Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Bryce Miller Handles His Biggest Test Yet Well, But Mariners Fall 6-2 to Braves

Episode Date: May 20, 2023

In what was the toughest test of his young career, Bryce Miller was everything the Mariners could have hoped for. The rest of the team? Not so much. On today's episode of Locked On Mariners, Colby and Ty discuss Miller's impressive outing, dissect the series of unfortunate events and questionable decisions that led to the disastrous seventh, and how the Mariners can right the ship heading into the weekend.Help us out by filling out our survey!Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11SorareHead to sorare.com/lockedon to draft your free team of player cards, set your lineup, and start competing today to win epic rewards.BirddogsToday's episode is brought to you by Birddogs. Go to birddogs.com/lockedonmlb and when you enter promo code, LOCKEDONMLB, they’ll throw in a free custom birddogs Yeti-style tumbler with every order. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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The final score from Atlanta. Braves take game one of the series. At one point, the Mariners had a two to one lead and we're out hitting the Braves eight to three, but things changed rather quickly in the bottom halves of the seventh and the eighth. Five unanswered runs from Atlanta. And that's your ball game. Mariners fall to 22 and 24 on the year.

Bryce Miller tonight, six and a third innings pitch, four strikeouts, one walk, four hits on nine hard hit balls. He left this game with a one-run lead that was on the hook for the two runs allowed to score by Trevor Gott and the bottom of the seventh. Colby, what did you think of Miller's outing tonight? I thought it was pretty good. every outing has to be measured against your opponent.

So was he as dominant as he was against Oakland? No, is Atlanta a lot better than Oakland? Yes. And after the first, you know, two batterers, you're sitting here thinking like,

well, this is going to be a long night because we talked about this matchup before. Miller's high spin rate fastball is great, but it's the pitch that Atlanta crushes the most. Nobody's better at hitting those high spin rate fastballs in Atlanta in the first two hitters. and really the entire first inning, just absolute mashed ball after mashball after mashball.

Not five of the nine hard hit balls came in the first inning. What did Miller do? How did he like how did he counter punch? He just threw more fast balls. Like it was it was really incredible. You know, we sat here and we talked about, hey, you know, he's going to have to use the slider. He's going to use the curveball more against Atlanta.

They really do hit the fastball well. and Bryce Miller just said, do screw you, I'm going to do what I do best. And they have to deal with me. And that's what he did for, you know, six innings, six and six and six and a third. And, uh, a hundred two pitches, 80 fastballs. Like, that's insane. It was, uh, it was the only pitch he got a whiff on, um, into Atlanta's credit, you know, he only got 11 whiffs on 80 fastballs.

Uh, so. Yeah. Atlanta was able to put the ball in play against him. them like you mentioned only the four strikeouts they did have some hard hit balls but more than half of those came in the first inning and for the next five Miller really cruised I think he at one point retired 18 of 19 and it was just dominating with the fastball is really what it was 80 fast balls nine sliders eight curve balls five changeups um you know it's it was just a really aggressive Bryce Miller and I don't even think he had his best fastball tonight in terms of velocity

and I don't think he had his best basketball command and he still kind of found a way to to fight through a really good lineup. That's probably the deepest lineup you're going to see this year is this Atlanta team. And, you know, there's a reason why they're heavy World Series favorites. But, you know, he came out on top, not record wise, but he came out of the game with a lead and he did everything he could to give the Mariners a really good shot to win this game. And again, that's despite, you know, doing it in the complete opposite way, we thought that maybe he would have to against this really good Atlanta lineup. And a tip of the cap to you, because last week on the show, you know, I theorized that maybe he would experiment a little in that Detroit start, which he actually ended up doing, throw a more breaking balls. He threw 42 non-fastballs in that start.

I was saying, all right, that's a little preview of what we're probably going to see in Atlanta. But as you mentioned, it was all fastball tonight. And you said on the show when I'm, you know, craft theory that, no, I just want to see his best against their best. And there you go. That was the game plan tonight for Miller. And it mostly worked. Now, I want to ask you about the decision from Scott's service to both bring Miller out in the seventh inning. and leave him out there to go over 100 pitches.

Did you like the decision? Didn't like it. What did you think? I don't like the decision to put him back out there. He's a young guy who just, you know, 85 pitches through 6. That's not bad. But he's a young guy who is, you know, not having his best command at the time. He's on a role, so I understand that aspect.

But what I also don't like is I also don't like the, the game plan as a whole, right? Like to me, if Trevor Gott's ready to go, you just start him in the, you start him in the seventh, and that's the route you want Trevor Gott pitch. And you don't want to bring a guy like Trevor got in with runners on base, particularly the tie and run. So, like, to me, like the plan there was just disconnected. If you're going to put Miller out there in the seventh, fine. You better have one of your high leverage arms coming up behind him because we know how potent

this lineup is and you're going to need high leverage, not your middle relievers. So to me, if you start the inning with God, fine, whatever. But if you're going to go with Miller, you have to be, you have to be willing to have Topa up, you have to be willing to use Paul Seawald, or you have to trust Matt Brash in that situation. And clearly, Scott does not. We saw that again later in the inning. He went to Topa instead of Brash when he could really use a strikeout.

So I don't, I didn't love the decision to put Miller back out there. And I dislike the decision even more to kind of have. Topa be or to have Gott be the next guy up no matter what. To me, once you make that decision that we're going to put Miller out there and he's either going to finish the inning or we're going to have guys on base when we go to our pen, to me,

if you make that decision, fine, you have to follow that up by having one of your best high leverage relievers out there, not your middle guy. And right now Scott doesn't feel good about his high leverage options. That's pretty obvious because in that situation, Prash would be in the game.

Like if he truly trust, of Matt Brash right now. Brash would be the guy you would call in after Miller because you would need a strikeout in that situation. Doesn't trust Matt Brash. You can blame him. It just to me, the whole idea of Scott's seventh, like his plan in the seventh inning just made absolutely no sense. It started with Cindy Miller back out there, but fine. Once you make that decision, okay, make the next smart decision behind it to protect yourself and he didn't do that either. So it was just a really frustrating seventh inning from Scott because I didn't I didn't like the initial decision and then I didn't like

the second decision that he made and you know it's it's kind of a bummer because at the end of the day JP makes a decent throw that we might be talking about a Mariners 2 to 1 grind it out win but we're not and now we're talking about Scott

yeah that's that's exactly the point that I was about to make is that you know hey in all fairness if JP doesn't pull Ty France off the bag there and they convert that double play Miller may very well get through that seventh inning clean and we might be having a very different conversation

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It's SXM on the Mariners hometown broadcast. Colby. So, yeah, I know you don't like the decision to go to Gott. I, for one, would have preferred to see Justin Topa in that situation. Obviously, Toba did come in in the eighth of this inning and eighth of this game, rather, and didn't have a good time either. He got knocked a bit. Overall, though, what do you make of those two innings for the Mariners?

bullpen. Yeah, you know, the bullpins held up really well over the first six, almost seven weeks of the regular season. And it just really hasn't held up its end the last three or four days, you know. Gabe Spire had a rough outing a few nights ago. Paul Sewell had a rough outing a few nights ago. We know about Brash's issues right now. And tonight it was Topa's turn.

And those are kind of the four guys that, you know, you've kind of turned into your high leverage options. and they all kind of blown up in the last three or four days. So it's a bummer that it's happened all in a row like this. So, yeah, but I also think that speaks to just this simple fact that the Mariners need a high leverage arm. And right now they're missing their best one in Andreas Munoz. And, you know, you can only push guys, you know, pass their, like, expected roles so much before it catches up to you. At some point, you know, bullpen guys are going to struggle again.

It's pretty unusual for, you know, all four of your, like, high leverage guys to all have a bad outing in the same week. But, you know, it's going to happen at some point this year. It just still happened to happen in the last few days in a row. So it's a bummer. But overall, I think you still have to trust these guys for the most part. They've been really good all year. But I do think they need help. And I don't think that means that you have to go out and, you know, go get somebody from the outside.

I think you just need help from the inside. And one way to help that. is to just DFA Chris Flexen already, who's worthless on this ball club, and go get Prolonder Baroa, who's tearing it up in double A right now, and forget the whole while he hasn't gone back to back yet. So what? Your bullpen needs help. You need that leverage arm that you can put in the seventh inning who can miss bats.

You need Matt Brash, but you obviously do not trust Matt Brash. So you have to go get somebody else who can do what Brash can do. That's Baroa. So to me, right now, you're essentially. a team that's built around having an eight-man bullpen and you're choosing to have seven why to save a little bit of money or to hedge your bet against marco gonzalez it just doesn't make sense so um yeah the the bullpen right now is it's been you know a rough couple days fine whatever uh i still think that they're going to bounce back and obviously once they get

andres munios back if they indeed do that'll be a huge help because i think once munios is back Munoz is probably pitching in that seventh or CWald's coming in because you know you have Munoz in the back end if you need another high leverage spot. So we'll see. Munoz isn't even like on a rehab stint yet. So we can't assume he's coming back anytime soon. But Burrough is right there. He's ready. He's throwing plenty of strikes out of the relief role.

The stuff is more than good enough. And you need kind of a fresh arm right now. So I know you want to get him in back to back games. I know you want them to pitch three times in four days before you call them. up, tough break. You know, sometimes things don't go your way. And the reason we know that is that Bryce Miller's getting starts right now because Robbie Ray unfortunately, you know, suffered an elbow injury.

Sometimes things don't go your way. You have to pivot. And to me, not having Barrow in this bullpen right now is a huge mistake, especially if you're not going to trust Matt Brash, which again, I don't blame Scott for not doing it, but you need that guy in your bullpen. well and colby if if you don't trust matt brash send him down to tacoma let him work on things without forcing him into high-levered situations to do that and there's your move right there for baroa if you don't want to dFA chris flexen for god knows what reason

or if you don't want to you know swap out taylor sasado which i'm not crying over if they did sasado's been pretty good but yeah he's been fine he's been fine had a little bit of a hiccup tonight overall been fine, you know? So I just still though, you know, if you, again, going back to Brash though, if you don't trust him, send him down. There's because really like more often than not, the only opportunity is that you're going to have to put Brash into a game to allow him to figure things out at the major league level is when the game matters.

You know, hopefully you're not in too many situations where you're getting blown out. You know, hopefully it's the opposite. into things there where you're blowing a team out, but still, you're more likely than not going to find yourself in those situations too often to give Brash those opportunities. Right, especially. So just send them down. Yeah. Even if it's for 10 days.

Yeah. Your team that's built to win close games, right? You're going to pitch. You're going to hopefully hit enough home runs. You're going to hopefully have one good inning. And you're going to go to your bullpen to try and close out. Like the formula the Mariners had tonight is the formula they want to play. Now, they probably want to score a few more runs.

But if you tell the Mariners, they're getting into the bottom of the the seventh up two to one, they probably feel pretty good about their odds. But you can't do that when you're a man down. And when you have Chris Flexing out there who obviously they're not going to use in any meaningful situation and Matt Brash, who clearly they're not trusting right now, you're down two guys in that bullpen and there are easy fixes to make. You just go get Matt Festa and Prolonda Barrowa and keeping Brash up and only using him in like low leverage spots.

That's not helping anybody. It's not helping the team. It's not helping Brash because now you can't really dictate when he pitches and when he doesn't. Like you're not helping anybody right now by having Brash on this roster. You're not certainly not helping anybody by having Chris Flexen on this roster, except for I suppose Chris Flexen at this stage. But yeah, you know, so I know that there's like an incentive if they wait until June 5th or something like that. Maybe they can keep flexing in the org down in AAA.

Who cares? If you really are desperate to do that, there's still moves you can make. You can send down Brash. You can send down Wan 10. There are moves you can make. You need to put a row in this bullpen. And sorry that it didn't work out. exactly how you want. Maybe when Munoz comes back, you can send Boroa back down and let

them work through some of that stuff. But you need the arm right now that can miss bats in the bullpen because that's not really Gott's game. That's not really Topa's game. That's not really Seawald's game. That's supposed to be Brash's job. And Brash can't do it right now because you can't trust him to throw enough strikes. So go get Barrow. It's really that simple. You need an arm like that. And again, the bullpen concern right now, it's short term. I'm really not worried. I think Munoz will be back. I think Perra will be pretty good. I don't think Topa all of a sudden is terrible. I don't think spires, it spire is, you know, awful because they've had bad outings. And I think Brash will bounce back to some degree. But you got to help those

guys do that by giving them help and allowing them to kind of slide back into roles that they're better suited for. Trevor Gott should always start with the clean inning. He should never be the fireman. That is not who Trevor got is. That's not who he's ever been. Trevor God is, is Nick Vincent. You want him starting an inning clean. You want them pitching when it's four to nothing. like that's who you want Trevor God to be. You don't want Trevor God to be first and second, first and second with one out in a one run game in the seventh on the road

against probably one of the what, three best offenses in all baseball. That's not an appropriate time to use Trevor God. Right. Even if it's at, you know, or near the bottom of their lineup. It's just not, that wasn't the call in my opinion.

Not Atlanta's bottom of the lineup. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, Babab gods kind of shove their middle finger in the face of the mirrors. Once again, you know, Azuna's little bloop single. The frustrating thing about the seventh. Botch double play. Well, first of all, you know, Gino boots a ball, whatever. That ball was crushed.

Took a weird hopped. It was a one in a million shot. He didn't make the play. Whatever. You move on. You get the ground ball and you want. And you have a shot. I'm not saying for sure would have gotten him, but it was going to be close.

You had a good shot to get Rosario. JP essentially airmails one. Then it comes to the walk. And at that point, two huge mistakes. Yep. And you're just not going to beat Atlanta. Not with how you're playing right now, not with how your offense is going right now.

You're not going to beat Atlanta making two huge mistakes like that, back to back. And it's just a bummer because, you know, Miller gets tagged, he's giving up three runs. He didn't. He gave up one. He did his job.

He was excellent. And he essentially gets tagged with that because you can't assume a double play. so JP doesn't get an error, that's an error on JP Crawford. And that's why those runs, and that's why heirs are BS stats. They do not tell you the full story because JP makes a good throw right there. We're probably watching a 2-1 or 2-2 game right now in the ninth. It's just a bummer. And by the way, JP also almost sent one into right field to get the force out on Acuna.

So, you know, we've seen JP kind of get a little while with his throws at times. tonight he probably easily could have had two throwing errors so something to watch and that sucks and that sucks too because it also stands a pretty good offensive night for for JP so I don't know just disappointing stuff overall there in the in the seventh and you know just frustrating to see the the Braves play add-on there in the eighth wish my favorite baseball team could do that that'd be cool to be a part of one of those once yeah okay let's uh let's talk yeah uh let's talk about the uh the next two games coming up here on the weekend

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And you're listening to the Lockdown Mariners Postgame show. Thank you again for making us your first listen after the Mariners 6 to 2 loss of the Braves down in Atlanta. You can catch the rest of the series on the Mariners hometown broadcast with Sirius XXM via the SXM app. So next two games for the Mariners, they got Logan Gilbert going on the bump tomorrow. That game is on Fox Sports, not on Root Sports. So another nationally televised game for the Yams down in Atlanta. We don't know who's starting for the Braves. Charlie Morton got his start push back a day.

Jared Schuster will go on the bump on Sunday for the Braves, but we still don't know who's pitching for Atlanta tomorrow. Colby, do we have any inkling as to who that might be, who our mystery man is? No. It sounds like the original plan was to do a bullpen day if the bullpen didn't get too taxed tonight. Well, it didn't. So my assumption is that it's going to be a bullpen day.

I can see him maybe using McHugh for a couple of nays at the start. He has that experience. But no, we haven't heard an announcement yet on who would be the call. So, yeah, kind of a mystery. Yeah. So Missy Morton is good because he definitely has a repertoire that, does not align very well for this Mariner's offense, to put it lightly. Schuster struggled to start the year.

Obviously, a young pitcher, former first round pick back in 2020. He's finally up with the ball club. So we'll see how that goes. And then tomorrow, yeah, if it's a bullpen day, I mean, again, this is another series where the pitching matchups favor the Mariners on paper, but, again, And this is all in theory. It all really falls on the shoulders of this Mariners offense. And, you know, this pitching staff, though, has to show up because this Braves' offense, as we saw tonight,

and did a lot of damage. So what's your feel for the next two games, Colby? I don't feel great. You know, I think for me, you just got to find a way to salvage a game in the series and, you know, kind of get back to, get back home and get a big, four games set against Oakland and just be a couple games under, try and win that series and kind of rate the ship that way. But it's going to be tough, you know, pitching aside, you know, the mayor's often still isn't producing right now.

Now, I actually thought they looked okay tonight. There were some encouraging signs from a few players tonight. I think it's the right way to put it. Hey, they were running an expected batting average north of 300 for the majority. majority of this game. It wasn't until the ninth that they fell under 300 on that front. Right. I mean, you look at it, they had, what, a two, four, eight strikeouts tonight. It's not bad. Unfortunately, no walks, or one walk, only one walk. Yeah, Kelnick. And, you know, A. Eugenio, one for four. Big RBI single, but his other effort, not good.

Strikeouts. Yeah, three strikeouts. Yeah, Taylor Camel, again, continues to kind of be boom or bust. But Julio only had one strikeout tonight. It was in his first at-bat, his last three-bats. I thought he looked pretty good. He had a big double, obviously. So that was good to see Jared Kelnick, one for three with a, was a double? He was a double, yeah. With a double and a walk, he had a couple big at-bats. And how about to Oscar Hernandez, you know, just two-four. for three tonight with an RBI struck out once, but whatever, he's going to strike out. He's going to have ugly at bats. That's part of his game. And when you kind of look at where Castillo or where Tay Oscar is right now, it's probably time to have the conversation about moving him up in the lineup. Absolutely. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, over his last, let's see, 11 games here, sitting 279. That's, again, that's not great, but considering what you're getting right now from a E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. Hennio Suarez and what you're getting right now from Jared Kalnick, who's been okay. But, you know, you're starting to see teams figure out how to pitch to him. I think it's probably time to jump Teo up back into at least five, six, somewhere in that range. Maybe, maybe enough to push Jared down. But, you know, in his last, his last two weeks, 14 games, right? Tayasker's hitting 309, 35436.

Honestly, I think you should swap Teo and Gino right now in the lineup. Yeah, I would. Yeah, especially if Gino's not going to hit for power consistently right now. Yeah, you can't have a middle. Yeah, you shouldn't be hitting in the top five of this lineup right now. Yeah, I'd like to see Colton Wong get a DH day here. Like, I'm just, I'm not impressed with Taylor Tremel really at all. there's just a lot of non-competitive at-bats right now.

I know Pollack's been bad. I know Wong has struggled, but they at least have a track record. So there are some tweaks I would make to the offense. But overall, tonight I think it was okay. But obviously you needed to be a lot better against Bryce Elder. But Elder had pretty good stuff tonight, but he did find a way to get seven hits off of him. He's had a good year. Yeah, but you know, you did get seven hits off of them tonight, but unfortunately you can only really get the two runs against them.

That's not a good ratio. So, you know, how different this game might have been if Cal Rale's, you know, seventh inning charge would have been two feet higher than, you know, Akunia doesn't make a play. Maybe you're up four to one and things are a lot different. So six to two game kind of got away from them. But overall, I don't think they played that poorly tonight. I think the seventh inning really obviously bottom of the seventh was kind of just crushing and then obviously they put the game away in the eighth. Yeah. Marys Boulpen just didn't have it tonight.

But I thought they played pretty well for six innings seven or six and a half innings. They just couldn't finish it. And that's just where the mayors are right now. They're not, well, aside from the last two in Boston, they're not getting blown out. And when they're losing, you can kind of trace the reasons why they lost to one or two plays that they didn't make or one or two balls that just didn't quite do what they needed to do. And that's what makes it really frustrating right now.

But yeah, we'll see how this weekend goes. But to me, I think you need to move to Oscar up the lineup. I think you need to consider Tom Murphy, Deaching a little bit more, Colton Wong, Deaching a little bit more, Taylor Tremel. I don't want him in the lineup every single day. I don't trust them right now. And I think you just kind of go from there. And you hope that Kelmick's close to making that adjustment.

Again, pretty good day today. But you kind of want to get him going. Same with Julio. Pretty good day today. So, you know, Cal Raleigh just missed his second hit by literal, like a foot. So I think you could see some of the pieces here that are starting to kind of get back into shape. But yeah, it's still frustrating while we wait for it to finally click. But I think you can help that process along by just move Tayo up to five, at least, five or six at the very least.

Get him a few more at bats. All right. Well, on that note, that's going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Lockdown Mariners Postgame show for Colby Pat Note. I'm Tadang Gonzalez. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at LO underscore Mariners. You can follow me at Dane Gonzalez, it's T-A-N-ZL-Z and Colby at CPAT 11. That's C-P-A-T-1-1.

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