Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Are the Mariners in Need of a New Third Baseman?

Episode Date: October 13, 2023

Colby and Ty dish out their 2023 grade for Eugenio Suárez, discuss an unlikely but potentially thought-provoking trade idea involving Suárez, and look at new Mariners reliever Kaleb Ort.Follow the s...how on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!Jase MedicalSave more than $360 by getting these lifesaving antibiotics with Jase Medical plus an additional $20 off by using code LOCKEDON at checkout on jasemedical.com.  eBay MotorsKeep your ride-or-die alive at ebay.com/motors. eBay Guaranteed Fit only available to US customers. Eligible items only. Exclusions apply.GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONMLB for $20 off your first purchase.FanDuelMake Every Moment More.Make Every Moment More. Right now, NEW customers can bet FIVE DOLLARS and get TWO HUNDRED in BONUS BETS - GUARANTEED. Visit FanDuel.com/LOCKEDON to get started.SleeperDownload the Sleeper app and use promo code LOCKEDON and you'll get up to a $100 match on your first deposit. Terms and conditions apply. See Sleeper’s Terms of Use for details. Currently operational in over 30 states. Check out Sleeper today!FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 On today's episode of Locked-on Mariners, we're going to hand out a grade to A. Eugenio-Swarres and discuss a pretty unhinged trade idea we cooked up on our Patreon show yesterday. Plus, the Mariners made a move this morning. Chills. Let's talk about it. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on podcast network, your team every day. Ahoy, sailors. It is Friday, October 13th, 2020. This is Tadang Gazzalas and Colby Patnaud for the Locked on Mariners podcast. Thank you so much for making us your first listen, subscribe, like, and turn on alerts if you're watching on YouTube or subscribe and leave a five-star review on your preferred podcast platform if you like what you hear. And if you're part of the crew and rock with us every single day, let us know in the comments below. And if you want to hear from us even more, please consider sending up for our Patreon. You can now get a free seven-day trial to check out the show. The link as well as our social accounts is in the description of this episode. On the show today, we'll be handing out a grade to A. E. E. E. E. Henio Suarez for his 2023 season. And we're going to discuss a pretty wild trade idea that we just want to put out there, have some fun. It's not going to have them, but you think it's kind of interesting. But before we do, Colby,
Starting point is 00:01:21 we have kind of news to talk about chills, right? Chills? No. Per Red Sox beat reporter Chris Cotillo, the Mariners have claimed Caleb Oort off of waivers from Boston. He is a 31-year-old right-handed reliever who his season ended abruptly due to an elbow injury, went 23-innings pitch this year, 9-3-9, 352 walks per 9, 6-26 ERA, 5.6.E.R.A. He was worth negative 0.2F4, but it's a waiver claim and it's a reliever waiver claim in the very, very, very early stages of the off season, which, you know, with the Mariners, you always got to pay attention to. So Colby, is there something here, anything? A guy who's going to get non-tendered or waived in the next three weeks.
Starting point is 00:02:17 Like, that's about it. I mean, but you could have said that about Issa McGee, who obviously had a big impact on this team in 2023. Yeah. You could have. You could have said that about Luke Weaver, which ended up being the case. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:36 So, no, there is nothing here. It's a 95, 96 mile an hour fastball and a slider that generates whiffs, but also, you know, got torch to the tune of an 8.000. 800 slugging percentage. Ooh, that is not very good. Fastball slider. He did generate whiffs on the slider, 32% whiff rate on that pitch. You know, and the VLO is nice, but it's not plus extension. As far as I can tell, it's not, you know, plus ride or run on the heater or anything like that.
Starting point is 00:03:07 And the numbers would tend to back that up. It's pretty much a two pitch guy. And, you know, he doesn't throw a ton of strikes. It's not a huge weakness of his, but he's just a dude. I mean, he's Ryan Jensen, who is a mariner, by the way. I don't know if you know that. And the fact that you didn't know that, you, the listener, tells you everything you need to know about who this guy is. You didn't even know that guy was in the org and you won't even know this guy is.
Starting point is 00:03:37 So he's just a dude, you know, we'll see what the Mariners think they can do with them if they even get the shot. My guess is he's amongst those cut or DFA when, you know, they have to add all the 40-day IL guys back to the roster. Then they try and sign him to a minor league deal. Can't imagine there's going to be a lot of competition there. But yeah, he's just a dude. Like there's nothing that jumps. It's a fastball. It's a slider. The slider has promised, but hasn't been good, period. And he throws kind of hard, but it's not an elite fastball either. So just middle relief profile. And he's 30 one. Or he could be the next top 15 reliever and all of baseball developed by the Seattle Mariners organization late in his career named the last person they did that too paul seewald that's the only one top 15 yeah it's only
Starting point is 00:04:32 paul yeah yeah it's only fall i was trying i was trying to think of something else to stump you here but i have nothing i have nothing this is just uh you know your run-of-the-mill waiver ad nothing else to see here really i mean like you hope he's justin topa but Topa's better. Yeah. Better track record than this guy's ever had. He's also coming off of an elbow injury. I don't know what the significance of that elbow injury is,
Starting point is 00:04:56 but yeah, just looking at the profile overall, it doesn't seem that promising. Would be fairly surprised if he's on the right roster come spring training. But this is just the natural roster turn, especially, you know,
Starting point is 00:05:09 here on October 13th, 20, 23. So if it becomes something more, you know, we'll keep an eye on it. But for now, it doesn't really.
Starting point is 00:05:18 like anything will come of this. Yeah, and it came at the expense of friend of the show, Brian O'Keefe. Oh, I did not see that. Yes, he is the one who was DFA, not, you know, Ryan Jensen, not Dominic Lear. Weird. Yeah, so,
Starting point is 00:05:34 uh, I assume they plan on offering O'Keefe, Keith, Keith another minor league deal. Um, but, uh, you know,
Starting point is 00:05:42 Seattle probably can and should look to upgrade that, uh, catcher three spot in the, in the, in the organization with somebody a little more upside, like perhaps one Joey Bart. But yeah, I imagine O'Keefe will be back on a minor league deal.
Starting point is 00:05:57 His name is Luis Trenz, Colby. Not at $1.3 million. Non-tendorum, give him a smaller contract, or do you just land on a smaller number in arbitration? No. Louis Terenz, maybe. This is coming from the number one Luis Terenz fan, Colby Patnout, who has a Luis Terenz foul ball
Starting point is 00:06:19 from the clenching game. Yeah. Turns into that at bat with the base set. Yes, it was like a 12 pitch at bat. Mm-hmm. Wow. All right. Let's move on to our report card.
Starting point is 00:06:32 We're going to be talking about A Eugenio Swar has given him a grade for his 20-23 season in just a moment. First, a reminder of this episode of the Lockdown Merritt is brought to you by Sleeper. All right. All right, folks, the MLB playoffs are right around the corner, which means the clock is ticking on your chance
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Starting point is 00:07:22 Check out Sleeper today. And you're listening to the Lockdown Mariners podcast. Thank you again for making us your first to listen. So we're going to continue our report card series here on the Lockdown Marrars podcast. Looking back on the Mariners' 2023 season and going through individual players and how their seasons went. And now we're landing on A. Eugenio Swords. We did second base yesterday. We went through Josh Rojas and Colton.
Starting point is 00:07:49 Wong and Dillamore and Jose Caballero. He did tie France and Mike Ford the other day. We did Cal Raleigh and Tom Murphy. Now it's Gino's turn. Gino on the year offensively, 232, 323, 391. That's this triple slash line on the year. That's batting average on base percentage and slugging percentage in that order.
Starting point is 00:08:07 102 WRC plus. He was worth 3.2 F war. We'll get to that and why that number was still so high in just a moment. 30.8% K rate, which is actually 0.4.4. down from where it was in 2022. His walk rate did fall about one and a half percent down to 10.1 percent. He slugged 22 home runs, 96 RBI, even had a couple of steals on the year. But the defense was really doing the heavy lifting in terms of his value this year.
Starting point is 00:08:40 He was one of the best defensive third baseman in the league. I think he has a real shot to compete for a gold glove. I don't know if he'll actually win it. but I think he's certainly deserving. He had a great year defensively, but offensively speaking, while the batting average is only four points below what it was in 2022, and the on-base percentage is only nine points below what it was in 2022.
Starting point is 00:09:04 The slugging percentage was significantly down about 60 points for Gino this year. He had some bad luck, but also just wasn't able to provide any sort of consistency in the middle of the Mariners lineup. So, Colby, how do you feel about Gino's 20s? 23 season to C plus B minus maybe like three wins is three wins that that's a good number and obviously you know the RBI is totally fine and the average and the on base percentage are about in line with
Starting point is 00:09:33 kind of what you'd expect but that slugging percentage is a massive problem uh and it's kind of the reason that you rated for Gino is to you know hit home runs and into post 450 slugging and and, you know, do all that stuff. So it's nice that in a year where he didn't really slug that he still found a way to help you, but it's not what you pay him for. It's not the role that he needs to fill on this team. So, you know, it's a little bit of that as combined with Ty France, giving you nothing in the power department that really makes that sting even more.
Starting point is 00:10:07 But at the end of the day, Gino, you know, I think C plus B minus based on what he was last year and what he was this. I would have much preferred last year's, you know, to this year's, even with the defense being. significantly better this year. So yeah, it's, you know, it's not a failure of a season. It, it wasn't really a good one. It was just kind of, it was solid. It was solid, you know, B minus work. And I think that's pretty much what it would be is C plus or B minus somewhere in that range.
Starting point is 00:10:36 Yeah, I'll go, I'll go C plus. Your third baseman has to post a slugging percentage above 400. Like, has to. Like, 391 isn't going to cut it. unless you're making up for it at a position that doesn't usually produce that kind of power. Right. You just, you just kind of flip the second base and third base production.
Starting point is 00:10:56 So a second baseman producing like a third baseman makes a third baseman producing like a second baseman. Yeah. Uh, easy. So like, well, we don't, you know, well,
Starting point is 00:11:06 we don't particularly subscribe to the idea of like, you have to fit this model to be this position. Uh, you do have to, you know, make up for that. If most of the league has a third baseman, who's hitting 30 home runs and yours is only hitting 15,
Starting point is 00:11:19 you have to make up for that somewhere else. So the overall, the lineup just has to work. You have to have guys to get on base, guys who hit for power. It doesn't really matter what position they play. It's just traditionally speaking. It's a lot easier to find guys who play in the corners who hit for power than it is to find guys who play up the middle that hit for power.
Starting point is 00:11:36 So that's why traditionally you want your first baseman, third basement, to hit a lot of home runs and doubles. And with Gino, he plays on the WBC. Ryan Davis says that he heard that he showed up a little heavy to camp and then ends up playing 162 games starting 161 of them. And I think we've said this over the last couple of shows that, you know, it's probably a byproduct of Scott Service not having enough depth on that roster and just going, well, Gino gives me the best shot to win. So I kind of just have to play Gino.
Starting point is 00:12:12 but at the end of the day, I think it negatively impacted Gino's season. I think that's pretty obvious. It looked like he was gassed at times visibly. And I'm not necessarily blaming Gino for that. And even if he did, you know, show up to camp a little bit heavy, I'm not really blaming his conditioning on that either.
Starting point is 00:12:33 I mean, most, like, pretty much every player in Major League Baseball should get at least a couple of days off over the course of a 162 game season. I don't think there's really any point for a, you know, a player to play more than 150 games in a season, which is essentially a day off every 10 to 14 days. Yeah. Like that's just, that's just smart, you know, and it's not, they just didn't even find a lot of DH days for them either. And it just, it just looked like a guy who was out of gas.
Starting point is 00:13:06 That's a lot of, you know, because the WBC is high leverage baseball. Like, so that is a ton of. like impactful serious baseball that is being played and and you know gino is not 24 years old anymore and even if he was it's still too much so yeah and if you get into the playoffs you're asking him to play another you know two to 16 games you know and he like you said he didn't get really any dh days he did he dh three times this year three times he played third base 159 times this year like it's unacceptable. It's unacceptable.
Starting point is 00:13:44 No matter what your depth situation is, they needed to get him more time off of his feet, whether he wanted that or not either. Like, you know, it's great that he wanted to do this and, you know, it's a cool accomplishment,
Starting point is 00:13:56 you know, in a vacuum. But overall, I think it hurt Gino and by virtue, hurt the team at the end of the day. So, um, yeah,
Starting point is 00:14:04 so, you know, if Gino's back next year, hopefully he's playing like 130-ish times in the field at most. And then getting D.H days and getting some days off of his feet entirely, sprinkled in there. So let's talk about a trade idea that you and I kind of cooked up out of nowhere
Starting point is 00:14:24 on our Patreon show yesterday, which may or may not involve the man that we just talked about. I'm going to go over that in just a moment. But first, a reminder of this episode of the Lockdown Airs podcast is brought to you by Fandul. October baseball is back, folks. and you can make your postseason debut with Fandul, America's number one sportsbook. Join Fandul today and you'll get started with $200 in bonus bets guaranteed when you place your first $5 bet.
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Starting point is 00:15:17 Make every moment more with Fandul official sports betting partner of Major League Baseball. And you're listening to the Lockdown Mariners podcast. Thank you again for making us your first listen. So listen, folks, it's October 13th. The Mariners didn't make the playoffs. There's really nothing that they can do outside of adding guys like Caleb Oort until, you know, five days after the World Series, which is, is going to be some time in the second week of November,
Starting point is 00:15:44 late in the first week of November. So we've been throwing out trade ideas. We love roster building. You know, you know us, and you know what we like to do here for the most part. We love the off season. And Colby's been throwing out some trade ideas on the Twitter account, having you guys vote on the polls.
Starting point is 00:16:00 And we spent a decent amount of time on our Patreon show yesterday, patreon.com forward slash control the zone, just kind of throwing out some trade ideas or throwing out some names that we think could be possible trying to think outside the box, et cetera. And so when we were thinking outside the box, it did come up with one idea. And look, this is, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on real fast.
Starting point is 00:16:22 You came up with the trade. I came up with like, oh, this is kind of an interesting idea. And then you're like, oh, well, this trade could make that happen. Right. Okay. All right. You came up with the name. All right.
Starting point is 00:16:34 It's like my target idea, like surprise target. Sure. Sure. Sure. So if you hate the trade, it's Tye's fault. Right. If you like the, the player that I'm talking about,
Starting point is 00:16:44 like, that's all me. It's, all right. So let's preface this by saying, like, this is not going to happen. It's not going to happen.
Starting point is 00:16:50 But let's just, let's just throw it out there. Let's let you guys just kind of think it over, mull it over. So the Mariners need a corner outfielder to replace Tayosker and it. It doesn't seem like Teos coming back. So the marins are going to need to go out and get a corner outfielder.
Starting point is 00:17:06 The Blue Jays are most likely going to bid farewell to Matt Chapman who's becoming a free agent this off season so they might need a third basement now they do have Santiago Espional and Kevin Vigio who could ban that position but they probably should not do that they probably should
Starting point is 00:17:25 add someone else yeah so Colby yesterday on the Patreon show mentioned George Springer and I was like well George Springer is making money who on the Mariners is making money where you could like kind of contract swap it but also
Starting point is 00:17:40 to address a couple of needs on both teams. A Eugenio Svarez is making a little bit of money. A Eugenio Svarez is due $11 million this year, or 2024. He has a, what, a $15 million club option in 2025. George Springer has three years left on his deal. He's making about $24 million per. What if they essentially swap those contracts? It's not a perfect contract swap, but.
Starting point is 00:18:10 and there's probably other pieces that would have to be involved here, but just on the surface, on the surface, Colby, what do you think about George Springer and the Mariners? And then A Eugenio Soros is going to Toronto. And we'll talk about like what you would have to do after that and all that in a second. But just in a vacuum,
Starting point is 00:18:30 what do you think about that deal? Well, I really like the, uh, George Springer idea because, you know, that seems like a unique name that nobody's brought up before. And like,
Starting point is 00:18:39 We know that the Blue Jays don't have endless amounts of money. And we know that they're working very hard to sign Bo and Vlad to their extensions. And they have pitching issues and they have, you know, issues at third base. They're losing quite a few key contributors off of this team this year. They got a lot of holes to fill. So I feel like maybe George Springer and his inflated salary is something that they would consider moving. So Springer, you know, he played in 150 some odd games this year. but he really battled through some nagging injuries throughout the year.
Starting point is 00:19:12 Still posted, you know, a 2020 season. The numbers themselves were fine, but just a 2.2 win player, uh, center field just like it's not. It's time. He's 34 years old. Um, so I think his fit in left field or right field in Seattle is actually pretty good. You know, he's got right handed power. We know that.
Starting point is 00:19:33 It plays at T-Mobile Park. We already know that. Um, he is played in a ton of playoff baseball. he's produced along the way he was really good player last year he was really good the year before that so this is kind of the first year yes the age is a concern he's 34 so typically bat speed you know foot speed you lose a little bit of that um but again we're talking about a guy who you know most years is a 125 wRC plus a pretty good leadership skills and clubhouse guy from what we know plenty of playoff
Starting point is 00:20:07 experience. I think Springer is kind of a fun little like hey, you know, is that a guy nobody's talking about who could be available via trade? Yeah, I think it could be. And I think that you know, I don't know if
Starting point is 00:20:22 I don't know if Gino is the right guy to make that trade. You might not need to trade any big leaguers. But you know, I do think that third base is a position that the Blue Jays need to go out in a dress and it's not a good market whatsoever. Like Chapman is literally the only everyday third baseman on the market. So yeah. Yeah, I mean, they could just sign Chapman, but then they're probably
Starting point is 00:20:47 saying goodbye to Belt and Merrifield and maybe depending on how long the contract is, maybe they're saying goodbye to, uh, you know, maybe they're saying goodbye to Vlad or or Bo or somebody like that or you know, like Gossman or whoever, right? It doesn't really matter. Um, so. yeah, I do think that it's like interesting and, you know, this is kind of the show that that kind of gave birth to the whole idea of like, hey, a reliever for Teosca Hernandez. So who came up with that idea? We both did. You were specific on Swanson though.
Starting point is 00:21:25 No, I didn't say Swanson. I said Chris Fleckton. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. You said you were way off.
Starting point is 00:21:32 It was flex. I think it was flexed and Murphy for Teo. Yeah. you were way off. But whatever. Penn Murphy, by the way, not Tom.
Starting point is 00:21:40 Yeah, yeah. But yeah, so, you know, Toronto and Seattle, they will trade with each other. You know,
Starting point is 00:21:44 there's a bit of a rivalry. Like, they'll trade with each other. And, and, uh, so I like the idea of George, the problem I have with trading,
Starting point is 00:21:54 uh, Gino is what I just talked about. Like, there are no good third basement. Where this deal is probably dead on arrival is that, it's just easier to go get corner outfield help than it is third base, especially this year, even in this market. Like there's going to be corner outfielders out there that you can go get.
Starting point is 00:22:11 Whereas at third base, I mean, I think at that point, if they did trade Gino, you and I are getting on the show and pounding the table for Jamir Candelario. Candelario doesn't seem like a third baseman anymore. But what's the other option? That's what I'm saying. There isn't one. You have to go trade for another third baseman.
Starting point is 00:22:33 or you have to sign Matt Chapman. And frankly, I'd rather just keep Gino and sign Lordus Gurriel than trade Gino sign Chapman and acquire, you know, Springer. Like, yeah. So, yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:45 But, no, I actually, I like the Springer idea. I do. Yeah. You know, just a matter of, does it work with money and probably not as a prospects only? That doesn't really make a lot of sense for Toronto. It's just tough to find a deal there.
Starting point is 00:23:00 Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Trying to wrap my head around it. I feel like the only deal that Toronto would be open to is if they were getting Gino back. Yeah. And it's just like, I mean, do the Mariners want to see if they could pry Michael Garcia away from the Royals or something like that? Or do they want to see if they can get Cabin Bizio in this deal? Or they do have Josh Rojas, who is better at third than he is at second.
Starting point is 00:23:24 But now you have to go find a second basement, which is hard. And again, going back to our conversation earlier, if you, if you are able to make up for it at second base, if you're able to make up for like what Josh Rojas lacks and maybe power output. I mean, he can hit for a little bit of power. But if you can make up for that at second base or another position, then yeah, you can make that work in theory. But you know who a second baseman who hits for power is, Ty? Who, Colby?
Starting point is 00:23:51 Jazz Chisholm. Boom. Figure it out. Go to Twitter. Go check out the poll that Colby posted today. Yeah. By the way, just you guys will notice that. Ty and I have not once mentioned that George is a former Astro who is on that cheating team.
Starting point is 00:24:08 And that is because we do not care. I did put it on here, a former foe turned friend. Yeah. But I do not care. I just don't. I want to win. And honestly, to be, you know, fully transparent, I've been a huge fan of George Springer, like the person for a long time and ballplay.
Starting point is 00:24:26 So yeah. A little bit of this is like, oh, I've always wanted that guy on my team and now I might have a shot to get him. Cool. so but I also think he's still a quality baseball player and is he worth $25 million a year no but that's probably why he's available or why he might be available and for the first year if you did trade you know if you're looking at just like the salary swaps of like 11 million bucks george springer essentially becomes like a 14 million dollar player for you or a 13 million player for you for the first year right and so plus you know maybe toronto needs some money i
Starting point is 00:25:00 I don't know. I think it's an interesting idea. And again, we're October 13th. We have at least a month before any like real trade talk can start. Although I did hear that the Mariners are already pretty deep in some trade talks with a handful of teams. And that's to be expected. So hopefully that's a sign that the Mariners are going to come out of the gates swinging because I think they need to, you know, be aggressive early. You got to set the tone.
Starting point is 00:25:26 Yeah, you got to set the tone. So I hope that's what we see. and you know, you remember, I think it was, was Jerry's first year here? It was only a couple days into the offseason that he swung the Brad Miller for Logan Morrison trade. So it's not like- For Logan Morrison?
Starting point is 00:25:43 No, it was Brad Miller and Logan Morrison and Danny Farquhar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To the race. To Tampa for- For- Give me a second, give me a second. I know all three off the top of the bet. Is this one of the deals that Ruff Snyder was involved in
Starting point is 00:25:59 or Riffin-W? Riffhouser or whatever. Yeah, Riefenhouser. C.J. Riefenhouser. That's so funny that that's the first guy that you named. Well, just because they acquired him twice. I don't know if you saw,
Starting point is 00:26:11 I don't know if you saw Jerry on, uh, Sustis Barbecue like a couple years ago. They asked him about that trade if he could remember that trade. And C.J. Riefenhouser was the one guy he could not name. So it's really funny that you remembered C.J. Sure. Sure.
Starting point is 00:26:25 Of course I do. That wasn't. No, Malick Smith was a different trade with her. There was so many. That was like a year later or two years later. Yeah. There are so many trades early with the race. Is Boog Powell in that deal?
Starting point is 00:26:38 Actually, that was like four years later. Boog Powell was, yeah. And that's right. Yes. And so there was one other guy. Is it Taylor Motter? Nope. Nope.
Starting point is 00:26:48 So there were a lot of early trades between those two teams. This is going to give it away. But he was traded for Gerard Dyson later on. Oh, Nate Carnes. yeah yeah yeah okay it was Nate Carnes Boog Powell CJ refinal I thought that was a completely separate deal that's like I was like I know
Starting point is 00:27:08 they traded for Carnes pretty early on but I think that was in like 2017 but yep yeah there you go that's been Mariners trade trivia Colby and Ty what was the trade that happened the night before Thanksgiving that was Jean Sigur and Mitch Hanager
Starting point is 00:27:25 four four Cate and Taiwan Walker you're missing a piece am I? Yes you are. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Zach Curtis. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:27:36 And. Was there someone else with that deal? Yeah. A certain left-handed pitcher. Huh? Mm-hmm. Hold on. Hold on. What?
Starting point is 00:27:55 Left-handed pitcher from going from the Mariners to the Diamondbacks? I'm messing with you, man. Oh, you're messing with me? Oh, okay. No. That was not the other deal where, Reffenhauser or whatever Reefenhauser. Yeah. Oh, were you trying to, were you trying to hint that of a
Starting point is 00:28:10 CJ Reefenhouser was on that deal? Yeah, I was trying to get you to bite on that. Didn't land. No, clearly not. That was in 2017, 2016, right? 2016. Thanksgiving, 2016. Yeah, that was so it was right after the, the booopal, Nate Carnes trade. Yep. All right, we're doing that thing where we're naming some guys.
Starting point is 00:28:31 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a By the way, Riffenhouser was traded to Baltimore. Yes, originally. Yeah. For he didn't go alone. I could not tell you who he went with. You could probably tell me who came back because it was. Oh, it was the Clevenger deal?
Starting point is 00:29:00 So, oh, so it was Trumbo and Reefenhauser for Clevenger. Okay. I kind of had a feeling that it was. was that it was that deal but I wasn't entirely sure yeah that makes them yeah because that was the same off season that was like a month later or something that they did that that that was like right after they signed kuma back and then they had to dump payroll uh that trade was in December of 2015 so yeah so it was right after they got it was less than it was less than a month after they acquired him yeah yeah yeah i think i think it was a sign kuma which was a surprise because like
Starting point is 00:29:34 he was agreed with L.A. That was at the Christmas party. Yeah. And I think like a couple days later, they traded Trumbo for payroll purposes, right? I think you have those flipped, but yeah. Really? All right. I'm pretty sure, but whatever. No matter.
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