Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - BREAKING: SEATTLE MARINERS TRADE HARRY FORD FOR JOSE A. FERRER

Episode Date: December 7, 2025

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The Mariners have made a significant move for a bullpen arm, and it costs them one of their better prospects. We'll talk it through coming up here on the Lockdown Mariners podcast. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners, your daily Seattle Mariners podcast, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Oh, Hoy, Sailors, and a Saturday, December 6, 2025, you're listening to the Lockdown. Marriss Podcast, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network. Now the number one sports podcast network. My name is Tiding Gazzalas, and I'm joined, as always, by my co-coast, Colby Patnode.

We're two lifelong Marist fans who've been covering the team for over a half a decade. And today, we're talking about a pretty substantial trade for the merrers who've acquired left-handed reliever-hose-A Ferrer from the Washington Nationals for prospects, Harry Ford. That's right. Harry Ford has finally been traded. And Isaac Lion will get into the fit, the cost, and the upside of Ferrer, and why we think the mayor has paid what it took to get him. But before we do, I want to shout out our title sponsor today, Game Time.

Download the GameTime app, create an account, and use the promo code Locked-on MLB. That's L-O-C-K-E-O-N-M-LB for $20 off, your first purchase. So this episode coming out a little bit later than I would have hoped, but I was out when the trade broke. Colby called me and told me about it. And my first reaction was not great. I'm going to be honest with you when I heard the. the cost for for rare um mostly because i mean look we're we're big harry ford guys here um but i'm glad that i actually had some more time than usual to kind of sit on this

trade uh and to think about it more uh because there is kind of like a personal side of this uh now we we've never met harry ford you know we don't know the guy but like we've been big fans of him since he was drafted. His dad's been a big supporter of ours as well. He's shown love quite a bit over the years. And, you know, we just really, we really like Harry. And by all accounts, like Harry's a great dude. And, you know, while we've, you know, had him in offseason plans, like traded him in offseason plans. We traded him, funny enough, to the Washington Nationals in our most recent offseason plan. And, you know, we've talked a lot about him on Fan Fiction Friday and all that stuff. You know, there was still a part of the

of us. I wanted him to be a part of this thing long term. So that aspect of it is sad for us. But on the flip side, this is obviously something the Mariners needed, you know, another left-handed reliever. We know that that is something that they identified and targeted heading into this winter as something that they wanted to add alongside Gabe Spire and, you know, someone better than, you know, Caleb Ferguson, who they paired alongside Spire. in 2025. Ferrer is someone that we've talked about quite a bit over the course of the winter. We talked about him a couple of days ago when Adam Jude mentioned him in his article on the Seattle Times about all the relievers that the mares are interested in. And, you know, he's probably not going to be the only reliever that the mares bring in. But there is a lot of upside here. There's also some concerns. Some, I don't know if I would necessarily call them

red flags maybe like orange flags but you know all off season you have famously or maybe infamously said that you want a daddy in the marra's bullpen you want the mares to add a daddy to their bullpen

and while ferre is definitely not that right now there might be the potential for them to be so what do you make of this deal colby yeah Um, you know, it is a deal that is, you know, bittersweet for the personal reasons that you mentioned. Uh, it's a deal that is really quite fascinating.

You know, if you just zoom out, uh, and just look at it from a baseball perspective, it is, uh, a deal that is largely, you know, a one for one. No disrespect to Isaac Lyons, but in ninth round pick, where to go to school, tie? Do you remember? I bet most people don't. So, you know, whatever. he's he's a part of this deal but we're not talking about him today so just like in a grand scheme of things it's an interesting deal obviously our uh you know again not personal relationship but

you know with with harry and his family great dude rooting for him all the way down there in washington he'll get to play every day so that's yeah that's really cool for him man yeah like he's going to get an opportunity to really carve out a a role for himself and a little closer to his dad as well so like that's awesome and his family from georgia so uh you know very There are, you know, while it's bittersweet, I am happy that Harry will get an opportunity that he just unfortunately was not really going to get here in Seattle. Yeah, we talked about it. He was going to have to, you know, learn how to play in the outfield or learn to play some third base or some second base if he was going to get regular play in time. We've been talking about Harry Ford being a trade target for or a trade, you know, asset for a while.

That got ramped up even more. Yeah, they got ramped up even more when they took Luke Stevenson in the first round this year. So, yeah, it's not surprising. It is a little bittersweet. And it is interesting because, you know, if you just want to look at the surface numbers of Ferrer, and by that, I mean, ERA, which is kind of the go for, you know, the average Joe baseball fan. This is a weird trade. And it doesn't make a lot of sense. And you could see some of the vitriol online, which, I mean, people being, you know, mad online.

That's not. That's unusual. People mad online about a baseball move? that that's unusual yeah so yeah it it is interesting for air again not a daddy uh you know trending towards dog but probably more of a dude right now i think he's probably as he sits right now just based on his production only he's the fifth best guy in this bullpen he's behind your big four guys and it's really not up for debate based on ceiling and we kind of dig into the numbers here and you kind of look around and you, you know, you do some deep dives instead of just

looking at the surface number, the surface area numbers. He could be one of those guys. He could be the second best guy in your bullpen. He could be better than Gabe Spire. He could be better than, I mean, it's possible that he's better than Munios or Brash. I kind of doubt those guys are really good. But yeah, there certainly is a lot to like here. You have to dig a little deeper, which we're about to do. But yeah, on the surface, I understand the, the sticker. shock almost of this deal and Harry Ford's been here forever and he's been, you know, on our top prospect list forever. But I think when you take a step back, you kind of examine the whole landscape and you really dig into beyond the numbers or you look at more numbers than

just what's on the back of a baseball card on Ferrer. You can certainly see the Mariners thought process behind making a deal like this. Yeah. So my first two thoughts, which I shared on Twitter shortly after the trade broke we're one bit nervous about this deal quickly going sideways just because you know it's a reliever you just you never know with relievers

you know and Harry Ford's going to be an everyday guy there at least to start in Washington we'll see if he can actually you know produce like an everyday guy but yeah you know we didn't think that Gregory Santos was already going to be all the

Marrera's organization by this point. You just, you never know, right? When you trade for guys, especially when you trade for guys that you're more so banking on the upside rather than the actual production so far, which is what they're doing with, with Ferreira because like, you know, it's 448 ERA, but a 303 FIP. So, you know, we've talked about this over the offseason that the nationals have had just a terrible defensive group that is, you know, substantially hurt their, their pitchers. and so that shows up there in the FIP

but also you know Ritey's crushed him 323, 380, 422 and 214 14 played appearances this year he was great against Lofties murder against Lefties 186, 217, 304

but you know the inability to get out Ritey's and the damage that Ritey's did against them that's a pretty big concern and the sinker specifically this year 2024 it was fine

but this year he got smoked. And we talked about that quite a bit on Wednesday. Like, if they trade for Ferrer, do they either have a tweak to get the sinker back to what it was doing in 2024? Or was the issue with the sinker? Because the sinker itself, like the metrics on the sinker, pretty good. It just got crushed for whatever reason. Is it just a matter of good process, bad results? Like, what was going on there? Or are they going to get him to throw the slider in the change up more? or do they ask him to add back the four scene festival which he had in 2024 and it was pretty good and then he shelved it last year so so that was my other

initial thought was well if they're willing to pay harry for this guy do they think that he has an extra gear and i don't mean that in terms of stuff i just mean that in terms of getting him to that next level of actually producing and so that goes into what i just said like what's the tweak here what is the thing that they want him to do more of or do love of like, how do they think that they're going to get Jose Ferrer to that next step? Yeah, we don't know. We can take some pretty good guesses. And I imagine we're about to do that here in just a second.

But, you know, right now we don't know what the tweaks are. We can guess and we can, again, look at the numbers and come up with our own ideas of what tweaks should be made. But it's, you know, it's worth noting that for rare. If you look just at the ERA, he did not have a good year last year. If you just look at the strikeout per nine, he did not have, you know, an incredible year on that front. But just in general, what does Frere do well?

He throws incredibly hard. His stuff grades out very well. He gets a ton of ground balls, like elite amount of ground balls. And he's pretty good at avoiding the barrel. Like it's hard to do, you know, home run damage off of this guy. So those are just where, the way you're starting with. And then when you kind of dig more into those numbers on the secondary pitches, And kind of, you know, where this guy could end up, it's really easy to see the path to being, you know, a dominant lefty out of the bullpen and even a way to manage Ritey's.

Like with how much he dominates left-handed hitters, he only needs to be good against Ritey's. You just can't, you know, have a 380 on base against him. And part of that profile, by the way, is that he gives up a lot of ground balls, which means he's going to give up more hits than other relievers because he's not going to strike out as many guys. You know, it's easy to say, well, Washington's infield defense was terrible. last year and it was so some of those balls should have been outs they turned into hits then you remember the mariners infield defense yeah i can't say that that's going to get much better for him right now should be better with ben Williamson currently penciled in as the third baseman that will help but jp crawford one of the worst defensive short stops in baseball he's written in penn to be the starting

shortstop in 2026 for the merriors cole young was obviously hurt last year how much did that impact him defensively he was obviously pretty disappointing defensively But right now, he's written in pencil as your second basement. But if he doesn't play second base for you this year, it seems like it might be, you know, Jorge Polanco. The favorite. Yeah. So that, you know, things don't get better on that front either.

So, you know, it's possible that the mayor's infield defense. And obviously, like, Josh Naylor will help with that, having a full season of him. That helps. But it's possible, you know, the mayor's infield defense will be better. Will it be better enough, though, for them to take full advantage of the extreme? ground ball rates that Ferrer offers I don't know because that was the

that was the big you know thing with Caleb Ferguson right he has these extreme ground ball rates well you couldn't really take advantage with that because your infield defense kind of sucked last year so and obviously there were other things with Ferguson that made that whole thing go sideways like that don't get me wrong I'm not saying that that was

the reason that the Ferguson thing didn't work out but you know it's just it's hard for me to look at that as like a super positive with what the mayor's infield defense was this past year and how right now, I'm not sure how much better it's going to be in 2026. If you want to look at 2027, which we could

because Ferrer is under club control for the next four seasons. Yeah. Assuming he gets tender contracts in ARP 2 and ARP 3, which for relievers is dicey sometimes. But we didn't expect that Gregory Santos, like that whole thing was going to fall apart. So as quick as the dead. If you want to look at 2027,

Colt Emerson's going to be the shortstop. That's going to be a massive upgrade. As things stand right now, Ben Williamson's going to be the third baseman. That's a massive upgrade. And Cole Young, I refuse to believe Cole Young is a terrible defender. There's nothing about him that suggests he should be that bad.

And I think it was pretty clear that he was dealing with some kind of issue last year. No, he was dealing with a shoulder issue from spring training on. But yeah, we'll see how it goes. But yeah, the whole like, oh, well, Ferrer. like I know a lot of people BAPIP is a big thing and it's like yeah BAPIP is could help but it's you have to have context

as to why somebody has a high BAPIP or why somebody has a high expected batting average it's not always just a bad luck factor or a good luck factor. So just keep that of mind. But there are things that Farrar does well right now that you don't have to make any changes to to extract value out of him.

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So the Mariners have acquired Jose Ferrer, left-handed reliever from the Washington Nationals. Talked a little bit about what we like, what we don't like about him. Let's get more into that, though. What do you like the most about rare? What do you think the mayors could really work with here? And then what are some of the concerns that you have about him moving forward, not just with what he's done so far in Washington?

Sure. I think, you know, the best thing or, you know, the thing that I am, most certain of is that this guy's going to throw strikes. And a lot of times that's a big issue. And the Mariners, when they take shots on guys like this, typically the problem is that they don't throw a lot of strikes. And you try and get them to throw enough strikes that it's not a problem. Ferreira is an elite strike thrower.

95th percentile based on ball percentage. That's not going to be an issue with him. He also gets a ton of ground balls, 64% ground ball rate. It's 99th percentile in all of baseball. The XERA is very good. he throws very hard two seamer that averages 97.7 miles an hour. He also has a four seamer that he didn't throw in 2025, that, you know, is 98 to 100.

Like he, this is a live arm. And when you take a deeper look at the stuff, it's not like he doesn't have an effective changeup or an effective slider. By the way, the slider is relatively new for him. He only threw 26 of them in 2024, and last year he only threw 90 of them. But when you look at the numbers, particularly of this last year, he only threw 90s, but opponents hit 105 off of that pitch with a 158 slugging percentage. And he generated a 52.5% whiff rate on that slider.

So you figure another year, more comfortable throwing it, that's an easy fix that the Mariners could implement. Hey, let's throw that slider a little bit more. It's really pretty good. But that's not it because when you look at his primary off speed pitch, which is his changeup, opponents at 221 with a 324 slug. And the changeup itself had a 47% whiff rate. Those are two elite whiff rates on two different off speed pitches to go along with a blazing fastball from the left side. So when you kind of look at like, hey, how could the Mariners possibly get more swing and miss?

It's right there in front of you. Throw more sliders, throw more changeups. And for a guy like Ferrer who just kind of started throwing the slider recently, that's an easy thing to fix. It's, hey, throw them more. Trust it. Throw it more. You know, obviously he's probably not ever going to be a heavy slider guy. These guys have to feel comfortable with the pitches you're calling.

But the Mariners are absolutely going to ask him to throw more sliders because the mariners have to get more swing and miss out of him. If Ferrer is just a 9K per 9 or if he's a 10K per 9, which by the way, he was in the second half, of last year. His strikeout rate jumped from 20% in the first half to 26% in the second half, which is- I didn't know that. That's interesting. And if he just does that for the entire year, this guy might be a win-and-a-half two-win reliever again. You have him for four years. He's not making any money this year. So that's nice. It's a potential high, not yet, but it is a potential high leverage option that appears, at least to me, might just be a usage tweak that needs to be made.

There's no mechanical change you have to make here. He throws strikes. He throws hard. The stuff is already good. There's nothing to change there. Throw a few more sliders. Throw a few more changeups. Maybe reintroduce the four seam fastball at the top of the zone to try and get more value out

at the two seamer at the bottom of the zone. There's a lot to like here. When you really dig into the profile and, you know, you look at the trends of his off speed stuff. And next year, maybe it's, hey, we're only going to throw, you know, 60% sinker, and we're going to throw 25% change up. And then we're going to throw 15% slider. That would double his slider usage. And that's a way to generate more strikeouts, more whiffs.

And that's what you need to be a high leverage reliever. You know, you can't really be a high leverage guy if you only trust the dude to come in at the start of an inning, which with Ferrer and his current profile is kind of how you have to use him to start an inning. because he's probably going to give up a hit. And when you have runners on second and third and one out and you're up by one in the seventh inning, you kind of can't give up a hit. You can't let them put the ball in play. And Ferrer's not the guy that you go to get that strike out yet.

But when you look at the change up, when you look at the slider, there is potential for him to be that guy. And it may be as simple as just throw your off speed a little bit more. Because statistically speaking, it's great. It's elite off speed stuff. Trust it, throw it. So if that is more off balance rather than just constantly attacking them. Right.

And, you know, that seems simplistic. And maybe there's a little bit more to it from the mayor's side of things. But it is not out of the realm of possibility. That's all the mayors ask this guy to do. And he immediately improves because the bears have done it in the past. And by the way, the nationals not exactly known for player development over the last four or five years. So, well, and this to me, this just screams that the mayors think that. they can turn this guy into a legitimate

a daddy if you will Colby because they love Harry Ford yeah love him and while they have included him in some other discussions and all that he was included in the Duran discussions which obviously

Duran is one of the best relievers in the game they have been for the most part unwilling to part with him unless it really unless they felt that it really made them better yep and essentially having this be a one for one no disrespect to isaac lyon like that says a lot to me about how they feel about jose ferre and i'm glad that you mentioned the the club control and you know how he's not making any money yet uh so yeah four years of club control he's pre-arb uh which means that all the money of the front office had available to them before this trade they still

have available to them now now they're going to have to go out and use maybe some of that to go get a backup catcher. We'll talk about that a little later on. But that allows them to do, you know, whatever else they want here within reason, you know, to go get Jorge Polanco back or trade for Citele-Marté, add another reliever. Maybe they actually spend legitimate money on another agency, yeah. Yeah, on another reliever. So, you know, this trade checks off a significant item off of their to-do list.

and it also doesn't limit them at all. It gives them the same flexibility, if not more, than they had, you know, a couple hours ago. Yep. Yeah, it's, again, you have to, you have to think ahead with trades like this because the sticker shock is a real thing. I think also what we might have learned here is that, you know, Harry Ford just didn't have as much trade value around the league as we thought. that's a distinct possibility. Again, we've talked about this a lot. And the other thing, too, is like, how did the Marriss feel about him play in other positions?

So they actually think that was a real possibility. You know, for us, we look at him and we go, well, that's a highly athletic dude. Surely, you know, he can play left field or he can play second base. But we've seen a lot of highly athletic dudes try and play out on the outfield and they're terrible at it. So maybe they feel like that wasn't a realistic option for him. I don't know. Sure. I mean, and again, one thing we always say, and specifically,

about Harry Ford. We've mentioned this every single time we brought him up in trade talks is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder in these trades and Harry Ford is one of the more polarizing prospects in all of baseball because there are still some people out there who don't think this guy can catch

which I think is absurd but whatever. They don't think he can catch and they don't think there's any power there and so they think he might just end up being a part-time slap hitter and obviously he didn't steal that many bases last year and blah blah, blah.

Like, there are some teams out there who just look at Harry Ford and be like, that guy's a fringe major leaguer. He's not a great prospect. He's not a good prospect. There are some teams. Yeah, JJ Cooper of Baseball America said he's not, he's not one of the 10 best catching prospects in baseball. According to him.

According to him. Right. And that's just to illustrate that there is a sentiment like that around the game on a more national scale about Harry Ford. And that's probably how some teams view him as well. We talked about this when people, you know, bring up Las Montes as like a trade partner or as a trade chip in some of these Fan Fiction Friday deals. And we certainly talked about it whenever Harry Ford was brought up as a trade chip in the fan fiction Friday trades or even in our own trade discussions that we like to have. Like, we think he's worth this, but we don't know because we don't know if that team likes him or not.

Because we know that there is a large chunk of teams that just look at Harry Ford and go, yeah, we're not that interested in him. So it's just one of those things where I don't think the mariner, like a lot of people say, oh, they left talent on the table. They could have gotten more for Harry Ford. You'd think, but we don't know at all. Like the Mariners have had trade talks for how many years with these different front offices. They kind of have a good idea of what Harry Ford is worth to them and the market. And they felt like this is the best that they could get.

So I can tell you how I feel about the trade they just made. I can't really say, like, I know for sure they got the most they could, or I think they could, I know they could have gotten more. I don't know, I don't know, because I'm not privy of those conversations. All I can do is try and provide context for why the mayors would make a trade like this. And judging by a lot of people's reactions, or I will say, judging by people's on Twitter's reaction, which I know is doesn't always represent the majority of people. This is the worst thing Jerry DePoto has ever done. and I just want to sit here and look at it and be like no like it's I get it you can look at the process you can understand why they would want to make a trade like this and you can do all

that by the way and also say I'm wellmed I'm sufficiently welled and that's where I'm at like I don't love this trade I don't hate this trade to me it's just it's okay it's okay I understand the process I get where they're going is it likely that they got better in 2026 yeah that's really what I care about the most right now. But overall, I'm just like, you know, four years of a reliever who's good, but not really close to great, you know, at least in their current production.

And you had to give up Harry Ford, you know, who at the very least was going to be a high value backup catcher for you for the next couple years at the league minimum with upside for more. It was only 22 and is a freak athlete. Like, yeah, I look at that and I go, yeah it's okay i don't love it i don't hate it but it's you know i understand i guess i guess i guess my initial reaction was when you told me did you have to do this could you get similar production not having to give up harry ford sure you know so that's valid we'll see i think this

trade ultimately is depending on where they can take Ferreir from here. Yeah, obviously yeah. Like I think Harry Ford for the guy that Ferreir has been just production-wise, not just talking about the stuff, just show production-wise. Just what he did on the stat sheet.

I'm not a huge fan of that. Nope, agreed. But there's obviously a lot of upside here and getting in early on Ferrear, you know, cost you Harry Ford. And if you're right, then I think this is a banger deal.

Right. I mean, I would just say this. Even like, even though I understand the process of it, I can still nitpick the process by simply looking at this and being like, hold up a second. You gave what might end up being your best trade chip this winter that you're actually willing to trade.

You gave that guy up for a project that you hope will impact your bullpen two or two months, six weeks after. after you finished eight out shy of going to the first world series in your franchise's history, you gave up, you know, this trade asset that you could have used on a more sure thing for, you know, a project for a chance at a really good player instead of an actual really good player that we think you could have used on a more sure thing. Right, right, right.

And that's, that's part of the thing. So again, like overall, I look at this deal, like for me, it's a 45 currently, you know. if we're going to us on fan fiction Friday it'd be like a 45 maybe a 50 yeah because again like it really does depend on how much you like ferre and how much you and ultimately this trade is as successful as how much more swing and miss the mariners get out of ferreira in his profile and there are reasons to be optimistic about that there are also reasons to be a little bit concerned about that we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out unfortunately we won't know if this is a thing until next year you know

know middle of next year but again there are some some positives he was really good in the second half particularly on the swing and miss front which is exactly what the mariners need uh to have this deal pay off for them so the mayors now need a backup catcher who could that be we'll talk about that in just a moment but first reminder this episode of the locked on errors podcast is brought to you by fan duel NFL sundays move fast one big play and suddenly everything feels different that's what makes live betting with fan duel so exciting You're not just watching the game. You're reacting to it in real time.

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the Mariners did trade from their major league roster today to address their bullpen. So now they need a backup catcher. Harry was written in pencil entering this off-season as the backup catcher. He's now in Washington. So, yeah, there really isn't another option for the mayors right now in their

organization. I don't even know if, because I know a bunch of guys opted for free agency out of the minors. I know like Blake Hunt's no longer in the organization. So I don't even know if they have a guy that's like a fringe major leaguer who would, who could even be thrown into the mix here. So they need a backup catcher. And Adam Judah, the Seattle Times has already thrown out Mitch Carver's name as someone that could potentially return. We had him in our off-season plan after we, again, funny enough, traded Harry Ford's of the Washington Nationals. And, you know, I know that's the name that makes a lot of fans cringe, but look, Mitch Garver making $12 million a year. It's a very different player than Mitch Garver making $3 million a year, $4 million years.

It's not going to cost that much. Mitch Garber as a backup catcher on a true backup catcher contract is fine I'm just going to say that now it is fine he knows your pitching staff he was basically a league average bat when he did hit

I know like he didn't hit for the power that you want him to and all that stuff like he's I'm not trying to say that Mitch Garber is a good player I'm just saying for a backup catcher he is fine that would be acceptable works in the clubhouse, works well with Cal, knows your arms,

like provide some right-handed thump off the bench. Yeah, I honestly, I would be borderline shocked if Mitch Garber is not back next year as your primary backup catcher. Again, would I prefer somebody like Luis Terence?

Yeah, but Terence is a trade. You have to go out and you have to make a trade. And you just give Mitch Garber somewhere between my guest's $3 to $5 million to play, you know, 50 games a year, you're fine with that. And, you know, you can still go out and maybe you give Tom Murphy like a minor league free agent deal and you kind of see what you have there. And there are some options here. But I honestly, I would be very surprised if Mitch Garber wasn't back and I'm totally fine with that.

Like, Garver is a perfectly good backup catcher. There's nothing wrong with that. By the way, if you were curious, roster resource currently has the Mariners backup catcher as Nick Raposo. yes he's yeah he's still in the work i can remember if anyone was left or not um garber would be totally fine no issue with that uh yeah i wouldn't like garb would be my primary right-handed hitter off the bench though i would still like them to go get a right-handed you know bat or right-handed bench bat i still really like the ad movedososa idea uh but as a pure backup catcher yeah i'm not I have no issues with that whatsoever.

Yeah. So obviously they could go trade for a guy if they don't bring back Garber. But there's some free agents out there. Johnaheim, Reese McGuire, Gary Sanchez, Elias Diaz, M.J. Melendez. Not even a catcher. Yeah, he doesn't even catch. They have them listed as a catcher here, though. Murphy, get you carintini.

That's probably going to be too expensive for the mayors. probably but that would be great christian vasquez danny jansen jansen's going to be too expensive yeah uh yeah i i think i would lay down the most jelly beans on Mitch garber being the uh the catcher backup catcher uh i would probably put down the second most on tom murphy uh believe it or not and then like a strong possibility that they trade for like a 4A catcher type who has an option that they could stash in AAA

maybe there's somebody coming up in the rule 5 like I don't know but yeah is Matt Thice still in Tampa like maybe they I think so yeah maybe they like trade for him because they went out and got Nick Fortez yeah

no he's a free agent so I don't know maybe they go like sign Matt Thice or something sure again we're talking about a guy who unless disaster strikes which possible catcher is not exactly the safest position on the diamond but unless disaster strikes you're asking that guy to play max 45 50 games uh yeah i mean the one thing that was helping with with harry was like maybe harry proves that he can actually produce and that means like you know the bairns would actually be willing to get cal off of his feet some more and either dh him or just give him more true

off days which you could really use they have to do that. anyways that's i don't know now that feels like that's how we want to be the case but i will say right now on december 6th yeah i don't care who the backup catcher is cow raleigh needs to get off his feet more in 2026 than 2025 i don't care if it's nick riposo reposo needs to start 35 40 50 games beyond the plate and you have to live with it so go spend some money on a decent backup Catcher. Well, and now you can because, you know, you addressed one of the bullpen spots that you wanted to or free. Probably one of the pricier, one of the pricier openings you had on your roster because we know bullpen arms, even just like the good and not great ones get seven, eight million bucks.

Backup catcher is only going to get four or five. Yeah. So. So, yeah. So my guess is Garber. I don't know when we'll hear about that. I don't know, you know, what his market looks like if there even is a market there for him. But yeah, that's my guess.

And then, you know, winter meetings start tomorrow. So we'll see if maybe the mayor is, because, you know, Jude mentioned a few other guys. Maybe they're still in on those guys. And in the winter meetings, you know, you could have more than two lefty relievers in your bullpen. And it would be totally fine, especially if it's someone like Matt Strom, who gets out, right ease even more than he gets out lefties so and just something to keep in mind i'm not saying it always happens this way but it has happened in the past jerry is somewhat known for lining up dominoes and then knocking them down in quick succession he he gets lines up the deal he wants

and then he has another one lined up after that that he gets done pretty quick happened a few uh winters ago the winter ironically they traded for gregory santos they kind of had these on just you know January 1st, it was the Rayleigh and the Hanager trade, and then it was late January, it was Polo, and then early February, just a couple days later, it was Santos. Like, he kind of gets on a roll. So it is possible. I'm not saying it's likely, but it is possible that the mayors could make another significant or somewhat significant move in the next day or two.

That would be following, you know, a pattern that we've seen in the past. So can't rule it out. But, yeah, I think. this is probably the biggest move they make this week maybe even for the rest of this month but can't say for sure it will be but yeah it's the winter meetings and it sounds like there's going to be a lot of action at these meetings so it should be if the next couple days whether the mariners make a move or not we're going to have a lot of uh movement which is great because the the winter meetings used to be cool like it used to be pretty busy and then

it kind of died out for a while and then last year was pretty good yeah yeah last year was pretty good yeah the Kyle Tucker trade like yeah a lot of stuff got done so yeah it kind of feels like the winter meetings are back and we heard reports that the the trade market is going to be hotter this winter than it has been in recent teams are like more willing to talk about some guys and all that so depending lockout they're not sure about investing long-term money blah blah blah so that would seem to benefit the mariners if they really want to be aggressive and for the last two winters they told us well we wanted to do more but the trade market didn't really exist well now it exists jerry and justin now it exists and your farm systems even better even after you traded harry so what we're saying is that katel martin needs to be a mariner by wednesday what i'm saying is you're not going to appease me with jose a ferrer okay get to work so now that you've heard us talk about it let us know how you feel down in the comments below that's going to do a first show thank you so much for joining us here on the lockdown airs podcast part of the lockdown podcast network your team every day colby pat note i'm tiding gazzalas be sure to get

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