Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - American League West Roundtable: Could the Mariners Vie For the Division?

Episode Date: April 5, 2022

Locked On Mariners hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode are joined by Locked On Rangers host Brice Paterik, Locked On A's host Jason Burke and Locked On Astros host Brett Chancey to debate who will win the American League West, which team won the offseason, whose farm system ranks the highest and each team's best trade chip.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11 | @ByJasonB | @HTownWheelhouse | @BricePaterikFor more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/BetOnlineToday's Episode is brought to you by BetOnline. BetOnline has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Because the Mariners not only in the longest playoff throughout in major professional sports, but do so by shocking the Astros and winning the ALS. All that and more here on the American League West roundtable for Locked on MLB. Let's do this. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast, part of the Locked on Podcast Network, your team every day. Welcome to the American League West roundtable here on Locked on MLB. And thank you for making us your first listen of the day. We are free and available on all platforms.

My name is Tiding Gonzalez, host of the Lockdown Mariners podcast. To help me break down the AOS is Brett Chancy of Locked on Astros, Bryce Patrick, of Lockedon Rangers, Jason Burke of Lockedon A's, and my co-hosts on Lockdown Mariners, Colby Patnode on the show. We'll be debating which team will win the division, which of its five teams won the off season, and which one has the best farm system? plus who's the most valuable in season trade piece on each club. So let's get right down to the nitty gritty. Who do we think is walking away with the ALS crown this season? Brett, I'll start with you. Well, I would like to say that I believe the Astros are going to be walking away with it.

And that's not a home or take. I just offer the evidence that's given to me. Now, the AOS has become a more competitive division. And you've got the Mariners who put up a fight last year. And we really thought the Mariners were going to squeeze into the playoffs. They didn't make it in. And they have just really added some key pieces. You guys got some young studs.

And then the Angels, I mean, their players are healthy, but they don't have pitching. But the Rangers beefed up, too. The Rangers got a ton of offense. I think maybe some of their pitching. I think the Astros run away with it. But I think it's going to be a, it's not going to be a clear cut 10, 12 game lead at the end. I think there's going to be a. a few games separating first and second.

I think third and fourth, they're going to be close to second. And then, you know, it's just one of those races where Oakland, we're pulling for you to get some wins out there. But I really think the Astros, just with what they have, JV coming back, Jeremy Payne, this star rookie, their main players coming back, that it looks like they're poised to repeat an AOS championship. it. Colby, you and I have talked at nauseam about the Mariners potentially ending their 20-year

playoff drought, the longest playoff drought in major American sports. You and I have heard it. We have heard it as Mariner fans, as hosts of the lockdown Mariners podcast, as hosts of our own Patreon podcast, all this stuff. We've heard it forever and ever and ever on Mariners' Twitter. I think you and I are pretty much in the same boat, especially with playoff expansion, that this could be the year that they end the drought, but could they also compete for the AL West here?

I think they could compete. I would still pick Houston. I think Seattle is about a year away from seriously challenging Houston, but the gap is certainly closed, you know, between Houston and the rest of the American League West with the exception of Oakland, who went the other direction. So it's, I would say it's not likely that they're going to win the division, but I do think they can. One of the X factors here is that no team is in a better position to add significant pieces.

in the middle of the year, then the Seattle Mariners. They have the money that they can spend. They have a top-notch farm system. I think MLB Pipeline had it number two. Baseball America had it top three as well. Top one. Top one. Number one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the best farm system in baseball, according to some people. So the Mariners, if they can hang in there long enough to challenge Houston two, three games back in, you know, late June, early July. DePoto is not going to sit on his hands. He's going to go out there and try to make a move. but I do still think that Houston is the favorite right now. I think next year is kind of the year for Seattle to challenge for the division,

but I do think they are a solid playoff contender as we stand here today. Jason, the A's are trading everyone. And even today when we're recording Sunday, they traded Shamanai to the Padres. I'm going to assume your pick here is not the A's. So who are you going with for the ALS? I'll make a case for the A's all day. It's fine.

They're going to be a very intriguing. No, I'm not going to. They're going to be a very intriguing team. It's not going to be their year. Like the Astros and the Mariners, maybe the Angels, their games are day to day. The A's progression is going to be week to week, month, the month. That's what we're watching in the A.L. West, or just our season in general. So some of the guys that they're getting back, how are they performing?

So they're not going to be in the A.L. West race necessarily. But I'm rooting for the Mariners. I've always had a soft spot for the Mariners. I grew up watching King Griffey. So I'm hoping that it's them after battling Houston for so many years. But it's probably going to be Houston just because they're a good team. They lost Carlos Correa. Are they still good?

Ah, yeah, probably. And so I think that it's probably Houston. I'm rooting for the Mariners. I don't take the angel seriously until they prove that they should be taken seriously. And they haven't done that yet. So they've made good moves. They got Thor, but how many innings? Is he actually going to throw at 120?

Is that enough to put them over the top? No, it's not. So, yeah, it's fairly the Astros, but hoping for other teams. All right, Bryce. The Rangers, they added a, you know, a guy or two this offseason. You know, no big deal. They spent a little bit of money this off season. How are you feeling?

You think that's enough to push them into division contention? Or how are you feeling? First off, I'm feeling great. I mean, ever since I started this podcast in 2019, which was like the exact wrong. It was the first year without Adrian Beltray. It was the first year. I mean, they were kind of scrappy for the first half of that year. But for most of my time doing this podcast, the Rangers has just been bad.

Like just not just bad, but kind of miserable bad. There's not like, hasn't been very many fun spots. Last year, Adolas Garcia was fun. Joy Gallo was a lot of fun until he was traded. But like, they're at least, I would classify them as fun bad this year. Feisty, but they're fighting for 500. They are not going to contend for the division. But I'm going to pick the Mariners to win this division.

I think the pieces that they added are legit. Their farm system, well, I don't think it's as deep as the Rangers. Their top guys are some of the best prospects in all of baseball. And they are going to be stars. They're going to be pains in our butts for the next five, 10 years in Seattle. And I think those guys, Julio is just absolutely legit. And I think they're going to add a couple of pieces. They obviously just added a Cy Young winner.

And they're a young, scrappy team. There's like not really a big weak spot on that team right now. Everybody's at least solid pretty much all around the board. I mean, the starting pitching, I think, could be a little better, and I think they will upgrade that eventually. But like, they've got so many guys that are not just, you know, going to be major league caliber guys prospects, but like star potential multi-time all-star,

maybe even MVP-level guys in that system. And I think this is the year they break out and Seattle fans can be happy and go back to being the annoying Mariners fans that they were in the 90s and early like oh aughts whatever it's called you know when they're actually good as opposed to the oh little mariners that's so cute they've been for the last what 10 years or so yeah oh i i am going to be very annoying i have so many receipts so many receipts buddy i'm right there with you so all right i know everyone wants me to pick the mariners am i really going to leave bryce as the the only one who picks the Mariners here.

Dude, I'm willing to be on the island. I was about to go A's as a bit until Jason, you know, already did it. You know, I was going to say there's no way Bryce is going to pick the Houston Astros. Legally, I cannot. I will be out of my own podcast. I don't even care if I'm wrong.

But I actually, I really do believe that Seattle is good points. I think Seattle is going to be the team to watch out for, I think. Yeah. I'm still going to go with the Astros. Yeah, they lost Correa. Yeah, they lost Graven. They did add, you know, Verlander back to the mix.

We'll see how he, you know, is able to recover from Tommy John at his age. I think they're going to be starting the season without McCullors for a little bit there. So that's going to hamper some things. But that's still a really good rotation with Erkiti and Garcia and all those guys. You know, obviously the AOS, honestly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think there's really any denial, especially at full strength. I mean, that's a really, really stacked rotation that can go toe to toe with.

with anyone on any given night. So I still think that's a 90 plus win team. The Mariners right now, as they say, I think they're probably a mid 80s win team, but there's a very clear path there, as you guys talked about, as Colby talked about with the farm system, with the money that they have to play with,

where they can get to 90 plus wins again. And they did a lot of good things this off season to help get them on that path. So I wouldn't be surprised at the Mariners did with it as a fan. don't want to get hurt though so I'm I'm not gonna pick them just yet I'm not gonna get in the cart before the horse but I do like their odds I do like their odds but I'm still gonna go with the Astros that's still an incredibly built team even without

Carlos Correa we'll see if Pena is something it seems like Brett you're you're pretty high on him and look it's the Astros I'm sure he's gonna be like a 5-1 player out of nowhere this year so because of course because of course. All right. So we're going to be talking about which team won the off season. I think I have a pretty good idea of who that might be. We'll see. We'll see. Real quick, a reminder, this episode of lockdown MLB and our AOS roundtable here, it's brought to you by Athletic Greens. I started taking athletic greens because I just don't

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Hosts Lindsay Crosby is a prospect encyclopedia and he's going deep on the MLB stars of tomorrow. It's free and available wherever you get podcasts, just like this one. So let's dive into the offseason. There was obviously a pretty big thing that happened. and mid off season that delayed things quite a bit. We'll leave that unnamed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We'll just, you know, we'll move past that. We'll ignore that. That's, that's in the past. That's in the past. That doesn't matter anymore. So, Brett, I'll start with you because the Astros, quite frankly, didn't do a ton this off season. They brought back Justin Verlander.

They added Hector Nerris to the bullpen, but they lost Brooks Raleigh, Kennell Grayman. We talked about Correa. We talked about, you know, some of these other guys. So how are you feeling about the Astros? and who do you think in the end out of these five teams in the ALS won the offseason? Well, I think that as an Astros commentator or even as an Astros fan, you ultimately have to trust what the front office is doing

because they have a lot more insight than we do. And they apparently were comfortable enough with what they had and what they had in Jeremy Pena to let Carlos Correa walk. Who knows what they did or didn't offer them? Who knows who ghosted who? But I know a lot of Astros fans felt like with leaving, 30-something million under the first CBT number that maybe they should have done more or could have done more.

Our center field is a little suspect right now with Jake Myers on the men. So there's no way we won the offseason. I think bringing Justin Verlander was a huge return. But I also think that this offseason, I don't, I want to say the Rangers won, but I feel like the Rangers and the Mariners both added significant pieces to their teams. For me, it's hard to give a clear-cut winner because I think the Mariners, with adding Robbie Ray and some other pieces that way, probably beat them. But what the Rangers did, they immediately made themselves, not necessarily a contender,

but a team that's going to battle more and be in more games this year than they wore last year. Like Bryce said, you know, bad fun. But, you know, I think you have a lot to look forward to there in Arlington with the guys you added. I mean, they're consummate professionals. they're great at their positions. I'm going to give the upper hand on the Mariners just because the Robbie Ray signing, but the Rangers,

you got to tip their hat to them. I'm interested to hear what Jason Burke has to say later because he had some cool pre-show comments I want to delve in on. All right, Colby. RMs did a lot, just as Brett said. They added Robbie Ray. They added Jesse Winker,

one of the most underrated hitters in all the baseball. Ray, obviously coming off of the Cy Young Award. Adam Fraser, All-Star last year. A. Eugenio Suarez, a great bounceback candidate. We've talked about him a lot and the potential of him bouncing back during this soft season and on our show. How do you feel about the Mariners and the Rangers? Obviously, the Rangers spent a billion, cajillion dollars this off season, and that's kind of a rarity of major league baseball.

So you give the advantage to them or to the Mariners or who, maybe the A's. Maybe the A is we're selling off. Yeah. Yeah, there you know. Kind of want to bounce around a little bit here. First of all, the Mariners off season. I thought it was pretty good. Yeah.

We've talked about this time. I would give it like a solid like B, maybe B plus. I'm not wild about how much they're relying on their young talent like Julio and Kelnick and George Kirby, Matt Brash, even. Logan Gilbert, Cal Raleigh. Like you just go down the list. Like all of those guys need to be quality big leaguers for the Mariners to really make a serious push for the division.

And they really didn't do much around the fringes. They definitely added impact. Obviously, you add a SIE Young Award winner. You add two all stars and you had a guy who two years ago hit 49 home runs. And even last year in a down year hit 31. They certainly did quite a bit. and they had a very impactful offseason. If you're asking me which AOS team had the best off season,

like who added the most wins? Probably the Rangers. Who added the most impactful wins? Probably the Mariners. And maybe that's a little, you know, splitting hairs and all that stuff. But adding five wins for the Mariners is much more valuable than adding 15 wins for the Rangers just because the Mariners are just ahead of the Rangers in their current builds. So I did one point out.

I do find it interesting that, you know, the angels have arguably the two best players on the planet and two first ballot Hall of Famers. And not one of us even dare to mention them as a title contender. And the fact that they brought in Sendergarde is literally a footnote for most of us because I think the Rangers, I think the angels did have a nice off season. I don't think it matters because they're the angels. And I am contractually obligated to talk smack about the angels. So, yeah, I'm fascinated to see how that team, which added a lot of pitching, a lot of bullpen help mostly, and has, you know, arguably the two best players on the planet. I am fascinated to see how they go 78 and 84 again. Yeah, the Angels, the last time the Angels finished above 500, Jerry DePoto was their general manager.

But it's all his fault. It's all his fault. Yeah, but apparently it's all his fault. I still think if you purchase an Angels jersey with the number 26. and just put no pitching instead of trout. That kind of sums up their team. Yeah. Jason, all right.

Pre-show, before we hit record on this, you said that you have a take that I think some A's fans and definitely baseball fans around the world would find pretty interesting. Go. Okay. The question is, who won the offseason? And Colby's over here like, oh, who out of the most wins? No, no, no. Who had the most talent? The A's brought in the most talent.

So obviously, they won the offseason. It's easy. They brought in so many players that are maybe good. Quantity. Quantity over quality, right? Exactly. They traded for like 1998 Andrew Jones. He's good. Kevin Smith is over here putting up spring numbers like Matt Chavon, so there's no drop off whatsoever. Adam Aller could. be the next Chris Bassett.

So, hey, are they going to be a good team? Not necessarily. Are there, that's my joke take. Are they going to be a terrible team? Maybe. But there are going to be pieces here. They're going to be building towards that next contender. And hey, maybe it's going to be two or three years as opposed to, you know, like the Orioles

who I don't know when they're expected to start winning games. So it's going to be a rough season. But they brought in a bunch of talents. And I'm excited to see some of these guys. Some of them are close to the major. some of them aren't. And it's going to be a slow burn, but hey, they got some guys. And I'm excited about that.

And I'd say that probably the Mariners won the off season overall. I think that because I wrote down reasons. The Astros are good regardless. They didn't need to do a whole bunch. The Rangers made a bunch of moves, but they added like older guys who, but they're not ready to contend now. So as they're aging and getting worse, then they're going to be getting their prospects. And so I'm confused by that.

good job and then the mariners they they protected themselves really nicely from the regression that i think is going to be coming from last year where they won a lot of close games they had their good bullpen bad bullpen situation their bullpen was locked down they had a bunch of clutch hits and you can't really rely on that year to year so i think that they protected themselves nicely with some of the additions that they've made have they gotten a whole lot better from where they were probably projected for last season no but should they be able to maintain that i think so and i think that's solid. I think that's if they won 85, 86 games, hey, that might be

enough. We'll see. And then the angels are whatever. So that's my take. Bryce, go ahead. Well, I respect all of you, but you're all morons. Not a single one of you picked the rate. They've been half a billion dollars in two days, and it's not just about

that. That is the big part of it. Because going from 100 losses for the first time since the 1970s, they've only lost 100 games, what, 3,000, times in the 50 years since they have been in Texas, and two of those times were two of the first three seasons in Texas, and one of those was last year. But it wasn't just the guys that they added in the middle of the infill. I think Kowahouin is a really solid hitter, but some of the things

that they did is actually on the coaching staff that I think might have a huge, huge impact. They added Donnie Eckher, who last year was the hitting, actually the last couple of years, I think maybe two or three years, has been the hitting coach in San Francisco, who had the best offense and baseball and had all these guys who were I considered to be mostly washed mostly out of like out of it and he just completely revitalized their careers he is now the rangers is that the guy whose son started leaking stuff that's that's the other one i'm getting that's tim hires tim hires the actual hitting coach who they added from boston whose son may or may not have been leaking rangers news before it happened but donnie ecker is now the bench coach slash

offensive coordinator. So he is implementing an entirely new offensive philosophy, using a lot of less coaches throwing batting practice, using a lot more pitching machines. That was really, really effective with San Francisco and helping some of the older guys, helping some other guys, you know, hit against velocity really well. But they also added John Gray. And to your point of they added a bunch of older guys. I mean, Marcus Sivion isn't that. I believe he's 30. He just turned 30. But the range of a lot of guys on the way. They got Cole Wynn, who is one of the top pitching prospects, top 100 prospect pretty much all around baseball. He's going to be up at some point this season. He's going to be probably a middle of rotation guy. Jack Leiter is one of the more

advanced draft arm that has been in the draft basically since David Price. He's already starting in double A. He didn't pitch it all in the minors last year. And it wouldn't surprise me if he was about majorly ready by the end of the season. I don't think they're going to promote him because there's no need to rush him. But also, I think he's going to be in the big leagues at some point next year, which is kind of insane for got to go through that quickly. and he's got real top of the line stuff. I mean, his dad was a 20-year veteran. He's been training for this literally since he could hold a baseball.

But the Rangers have a lot more talent. They have a lot more guys in the middle of rotation. I think it's going to be a lot more solid than people give it credit for. Dane Dunning. Martine Perez is there to be there and eat innings and kind of help some of the younger guys like Spencer Howard, who has looked really, really good this spring was the primary return from the Phillies in the Kyle Gibson trade.

But like, the Rangers are not going to lose 100 games this year. They're not going to contend the division, but they are going to be about middle of the pack and going from absolute bottom tier and convincing two of the best at least four free agents that were on the market this year to sign with a team that just lost 100 games. If that's not winning the off season, I don't know what the heck is. And clearly, y'all don't either. Hey, Bryce. Yeah. I want to say real quick that just because you spent half a billion dollars doesn't mean that you won because gas is $6 now. and it used to be a lot cheaper.

It doesn't mean that it's better gas, Bryce. That's all. I think, you know, I feel sorry for y'all. You know, I think you, I think you said it great. But my, but my question for Jason is, how is Scott Hattabberg and David Justice going to do this year? Oh, they're going to be so good. I have no idea who's going to be playing first base.

They've got like five guys that are in the mix right now. It's wild. DJ, I guess that's Billy McKinney now. They're all over the place. they were playing as we started recording I think that there are roster announcements coming after that game ends on Sunday so I'm not bringing in Mitch Moore

He's still a free agent isn't he? I think he is I haven't seen him sign with anywhere You know Michael and Fordno is a free agent isn't he? Yeah look Jen Lowry is going to hit like 340 for the A's this year right? You know he is

Joe Larry's Tony Kim Elvis Andrews 30 home run to hit like I love Tony Kim lead the league and batting because of course um yeah uh i gotta make my pick um i'm going with the angels no uh i'm basically like the de facto angels representation here on this show unfortunately uh so i guess i have to talk about them for a second here um i do like what they did with the bullpen getting you know iglesias back even though that they paid way too much for risale iglesias uh 18 million

for a reliever should never happen. That should be illegal. But getting Ryan Tepera and Aaron Loop and some of those guys, that's cool. But yeah, Cindergarde has thrown an inning in the last two years. I don't know how that's going to translate at all. The Astros, you know, they're still really good, even without Correa, even without Graemean and all these guys. You know, so they didn't really need to do a ton.

I like the Hector Neris ad. We'll see what goes on. with Verlander. Rangers spent a lot of money and that should be applauded because I was forgot to mention Mitch Garver. I just completely forgot to mention adding one of the best hitting catches in baseball. I was like, oh yeah, your number three hitters. Yeah.

That also happened. Hey, I really like John Gray. You know, not as like a lead piece in the rotation, but hopefully that Texas rotation gets a lot better over the next year or so. Gray should be a nice part of that as a three or four in that rotation. But yeah, I do like that. You know, the A's, I mean, I'm sorry, Jason, but the payroll situation and everything, I'm sorry, man. I just, I can't, I can't, I can't.

At least they're staying in Oakland. Like, at least, at least. For now, for now. Real quick, I will say on that front, it looks like it might happen that they might stay, but we'll see there's a lot of stuff to go through. But it's trending positively just, I know that there's a lot of misinformation out there. It's trending positively. We're still all very optimistic. stick here in the Bay Area.

So that's all. Go ahead. Let's go. That's good. That's good. As someone wearing a Seattle Supersonics hat, I am definitely not rooting for a team to be taken away from a city. So I'm going to go with the Mariners here, though, because I'm biased.

I'll just submit it. And that's really the reason why I'm picking them. But no, I, you know, they surprisingly won 90 games last year. Colby and I have talked about whether that's a fluke or not and what have you. but they they built on that because they weren't a 90 win team heading into this year but they they built the a roster that at least has a path to getting there like I said earlier and and that's really all that you could hope for yeah they missed out on some of the big free agents like Trevor story like Chris Brian and etc but you look at some of the deals that those guys signed and it's like okay you know I get it those are hey those are great maybe you know maybe even all-star caliber players but they're not stars they're not stars so I you know there's a certain cutoff point with with those guys for me but adding Jesse Winker who I mean by WRC plus at least was the best hitter that switched hands this off season even better than the Matt Olson by a couple points you know I'm nitpicking here but yeah you know like they they they added some really nice pieces with Ray with Frazier with Winker I think they're in a good spot so let's get into the farm systems now we've already talked to a little bit about the the Mariners, you know, in their rankings. We've talked about the Rangers. The Rangers are in a good spot as well. The Hayes have obviously beefed up their farm quite a bit

here. How are we feeling about the best farm system in the division? Brett, I'll start with you. I believe it's got to be the Mariners just because of, I mean, obviously evidence. And I know a lot of times these, well, most rankings are done by who has the most top 100, prospects, right? And a lot of times those are your big guys that are making the millions, your Rodriguez's, your Frankos, your Bobby Witt juniors, your jungs, your guys like that. But the Astros have moved up. They're not last anymore. I put them about 25th, 24th or 25th. Look at how many guys are contributing right now in the major leagues that weren't on anybody's radar that are on this roster. And we've got holes. Yeah, we've got a whole slew. I mean,

I mean, who saw Jose Orkitty, who saw Luis Garcia? We've got guys like John Bermudas. We've got guys like Hunter Brown. We've got Corey Lee. We've got, I mean, we've got Pedro Leon. He won't be up this year. But let me tell you, we've got some studs coming. They're under the radar.

We're fine with that. The Mariners, I think, clearly have the top. The A's, I know Jason mentioned that y'all added a ton and we're yet to see. I think the Rangers, what the Rangers are doing in Round Rock and what they have in their lower levels, they're building a contender. So I would go Mariners, you know, we're not at the bottom anymore, but we're a little bit higher. And a lot of that has to do with trades and letting young talent go.

And, you know, gosh, I still wish we could have kept Teoska Hernandez. I really like that player. Colby, tell the folks how good the Mariners farm system is. Just, just gosh. It's the best in baseball. The Mariners are here. the Rangers are somewhere off my computer screen. No, but in all seriousness, the Mariners Farm system is very good.

It's going to go down in the ranks next winter, but A, rankings don't really matter, because if you're telling me right now the Astros are 24th, 25th, I'm telling you they're going to develop four, three-win pitchers in the next five years anyways. It doesn't matter. That's what the Astros do. So rankings don't really matter, but the Mariners are going to graduate some guys here. They're going to graduate Julio, probably here in the first couple months. they're going to graduate Brash.

They're going to graduate Kirby somewhere down the line. And those guys are all going to graduate. And that's not counting recent graduations like Cal Raleigh and Jared Kelnick, Logan Gilbert. And the farm system still might not be at its best because there is a lot happening in the lower levels. Thelman-Selastine is going to sign here. I think next January is the official signing date for that. It could be July still. It could be September.

Like, yeah, it's kind of all over the place. But he's going to sign here. there's one thing we can count on on charity to photo the regime to do now it's draft and develop i mean we're talking about guys like harry ford who most people aren't really talking about adam macko is a huge sleeper the mariners love adam macko um so that's a name to watch there uh the mariner system is is very very good but i will say texas is right there i think the mariner system is actually deeper than texas so i would disagree with bryce um i think it's deeper uh particularly on the pitching side of things uh i think texas i think texas you know i i look at those top five

guys that they have in pipelines top 100 and I see some good players I don't see potential stars there and the Mariners have stars have you seen jack lighter oh don't get me started on jack lighter i love jack lighter I started the lose for lighter campaign when people were still foobar kumar so foobar kumar kumar yeah that might be a mariner only thing but yeah um I was on the lose for lighter train uh from the jump so yeah I i I love jack lighter he don't have to sell me on him um but I will say this you know, it's interesting. The one thing I know about Oakland in general is that they're going to develop guys. I can count.

There's two things I can count on the Oakland A's to do. Be cheap and develop their own talent who are going to just crush the Mariners for no apparent reason. So that's going to happen. They've obviously improved greatly with all these trades. It's a bummer that that's how you have to improve. But it is. And then you have the angels who are picking their nose in the corner, not quite sure what a farm system even is. So to me, it's the Mariners and the Rangers are kind of,

like right there one and two then it's Oakland and then it's it's Houston who's going to be better than you think because they always are and then it's like 50 piles of of elephant poop and then it's the angels so the angels can't develop out you're telling me I'm supposed to be excited about read thatmers get out of here wow from the top rope colby oh oh oh you've only I will cancel appointment you've got a little bit you've got a little a little taste. Wait, hold on. He said ghosts about the Mariners, and then he drugged the entire division.

See, this is why he's my co-host, right? Like, I'm Chris Trager. He's been Wyatt. Incredible. All right. Jason. How are we feeling about the A's right now after all these trades? Like, where do you think they rank now?

I mean, at this point, they traded Maniah like six hours ago, and I'm like, yeah, it's fine. It happens. That's where I am. So I'm just like, hey, who did they get? Let's move on. Because I've done this five or six times at this point. So I'm like, yeah, it's whatever.

Let's get. And I made this point on my show a couple weeks ago when they traded like Matt Olson and stuff. And the thing that the A's have, this is not about their firm system necessarily, but it kind of is. The thing that the A's do is they give you time to just learn to love the guys that they have on the club, just like the Mariners are doing this as well. but they don't go out and spend a bunch of money where it's like, hey, we're going to go get Garrett Cole. And now we're going to go win a championship. You're like, hey, no, we're going to fall in love with this team.

And maybe you have a season like 2012 where, sorry, Bryce, they didn't win, they didn't lead the division until the very last day of the season where they beat. They swept the Rangers in the final series of the season. And then they lost in the ALDS, but everybody chanted because it was just a magical season. It was wonderful. And those are the kinds of moments that you get as an Oakland A's fan. You might not win a championship. But hey, you're having fun.

And maybe one day they will. And so that leads me to the A's prospects. And I'm intrigued mostly at the upper levels right now. And the guys that we're presuming are going to make the major league roster. You got Kevin Smith who came over in the match happen trade. He looks interesting. He's a shortstop by trade. He's probably going to be playing either third or second or wherever they want to put him.

There's a bunch of moving parts right now. Elis Andri is still on their contract. Thanks for that one, Bryce. Sheldon Noisy is back. So that's fun. He might play third or second or there's a lot of. there's a lot of moving parts we're going to find out who plays where because tony keb also on this team he plays second base um and also other places uh i i really like pache a lot um his defense has been fantastic

i it he's showing signs that his bet can play we're going to find out if it can because if it does oh man that is a superstar in the making right there um i i like him a lot he's a good time adam aller i mentioned him already um it seems like he's a gritty guy he's he strikes me a lot like a Chris Bassett type where he might overpower you a little bit, but he's going to try and outthink. He's going to try and outwork you. And he's a very A's pitcher. And then they got another guy, Sneed, he's a reliever.

He's going to make the roster. He looks good. I'm intrigued by him. So those are the main guys up at their major league level. I think that the depth of the A's system and where they are, I think that they were ranked 23rd by MLB Pipeline overall is going to be up to Shay Langleyers, who they got in the Matt Elson. He is their number two prospect behind fellow catcher, Tyler Soderstrom.

So they have two top tier catchers in their in their prospect rankings. So that's fun. You know what that says to me, Jason? They're going to trade Sean Murphy. They should trade Sean Murphy to the Mariners. Yes. I sure. You guys want to give him some guys?

Because his value is very high. You got four years of control of this guy. And he is having an amazing spring right now. And I think that to your point, how should. Jay Langleyers performs in the first month or two will determine whether or not he's coming up, you know, early this season or later on this season. And when that happens is when they trade John Murphy and also get a haul for him and supplement their prospect, their farm system even more.

And so that's kind of where I was going with all that. And then the other guy, Tyler Sotom, their actual number one prospect, he's probably not going to be a catcher anymore. So how does he develop with the bats and is he going to be playing first base? These are things that I'm keeping an eye out for because his bat can play. And I'm intrigued to see where he's going to be playing. But yeah, go A's. The Marin have the best system.

Take it away, Brace. Yeah, well, if you take out several guys for the Mariners system, then the Rangers have the best system in all of the ALS. You take out who he'll run break is. And Matt Brash. And, well, I mean, he's going to be in the major leagues like now. And Matt Brash, his level is listed on Pipeline as MLB. and you know Kirby yeah Kirby's going to be probably some time this year oh Kirby made the rotation

no no no no brush it oh brashed it okay well I mean all these guys like the margers have a really great system they're a lot of tough guys but I really disagree with your take that the ranger's system is not as deep and definitely disagree with it on the pitching side I have one of my friends who is a scout in the ALEs has told me that he was absolutely floored by the amount of depth the rangers have in their system but you are right there's not a whole lot of star guys but there are some there are several at the top of the system it starts with jack lighter who i actually ranked as my number two prospect because of my own homerism with josh young who i think is the best third base prospect in baseball i've watched that kid since he was a freshman at texas tech got some eyes on him then

i also saw shay leal lears uh while he was a freshman as well and both those guys went right around the same time but anyway jack lighter is going to be a future ace of this staff and another guy to keep an eye on i love col win he's very very advanced he's still only 21 years old he's only had two actual minor league development seasons because you know 2020 he was drafted i believe in 2018 but they were doing this dumb thing called delode program where a lot of their pitchers just like didn't pitch the first year of their draft and then shocker a whole bunch of them had you know Tommy john surgery when they started to pitch again but somebody who a couple of guys who jumped on to the national should be on the national prospect guys consciousness is one guy who

won the best pitcher award in the Arizona fall league and that is Owen white. He's got absolutely disgusting stuff. I can't remember if the Rangers drafted him or if he actually, no, he was a Rangers draft pick. I was confusing him with A.J. Alexi. He was part of the U. Darvish trade. We was a second round pick back in 2018. He's had some injury issues and was injured a little bit last year.

But his stuff is absolutely nasty. Outside of Jack Leiter, it might be the best in the system. He's going to start the season at high A, probably end in season in double A. But another guy who really came on last year was, and thank you for this Jason, is Dustin Harris, part of the, Mike, minor trade, which how the Rangers got two guys as good as Dustin Harris and Marcus Smith in that trade is absolutely beyond me. But Dustin Harris absolutely crushed it at every single level. He played last year. He had on-base over 400. He slugged over 500. The guy was absolutely

mashing in 20 home runs last year. He plays pretty much all the corner positions, first base, third base, left field, right field, which is really good for him because he's going to be in AA and, you know, the infield is pretty much locked away for the ranger for the next half decade. You have Nathaniel Lowe at first base and you have probably Josh Young for the next five years at third base, even though he is going to be out for this entire season with a shoulder injury. Probably will be back around, you know, mid-August. But the Rangers depth is excellent. They have a lot of guys that are really stinging good at the top of this list.

Ezekiel Duran, who was part of the Joey Gallo trade. Josh Smith nearly broke camp with the Rangers Big League Club this season or this spring. He had like 420 and an OPS of like I think over 2000. and it was absolutely ridiculous. Came up as a shortstop. He's going to play a lot in the outfield because, again, he spent half a billion dollars on your middle infield.

So his long-term future is probably going to be somewhere in the outfield. But that guy also was an AFL fall star in the fall. Didn't do as well when the Raiders first traded for him. But this guy can absolutely mash. He can't really play shortstop. But other than that, he plays third pretty well. He's going to spend a lot of time learning left field,

seeing if he's a center fielder. But that guy can absolutely tear the cover off the baseball. And it is legitimately like 30 players deep. There's at least, I think, 30 guys in the system right now that I could say are going to be big league contributors at some point in the career. And that is a very rare thing to see in a system like this that was so far gone just like two, three years ago. Yeah. I'll say this about Owen. That's why training guys works.

I really like Owen White. I like him to a poor man, Sam Carlson. But White would definitely be in the top 20-ish of the Mariners prospect. system yeah no but in all serious is I do really like oh wow I really do yeah he he's gonna surprise savagery tonight he's very good man um he's talking like someone who's one he's been to five straight a OCS sorry he's talking like a series to show soon soon he one t Coulby is a time traveler Colby's a time traveler he's been to the year 2027 And there he is.

Don't start time travel now. You know how much I hate time travel. Oh, yeah. In game. See, I have like, I have words that I just say to Colby and then he starts raining for like 20 minutes. Colby, Russell Wilson. I can't use those words on this podcast. So I'm going to respectfully decline.

So, yeah, real quick, again, I guess I have to talk on behalf of the. angels it's a dumpster fire uh if they want to get better if they want to get better they're going to have to trade like brandon marsh or jared walsh or uh joe adele or someone like that and it's like okay you're taking away from you're taking away from your uh your major league roster so uh yeah whatever uh the barreners farm farm system great love it rangers farm system great love it a's farm system great love it astro's farm system probably going to be a lot better than everyone thinks because of course and the angels

but I hear they have pitching prospects that's what I'm saying someone's like well they've been drafted pitchers and I'm like they drafted 20 pitchers how can they be that right exactly one has got to stick one it's all that reverse

luck from drafting Mike Trout and getting show he'll tie like you get these two and that's it that's all you get They got Mike Trout. They couldn't win. They spanned the playoffs. They couldn't win.

They got show it tiny they can't win. I mean, what are they going to do to beat them? Do they get an automatic 10-game push next year? Everybody makes the playoffs. There you go. All right, guys, we're going to be talking about the best in-season trade chip in just a moment. But real quick, a reminder of this show is brought to you by bet online. Betonline.

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Well, all right, all right. Maybe the Rangers are kind of in a position where the Mariners were about a year ago where it was like, all right, they might not be competing, but they might add at the deadline anyway. So maybe you can attack it from a, from a buying standpoint. Jason, I assume if you have, if the A's have anything left to sell, I mean, they still have Frankie Montes for now. We'll see if that lasts until the summer.

We'll see the last to the end of the recording of this podcast. Yeah, yeah, probably. It's a in-season trade chip, right? So we've still got a few days. Nobody's safe right now. Jason is on the trading block, yes. Brett, I'll start with you. Since, you know, we just said that, you know,

the Astros farm system is probably going to be better than everyone thinks. But does the rest of the league feel that way? How are the Astros going to get better this, you know, mid-season if they need to? It depends on who they can go out and get by the trade deadline. relief pitching wise. I think relief pitching is their biggest hole. I don't know why you would go out and get a position player at this point. Right now, you know, Baez looks shaky and spring training. Montero. We hope it gets like. Oh, we know about Raphael Montero. But here's some guys, though, that are supposed to pay dividends, but I don't know that they will. Hector Neres, it's a wait and see.

I think he's got potential to be better than both of those guys. But the Astros, will have to. If they want a significant upgrade in their bullpen, they're going to have to look at a Colin Barber. I really doubt Corey Lee or Hunter Brown. I think Corey Lee, Hunter Brown, and Pedro Leon are all untouchable. They'll probably have to get rid of a Martinez who I believe who he actually got from Oakland, I think. Bermudez, some of these other guys, Pete Solomon, that are major league ready to, you know,

a Tyler Ivy who has pitched, who had an unfortunate injury. his rookie year. He actually debuted in Arlington, and then shortly after that he didn't do too well because of an injury, but they've got pieces they can trade away. I don't know what value they have. So the Astros community is looking for them to do something relief pitching-wise at the halfway point. I just don't know who they're going to grab. Are they going to grab someone from AA? Is it going to be an Alex McKenna? Is it going to be a great Kessinger? They've got so many guys that really have talent and upside. They're just not ready. yet. Corey Jolk's a local kid out of out of, out of,

Friendswood High School, town right next to mine. Kids a stud athlete. I mean, they've got a plethora of players. Taylor Jones, who's out of Seattle, was an amazing athlete in high school. It's just one of those things. I'm not sure. How are you feeling about the Mariners? What do you think is going to be their biggest trade ship when, presumably, even if this season kind of falls apart for our marriage,

just a little bit disappointing. I think they're still going to add, right? Yeah. So who's that guy that's going to help them get that? Yeah, the Mariners are in a really interesting spot because basically any player that becomes available, you know, midseason or right now, the Mariners can afford to go out and get him.

It doesn't mean they're going to. It doesn't mean they like the player as much as maybe everybody else does. But like if Jose Ramirez is out there, the Mariners can put together a better package than the Blue Jays. Doesn't mean they want to? I'd probably not. But so it's a really interesting spot. But who is the like most valuable trade ship to add?

It's probably noel B Marte. Is there a player who's going to be available that the mayors would trade Marte for? Maybe Brian Reynolds, but probably not. So it's probably Marte. I really don't think they're going to trade Kirby. I think they like Kirby. They're not going to trade Julio.

They might trade Kelnick. But I just I don't think they're going to give up on Kelmick quite that soon. So I think it's noelvie. I think they want I think they really try. Harry Ford. They love the bat. The exit Velo numbers are off the charts, his versatility, his athleticism. He's a 60-grade runner who's a catcher. He could play shortstop if you needed them too. I feel like Noelvie Marte is the biggest trade chip they have. We'll see if Hancock bounces back, Emerson Hancock, if you can stay healthy. He would be a nice trade chip as well.

One guy who I know the front offices like a ton that maybe isn't getting a lot of hype in prospect circles, at least, you know, the top level of prospect circles. Adam Maco has a lot of admirers around the league. So I throw him out there as well. And, you know, just because it's something we heard last year and I'll throw a major leaguer out there because maybe the Mariners do have to trade from their major league roster, kind of like what Houston did last year. And ironically, it is a former Houston Astro. We've heard that there are several front offices who absolutely love Abraham Toro and want to get their hands on him. The Mariners got offers for Toro after they acquired him last year. The mayor is also really like Toro, obviously. So I would just throw him out there as kind of a

major leaguer to watch. But I think at the end of the day, if you're looking for who's the best prospect, they'll actually move for the right player, it's probably Noel B. Marte. All right. Brett had to go record another podcast. So it's just the four of us now we can talk crap about the Astros. Anyone got some funny. Don't say, like that stop me. No, I was going to say that. Anyone got some funny cheating memes? Oh, no, I was going to say, like, we were saying, I thought saying the best trade ship in the division and i was going to go out a limb and say alex bregman because you know after this year he starts making 30 million dollars and we know those poor astros you know their pocketbooks are really their purse strings are really tight right now

you know you don't want to pay a guy um well any money unless it's uh what's his face justin verlander names names are hard but only pay the old guys don't pay like the 30 year olds no 27 year old sorry Jason no thanks Frank Montes like we said is he's probably going to be gone by the end of this recording

maybe the end of the sentence Oh no Breaking news oh boy Frankie Montes of the Mariners let's go no one of Lee Martans to the Oakland A's

yeah that's probably not going to happen considering what I what Colby and I have been told about how the A's feel about Mariners prospects or what they're asking for in division that doesn't sound like

something the Mariners are probably going to want to do uh we'll just leave it at that but if montes is gone before the trade deadline who else do you think some teams might uh give the aes a call on i think that montes is assuredly gone um probably sooner rather than later just because uh he does have an injury history he doesn't throw a lot of innings generally last year was the most that he's ever thrown. So you'll want to trade him before he breaks down and he has no trade value. So I look for that one soon. Sean Murphy is another big one.

As I said before, Shay Langaleir's is now probably the air apparent. They just reset the catcher plug. If you look at us at his cutter clock and not. Didn't he just come up? Didn't Murphy like just come up like last year or two years ago? A couple years ago. So he's got four years of control,

including this one. So yeah. So you just reset it and go with the next. next wave of A's guys and there you go. You got a bigger window by getting Shaylinglears and you get more prospects by trading Sean Murphy. Yeah. Ramo Luriano is an interesting one.

The trade values website says that he's like the second most valuable trade prospect that the A's had. And that's like with Olson and Chapman and Bassett and the guys that they've already traded. He was just below Murphy. That was it. Mostly because of yours or control. I don't know how much they factor the PED suspension into that. But hey. That's going to be the question mark is how does he play?

How does he look? If he's still looking like Roman Luriano, then he's got value. He's got a decent amount of value. He's probably on the trade block. And then the other guy, Brett was talking a lot about needing a reliever. They just have one and it's Lou Trevino. He's a player. He's good.

He's got experience. So maybe they can get, you know, something for Lou Trevino. Is he going to be a closer type guy? No, he's closer for the A's, but it's black. of options more than like undeniable talent. So he'd be like a seventh inning guy probably for a team. But you know, that holds value to teams like the Mariners could prop.

You guys are really good. But you guys need depth. He's a guy. They just lost Casey Sadler for the year. Ken Giles is not going to be able to start the year healthy. So yeah, no, Trevino. Colby actually mentioned Trevino on our last episode of Lockdown Mariners. So there you go.

So Trevino for Noel V. Marte. Done deal. and I love it. Actually, no, I really like to know all the Marketay a lot. Yeah, we'll give you Stephen Sousa Jr. Can we get Stephen Sousa Jr. on every single Major League team by the end of his career? I think we can do it. He's going to be traded a few more times, but like, I think he's got what it takes.

Bryce? Yeah, so that's the good times. So what about you guys down in Texas? Do you think they're going to add no matter what happens this season or what have you? And if they are going to sell a little bit, who do you think some teams might call on? Well, the thing is, they're in kind of a weird place because they're not quite good enough to add, but they're not quite bad enough to sell. It's like right in that middle zone.

The last couple of years, the Rangers have done, while they've been absolute trash, the one thing they've done is been able to add a kind of bottom-ish tier. pitching starting pitchers and kind of revitalized their careers guys that were washed up they saw one little thing like okay we can tweak that one thing and they'll be great they've done that three times now they and they've made all of them all stars they did it with lance lynn they did it with mike minor they did it with uh who am i forgetting oh my god i swear names he was he was really good against the a ace no no Kyle Gibson Kyle Gibson Kyle Gibson who was a deserving all star this year and kind of fell off

in Philly. But they didn't really do that this year, unless they did with Martin Perez, which I've watched a lot of Martine Perez over the years. I don't know that's the case. I think he's more of an inning theater. So there's not a whole lot to trade away in terms of veteran guys. I mean, you know, if Cole Cahoon does like amazing, they still got another year on his option. He will against the Mariners. He probably will. Old Ginger Popeye, yeah, he loves to body the Mariners on a frequent basis. So, They've also got Brad Miller, who's going to be platooning in left field, which is kind of a weird thing. If Andy Abagnas absolutely pops off, then that's a thought that he's got multiple years of control.

I didn't think he'd ever be a major league starter. I watched him a whole lot in double A, and he was pleasantly surprising last year. And his defense, he spent a lot of time with Adrian Beltray this spring, and his defense looks actually, like, good at third base, which is not something I ever thought I'd be saying. But in terms of the farm system, those have a lot of top guys that it doesn't make sense to trade. like they're not trading jack lighter for pretty much anything in the world they're probably not trading josh young now because he's out for the whole year and this would be just a dumb time to sell on him same with owen white those are kind of and cole win like those are kind of their top three guys

where you start to look at maybe trading guys is maybe you think about ezekiel duron i don't think they want to i think they really like him and josh smith but justin foskew who is a second base prospect the first pick uh first round pick in i believe 2020 who just randomly found a whole bunch of power was pretty much just a, you know, hit for average kind of guy, really good plate approach. Start swinging and missing a whole lot more, but also hitting a crap ton more bombs than anybody thought possible. He's pretty much just a second base and more likely a left field guy eventually. And so I think he might be the top guy in the system that they move if they do decide to go and get somebody at the deadline, which I don't think they're going to make some big move at the deadline.

It kind of depends if they're, you know, they start off hot. I wouldn't be surprised if they made a move for a starting pitcher. But there's a lot of guys that they want to figure out in the rotation this year. It does look kind of poor, but they're trying to figure out which these guys can be a middle of the rotation or just some part of the rotation starter. And this is the year to do it. You're not a whole lot of pressure to contend. Basically starting next year, that clock is on because you spend that kind of money on those guys. They only have so many great years left in them.

And so you've got to start winning while they're good. and while their contract is an asset as opposed to an Albatross. All right, the Angels. Oh, boy, what a mess. I mean, is their top. Is their tough.

Yeah, exactly. Mike Trout. Yeah, no, they're actually in a pretty decent position of things fall off the rails again to sell some guys send a guards on a one-year deal, so that's probably an extractive piece if he's healthy, if he's pitching fairly well.

Obviously, he has some money there, though, involved. So that's going to create. some problems there. You know, they got the guys that they added to the bullpen, like Loup, like Tepera. Those guys could have some value. David Fletcher, maybe, hopefully, finally goes, please.

He's just an absolute annoyance. The Mariners hand are Otani really well, by the way. Justice Sheffield, Justice Sheffield in particular. I believe Justice Sheffield has Shohei Otani over 10 against him in his career with like... Six strikeouts and one walk. him and Taylor Hearn. He retired anybody else in his career?

No, just Otney. Wow, he's like 100 innings and he's just only gets so funny. He's the O'Tany killer. He's the Otney killer, man. Yeah, so I mean, and then if, you know, the angels are actually by some miracle in a position to compete, you know, at the midseason point, they're probably going to have to trade someone like Jared Walsh or Brayden

Marsh or Joe Adele to get what they need. And that's, I mean, if any of those guys are popping off to the point where they're gaining interest to the point where they can actually get something useful for them, I mean, that's going to hurt their major league club as well. So they're in a really difficult spot here. And I love it. They can trade Justin Upton. Oh, wait. Okay, real quick. I want to know what the hell, why?

Okay, here's the angels. The angels are wild. They're going to eat this contract, this $28 million contract, but they waited until the end of spring training when they need guys like Adele and Marsh to actually come up and perform well and be ready to go. But they gave this other guy who they're paying $28 million to go away at bats. It could have been used for those guys.

I'm very confused as to why they waited. If you're going to cut them, cut them. But do it earlier and like try and get some guys a mess. They must have been looking for trades. But like the fact that you couldn't find like anybody, like even if you eat like a decent chunk of the money, $27 million. It's better than hitting all of it and getting nothing. Like I mean, good Lord.

He wasn't that bad last year. You're telling me the Rockies wouldn't have traded something for like one million dollars worth of Justin up. Marquez. Three top prospects for it and agreed to pay that salary and send money because the Rocky can make no sense. $1 million. But we'll give you but we'll pay his whole salary. Man, we've been having

so much fun dragging all these ALS teams that we started going into the Yannels. Anyone have any thoughts on the Diamondbacks or the podrons? Oh man, what a joke of a franchise. That is. Thanks, Dave Stewart. A's legend. All right.

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