawrence Arnold's recruited by like Emmett Jones and brought him from that area. Like Luke Graham was recruited by the previous staff.

So like you look across the board and yeah, there were some certain players they brought in or groomed, whether it was like Mike Novitski transferring and yeah, there were some certain players they brought in or groomed, whether it was like Mike Novitski transferring in or, you know, Quentin Skinner broke out under this staff and stuff. So it's not take away from that. And obviously this staff made the current players that were previously recruited even better. They, they put them in the right scenarios. They put them in the right spots. They had the right schemes for them, right? I'm not trying to take away from that, but there were a lot more, there was a lot more talent there than there was provided on the defensive side of the ball that was brought in.

When you look at how much they had to shape with the defensive line and the linebacker positions just by bringing in transfers, bringing in Craig Young, right? So it was just always a process. And now you saw that big step forward this year. I'm excited to see what that can be next year. I think Brian Borland's a good defensive coordinator, and I think it just took a little bit of having the right personnel to get to know that. The last thing I have here for kind of what we learned from this season from a team-wide or program-wide perspective,

this staff is known for development, and that's clearly something I think they're going to continue to excel at. But that doesn't mean they can't still hit their ABCs. If you don't know what the ABCs are in college sports, always be recruiting, always be recruiting, basically. So it's something where, you know, you look at some of the recruiting ranks at Buffalo and they were always, you know, toward the end, but I don't think it really mattered. Like realistically, if you're ranked 120th in the country in recruiting rankings versus being ranked 90th, is there that big of a difference when you're like a max school?

It's all just going to come down to player development. You know, I've kind of said that even about KU. Is there that big of a difference if you're ranked 65th versus if you're ranked 55th? Probably not. It's just going to come down to development. There is a difference, though, when you're bringing in a bunch of four-star kids. There is a big difference when you're bringing in a bunch of kids that we don't see Kansas normally be able to get out to. And that's what they're doing.

They're doing an unbelievable job at recruiting, which is really exciting for as great as these few years have been for KU football. Makes you even more excited possibly for the future in about a handful of years when some of the current guys they have come in in these last couple of classes start impacting things when they add their development with the recruiting level that they've kind of been at compared to past KU years. It'll be pretty special here in about a handful of years in the new years of the Big 12. We're going to get on to the biggest player glow-ups from the season and an ode to the

2023 season for KU football, plus the latest transfer portal targets for KU football on this edition of Locked on J-Hawks. First, we are brought to you by FanDuel Sportsbook. The NFL season is wrapping up for the regular season, but there's still going to be postseason action. There's still basketball going on, and there's still no better time to get in on the action with FanDuel, America's number one sportsbook.

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So these are players that I think had the most, gained the most over the course of this past season. So like, for instance, you know, Kobe Bryant had a great season he was first team all big 12 but he was first team all big 12 the year before we knew he was a stud we knew he was a star before right that didn't change um when you look at Devin Neal like Devin Neal yes Devin Neal technically had an even better season in 2023 than he did in 2022 he had more yards he was still all conference but we knew Devin Neal was a stud before right so these are players who had the biggest glow-ups. I think Jason Bean is the first, right? Jason Bean was kind of a, I don't know, controversial quarterback figure in

that people knew he was still a successful quarterback by KU standards. And he got KU bowl eligible last year with the win over Oklahoma State. He had some ups and downs, some big games, some bad games, some big moments, some bad moments. And then it obviously ended with the bowl game where he throws the ball overthrown against Arkansas. And to be, I don't know, maybe this is easier to say looking back because KU has won a bowl game now this year and won nine games and everything. Honestly, even if Jason Bean completes that pass, are you confident at all the way that one was going that Arkansas is going to ever be stopped on a two-point conversion? They could have just ran a halfback dive every play and gotten it. But anyway, that's another here and there. We don't need to open fresh wounds. But anyway, so you go into that and it's

like, okay, is Jason Meaden going to come back? Is he not? The staff convinces him to come back and he has an unbelievable season. Goes down in one of the, I don't know, 10 best quarterback seasons by a KU quarterback, even doing so in limited time, wins a bowl game, gets a lot of wins. I mean, I thought that KU could have gotten to eight wins in the regular season, like I said earlier, but I definitely thought it had to take Jalen Danos. I thought if it was Jason Bean, maybe you're closer to a six-win team. And I was completely wrong there, and I am so happy for him

and what he did. He had an awesome season, finished in the top 15 in the country in total QBR, finished ahead of Caleb Williams, like unbelievable season for Jason Bean, man. Huge glow up for him. Michael Ford, I think, gets a huge glow up. This one may be more on the down low because it's an offensive lineman. People don't watch it as much, but Michael Ford had one of the best guard seasons of any guard in the entire Big 12. And when you think about Dominic Pooney, who I think was KU's best offensive lineman, Mike Nowitzki, who was maybe their most noteworthy offensive lineman in playing that cerebral center

position, there's not as much attention that went to Michael Ford, but he was the guy filling in for Nowitzki in spring ball when he was injured and playing the center spot. He played all over the line, mostly the guard spot, and he had an excellent season. I think huge glow up for Michael Ford that I go into this year and I'm like, yeah, he could be an all conference level player for you. Austin Booker had a huge glow up. Obviously this one doesn't finish on a high note with him leaving KU now, but you go from being a player who wasn't really playing at Minnesota at all in two years to then coming to Kansas. Even in the off season, it was like, okay, this guy could be a good rotational D end for you. Maybe he starts, maybe he doesn't. And then we get close to the first game and it was like, okay, this guy could be a good rotational D end for you. Maybe he starts,

maybe he doesn't. And then we get close to the first game and it's like, okay, maybe it's him or Hayden Hatcher. Hayden Hatcher starts the first game. He doesn't even start the first game, but you see the passer right away. The first game, you see the jump, you see the speed on the outside. And he ends up having an unbelievable season. One of the best sack artists and pass rushers in the big 12 and in the country to go from that for me and a guy that we didn't know you know how much was he going to play was he just going to be a guy who gives you 10 snaps a game 20 snaps a game as a rotational dn and comes in and pass our situations to turn into one of your best and most valuable players overall was uh pretty incredible there mellow

dots and i think gets one now mellow this one isn't maybe as much of a glow up as like Mello was already a starter and he was already, I think a fine player for you, but you look at some of the target numbers or the completion percentage against some of the coverage grades against, and it wasn't always the most efficient, even though Mello was getting a lot of time. This year, he took the step where he took another level of efficiency. He started getting a bunch of interceptions, had that run where he had a couple of big pick sixes there. So he went from being, I think, basically a, I don't know, like a guy who was good enough to be a starter in the Big 12 for you for the past previous couple seasons to then being one who was an all-conference and even like on one publication, all-American level player. I think there was a big jump for his level of play this season, which was really cool to see. And I'm excited to see if he can take another one in 2024. And then the last one I have here is Marvin Grant. This was somebody we heard about in the off season that was really

starting to take things more serious from film study and the extra preparation that you do behind the scenes that he was, he was never, I guess, bad at it, but he went from being someone who was more of just your normal player and what they're doing to being somebody who was going over the top with it. That was always coming in for film study and extra work. And I think you saw that on the field because we knew he was a thumper. He was a hard hitting safety when you brought him in from Purdue and you saw that in 2022, he would come in and be a good box safety. But this year he took another step in coverage. He took another step in his overall game. And there were a lot of times this year where he was KU's best safety. And I think he can be an all-big 12 player next year because

of the type of season he had this year and then another year at the fold for next year. But overall, when I think back to this season, what an unbelievable year. 2021, specifically the end of the year, was kind of laying the foundation. I've made this analogy before. I thought 2022 was the foundation being built and 2023 was the foundation being finished. And now you're starting to add to the rest of the building, the rest of the house. The hope is that 2023 is the continuance of the arrow pointed up for KU and that this is just the beginning of widespread success, it's entirely possible that, you know, 2023 does end up being more of a destination, right? As much as we see them win nine games and could have all these players back, even with

ones that are leaving, but Kobe Bryant and Mello Dotson back and Jalen Daniels back and some of these guys that they're going to have back for 2024. You know, we saw it with Iowa State, who is another team who kind of like Kansas came up from being a program that was struggling and do all these sorts of things. And Iowa State ended up going to the Big 12 title game in the COVID year. They played in the Fiesta Bowl, won the Fiesta Bowl over Oregon, and they brought all the guys back. And the thought was, OK, Iowa State is going to be a top 10 good, top 15 good college football

playoff dark horse in the 2020 or their following season and they ended up winning like i think seven i think they went like seven and five and lost to notre dame or something in a bowl game so it doesn't always guarantee a jump up and that's something to watch out for this next year it is possible this is more of a destination or peak type of season but i don't get that feeling it feels like you really are trending in the right direction that momentum is headed your way that this was the start of something special. But either way, this season means a lot to the program, to the university, to the city of Lawrence. And boy, was it a fun one, fun one to watch, fun one to cover, fun one to talk about. From capturing a top 10 win over

Oklahoma, to dealing with quarterback injuries to the amazing highlights and plays and catches and pick sixes all the way through, this was the most fun KU football season that I have ever had. I mean, I started really, I don't know, I came to KU in whatever, 2012, 2013, something like that. And from then on, I mean, it's by far, you know, the number one as that goes. Obviously for older heads, you'll have past seasons that maybe rival this one or better than this one,

but unbelievably fun season, I think above all else. We're going to finish up latest transfer portal stuff for KU football and who are some of their latest targets with this episode of Locked on Jayhawks. Let's get to our latest transfer portal talk for KU football and some of their latest targets, offers, and what specifically they're looking for right now with this episode. And don't forget, you can check out our piece from yesterday,

Kobe Bryant returning, Armage Reed Adams transferring away. So you can find that anywhere you get your podcasts or on our YouTube page. We'll have some KU basketball content later in the week with Locked on Jayhawks. So I think in general, now that Armage Reed Adams is transferred out, I think KU was already seemingly in on trying to bring in an offense

alignment. That was apparent from some of the offers that were out there. Now that Armage Reed Adams is gone, I feel like it would make sense that maybe they'd go after two guys, right? Because if you brought one in with the idea that one wasn't even going to be leaving in the get-go. So I wouldn't be surprised if it's two.

I think it would make sense if they brought in a center, at the very least an interior guy, because then you can either say, okay, you're bringing in a guard, moving Michael Ford to center, or you're going to have Ford move to guard. Or not move to guard, but stay at guard, I guess, and not have him play center. So those are kind of some of the options there you have. Maybe you bring in a tackle for more competition with, with you know, cable do slash Brown slash Clements on the tackle

spots, or maybe it's just more of like a swing man who can play guard or tackle if you need it, because you saw the ability of a Marjorie Adams to do that. And it was helpful for to use depth outside of that. I think, you know, you look at quarterback, I don't think they're going to be adding anyone there. I think you're comfortable with Marshall and Ballard as the backup there to Jalen. Running back spot again. Running back receiver, both spots that unless somebody were to transfer away, then I don't think they'd be adding someone in. You look at the defensive side of the football.

They were already going hard after defense linemen, both trying to bring in an interior guy. You lose Phillips and Gage Keys and an edge guy. They brought in Woodkey, but now that Austin Booker's gone, probably makes sense to bring in an interior guy. You lose Phillips and Gage Keys. And an edge guy, they brought in Woodkey, but now that Austin Booker's gone, probably makes sense to bring in another defensive end. Probably still makes sense to bring in one or two interior defensive linemen. You look at the linebacker spot, it would make sense to bring in a linebacker or maybe even two.

I guess it depends how confident they are in what Logan Brantley can give you next season, on what Jason Gilliam can give you at the Hawk position, on J.B. Brown taking another step forward, on Tywon Berryhill taking a big step forward next year. There are a lot of kind of moving parts that go into that. But now with the secondary with Kobe and Melo back, probably doesn't make sense to bring in any more secondary players

you already brought in, Devon Dye. So you're mostly looking at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball and the front seven on defense with linebacker and D-line. There's only one offer that I've kind of seen since the last time we did this about a week ago. Javier Derrett is a 6'2", 280-pound senior defensive tackle from North Dakota State. This is going to be his sixth year in college and his last one.

He redshirted and had a COVID year, so that's why he gets your sixth year. So experienced player, that's always good on the line of scrimmage. He had 31 tackles, 3.5 TFLs, 2.5 sacks, and over the last three years, he produced 80 tackles, 15 TFLs, and 10 sacks for, obviously, a North Dakota State team that is typically one of the best, if not the best, in FCS football. He had a 65.4 PFF grade with ratings of 65.9 in run defense, 59.4 in tackling, 64.8 in pass rush, and he's been between a 61.4 and a 69.7 overall in each of his first five

years. So he's been very consistent there. Essentially, if 60 to 69 is average, he's been an average starting level defensive tackle throughout his entire career who could bring in for you, whether it's to be a starter. You might not need a starting defense tackle. Maybe Tommy Dunn and DJ Withers are both ready to take that over. Maybe Caleb Taylor and Keenan Caldwell are good enough for you to feel like you have some good depth there too. Maybe you just need someone who can come in and be a depth piece for you.

But I think you would at least compete to be a starter, and maybe he could be a starter for you. I will say say we saw this with Devin Phillips. Devin Phillips never had like great PFF grades. They were in the sixties. And I think when you look at it, like PFF does grade things a little bit. I was talking to somebody about this, that they do use a bit of their college grades as they're preparing it for trying to figure out who are the best pros. And so they're going to give guys with flash plays a bigger boost than the guys who just consistently fill the gap every time. And so from that standpoint, like if you're doing your job and just being a good run block or run

stopping defense tackle is taking up multiple blockers. It's not going to be graded as high on PFF as somebody who you know isn't as good against the run but then is making flash plays and breaking through once and again because that's more indicative of the nfl so i do think this kid could be a little better than that pff grade shows just as i thought devin phillips was better than his pff grade showed and when you look at what ku asks their defensive tackles to do it is more about clogging the run and you know taking, taking up run blocks and everything and allowing the linebackers and defensive ends to kind of make those big plays. But he's originally from Missouri and went to St. Thomas Aquinas High School

in Kansas, so maybe that gives you a little bit of a local flair there. He does have offers from, like, Minnesota and Michigan State and USC. His former head coach at North Dakota State took the – I think it was the linebacker's job. It was one of the assistant coaching jobs at USC, his former head coach at North Dakota State, took the, I think it was the linebacker's job. It was one of the assistant coaching jobs at USC. So maybe that helps them with some sort of in there. Then again, maybe he views it as, hey, you left North Dakota State. Why would I go?

I don't know. Who knows? You never know the relationships there. But either way, I certainly want to keep an eye on and we'll keep you updated with any more names in future episodes of Locked on Jayhawks. You can find our show anywhere you get your podcasts, including on our YouTube page. Back tomorrow with a Big 12 basketball season preview to get ready as KU awaits TCU. We'll have that preview later in the week, too, with LOJ.