Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - BREAKING: Scott Servais Reportedly Fired, Mariners to Name Dan Wilson as Interim Manager

Starting point is 00:00:00 Per reports, the Marriers have fired longtime manager Scott's service. Our reaction to the news coming up here on the Lockdown Marers podcast. Colby, hit it. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariner's podcast. Part of the Locked on podcast network, your team every day. Oh, Hoy, Sailors. It is Thursday, August 22nd, 2024.

Starting point is 00:00:28 This is heading as on us and Colby Patnode for the Lockdown Marys podcast. Part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. according to Ken Rosenthal of the athletic, the Mariners have fired longtime manager Scott's service and will name Mariners Hall of Famer Dan Wilson as the interim manager for the remainder of the year. Got a lot to talk about. But before we get into it all,

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Starting point is 00:01:24 Things like this can happen. And it's happened. Now I am a bit surprised considering what we talked about yesterday. his contracts up at the end of the year you could just choose not to retain him you could let this rock for the rest of the year I thought they were going to do that but no they they've gone ahead

Starting point is 00:01:43 and they've reportedly fired Scott's service this has also been corroborated by Ryan Dibbish of the Seattle Times he's now reporting the same thing as Rosenthal so it's all but confirmed at this point there's supposed to be an official announcement by the team later today

Starting point is 00:02:01 that might happen by the time you're listening to this we'll see. So stunned isn't necessarily the right word. Sad isn't necessarily the right word. But I would just say that it really sucks that we've gotten to this point with the mayor's organization. And this is a point we've gotten to with a lot of Seattle sports teams over the last

Starting point is 00:02:30 seven, eight-ish months peak. Carroll, obviously essentially fired by the Seattle Seahawks, even though they didn't call it that. That's what happened. Dave Haxstall fired by the Cracken. Kaelin DeBore leaves Udub. Hopkins gets fired from Udub men's basketball. Been a lot of turnover on coaching staffs in the city of Seattle this year. Scott Service now the latest.

Starting point is 00:02:57 We're going to get into the, to the Dan Wilson aspect of this a little later on in the show. But Colby, your reaction, Scott's service, getting fired. Yeah, I would say I'm bummed. Like, it's, it is a bit of a sad day because, you know, Scott for all of his, you know, flaws, and he certainly wasn't a perfect manager. That doesn't exist. Second winningness manager in franchise history. Second longest tenured manager in franchise history.

Starting point is 00:03:30 He oversaw an incredibly important part. of, you know, of the franchise. And, and, you know, not only did he break the playoff drought, not only was he a part of that staff, but he also hung through the rebuild. And he, uh, rebuilt culture a couple different times. And, you know, he was always very, uh, very outspoken and supportive of his players, uh, of his coaching staff, uh, sometimes maybe to a fault, but, uh, he always had his guys back, you know, and, and so it's, it's kind of, it's sad. And, and, you know, I started covering this team in some form or fashion right around the time that that Scott was fired. So he's the only manager I've covered.

Starting point is 00:04:11 Hired. Yeah. He's the only manager that I've really covered. So yeah, it's a bummer. It really is because I think, you know, we can talk about whether or not this needed to happen or whether or not this was inevitable and all that stuff. But we can do it respectfully. We can do it without some of the name calling that we've seen. We can do it with the idea that, you know, there's a very good chance that Scott's service is one day going to end up in the Mariners Hall of Fame.

Starting point is 00:04:41 And we can say that he probably heard that. He probably deserved that. You know, you just, you don't even have to look back that far to see how much service means to a lot of players. Look at Victor Robles' comments when he signed his extension only, what, 10 days ago? Like, he loved that Scott let him be himself. and he was very appreciative of the culture that, you know, Scott's service had kind of cultivated. And it's not just Robles. You look at, you know, Julio, you look at JP, you look at Cal and these guys allowed to be

Starting point is 00:05:11 themselves and asked to be themselves. And, you know, the kind of positive vibes that that created for a very long time. And now just to see it kind of crash as quickly as it did, again, we can talk about whether or not it's deserved or earned or if they just it was just a move they had to make and all that stuff we talk about all that but at the end of the day uh scott service isn't the manager of the seattle mariners for the first time in almost nine full years uh it's it's a sad day and i i think you know it's easy to point to like oh well he bunted too much or oh well he didn't manage the bullpen well here blah blah blah at the end of the day uh this is the guy who uh not only uh you know

Starting point is 00:05:56 took the brunt of a lot of anger from fans over the last nine years. He saw this team through a rebuild, got broke through, ended the playoff drought, something that, you know, Bob Melvin didn't do, something that Eric Wedge didn't do, that Lloyd MacLendon didn't do. Don Wakamatsu. Yeah, he was the guy who did it. And he's also the guy that created a culture that is meant something to be a mariner.

Starting point is 00:06:24 It meant something different. And he decided to, you know, I play for the Mariners to be like, I'm a Seattle Mariner. And he made, he made something cool about that. And so, he was part of it at the very least. Scott Service helped cultivate an actual identity for the Seattle Mariner's, which they had sorely lacked for a long time. And in kind of a strange way, he kind of contributed to this. He raised the expectation of us, the Mariner fans, to the point where he was fired today. because what happens, what's happening on the field isn't acceptable to us anymore, where when you look at the, the Wedge area, you look at the McClendon era, this would just be like, oh, that's just the Mariners, whatever. And it's not that we didn't ask for those people to be fired. It's not that they didn't deserve to be fired, but it's just, imagine like the resume that Scott's put up for the last four years. Imagine if Wakamatsu had done that or a wedge had done that. And then, you know, and then we're fired. Like it's just, it's different. He has raised the bar, I think, of this fan base.

Starting point is 00:07:23 And I hope that's part of his legacy that he has kind of raised what our expectation levels should be going forward. And I know there's cynics out there. He said he didn't do that for me. But I've seen plenty of people go from, oh, the same old mariners. They're never going to win to, you know, from app. They've gone from apathy to like anger. People actually expect success. They expect greatness of the organization.

Starting point is 00:07:48 They care. 2022 changed a lot, right? And it wasn't just ending the drought. it was ending the drought going into the playoffs actually winning a playoff series and then yeah you got with the best team in baseball yeah you got swept by the astros but you were right there on the doorstep in that series and you could taste it and that's what makes you know last year so painful that's what's made this year so painful because you know when when jeremy painia hit that home run in the 18th inning in seattle in game three of the a lDS you were thinking well we'll be back and

Starting point is 00:08:22 Right. We'll be back. And we haven't gotten there. And that's part of the reason that we're where we're at right now talking about Scott's service being fired. And you look at this clubhouse, right? The thing we've always talked about was Scott that has separated him as a manager is how he has handled the clubhouse, how he has been able to cultivate culture, right? And being able to maintain culture, right? and being able to elevate guys and let guys be the best version of themselves. And this year, from the outside looking in, that hasn't been as present.

Starting point is 00:09:02 We've heard a lot of players talk about a lack of urgency, a lack of energy in the clubhouse. And those are things that we haven't really heard about a Scott Service clubhouse more often than not. And so, you know, we heard Jerry DePoto talk about it yesterday in that article with Ken Rosenthal. who of course broke the news today that you know maybe it was time for a new voice right and that is probably at least part of the reason why it's dan wilson who's taken over and not one of the guys that's already on the coaching staff uh so we'll get into that in just a moment here but first a reminder of this episode of the lockdown airs podcast is brought to you by tonal for those of us who thrive on getting stuff done including workouts every minute counts that's why you need

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Starting point is 00:11:17 Dan Wilson is now the Mariner's interim. He is of course served as a special assignment coordinator for the Merrers and has been on the broadcast a lot, especially last year when Mike Blowers wasn't available. So you've heard from Dan a lot. And I've seen Dan's name come up a lot with people in the comments. And I've kind of likened this higher to the level of fan casting that was John Krasinski as Mr.

Starting point is 00:11:46 Fantastic and Dr. trains in the multiverse of madness because this uh it almost doesn't feel real because again so many i've seen so many fans say hey dan wilson should be the manager which that typically doesn't happen right yeah and grippy should be the hitting coach and jamie moyer should be the pitching coach and it's like that's all fantasy and honestly it's all garbage so uh that's where we are right now uh, Dan Wilson is now being tasked with bringing in a, what seems to be a much needed fresh voice,

Starting point is 00:12:20 new voice in the clubhouse. And as I said, you know, just a minute ago, I feel like that's, at least partly the reason that this isn't Christopher Negron, this is a maniacta.

Starting point is 00:12:34 This isn't, you know, Perry Hill, Pete Woodworth, Carson Vital, any of those guys that are currently on the, uh, the mayor's coaching staff.

Starting point is 00:12:42 that are part of, you know, the Scott service staff, right, that are taking over as interim manager here. So you feel the same way or do you think this might indicate that they just don't think Negron is the guy long term or they don't think act as the guy long term, etc. I think a good part of this is not wanting to move somebody off of their current role and have them kind of learn a new role. They kind of want to keep everybody where they're at. This late into the season, you know, it'd be a little tough to be like, oh, by the way, Maniaki, you're now manager, which means we need somebody to take over your responsibilities,

Starting point is 00:13:21 which means we need somebody to take over the person who's doing your responsibility and we need them to take over. And you just kind of get that chain reaction, right? So you just kind of put a guy at the top. And we know that the Mariners game plans and all that stuff is very collaborative, how they use the bullpen. It's very collaborative anyways. So they just kind of need a guy to pull the trick.

Starting point is 00:13:38 So they didn't necessarily need to, you know, disrupt everything when they could just swap out one guy essentially and keep everybody else in their roles that they've done all year. So I think it's mostly that. It is an interesting choice because Maniacda does have managerial experience, a lot of it. And has, you know, for quite a while been kind of a dark horse favorite of a lot of baseball writers and a lot of front office guys. They like Manny Act, they think he, given the right opportunity, could be a good manager.

Starting point is 00:14:14 And, you know, that's a pretty easy choice to make. And obviously, we know that the Mariners like Nogran a lot. They think he is a future manager. And odds are, he's probably on their short list of guys to interview this winter when they go to fill this job for real.

Starting point is 00:14:30 But again, do you want him to comment now with the interim tag? Or do you want, if you think you might hire him, do you want him to come in with a fresh, like, come in, but you could also argue that, hey, why not just give Nogran this five week, you know, on the job training if you think you might hire him. But possibly maybe Seattle doesn't want to hire Nogran, but they also want to keep him.

Starting point is 00:14:51 So they don't want to put him in a spotlight where he could, you know, win some games and all that stuff. So, yeah, it is an interesting decision. It really was going to be, if it was going to be somebody on the staff getting promoted, it was going to be ACTA or it was going to be Nogran. Those are the two that carry the most, you know, managerial traits, so to speak. Obviously, they weren't going to promote Jared to Hart to manager. I don't even if they thought he could be one day. That'd be hilarious. It's a PR thing that you can't take right now, though.

Starting point is 00:15:19 So, yeah, Dan is the guy who's been around the clubhouse the most. He's been around the org a lot. You know, this isn't one of those things where it's like, oh, it's Griffey and he pops up once during spring training and he goes to Everett once in a while. Like, no, this is, Dan, he's working with these guys in the minor league level. He's developed some great relationships with guys on the team. including Cal Raleigh. That's been mentioned a lot here as this whole thing has been reported. Right. Dan's there every spring training. He's he's been, you know, going to Everett, going to Modesto, going to Arkansas for years now. So somewhere along the way,

Starting point is 00:15:52 he's talked to pretty much everybody on this team and has some kind of a relationship with them. So from that sense, it makes a lot of sense. And obviously Dan, you know, longtime catcher in this league. That's kind of the favorite, you know, on the job training for managers is if you caught in the big leagues like Scott Service. We know that he's, you know, a pretty smart guy. It'll be interesting to see how he interprets information, like how he implements it. Don't really know if he's like heavily invested in the advanced analytics or whatever. But again, he is there to just kind of serve as, you know, just the manager, like literally the manager as his underlings.

Starting point is 00:16:30 I'm interested to see how much rain he actually has, right? Because we've talked about this. This is a collaborative effort that supplied to Scott's services as well. all, right? You know, Scott had the final say on things, but there are a lot of cooks in the kitchen. Now, does it become even more prevalent with Dan Wilson at the helm, or is he basically, it's just the same thing as Scott? Right. Um, you know, like ultimately Scott has to pull the trigger on the moves, but pretty much every move that was made in the Scott service era was more or less determined pregame, like, uh, you know, well in advance, essentially, because that's what, that's what they do. They go over the stats, they go over the numbers, they go over potential matchups off the bench.

Starting point is 00:17:13 And all this stuff is thought out. And it's, you know, well orchestrated in advance. And sometimes that, to me, that looks like that's to the detriment because I don't think Scott was a great improviser. So if things don't go right, you know, off the jump and you have to kind of change plans mid-course, I don't think Scott was particularly good at that. Is Dan going to be better at it? I don't know. I don't really know.

Starting point is 00:17:37 but what will be interesting to see is at the end when this is all over we'll see how it goes you know i don't know maybe the mariners win you know 11 of their next 13 and all of a sudden they're tied with the astros going into that series blah blah blah right like stranger things have happened i the cardinals what two years ago won like 14 games in a row at the end of the season to get into the playoffs like stuff can still happen it's unlikely but stuff can still happen there and if it does you are you are five back of the astros but the astros are about to go on a gauntlet of a schedule. So this is your opportunity.

Starting point is 00:18:11 This is your last chance. If you're going to do this, yeah, this is your last chance. Yeah, starting tonight with a four game set against the Orioles. They're facing Corvin Burns tonight. So, you know, it's you hope the Orioles win at least three or four. And then maybe you can win. Maybe you sweep the, the giants. And all of a sudden, you're, you know, you're two and a half back instead of five.

Starting point is 00:18:31 And at that point, it's a very real conversation because you're entering September. And it's, you know, oh, hey, we're within. three games and we got three games left against them, blah, blah, blah, but whatever. At the end of the day, we'll see if Dan Wilson is literally just here to write out the string or if they think he could be a legitimate candidate for the job long term. And so this interim tag may get removed if they like what he does or what he doesn't. So I think ultimately he's far enough removed from the org that it is like a new voice. Like it does officially count as a new voice.

Starting point is 00:19:02 It's different than Scott. Whereas ACTA, Negron, maybe, maybe not. But he has also been close enough to the org that he kind of understands the clubhouse. He understands, you know, most of the players. He has a relationship with him at some point. But also he's, it's a fresh perspective. So I think Wilson just kind of threads that needle a little bit here, where it's, you know, a new face, a new voice, a new direction. But it's also somebody who's very familiar with the, with the players and kind of the organization and the clubhouse and all that stuff.

Starting point is 00:19:33 So I do think Wilson just kind of threads that needle. And then we'll see if he's a legitimate candidate, I don't know. But obviously with Scott gone, the Mariners are going to, you know, in theory, start interviewing and start lining up candidates immediately after their season in. So we'll have to wait and see if Dan's on that list or not. I don't know. I don't know if this is kind of a tryout for the Mariners to see if they think Wilson could be a manager. Or if this is just, hey, this is a guy who threads the needle.

Starting point is 00:20:03 you know, he's discussed, you know, maybe wanting to get back into baseball in a more full-time role. And maybe this doesn't lead to him being the manager of the Mariners. Maybe it leads to him being a bench coach somewhere or a bullpen coach or maybe in Seattle, maybe somewhere else. But, yeah, Dan is obviously he's a fan favorite too. So he's going to have that kind of buffer from the fan base who's going to be less prone to criticize him, particularly now where everybody's sewed down anyways. and, you know, most people think it's over. So whatever.

Starting point is 00:20:35 I do think there are a lot of reasons they went with Dan Wilson, whether or not it's because they see him as a potential full-time manager for this club next year. I have no idea. I don't have a good feel for that. But I do think that his hiring makes a lot of sense. But it is still noteworthy that they went with him instead of Negron, who I think they plan to interview for the managerial job this winter. and Manny Acta who has tons of experience as a major league manager.

Starting point is 00:21:04 I think it's interesting that they went a different direction. Colby, for the first time and our time covering this team together, we're going to have to start looking at actual managerial candidates potentially. I mean, again, maybe Dan Wilson is the guy long term. We'll have to see over the next five or so weeks. But there's obviously going to be other names that we'll have to look at. we're not going to do that today I just feel like that would be

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Starting point is 00:24:38 the SXM app. All you have to do to find that is search the word mariners. So, I want to try and keep things positive here on the show. Obviously, this is not a great day in the lore of the Seattle Mariners.

Starting point is 00:24:56 Whether you wanted Scott Service fired or not, ultimately you don't want to be at this point where you're firing your manager right we'd much rather be in the heat of a you know pennant race right now which maybe the mayors can still get involved in probably not but maybe they can still get involved in over the next five weeks but yeah right now things are not great but i i don't want to end on a depressing note which unfortunately a lot of these shows have been ended on because of the way this team has has played. But no matter how you feel about Scott Service,

Starting point is 00:25:33 he's obviously a very important piece of the story of this franchise, especially over the last nine years and especially over the last three or so years, ending the drought. I mean, he's the manager that was at the helm of ending the longest playoff drought in professional sports. Like there is something for that, right? There's something to that. So I wanted to just kind of go over, you know, favorite memories, anything that really just, you know, you want to say about Scott.

Starting point is 00:26:07 I mean, I don't know if Scott or anyone in his family listens to the show, but I do know we do have this great platform at our disposal here. So if anyone that knows Scott or is related to Scott or if you're Scott yourself watching this, or if he's if he's watching colby anything you would like to say to scott sure um first and foremost thank you uh you took the mariners from a a really dark place and you gave fans hope uh for a long long time uh and uh so you know thank you for that uh thank you for uh you for uh you know the uh willingness to take arrows for things that weren't your fault uh ultimately And, you know, and I'm sure that he doesn't think this way. But, you know, ultimately the players got you fired.

Starting point is 00:27:01 You are a scapegoat for, you know, what has been a disappointing year for a lot of people, a lot of players and a lot of fans. So, you know, I know that's part of the gig when you're a manager or really a coach on any professional level. A lot of the times you're a scapegoat. And it sucks. And you accept that reality. when you take the job, but it still sucks nonetheless. So yeah, you know, thank you for your efforts. I really appreciate how, you know, you've built up a culture.

Starting point is 00:27:35 You've raised the bar of what is acceptable, you know, from this franchise. I think you've had a huge part of that. And, you know, it's from the stuff like, you know, backing your players when they refuse to play in 2020 because of the George Floyd stuff. It's the, you know, allowing player. and telling players to be themselves and find joy in the game and and always act like you would

Starting point is 00:28:00 when you were a kid playing this game and and you know just seeing a baseball team that for the most part looks like they actually want to be there they love the game and they're playing they're living out their dream and i think your i think your culture had a lot to do with that um you know and obviously you know it's it's the drought buster man like you laid down the the groundwork for that six years before it could happen, seven years before it could happen. And, you know, you took a lot of lumps. You had to manage a very, you know, veteran clubhouse for a few years. And there was a lot of resentment and a lot of, you know, keeping your, your methods at arms

Starting point is 00:28:39 like there that we know about. And there were some issues in the clubhouse early on. And then you had to sit through the rebuild and just take a lot of losses and have a couple rough years, obviously getting through, you know, the pandemic season, was extremely difficult. And you came out the other side and the Mariners started winning almost immediately after that. And then, yeah, obviously the, you know, the night the drought ended.

Starting point is 00:29:03 Always going to be a core memory for me. I was there. You know, I'm always going to remember the postgame speech that you gave. The voice crack. Tonight we party, yeah. You know, and obviously, you know, the big series win in in Toronto. know like there there are a lot of positive memories of the scott service era and you know even though i i did a lot of things that i'm not a fan of uh on the field in particular uh you know his his stupid game

Starting point is 00:29:34 stupid prizes uh became a common tweet of mine over the years uh the insistence on asking guys who can't bunt two punt uh you know all that stuff um you know i'm going to do that with every manager the next Mariner's manager is going to feel my wrath on Twitter, probably in the first couple weeks of when it happens. Everyone is very aware of your wrath on Twitter. I know. It's a very scary thing. But yeah, I mean, like, ultimately, I just, I just want, I would just want Scott to know that

Starting point is 00:30:04 I'm appreciative of his time that he spent here of the effort he built into rebuilding not only this, this clubhouse, not only the culture of the franchise, but in building up the expectation level of. us, the fans when we were, many of us were just apathetic to the idea that we deserve, you know, better or that we could get better. We could see this thing through. And I think you raised the bar. And I hope your legacy ultimately is one of a good guy, all around good guy, great dad,

Starting point is 00:30:35 energy, good manager. And somebody who raised the level of discussion, raise the level of awareness, it's raised the level of of pride in being a Seattle Mariner. And I think, I hope that's your legacy. I know that's how I'll look at you. And I just, again, you know, thank you. It's going to be very weird to cover this team

Starting point is 00:31:00 with somebody else calling the shots. But, you know, I, I hope you, I hope we see at a Mariners Hall of Fame induction sometime in the future. And it'll be well earned. So thank you, Scott. And thanks for, thanks for everything. It is much appreciated by me. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:20 I would echo all of the things that you just said and add, you know, thank you for your hand and reinvigorating my love for this team. And, you know, thank you for your hand and some of my greatest memories as a fan of this team. And by all accounts, you know, I never got a chance to meet Scott or talk to Scott. You know, maybe that opportunity will eventually come one day, on the road, but by all accounts, Scott's a good man and, you know, a good father, just a really good people person, right?

Starting point is 00:31:58 And so I'm appreciative of the fact that, I'm proud of the fact that the Mariners, at the very least, had a good person at the help of this thing. Because there are a lot of not great people in professional sports and baseball in general. So it's rare to kind of find that to find someone that's genuine. And I felt like Scott was genuine. Now, I obviously had my own frustrations with Scott, especially over the last year.

Starting point is 00:32:31 Who didn't, right? And who doesn't with their favorite teams manager and coach, et cetera? But overall, I am just appreciative of how Scott handled this thing as a whole. obviously it's very disappointing how how things have gone for the most part you know all the time's falling just short of the playoffs but at the end of the day this is the second winning this manager in marion's history uh and that's for a reason right that's absolutely for a reason all right so that is going to do it for our show um colby's setting out of town tomorrow so we'll see there there is potentially a window where we'll will we'll be

Starting point is 00:33:14 be able to record, but we'll see. We might just let the dust settle and let you guys, you know, kind of sit on this for the weekend and we'll see how the first series in the Dan Wilson era goes. That's going to be weird and interesting to get used to. But before we get out of here, a reminder that Lockdown has launched the first ever national sports 24-7 streaming channel on YouTube. And now it's also available on Amazon Fire TV and the free Fire TV channels app. Locked on Sports today is here for you 24-7.

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