Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Apparently the Mariners Are Rolling With Dan Wilson as Manager Beyond 2024

Starting point is 00:00:00 Well, Dan Wilson apparently isn't just the interim manager of the Mariners. No, we are fully in the Dan Wilson era now, apparently. Oh, and also Edgar's back. And, of course, you know, the Mariners couldn't have done all this without making themselves look bad in the process. So let's talk about it. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast.

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Starting point is 00:01:27 Tonight, we're recording this on Thursday night because Colby's heading out of town when you're listening to this. and the mayor's made the official announcement of Scott Service being fired and Dan Wilson being appointed the new manager. But we quickly noticed they didn't say interim manager in the title. And then you quickly noticed. Yeah, there's a difference there. I'm getting to it. I'm getting to it. And then you noticed they referred to him as the 18th full-time management.

Starting point is 00:02:02 of the Seattle Marriers. And that didn't line up with what Ken Rosenthal reported earlier on Thursday morning. And we waited for a little while for Jerry to putto to speak to the media. And lo and behold, that wasn't a mistake. And the press release from the Marers, no, Dan Wilson is the full-time manager of the mergers. Like, he's, he's the guy for 2025 now, apparently. Now, maybe that changes during the off season.

Starting point is 00:02:36 We'll see, but highly doubted. It seems like that's the plan. Dan Wilson is at least as far as next year goes, going to be the manager of the Seattle mayor. So I have some thoughts on that. Some pretty strong thoughts on that. I went on Ben Rennery's show last night and shared some of those. So maybe you've heard them already. And if so, I'll give Colby the floor to share his thoughts first.

Starting point is 00:03:03 Just weird. the fact that they forego the opportunity to discuss. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. They forego the opportunity to go see if, you know, can they go land a big fish? Can they go snipe somebody? Can they, you know, maybe there's just somebody out there that they should talk to.

Starting point is 00:03:24 And maybe, you know, they're, you just to forego that when there's really no reason to because you could name Dan Wilson, the interim manager. Yeah. And if you decide you go through. all the interviews and all that stuff and you decide Dan is the guy, just hire him, give him the job. So to me it's very weird to just immediately jump to he's the full-time manager instead of going through a process and interviewing a lot of people, which to me kind of indicates this is what they wanted to do for a while. Like they must have had some conversations with Dan about taking on a bigger role over the last

Starting point is 00:03:56 few years and they must really like what he had to say and all that stuff. because, again, there's just no reason not to go out there and talk to other people, particularly people outside of your organization who might have, you know, different outside perspective and it might be able to help you that way. So it'll be interesting to see that. I'm also going to be interested to see what kind of coaching staff Dan can put together. I don't know how wide his network is around the game. And obviously, you know, when you only work for the Mariners and you haven't played, you know, a major league game in 20 years, like there's not, I think it's fair to question. how wide the network is. Now, the reports are is that Edgar is going to be named the hitting coach probably, I mean, he might have already been, as you guys are listening to this,

Starting point is 00:04:39 but as of right now, the Mariners do not have a hitting coach on staff. DeHard has been fired. There's been no announcement made of who that will be. Jude is reporting that it is Edgar, and I think that's a pretty safe assumption. So I would also assume that Edgar is going to be here, not just for the next five, six weeks, that he will accept the role on a full-time level or he will just carry over and be on Dan Wilson's staff next year. Otherwise, there's really no reason for him to take the six-week assignment. So, you know, we've already seen one move made. Now, what does this mean for Perry Hill?

Starting point is 00:05:10 What does this mean for Manny Acta? What does this mean for Christopher Negron, who we thought was, you know, a high up on the Mariners list? They're probably all going to have the opportunity to interview elsewhere at some point this winter. But again, how does Dan Wilson put together a staff? If he's got Edgar, you know, what does he do, a pitching coach? does he try to retain Woodworth? And by the way, how much control over it,

Starting point is 00:05:31 how much control over his staff does Dan Wilson even going to have? Like, does he get to pick his staff? Or is that going to be a Jerry thing? Or are we going to work together? Well, if he's already bringing in Edgar. But we also don't know if that's a directive of Wilson's or if that's a directive of John Stanton or Jerry to Potoh. Sure.

Starting point is 00:05:49 Although that one seems pretty easy to agree upon. Like, I don't think there's much debate if it's a Wilson thing or if it's a Jerry thing. I think they probably looked in that, sure. I mean, that's a no-brainer, at least in their mind. He's done it before. He did a pretty good job of it, at least as far as we can tell. And obviously, he's very familiar with Dan. So we'll see what kind of staff he can brings. We'll see what kind of how much turnover there is, typically speaking. There's a lot. But, you know, again, how wide is Dan's network? How, how, you know, how many guys can he convince to come take these jobs? You know, does he have any, you know, pull for other guys around the league? Or is it just, you know, going to be past teammates and, you know, just connections to Jerry to Poto, who's going to hire a good chunk of his staff. Did they just retain pretty much everybody except for service and the heart? Seems unlikely. But yeah, so lots of different, you know, avenues to go. Now that we know that Dan is the guy, if he was the interim manager, we really wouldn't be having these discussions

Starting point is 00:06:49 because it probably wouldn't be him who we'd have to worry about putting a staff together. Right. It'd be the next guy's job. But, you know, Dan has been in the, the Mariners organization as a coach or he's had a role in the organization for the last 11 years. That's just been with the Mariners. So we'll see how wide as net is. We'll see how much of a staff he builds. We'll see if he does he want to retain Manny Acta because ACTA has a lot of years on the bench as both a manager and a bench coach. That might be valuable to somebody like Dan Wilson who's never done this before.

Starting point is 00:07:20 So lots of things going through my head right now. The biggest one is that it's weird to me that they forego. the opportunity to discuss what is a pretty good job on paper. They forego that opportunity to discuss that with other managers, retired managers maybe or bench coaches or pitching coaches or whatever. Why would you shut yourself off from that? Why would you shut yourself off from an actual proper hiring process? And why would you do that for Dan Wilson?

Starting point is 00:07:57 And I get it. Dan's a franchise legend. He's been working with the organization for over a decade now. He has probably the best thumb on the pulse of what's going on within the organization of anyone that's considered an outsider, quote unquote. He's been obviously, you know, operating as a color guy on the broadcast for the last few years, you know, on occasion. Almost as essentially a regular last year when Blowers was out. So like he is very much aware of what's going on with the team. I'm sure he's cultivated some relationships with people on the coaching staff and obviously the players. We know about Cal Raleigh and his relationship with Dan, but still.

Starting point is 00:08:38 Sure. I think we should clarify something, though, real fast here. I don't think we're saying that hiring Dan Wilson is a bad. No, no, but it's like, but it feels like they felt like they, the need to jump at this opportunity right now and make these. guarantees to him. Right. It just like who else is going after Dan Wilson right now? Like with all due respect, you know, like we don't know. Maybe he was a hot name or maybe he was going to be a hot name.

Starting point is 00:09:08 We don't know. Sure. I think the important thing for me is that we're not saying that Dan Wilson is doomed to fail. We're not saying that Dan Wilson isn't the right hire at the end of the day. I think what we're saying is is that it's tough for us to say definitively he is the right man for the job when you didn't talk to anybody else. Right. outside of the organization. So, you know, we'll see, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:09:29 For all we know, the Mariners were in contact with like Terry Francona and, hey, are you interested or, you know, some of the bigger names that are out there that don't have jobs right now. But, you know, again, and it's not that they don't know Dan Wilson well or anything like that. They know him pretty well. He's been very active with this franchise for the last 11 years more so than, you know, than the Griffey types more so than, you know, the each year, well, each or whatever.

Starting point is 00:09:55 you know what I mean like it's not just been a ceremonial type of role for Dan Wilson he's been putting in the work across the organization so yeah and I don't mean to discredit that and I'm not trying to no all I'm saying here is that this is a very big decision that you've made and what seems to be a very quick amount of time that you didn't have to make again yeah but tag is there for a reason but that also leads me to what I find most suspect about all of this is the timeline of this decision and how it all came together. So I want to get into that in just a moment. But first a reminder of this episode of the Lockdown Marys podcast is brought to you by Liquid Ivy and Supply House. I think most of us can agree that there is nothing better than enjoying an ice cold beverage on a hot summer day at the ballpark. So when you take it in America's pastime, don't forget to hydrate with Liquid Ivy's

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Starting point is 00:13:17 especially after the um the press conference with uh with Jerry Depoto today and all of reports that came out from that. So like I was saying earlier, the thing that gives me the most pause here, or the thing that I have the biggest questions about is the timeline of this, the timeline of this decision. Naming a full-time manager making that decision for not just the rest of this year, but also next year, that's not something that you do on a web. at least that's not something you should do on a web. Jerry DeBoto said that they've been talking to Dan for the last three or four days.

Starting point is 00:14:02 I don't buy that, frankly. And if it has only been three or four days and they've made this kind of decision, this kind of commitment, that doesn't seem like great process by the mayor's organization. Or Dan Wilson is one heck of an interview. Right. Right. Right. I mean, yeah, it's, it's a little crazy. And then obviously the timing with, you know, Depoto going on the record yesterday with Rosenthal and then the next day. The very next day. Right. Like not even, I mean, just barely 24 hours later. Yeah. And so it just kind of seems like this has been in the works for a little while. Um, which I mean, I don't know how uncommon that is where it, you know, where, where. hey we know we're going to fire this guy in a couple weeks but i mean i mean you do have to figure out

Starting point is 00:15:01 who your interim manager is going to be i get that right and but he's not the interim manager like right but in this case maybe the idea was hey we're talking about you know this and and you'd be the interim manager and then they talk to him and again maybe he interviews really well maybe he's got a great plan maybe he's maybe he's got more contacts in the game than we thought and he's going to put together sure incredible staff like we don't know how this is going to play out but just based on what we've seen like what we know today on as we're recording this the 22nd on the day scott service has been fired weird and suspect all signs seem to point to the to the fact that they or the idea or whatever that they have rushed into this like they have gone yeah let's let's just

Starting point is 00:15:51 do it screw it let's just give him the reins let's just give him the keys so that and that right there is what makes me really hesitant to believe that this is totally Jerry's idea. Yeah. Because if there's something we can say about Jerry to Poto, it's that he is definitely not reactionary. So that leads me into something that Ben and I talked about on his show. And I want to get your thoughts on it. Do you think that maybe, again, if this is more of an ownership-driven decision,

Starting point is 00:16:23 if while they're they're probably going to keep jerry and Justin around at least for another year like we talked about on Wednesday's episode you know for all the reasons that we talked about that maybe they are taking some of the control that they have over the on-field decisions the on-field product in general obviously they still put the players together and all that stuff but like just kind of what we see on-field and the collaboration we've seen. between front office and coaching staff that maybe some of that is being stripped away now. Because we talked about this on, again, now yesterday's episode for you guys, back when we thought that Dan was just going to be the interim manager, how much of the reasons was he actually going to have? Was he going to have the same control over things as Scott's service?

Starting point is 00:17:17 Because again, like we talked about, there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen when it comes to game planning, lineups, in-game decision, all that stuff. Scott still has the final say, but there's a lot of collaboration there. Could we see, actually, it's just Dan? Like, Dan just makes the decisions now?

Starting point is 00:17:36 There isn't really as much collaboration. Like, there isn't any collaboration or at least as much collaboration as there was. I think it's the opposite way, actually. I don't think it can be more collaborative, but Dan Wilson has a total of zero games of managerial experience. Well, yeah. Scott's service ad at the end of the day,

Starting point is 00:17:56 ended up with 1,300. So I do think that actually, you know, it might be, Dan might lean more on, on his staff than Scott did. Where it's possible, Scott was like, yes, obviously it's still a collaborative effort, but at the end of the day, I have 1,300 games of experience here. I kind of know what I'm doing. So maybe I'll be willing to more, more willing to, you know, move away from that plan than somebody like Dan, well, who's probably going to lean on Manny Act, he's probably going to lean

Starting point is 00:18:23 on, you know, Edgar and on Woodworth. But I don't know. Like again, because we have literally zero evidence to tell us how good Dan Wilson is going to be at this. So we're just guessing at this stage. And we're guessing what type of manager he's going to be. We're guessing how he's going to, you know, manage a running game. How is how much small ball is he going to play? My guess is it's going to look very similar to Scott's service, at least for this year.

Starting point is 00:18:48 Yeah. So. Well, I just, I don't know how you, with five, six weeks to go. I don't know how you install philosophies and get guys to buy into that. Right. When they've been doing the same thing

Starting point is 00:19:02 for the last four, four and a half months. Like that's, Ben asked me about this on his show. I'll reiterate it here. You know, we've obviously had a lot of discussion about what the actual impact of a manager is on the on,

Starting point is 00:19:14 like the on field success of a team. Right. Right. To me, if they do find some success, this year, like for the rest of the year, they actually do start playing better ball. I feel like that's just going to be purely coincidence. Because again, I just, I don't know what kind of philosophies you're going to install. I don't know what you're going to tell these players differently.

Starting point is 00:19:38 That's just suddenly going to click and they're suddenly going to play better baseball because of that. I think if they end up playing better and it has something to do with Dan and Edgar being present, it's just because of their presence, right? And the absence of Jared DeHart and Scott's service. just because it's different. Yeah, and that's it. Like it just kind of freshenes up the vibe essentially in the clubhouse, which, I mean, that's essentially what Jerry Depoto has said was the goal in making this decision now,

Starting point is 00:20:05 was to change the voice in the clubhouse. But when it comes from an actual philosophical discussion and how we want to actually play baseball and all that stuff, I just, I don't think that you can change that on the fly. You might be able to tweak a little thing here and there over these. last five weeks, but I think Dan Wilson's real like, real like first shot to start to change culture and start to, is going to be in spring training next year. I just think that, you know, this is a team that's while it's still pretty young, it is full of young veterans. And it's really tough to ask them to, hey, all that stuff we were doing before, scrap it. We're not doing it anymore.

Starting point is 00:20:47 Because at this stage, you have very little to lose your odds in making the playoffs are basically zero at this stage now. But, you know, it's still, you don't want to make things worse. You don't want to get in players' heads or anything like that. So it'll be interesting to see what happens, you know, with Dan, obviously. And Edgar, you know, how much difference can he make in a five-week stretch? Probably none. Remember how excited people were about what's his name?

Starting point is 00:21:17 I don't even remember his name anymore. Fire earlier. Yeah, like, oh man, look, they were great for a week after. And then they went right back to striking out too much, right back to not enough contact, blah, blah, blah, blah. So can't Edgar change that? Probably not. I mean, he's not a miracle worker, although track record, at least based on how we, the only way we can judge him as a hitting coach. Sure.

Starting point is 00:21:40 Pretty good the last time he was here. So we'll see. It's just the thing that I'm still hung up on is the timeline of this and how this whole situation was handled. I think the only way the timeline really makes sense is if John Stanton, essentially, started this process weeks ago, found Dan or, you know, found that Dan would be the guy that he would want and basically started to inform Jerry that like, hey, you know, I'm thinking about making a change here. I'm thinking about, you know, and I'll let you, I'll keep you in in the loop. And then it would kind of make sense to me that John would be like, Jerry would do his interview yesterday. And then John would, or the interview was probably a few days ago.

Starting point is 00:22:27 But then John would be like, hey, Jerry, just so you know, I'm going to make this call on the off day. And Jerry's like, I've already done the interview. It's out there. It's public now. So would it be shock anybody if John Stanton literally left Depoto out of the loop so much that he pulled the rug out from under him at the worst time? No, because he's literally done it three off seasons in a row. Yeah. So I'm not saying Jerry's blameless in this.

Starting point is 00:22:52 He's absolutely. No, no, no. We need to get into that. We'll talk about that in a second. Yeah. But I think the initial decision or I think why this broke down the way it did, I think it's because John Stanton was pushing for something not necessarily behind Jerry's back, but that Jerry wasn't brought in on the decision-making process until later.

Starting point is 00:23:12 And we'll probably never know that, probably too late, when he was brought in to stop anything. but we'll probably never know that because as Jerry does anything really well, it's he takes arrows for his owner really, really well. Like he'll take the brunt of all the blame for how this was handled and some of it's deserved. I don't think this particular part of it is that deserved. I would not be shocked at all. It's very easy for me to believe that Stanton was kind of working behind Jerry's back

Starting point is 00:23:41 and making the decision here. And then, you know, the timing of it all was just a giant mess up by Stanton. But the way the news was. delivered that still lost me. So we'll get into that in just a second. But first a reminder, this episode of the Lockdown Marys podcast is brought to you by Tonal. For those of us who thrive on getting stuff done, including workouts, every minute counts.

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Starting point is 00:25:20 Giants, you can catch all the action on the Marriss Hometown Broadcast with SiriusXM via the XXM app. All you have to do to find that is search the word Marriers. So let's get into my biggest issue with how all of this was handled. Well, first and foremost, I want to say, I have no issue with the Mariner's firing Scott Service. Okay? Like, let's make that clear, right?

Starting point is 00:25:47 I am never going to be the one that just comes out and says, fire. this guy, fire that guy, unless they do something that goes over the line, something that goes beyond sports, right? I want to try and handle this and do these shows, even though that I'm a fan as professionally as possible, and I'm not going to just call for people's jobs. But I have pretty consistently said over the last few months, as this thing has continued to snowball for the mirrors, that it's sports, right? At the end of the day, a team's failures are going to reflect on the people that put the team together and spearhead the team right managers coaches gms presidents of baseball football basketball whatever operations right at the end of the day you continue to fail and now you know you look at what happened last year after ending in the drought and then this year you blow the 10 game lead at record pace, yada, yada, yada, yada, all the things that we've talked about, that's going to reflect poorly. That is going to ultimately fall on the shoulders of the guys that are, you know, the of the organization.

Starting point is 00:27:06 So this didn't come as a surprise, and I'm not critical of the mirrors for making this decision. I'm not. I really, really am not. Whether there's a nuance, you know, there's nuance to this discussion and all that stuff. And was Scott actually to blame all that? There's a lot of stuff to talk about there. But at the end of the day, this is sports. This is entertainment. This is ultimately what happens when a team fails to meet expectations. That's just the reality of it.

Starting point is 00:27:34 But I hate, hate, hate the way that this was handled. Absolutely hate it. It had been floating around for, I don't know, 20 or so minutes before the press conference. that oh Scott didn't know right he found out the same way we did right he read the article or he saw it on TV or something like that right and then Jerry de potto just outright said it to the public like they didn't try to sweep that out of the rug or anything he just outright just said he just told people like we we didn't tell Scott like Scott found out through other means

Starting point is 00:28:17 how is it that Ken Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal found out and had enough time to write an entire article about it before the guy who got fired found out about it how was this decision made and no one thought to immediately tell the guy that they decided to fire who the decision was all about hey, you've been fired, right?

Starting point is 00:28:50 How did that not happen immediately once the decision was finalized? Once you have Dan Wilson in place, once you know this is happening, that the first thing you did, or how is it that the first thing you did was not telling Scott service, how did that happen? And if you're Jerry to Poto, right, whether Jerry decided this, whether he, you know, whatever, right he knew about it he absolutely obviously knew about it how is his first thought not to tell scott service and if his first thought was to tell scott service but he was told not to like he was instructed not to tell scott why why yeah um the news broke around 10 10 30 right this morning

Starting point is 00:29:42 um so you just kind of trying to think logically here I'm not quite sure how long the flight from L.A. to Seattle is, but my guess is that Scott didn't get in into town and didn't get back home until probably, I don't know, two in the morning or something like that. So I think the thing that you would do normally is you would call the guy, say, hey, we need to talk to you tomorrow, be here at this time. And it sounds like the Mariners did do that. Like they were going to talk to Scott today. And according to DePoto, the. the news broke a couple hours before they were scheduled to meet with him. So my guess is, right, is that like they were going to talk to him at about noon or whatever,

Starting point is 00:30:26 and then they were going to, you just kind of follow through here. The official announcement comes at about 3.3.30. So I think, you know, they had a plan in place, but obviously it gets leaked sooner than that. Scott, you know, because they played a night game last night, because they got in late, he probably wasn't going to be in the office that early. but I think at that point you have to you have to call and be like look Scott not gonna

Starting point is 00:30:53 you know you know you know what our meeting is about right and you know it it's we still want to we still want to hear from you we still you know want to do this in person but we would rather you find out this way right than from getting a social media alert on your phone so you know the meeting is about your termination

Starting point is 00:31:12 blah blah and all that so you know just poorly handled just logistically speaking that's my guess as to what happened is that a late late night game getting in late you know all kind of contributed to a later meeting than they would normally have

Starting point is 00:31:27 and then unfortunately the news leaks and boom and it you know it's still not handled well and it's still ultimately on Jerry we think again I will not put anything past John Stan ever in terms of scuminess but yeah I think ultimately

Starting point is 00:31:44 you know, Jerry, Jerry wore it today like he's going to every single time, but Jerry wears it every single time, but the ownership screws up. So again, I'm still not willing to put this past ownership. I'm still not willing to put this past ownership leaking either. But, you know, it just, in a way, whoever, whoever, however, it doesn't matter, it sucks. And it is a really, really lame thing to do to Scott,

Starting point is 00:32:06 who has been, you know, incredible in the community. He's been incredible, you know, in the clubhouse and all that stuff. you know obviously he's going to have some haters he's going to have some detractors fine whatever but overall good guy good man cares about his players did a lot of good for your organization he he deserves better than this yes yeah absolutely absolutely yeah it's it's nasty work absolutely 100% terrible like this is not at all how this should have been handled right and this isn't the first time this has happened even recently like tie france found out the same way that he was gone as well So I don't know why this continues to happen. And I cannot whatsoever figure out why this team just absolutely utterly refuses to just be normal. I'd be careful here because I do think this is more and more commonplace where teams and or players and all that, they find out things on Twitter now before they,

Starting point is 00:33:11 because things get leaked before they're official, right? Still, Ken Rosenthal knew before Scott service. I get it, but we need to stop pretending this is just a mariner thing. Bobby Wagner found out the Seahawks released him from Adam Schafter. I know, and he's his own agent and all that. Yeah, I get it. Stuff happens with even like organizations that we would all agree are like really good at this stuff. Right.

Starting point is 00:33:33 This stuff still happens. So just be careful to be like, the Mariners are the only team that could screw this up. No. No. But with all the other things, with all the other things, with all the other bad. other bad PR moments for the marriage, especially in the last calendar year. How were you this bad at this? I don't know, man.

Starting point is 00:33:52 But like I said, I laid out what I think probably happened. Does it matter? Not really. You still screwed up. But I think, you know, my theory of why this leaked sooner than they could tell Scott, I think it's pretty accurate. So if you're looking for an actual like guesstimate or estimation of how this happened in the timeline in which it happened it's probably pretty accurate that way does it matter no no it doesn't it doesn't

Starting point is 00:34:20 because at the end of the day i mean like like jerry said it was it made it already you know i don't know what his exact wording was but it made an already uncomfortable discussion even that much more uncomfortable discussion that much more difficult and it's very clear scott is pissed about this and scott put out a statement and thank to literally everyone but But Jerry DePoto and Justin Hollander. I don't know if you think John Stan. He said ownership. He gave him like 15 words.

Starting point is 00:34:50 Right. So. So yeah. I totally understand why Scott would feel that way. Especially with someone that he was teammates with, was co-workers with for a long time. Absolutely considered to be a friend now. I have heard,

Starting point is 00:35:07 and I'm not sure if this is accurate or not, that that relationship hasn't been as great between Scott. and Jerry over the last few years, but still. Typically speaking, relationships between head coaches and GMs is, is not been that great. Right. So I don't know if that's uncommon. Right. And Scott has obviously had to deal with a lot of things that are not necessarily his fault.

Starting point is 00:35:30 Right. Right. So yeah, I just saying like, first of all, I don't know how many times friends like Scott and and Jerry work together, like as closely as they have. But I would say that, like, it's not uncommon. comment here friction between front office and management because again management makes the moves and or front office makes the moves and management has to deal with it. They have to pick up the pieces, right? And so that can obviously fracture and all of that stuff. So hopefully, you know,

Starting point is 00:35:57 at the end of the day, pretty raw right now. I'm sure Scott is. You know, hopefully Scott will at some point in time reach a level of what's the word? I just hope that Scott, you know, looks back fondly overall on his time in Seattle. And I think he will. Right now it's Ross. So right now he's upset. And I know he said some nice things about, you know, the fan base and the city and all that stuff. And it was, it was appreciated.

Starting point is 00:36:26 But I do think ultimately at the end of the day, Scott will look back on his time in Seattle. He'll think of it fondly. And I do think he'll return at some point to kind of, you know, take his rightful place in Mariner's history as, you know, one of the one of the good guys and one of the best man, probably the second best manager in Mariners history. So, yeah, you know, things are raw right now. So I don't read too much into the statement. I don't read too much into him not mentioning Jerry and Justin.

Starting point is 00:36:51 But also, I don't really care if he doesn't want to. It's his statement. And I don't blame him with the way that this was handled. Absolutely not. That's going to do it for our show. But before we get out of here, a reminder that Lockdown has launched the first ever national sports 24-7 streaming channel on YouTube. And now it's also available on Amazon Fire TV and the free Fire TV channels app.

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