Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Cal Raleigh Is on a Roll, But Can He Fix Mariners' Catching Issues?

Episode Date: June 10, 2022

Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode discuss what Erik Swanson and Ken Giles' impending returns mean for the Mariners' bullpen, if Cal Raleigh can sustain his recent hot stretch and preview the Mariners' weekend series with the Red Sox.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11 | @InsideMarinersFor more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Blue NileMake your moment sparkle with jewelry from Bluenile.com, and LOCKED ON SPORTS listeners get $50 off purchases of $500 or more using code LOCKEDON.Athletic GreensTo make it easy, Athletic Greens is going to give you a FREE 1 year supply of immune-supporting Vitamin D AND 5 FREE travel packs with your first purchase. All you have to do is visit athleticgreens.com/MLBNETWORKBetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Back home from a much needed six and three road trip, the Mariners kick off a very unique 10-day 11-game homestan at T-Mobile Park starting tonight. We'll get you set for their weekend series with Red Sox and also talk about Cal Raleigh's recent hot stretch and the returns of Eric Swanson and Ken Giles on today's episode of Lockdown Mariners. Colby, hit it. Locked on, Seattle Mariners podcast.

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We're talking about that. We're also going to be talking about Cal Raleigh's recent hot stretch. But first, let's get into some injury updates here on the Mariners. Ken Giles and Eric Wurick Swanson, they are both looking to be on their way back here in a short while. Might have even happened tonight, according to Jerry DePoto on yesterday's appearance on 710 Seattle Sports. Giles, of course, working his way back from Tommy John surgery. He pitched a couple innings down in spring training, but was shut down after injuring the tendon in his right middle finger and just started a rehab assignment on May 29th. And it hasn't gone super well in terms of performance. The numbers have been dreadful, quite frankly.

On Wednesday, he gave up three solo home runs to Angels AAA affiliate Salt Lake. So not great stuff there from Giles, but the good thing here is that he has been healthy. He has stayed healthy. And his tools haven't really regressed much from where they were pre-tendent injury. So he's been 96 miles per hour on the fastball with 94 to 95 pretty consistently and the sliders looked pretty good, according to DePoto. So all good signs there and it does seem like Giles is close to making his long-awaited Major League return. He hasn't pitched in a game since September 15th of the 2020 season. So it's been a long road travel for Giles.

And when he's healthy, he's one of the best relievers and all of baseball, quite frankly. but I don't think the Mariners should expect, nor their fans should expect, Giles to be anywhere close to that, right? At least here in the early going, right? Yeah, that's too much to expect. A guy fresh off with Tommy John. Any stuff comes pretty quickly. It's typically the command and the control that comes later.

And that's kind of what's been reflected in the numbers so far in his AAA. minor league rehab, I should say, you know, just really struggling to command things. And he's not a guy you really want to throw in high leverage right now. Depoto says the stuff looks pretty good from the videos I've been able to watch. The stuff looks pretty good. But it's just a matter of control and command. And, you know, you can't, you know, it doesn't matter how good your stuff is. If you're leaving the ball down the middle of the plate or you're walking everybody,

you're not a major leaguer and just ask Matt Brash. So it's just one of those things where we'll have to see how it goes. I wouldn't use them in any high leverage spots right away. I don't think the Mariners will. You shouldn't consider him, you know, in the seventh inning in the game's two to one. And they have a guy on second with one out. Giles isn't the guy to go to there yet. But, you know, we'll see what they decide to do.

He should help regardless of how much of him you see or what level we get of him. But I would be cautious of the assumption that they just got, you know, a legitimate high leverage option, at least for the first couple of weeks. Yeah. I think what you're eventually going to get out of Giles, and I wrote about this on Inside the Mariners.com today, is that he could potentially give the Mariners something that they have desperately lacked since this spring training, basically, when Casey Sadler got hurt.

It's that bridge to Diego Castillo and Paul C. Well, they just haven't had that guy. Drew's second rider wasn't that guy. Andreas Munoz has really struggled to be that guy. Anthony Mosevic is definitely not that guy. You know, Penn Murphy and Sergio Romo have kind of been the seventh inning guys right now. And they've looked good at times. They've looked not so good at times.

So really, you need someone that you can depend on there that can get you to the guys that you actually trust right now. And that's Castillo and Seawald. And I think Giles could be that. eventually. I'm not sure if he's going to be that right away, but there's also going to be very few opportunities to get him into situations where, you know, there isn't a lot of pressure, right? Because we don't know if the Mariners are going to get blown out on one night or they're blowing some team out a night. You know, they might play one run, two run games across this whole homestand for all we know. So we don't know what kind of situation Giles is going to end up

finding himself in here in the early going. But I would, would think that eventually his role is going to morph into that J.T. Chagua, Casey sat the role. And I don't think you should expect anything else. I don't think you should expect him going out in the ninth of any games unless Seawald

and Castillo and all those guys are unavailable. I think it's more like you're going to see him fifth, sixth, maybe the seventh on most nights. But that's still huge. That's still huge for this for this bullpen right now.

there's always the possibility that he's better than we think he'll be right away. And, again, my expectations for Giles are pretty low, but even with the low expectations, I do think that he should still help quite a bit, particularly in the middle innings. I mean, if it's another option you can throw out there instead of Matt Besta or Sergio Romo, that should help. And Besta and Romo have been okay, but, you know, prone to the home run and and there is a certain level of unease when they're in the game. But, you know, Giles is probably closer to that tier than he is Seawald Castile right now. But by the end of the year, it could be, you know, Giles is the guy you trust the most.

That's definitely a possibility. I would just not count on it for quite a while at least. And then Swanson's another interesting ad here for the Mariners because he was performing quite well before he got hurt. and then he went down with, I believe it was right elbow inflammation, which that doesn't sound good whenever you hear about that, but it actually turned out to not be very serious. He quickly got back to a rehab assignment, and he's been rehabbing over the last week or so, and it seems like everything's gone well on that front. I would assume that he's probably the first of these two guys to get called up here whenever that does happen. And it's possible that they both get called up at the same time. but what would swan what's what does swanson's return do for this bullpen

yeah you know kind of depends on what swanson you get this year he was very good but you know also eric swanson was pretty darn solid last year and i know um people don't believe it but he was actually pretty useful last year too um so we'll see he did suffer a minor setback at one point in his rehab but he appears to be back on track um you're going to get a guy who throw strikes you're going to get a guy who, you know, this year at least, was posting huge strikeout numbers. So again, we'll see what you get from him.

It's fastball splitter, right? I think we all know that. And like I said, it was huge 21 strikeouts and 14 innings. He was the Sadler for this year. And now hopefully he can fill that role again because, you know, Festa, like I said, Festa and Romo, they've done a okay job for the most part at filling that sadler role. while Swanson was out, but Swanson was nailing it. And I mean, you know, if it was Steck and right or not living up to expectations,

Swanson really was kind of giving you that, that three-headed monster in your bullpen. And then unfortunately, Swanson got hurt. Castillo got bad. And then, yeah, and then now Swanson, hopefully he's back soon. Castillo's figured some things out. Seawalt's been good, not great. And, you know, they're adding Giles. So the bullpen is a little bit better.

Matt Brash pitched for the first time on back-to-back days, three times and four days. He's done that now, and he's been a lot better his last few outings. So it's possible that he is coming up too. So Mariners bullpen, which has been a lot better, particularly on this road trip. It was pretty darn good. Should continue to get better. It's getting some more reinforcements. It will be interesting to see how they juggle the call-ups that are inevitably coming on this road trip.

And as we've seen, this is a unit that is, yeah. And as we've seen, this unit is critical to Seattle's success, quite frankly. So any help that they can get is huge. And, you know, that still shouldn't prevent them from looking to get better outside of the organization as well. But that's another discussion for another time. But right now, getting Swanson and Giles back, that certainly helps things, or at least it should. So we'll see how it all turns out. And we'll see when they eventually get activated from the injured list.

So next up, we are going to be talking about Cal Raleigh. who's been pretty good for his last 35-ish plate appearances. What could that do for the Mariners catching position overall? We'll be talking about that in just a moment. But real quick, a reminder, this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by LinkedIn. Create a free job posts in minutes on LinkedIn jobs to reach your network and beyond to the world's largest professional network of over 810 million people. Then add your job in the purple hashtag hiring frame to your LinkedIn profile to, spread the word that you're hiring so your network can help you find the right people to hire.

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He's helped the Mariners win a couple of ball games as of late. He's been good. Now, can that be sustained? We'll see, but I'll ask you this. Have you seen anything outside the numbers that suggests that Raleigh has maybe figured something out? Well, let's start here. Cal Raleigh is no Luis Duran. So still second best catcher on the Mariners, which is fine. The one thing I have notes about Raleigh lately is he seems to be swinging and missing less, which has been a major issue for him. He's still, the strikeout rate is still just unbearably bad, but it is trending in the right direction, which, you know, does help.

So it seems to me, I mean, look, overall his numbers 167, 232, 422 with a 34% strikeout rate, that's really hard to sustain success. I have seven home runs. He is walking about 8% of. of the time, which is leading to his 89 WRC plus as a whole, which isn't bad for a catcher. But again, when it's driven by home runs and, you know, Dylan Moore has a pretty good WRC plus because he's hit a few home runs in a small sample. So it's a little tough to sit here and say, oh, I feel, I feel great about where Cal Rale is.

But, yeah, you look at his numbers since June, like right around June. Um, they've been fine, you know, for the most parties. He's strikeout rate is, I believe, 24%, which is more than playable for Cal Raleigh. He's been very good behind the plate defensively. Um, he's a little bit of, you know, a little bit of head above the pack in terms of, uh, catcher framing. Um, we know how well he works with pitchers, guys like throwing to him. Um, and yeah, in June, you know, he's put up a 24% K rate, which is, good not only for Cal Raleigh

it's about league average but again it's been seven eight games and the overall numbers still are not they're not good but the fact that he's putting the ball in play more regularly and with some authority

is definitely a good sign yeah he's been definitely not a black hole he's been an actual one of one of the team's biggest contributors over the last few games and you know I'm curious as to what your thoughts are on what this would do for the Mariners catching position as a whole

if he's actually able to sustain this if he actually has figured some things out and this is kind of who we're going to see over the next few months from Cal Raleigh does this still mean that the Mariners need to go out and add a catcher if that's the case or does this change things for you

given the market as well because you've got to take the market into account as well and how expensive it would be to go out and get a catcher. Yeah, and there's only going to be like to be available. I don't think the Mariners are going to go get a catcher. I don't think that they can't do better,

but again, when it just comes down to what is feasible, right, what is reasonable and price tag and things like that, Seattle's not going to go out and get a catcher. And, you know, you might, well, maybe you won't be surprised to know this, but some of our listeners might. Believe it or not, the Mariners have the 10th most productive

catching situation offensively in Major League Baseball. They rank 10th in WRC Plus. It's 91. The median WRC plus for catchers right now is 83. So Mariners catchers is roughly 8% better than average in offense. And that's, you know, somewhat surprising because Tarynx hasn't gotten it going yet. We've talked about kind of Cal Raleigh's overall game. Tom Murphy didn't get off to a great start, but, you know, I've played in almost a month now.

So, yeah, it's somewhat surprising. But the Mariners catchers have actually been okay. They could be doing better, sure. But if you're top 10 in baseball and catcher offense and you're getting the type of defense that the Mariners are getting from Raleigh and Torens and eventually Murphy when he comes back, you don't really need to make that move. It's not a pressing need. If a catcher falls in your lap, great.

I mean, if the Diamondbacks want to give you Carson Kelly, fine. But you don't go out and you don't pay the freight for Wilson Contreras at this point, I don't think, anymore. So I guess if Raleigh's hot stretch has done anything, it's kind of brought into the limelight here that the Mariners catcher situation. bad could be better sure but honestly not not a lot better and we're talking about the guys who could go out who you can go out and get that make you definitively better they have obvious flaws including acquisition costs being one of the biggest ones so uh yeah raleigh has been fine he's stabilized he's gotten the job for now i still trust turen's bat more uh than raleigh but hey you know right the hot streak and cows 25 he's switch hitter um and

the pitchers like throwing to him. So we'll see if he's in the lineup tonight against the lefty. But yeah, he's been, he certainly helped the bottom of the order. And, you know, I know we're not talking about him, but we should also give credit to Taylor Trammell for helping do that too. Yeah, for sure. Trammell and Rale have been a big part of this over the last nine or so games here for the Mariners. So, you know, hopefully they keep that going because the Mariners are just that much better for it.

it lengthens their lineup. It just makes them deeper. It makes their offense pretty much a threat to do damage one through nine if they're actually hitting. So that's absolutely what they need. And quite frankly, the addition that they're probably going to get this year at some point at the catcher position, assuming that he can make it all the way back healthy, it's Tom Murphy once he comes back. And plus, Murphy was really good, at least hitting wise, to start the season. and if you can get that bat back in the lineup and get that thing going again,

good things are in store for the Mariners at the catching position. Like you said, they're in a much better position than maybe some would think. So the Mariners are starting a three-game set with the Red Sox tonight at T-Mobile Park. And of course, the last time they played the Red Sox did not go super well. So we'll be talking about if they have better chances of avoiding another sweep. and all that and more in just a moment. But real quick, a reminder, this episode of Locked-on Mariners is brought to you by Athletic Greens.

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that the Red Sox are starting Rich Hill who has a lovely nickname that I again will not say on this show Colby no matter how much you pressure me to say it I will not subject myself to a potential email from our overlords

over that. But the Mariners do not have a confirmed starter right now entering this game. But I would assume that's George Kirby right? even though the website doesn't say it. I think it's Marco's turn. Is it Marco's turn? I believe so.

Okay. So, all right, if it's Marco then, going up against this lineup, we obviously got an MVP candidate in Raphael Devers. They have Zander Bogart's, they have J.D. Martinez. They have, they have a lot of guys in this lineup that can do some damage. And this is a team. And again, I haven't even mentioned Trevor's story who took over that entire series in Boston.

Story, by the way, has not been all that great since that series, by the way. He's been better than he was. He's been better since before he went into that series, but it still hasn't been great for story. But still, this lineup has a lot of guys

that can do damage against the Mariners, and particularly Marco and Colby, you've seen some concerning signs in Marco's last few starts that suggest that he might be in line for a blowup here, potentially. Yeah, you know, he's giving up a lot of hard contact. He's not missing bats at all.

And I know missing bats has never been a big part of Marco's game, but I think his strikeout rate right now is that like 12%. Like that's not sustainable, you know, especially when he give up as much hard contact as Marco does. He's not an extreme ground ball pitcher either. So, yeah, there's always the possibility that Marco is going to to blow up. And, you know, the Red Sox are a pretty good candidate.

They got a lot of really good right-handed hitters. Thankfully, Marco seems to have found his change-up lately. The change-up, of course, is the great equalizer for lefties against strieties. So if he can command the change-up and the sinker, then he should be okay. But there's always that possibility because, again, hard contact, not on the ground, without missing bats is a combination that will get you your butt handed to you. a lot more often than it has for Marco Gonzalez so far this year. In his last start against the Rangers, though, he did miss quite a few bats.

Five strikeouts, not a huge number, but for Marco, that's pretty good. And that's all he needs. He only needs, you know, to be able to, you know, strike out five and six innings. Like, it's not, he just needs those stress-free outs because he also needs to avoid, you know, the beginning. And it's one of those things where he's done. done a pretty good job this year. The numbers, the underlying number suggests that he's worse than his actual numbers. And typically those things tend to even out. So I'm a little worried about Marco tonight. But again, if he commands a change up well, you know, gets the cutter in on the righties

and can spot the fastball against Devers and Verdugo when he needs to, then he'll have a shot to to kind of maneuver his way through the lineup. So yeah, we know Marco is, is subject to blow up games. He's had them every year of his career. And it's usually two or three in a row, and then he's fine. So maybe that starts tonight. Maybe it doesn't, don't really know. It's tough to know what you're going to get with Marco right now.

But he has been an absolute bulldog this year. And I can't say I'm surprised when he pitches well. I'm also not surprised when he has a hiccup because the number suggests he should be having more hiccups. actually is. So yeah, a team just officially announced it is or well they put it up on the website that Marco is going tonight, George Kirby tomorrow. So no rotation shake up with the off day yesterday. So going to see Kirby tomorrow and then Robbie Ray on Sunday. We've talked a lot about Robbie Ray on the show as of late. And I mean, he's so we found out what that sinker that showed up on his baseball Savant page was. It was indeed a two seam fastball that he started throwing

towards the latter half of that start. And of course, he didn't give up another run from that point forward when he started throwing the pitch. Still wasn't a great start for him by any means. But I would assume we're probably going to see it again since he had some form of success with it. So what does that pitch do for him? And what does it add to his repertoire? Yeah, it gives him a pitch that moves opposite of the slider. You know, the slider is going to move glove side for Ray. It's going to, the two seamer is going to move arm side. So it's, it's a pitch that moves different than his other ones. He actually threw it with almost identical velocity to what he was doing the four seamer. So, you know,

it's a different spin, but it's the same velocity. So it can be sometimes be tricky. You can make guys look bad if they're thinking the pitch isn't going to break. And then it does. That's how you get ground balls, right? In particular, you get, maybe they're still hard hit, but they're more towards the end of the bat instead of the barrel because, you know, the hitter thought it was a four seamer and it was actually two seamer. So I imagine we'll see it. It got pretty good movement. You know, we were watching that start. We go, huh, that fastball's got a lot of, a lot of cut to it. You almost got Tucker a couple times with it. So we'll see if he wants to incorporate it or if that was more of just kind of a one time, like I got to try to make a change here type of thing.

but yeah it would be nice to see him uh throw you know pitch well uh heck i'll even take the starts he was given you before uh the baltimore and the uh the houston starts like those were fine for me so uh we'll see what he decides to do with it but it did sound like he was something he was going to reintroduce um and you know for ray in particular against guys like devours and Redugo. That pitch running in can be a nice weapon and it's just something else that needs to be added. We'll see if it's any good. It kind of caught the Astros off guard a little bit with it. I'm sure the Red Sox are aware that it's something you might do now and we'll see how they adjust. But, you know, good news for the Mariners is they did avoid the Red Sox two best guys.

Yeah. Unless you believe Michael Waka is actually a Sion candidate, which, spoiler, I do not. But he's off to a nice start. Hey, but against the guys that have been off to nice starts so far, the Mariners have been pretty good. So maybe that's, maybe that's the, the primary game to watch here for the Mariners is tomorrow with Michael Walker on the bump for the Red Sox.

But yeah, going back to Ray, I mean, I would assume this is something that he was planning on reincorporating, reincorporating for some time now. I don't think he was just on the bump in Houston and thinking, oh yeah, remember that pitch that I used to throw about like three or four years ago?

I'm just going to start throwing that again. Let's just see what happens, right? Like he, he, this is something that he was, he's been planning on doing for a while, yes. I mean,

it's, it's a two seam fastball. It's a grip change for the most part. So it's not like it's a huge, you know, I don't have to shape the pitch. Like I throw it just like I do a four seeper for the most part. It's just a different grip.

So, um, I don't know if it was, you know, just like, yeah, I'm sure he's probably been working on it in the bowl. open a little bit, throwing it a little bit more in the bullpen, but I don't think it's like,

I had this in my back pocket for three years. Now we're going to, you know, finally reintroduce it. Yeah. But yeah, it's just, it's funny because he, he threw five two seamers last year. Five. Yeah. Yeah. He threw, he threw, he threw 17 less sinkers, uh, on his, in his last start. he did the previous two years combined.

Wow. So, yeah, the last time that's pitch has ever been really, like, used significantly. It was in 2019. It was not good. But, yeah, you know, it's, it's, it's, race to be a little bit more of a ground ball guy, ground ball strikeout guy. So we'll see what it does. You know, it doesn't hurt.

Like, it clearly can't get any worse for Robbie Ray, we hope. So, yeah, just, you know, let's see what it does. it does. It's not like it was super effective against the Astros either. I mean, but it was definitely something different. And that's yeah, when you're struggling like Ray is, why not give it a shot? Yeah, I mean, you got to try something. Yeah. Because it's been, it's been rough. It's been rough. It's been really rough as of late. So we'll see. But hopefully the Mariners can keep this hot stretch going here with the sets against the Red Sox and Twins coming up. But we will reconvene on Monday after this Red Sox series.

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