Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Can the Carlos Correa Drama Help the Mariners?

Episode Date: December 21, 2022

Some stories are so big, you can't help but cover them from your team's angle. When the Giants left Carlos Correa on read, Correa left them in the dust, signing a 12-year deal with the Mets. This decision flipped the game on its head, but also could open up some interesting possibilities for the Mariners on the trade market. Speaking of, when will the trade market heat up? Plus, the guys have a new name for the team to consider as its No. 5 starting pitcher! All of this and more on today's episode of Locked On Mariners!Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/NHTSADrive sober or get pulled over. Click HERE to learn more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Coming up on today's episode of Locked-on Mariners, how Carlos Correa's shocking decision to sprint the Giants for the Mets could impact the M's, plus a potential trade target. We should be talking about more. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners, your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. It is Wednesday, December 21st, 2022.

This is Tyning Gonzalez and Colby Patnaud for the Lockdown Mariners podcast. Thank you so much for making us your first. Listen, subscribe. can turn on alerts if you're watching on YouTube or subscribe and leave a five-star review on your preferred podcast platform if you like what you hear. If you want to hear from us even more, please consider signing up for our Patreon. The link as well as our social accounts is in the description below. Carlos Correa is saying, never mind to the Giants and heading to the Mets instead might open

up an opportunity on the trade market for the Mariners. We're going to talk about that as well as a pitcher the Mariners could trade for and take a flyer on someone we've talked about in previous off seasons, but not really this one. But we talked about him a little bit on yesterday's episode of our Patreon show, Control the Zone. So we're going to talk about him a little bit more on this show. But first, before we get into that, Colby, I think there's a really important question to be asked here before we get into the rest of the trade market is when the hell is the trade market going to ramp up? Because it's really quiet right now. Even the Mariners have said so.

So what's going on? When do we think this thing is going to get going here? because most of the big free agents are gone. Really, it's like Nathan Valdi, Michael Conforto, a couple others. That's really it's that's left now, especially now that Correa has apparently officially decided on where he's going. Yeah, we'll see if he changes his mind a third time. But, yeah, when is this thing going to get going here? Never.

I don't know. That was going to be your answer. Yeah. You probably should have. That's on you. I don't know why. I always fall into the same trap over and over again. Yeah, I don't know when the trade market's going to to pop open. Most of the free agency is done at this point. You know, Jerry and Justin aren't the only ones waiting for the trade market to pop.

It's going to eventually because there's still too many holes on too many teams and not enough free agents to go around. So, you know, it's possible. This is a later, you know, January is kind of the big trade month. Maybe even we see some big trades in February at the start of spring training. So I don't know exactly when it's going to pop off. It's too at some point. An old situation is just holding up everybody. It doesn't.

But we know the Mariners are make their priority to see they have a shot to get them. So maybe a lot of other teams are doing them. But yeah, it's very strange. like I can't even think of a major trade that happened that didn't involve the Mariners so far. So it's been a very free agent heavy off season. Like I said, I can't think of any major trades. So it's just one of those things where I don't know when it's going to pop. It's going to eventually.

And, you know, you just kind of have to be patient because I guess the alternative is you're so desperate. it to make a move, you know, two months before you have to that you overpay for somebody. And that's not, that's not what good teams do. So. Right. I was told back around the start of the off season that, someone told me that they would bet money, a significant amount of money on the Mariners making a big acquisition, trade acquisition in March.

And at the time, I was like, yeah, you're crazy. because like, you know, it's, there's no lockout here that's delaying things, right? That made more sense for last year when there was a lockout that ate up the majority of the off season. This year, however, because there's so much time, I just figured the Mariners would probably, by the time that we get to start of February, mid-January-ish, that they would have their heavy lifting done. And we would know what this team was roughly going to look like. But now that, I mean, now just kind of seeing how the trade market has the, I think that's actually a pretty smart bet that the mayors could end up making a big swing in the middle of spring training probably when the world baseball classic is going on and that could very well be Brian Reynolds because I think this thing is going to take a bit of time. I think the pirates are going to try and hold out as long as they possibly can because that's I mean they still have quite a bit of leverage here. You know, even though that Reynolds has requested a

trade, they still have him under club control for three years. He can just stay in play if they really want him to. I don't think that's going to end up being the case. But I think that's something that does get dragged out towards, you know, closer to opening day than we think. And maybe that's when the Mariners make their big splash and it is Reynolds. Yeah, it's possible. I think the one thing the Mariners can't do is they can't just sit here. Like once the trade market does start to heat up, they can't just sit around and be like, well, we got to. to wait for Reynolds to officially get shopped and all that stuff. Once the trade market, right now, they're not missing out on any trades because there are none. But once that gets going, they can't

afford to sit around and just be like, well, we got to wait and see on Reynolds. You can't, you don't have that luxury. You have to go out and make moves as they're presented to you. So, you know, we start seeing a few trades come down here in the next few weeks, probably highly unlikely. We don't get one in the next day or two. We probably won't get one until next week. Baseball tends to take the Christmas break. And it's usually like a five-day weekend. But so, yeah, I just, I feel like, you know, as long as Jerry and Justin aren't overly patient waiting for the pirates to start shopping Brian Reynolds, once other deals start to happen, they have to jump on it. They can't miss out on Tyler O'Neill just because that's the guy we've talked about because they're waiting for, you know, Brian Reynolds, the pirates to decide they're going to trade Brian Reynolds because there's not.

a very good chance they even get Brian Reynolds. So as long as they're not sitting back while the trade market is hot, as long as they're not sitting on their hand just waiting for one guy who's probably not going to get traded to you, then they're not really missing much right now at this stage. And, you know, it's pretty clear they made a, they've made a judgment call here that they think the trade market is, is the best spot that they can, they can go get players that they like. You know, it's entirely possible. They don't like anybody. And for agency. Nobody left anyways. So yeah, just kind of waiting for the trade market to heat up.

And again, as long as they don't wait, you know, just waiting on Brian Reynolds, you know, they should be okay. They still have 66, 67 days until pitchers and catchers and 100 days until opening day. So they got plenty of time. You just can't afford to wait for one guy to officially get shopped. Yeah, and you don't want to get left at the altar here, which is essentially what you're saying. and the mariners have typically put in safeguards to avoid doing that, right? So or avoid having that happen.

And so that's kind of what would make them holding out for Reynolds so weird if that ends up being the case. Because then at that point, like you said, you have to be damn sure that you can land them. And now we've talked about how, you know, the, you know, if you're going to have a black hole in your lineup, anywhere in your lineup, it's preferably in a corner outfield spot to start the season because those guys are typically pretty easy to find and not super expensive to ultimately land but right like you got to do something you got to do something you still need somebody who like you don't need like like if you're getting like you know 85 wRC plus for the first month or so like fine whatever that's not good but like you can live with it if you if you get if calnick's just the guy out there and you're throwing Kellnick and like Sam Haggretty is your starting left field platoon and both guys are thrown out like 50 WRC pluses like that's devastating and you can't have that for multiple months so you have to you have to get somebody doesn't even have to be a pure platoon guy go get a fourth outfielder who's going to post a 90 WRC plus and give you

you average left field defense you at least have to do that because which you just can't have a couple guys thrown up, you know, sub 80 WRC pluses and survive that for too long. Yeah. No, you can't. So, you know, if it just, if it becomes clear that this is going to take too long on Reynolds, then, you know, maybe you have to pivot to Tyler O'Neill. And that's someone that I think we're going to be talking about a little later on in the show. But maybe there's a couple of other opportunities to fill out that outfield spot as well,

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A lot of Mets fans, yeah. A lot of Mets fans. That, yeah, Karea is not going to be a giant after all. Whatever they marked in his physical that, you know, led them to delay his introductory press conference and finalize the signing. Has led him to go to New York all of a sudden.

So this is one of the crazier free agent stories you'll see. And now the Mets have added even more payroll and they're even more in the luxury taxes. You know, so I mean, Steve Cohen has been relentless and it doesn't seem like he cares about how much tax he's going to end up paying. So maybe there is no salary dump here. Maybe there is no chance for any of that. But if they were to trade someone to at least lower their salary a little bit, lower their payroll a little bit, lower their payroll, a little bit. It could be someone like Mark Kana, right, Colby?

I think there are probably four guys that I look at on the Mets roster who they could try and trade. It's not purely about, you know, dumping salary because they could dump all four of these guys and they still paying a lot of money in the luxury tax. But there's four guys who kind of pop out. You kind of look around the roster and you say, yeah, who could they trade to maybe get better elsewhere? There's James McCann, backup catcher. There is Mark Kanna, a starting left fielder. There is Carlos Carrasco, the starting pitcher, and Eduardo Escobar, the third baseman infielder.

So they actually have, you know, four guys who are all making about $10 million plus dollars this year. And they all are going to have varying degrees of trade value. But, yeah, the guy who kind of pops out right now is Mark Kana, just because you look at what the Mariners have. desperately been looking for, you know, right-handed hitting corner outfielder who can platoon with Kalinik, but also is good enough to, you know, get regular at bats, even when Kalnick's also in the lineup. That's Mark Kana. And, you know, Kana is one of those guys. Nobody, nobody's excited when he's on their team unless he's having dinner at a restaurant in town. And he might possibly be on your team. Then it's very exciting. Rabbit's too, baby. But Kana's a good player. He, you know,

he's not a high average guy, but he is about league average in terms batting average. Last year was a bit of an odd year for him. His walks went down, but his batting average went up, and his on-base percentage went up, and his slugging, actually, I think, went up as well. So it was kind of a weird year. Typically, he's 240-ish hitter, but he walks a good amount.

He gets hit by a ton of pitches, which really helps the on-base percentage. And, you know, it's about 400 slugging type of power. It's, you know, I think he has one year where he hit 25 home runs. He's pretty good in a corner. He's fine. He's definitely better than he's probably a little better than Mitch Hanigar in a corner. And he can fake it in center field if you absolutely need him to.

And he also has a little bit of experience playing first base. He checks a lot of the boxes. He's a pretty safe bet to be a 115, 120 WRC plus guy. Almost sneakily, you look at his fan grafts page. He's basically been a three to four win player every year, or at least on pace to do that since 2019. So he's a really solid player. And I think he's only got one year left on his deal worth $10 million.

bucks. He's not going to cost a crazy amount. But again, because it's the Mets, you're either going, they don't have to trade him. Right. So it's not like you can just treat him like he's a salary dump. So and he is right now, I believe, still projected to be their starting left fielder. Yeah. So it, I mean, they could pretty easily go out. Outfield is kind of the thing that they need right now. Like they don't have a ton of outfield depth at the major league level. Right. They have Nemo. They have Marte. Yeah. Jeff McNeil could play out there. if they want to keep Escobar. And Escobar could play second and blah, blah, blah.

So they have a few options. And, you know, Mark Kana is the guy that they can probably go. There's still some like-minded offensive players like Mark Kana, like David Peralta, they can maybe go sign. So I'm not saying Kana is definitely available, but I don't think he's off the table. And I think he's a guy that the Mariners probably really like, just in terms of veteran leadership and what he brings to the, to the team on the field.

I think they were linked to Michael Conforto recently, so a reunion with Conforto potentially. They do have, I believe Darren Ruff is still on their roster, which he's mostly at DH, but yeah. Sure. And then Khalil Lee. I think that's the other outfielder. Yeah. I like to say that. I think Lee is the other outfielder, the only other outfielder that they have on their 40 man right now.

But, yeah, it's possible that they could still look to add some guys. maybe David Peralta makes sense for them. I really like Peralta for the Mariners as well. But yeah, Kana, just to go back to him real quick, here were his numbers last year in his first year with the Mets. 266, 367, 403, 123, 128 WRC plus,

2.8 F413 home runs, 61 ribs, three stolen bags, 17.9% K-K rate, 8.9% walk rate. But before that Last three years he the lowest walk rate that he posted from 2019 to 2021 Was 12.3 in 2021 He walked 15.2% of the time in the shortened COVID season

And then I walked 13.5% of the time in 2019 all with the A's 2019 was his career year as well 273, 396 517 146 WRC plus It was rating and like you mentioned and he hit 26 home runs that year. He's a good player. There's no way around it. He's a good player.

He's not an all-star. He's not a superstar. But he's a guy that if the Mariners added, he should be really excited about because that is an upgrade over what you had last year without a doubt. And like I said, he fills a lot of holes because, I mean, even if Kelnick hits,

great. Mark Kana can rotate around the outfield. And he gives you that true fourth outfielder that the Mariners really want anyways. And he also has a little bit of experience playing first base. Um, you know, so he, he checks a lot of boxes and then he's very CTZ. Um, I think that it canna is available. The, the mariners are going to be interested.

Um, and I think they have the pieces to get it done, uh, because like, I, the Mets could just look for prospects here. They, they could start to replenish the farm. Um, or they could do some bullpen help and, and the mariners have some of that to offer. Um, and we're not talking about Matt Brash. It's one year of Canada. So you're talking about Penn Murphy. You're talking about Matt Festa, maybe.

Maybe even just a couple relief prospects like Travis Coon and, and I don't, Parlando Baro or whoever, right? So I don't think he's terribly expensive. So I think that makes him a pretty good, pretty good fit. And the Mets, I would say, to the Carasco and Escobar also makes some sense. McCann does not whatsoever. No, no, no, no, absolutely not. Escobar, yeah, like you mentioned, he's the other one that's really interesting to me.

We liked him for the Mariners last offseason, actually. I think he was in our offseason plan that we did. Yeah, yeah, we did. And we also like Starling Marte. Really, the Mets kind of had the offseason that we were thinking for the Mariners. 240, 295, 430 was the slash line this past year, 106 WRC plus 2.3 F4. 20 home runs that's the thing that not a lot of folks acknowledged with Eduardo Escobar

there's some legitimate power here he had 28 home runs in 2021 he had 35 home runs in 2019 like dude breaks he doesn't strike out a ton yeah he's a switch header yeah and that's the thing right so you know back when Jerry DePoto was talking about what they would like to add a couple weeks ago or a week and a half ago or so said that they wanted to add a guy that potentially playing, you know, corner infield spots and hits righty.

Well, Escobar hits righty and lefty. So kind of like a like a like a pretty significant upgrade over like Abraham Toro. Yeah. Like he's like a super Toro role basically. Right. You know, I didn't play much second base last year. Only two innings. Mostly third base.

You know, you can put them at short. in a pinch, but like you're, you're probably just going to roll with Dylan more. Um, if something happens to JP there. So you don't need him to cover, uh, short.

Um, but yeah, he is not great defensively. Um, but again, if you're just cycling him through to a different position, you're getting him three starts a week and maybe a DH day like that. You don't need them to be great.

You don't need elite defense when a guy's playing there one day a week, two days a week, right? Um, so yeah, I, I feel like he's, a pretty solid fit. I like the switch hitter thing. I think that makes him

pretty interesting. And unlike the, well, unlike Canna, like he doesn't really have a role right now. He's not a starter for that for the Mets infield, obviously. You can still de age some. So I mean, it's not, again, it's not like the Mets have to get rid of him. There's a lot worse things in the world than having Escobar as your backup infielder at pretty much every position. But it's, it's a a pretty easy way for them to, to, you know, shave a little bit of money off of that tax number and, and, you know, recoup some prospects or, or another bullpen arm. I think somebody like Penn Murphy also makes sense for Escobar. I would say Escobar is likely going to be cheaper than Marcana, but neither guy is going to be, like, prohibitively expensive. Yeah. Like, what, what did, what did Carlos Santana go for last year? White Mills and I'm blanking on the other

other name in that deal An interesting arm but a reliever nonetheless Like I I liked him when they traded him I can't even remember who he is now So there you go It's probably going to be that plus 10% 15% So it's going to be pretty reasonable

It was oh yeah it was Will Fleming I like there you go I forgot that it was Wolf Fleming So yeah I really liked Will Fleming too And six months later I forgot who he was because Carlos Santana was pretty darn important for the Mariners down the stretch. So I think that's probably what you're looking at. A Wyatt Mills type, an interesting harm and maybe like another,

maybe another Will Fleming type on top of that. I think that probably gets you Escobar. So let me bring up Escobar's contract here real quick just to go over that. Are you bringing up the baseball trade values? No, no, I certainly am not on that front. Nuts. $9.5 million this year for Escobar and then a $9 million, club option next year.

And then Mark Kana, let's go over Mark Kana's deal real quick. Kana is owed $10.5 million or sorry, $11.1 million. Let's see adjusted salary in 2023 and then he has an $11.5 million club option

next year. So fairly similar contracts to one another as well. All right. Let's talk about another trade target, potential trade target for the Mariners who, Colby, you and I have talked about quite a bit in previous off seasons, but not really this off season, mostly because he's been hurt for the majority of the past two and a half seasons

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and going down that rabbit hole, we started talking about Jack Flaherty, the right-handed pitcher who contended for the National League Cy Young Award back in 2019, but has been hurt for, again, like I said, the majority of the past two-ish seasons. But he finally got back on the mound towards the end of the season and didn't pitch particularly well, really struggled with the walks. but he was penciled in to be a pretty significant part of the Cardinals postseason race. He was scheduled to start game three of the NL Wildcard series. Of course, they lost to the Phillies and we know how that all went. But now

he is roughly the number four, number five starter in the Cardinals rotation. If you just look at it, especially with Adam Winnwright coming back. And he's only got a year left of club control. And so that to me makes him pretty interesting. And I feel like there might be an opportunity here. If the Mariners want to go big with it, get really on Hinch, get really wacky and

crazy to look at a Tyler O'Neill and Jack Flaherty deal. So what do you think about Flaherty, Colby? I like Flaherty. Don't, don't ruin it with Tyler O'Neill. Um, just by himself. Just by himself, Tyler. The frat bro combination in left field with Jared Kellnerick. What I'm saying is let's not muddy the Jack Flaherty discussion by throwing in Tyler O'Neill here. Yeah, Flaherty is interesting at his best, which was unfortunately three years ago. He's, you know, legitimate.

He was a young up-and-coming ace. He finished fourth in the Cy Young voting in 2019. Like he was a legitimate, he looked like a guy who could break out. He's only 27 years old, by the way. Um, so yeah, he, he was a fantastic pitcher. And then unfortunately, you know, 2020 happens short in season. Uh, he made it through that one relatively healthy. He, he may, I think he missed just two starts, but, uh, unfortunately, 2021 and in

2022, he was just basically unable to contribute much at all. So it's been three full seasons since he's been had a full season workload. Um, and honestly, the numbers have started to dip. And there's some serious concerns about Flaherty shoulder shoulder issues are a lot. more scary than elbow. You know, we see guys get the torn labrum surgery and they come back and they're just never the same. I mean, it essentially ended Mark Pryor's career. So Flaherty is, you know, battling through some shoulder things right now. The numbers, you know, as he's pitching through it, are okay. They're not anywhere near elite like they were, you know, when he was 100% healthy.

And like Ty said, he's only got a year of club control left. Cardinals typically don't pay pitchers, except for Adam Wayne Wright's kind of the exception. They typically just kind of let those guys walk. Now, Flaherty's not going to cost a ton for the Cardinals to resign, assuming he still has a good relationship with them because of the injuries. But next year, I mean, just think about what Flaherty is going to be. He's going to be 28-year-old starting pitcher with that track record on the free agent market. He's probably looking $75, $80, $100 million.

dollars. So, you know, it's, it's something the Cardinals might not like. So I think there's a chance he's available. I think, you know, there are some concerns here, though. If you're, if you're the Mariners, you know, replacing Flexin, for example, with Flaherty is an upgrade on a pitch by pitch basis. But, you know, say what you want about Marco and Flaherty, or Marco and Flexen, they both post. They just take the ball every five days. And you can't say the same for Flaherty. So there are some concerns here. It's not the best thing. If you trade, if you traded for him, you probably want to keep flexing around just as insurance.

But I think the Cardinals are going to be open to that. I think the Mariners, that's the kind of upside play they should maybe take. If they feel really good about guys like Dollar and Miller and Hancock being able to help them at some point, they might be willing to take a shot on somebody like Flaherty because the upside is that he's a legitimate number two starter, which seems unlikely, but that is the ceiling. That's the ceiling he's hit previously. So if the shoulder checks out and they feel pretty good about it, I think it's something they should pretty seriously consider.

The great debate of floor versus ceiling, security and upside, you know, and that's really the thing here with Flaherty. And like you said, like with Flaherty and Marco slash flexen. And so, you know, again, like you're probably not getting the upside of a number two starter here. now, you know, post injuries, all this stuff for Flaherty, but maybe he's a number four pitching out of your number five spot, which, you know, right. Maybe he's a low in number three pitching out of your number five spot. The thing is you're just, you're trying to take a shot here to try and get more value than

what you're ultimately paying for. And I'm not just talking about paying in trade acquisition, but you're also, or in, you know, the package that you end up trading to St. Louis for him, but also paying in terms of, taking opportunities away from the likes of Flexor, a Marko or a Bryce Miller or Taylor Dullard, etc. So, yeah, I think it's a really interesting idea. What were you going to say? Oh, no, I was just saying, like, hypothetically,

even if, like, and there's no answer that happened, but like even if the Mariners' doctors were like, we think he's probably got 100 innings a year on that shoulder, and that's all he could bear. Because that's a mark I don't think he's hit since 2019. I think 100 is, I think the high. he's had since then it's 74. Even if they said, like, right,

okay, you get 100 innings out of them. We feel pretty confident about that. Essentially what it comes down to is, is like, are the 100 endings you get from Flaherty plus the 60 to 70 you get from Dollar at Hancock Miller, the guys who are already in the system? Yeah.

Is that more valuable than the 170 innings you're going to get from Chris Flex and Marco Gonzalez? That's basically the equation. you have to you have to solve and that's kind of the and i think this is also an important discussion for just the trade negotiations overall as well because i think this is an opportunity where you could go to the cardinals and say hey we'll give you the security of someone like chris flexen over the uncertainty of uh flarity so one year deals for both guys we're just swapping one year deals here and we'll you know we'll throw you uh top 15

teenage prospect for your troubles. Like if all you're requiring is Flaherty, but I do think, you know, and we're not going to go down this rabbit hole, but I do think there could be an opportunity here for a O'Neill, a bigger O'Neill Flaherty type of package. I just, I can't figure out why the Cardinals

would want to trade Tyler O'Neill, but it does sound like they're open to it. Like, Divish isn't the only one talking about Tyler O'Neill possibly being traded this winter. Like I said, I don't get it. I really don't. Because even when he was bad, last year he's still pretty good so I don't quite get it but hey they want to

do it I'm all for it absolutely and for selfish reasons it would be a great platoon at the very least out there in left field between him and uh Jerry Kilnick we need our awesome bro we need our Canadian frat bro back all right

um lastly on flarity I just wanted to go over the numbers real quick uh from this past season 825Ks per 9 5 5 5 walks per 9 425 year RA 497 FIP. He was worth 0.0.4. He started eight games, pitched in nine over the course of 36 innings. So, yeah.

Right. There's a pretty clear cutoff line. I wrote about this on my substack, which link is not in the description below, but maybe it is now. I don't know. But so essentially from 2017 to 2019, he made his debut in 2017, got a cup of coffee. But in those years, he made 66 starts, covered 368. 320 ERA 373 FIP, 10.6K per 9, three walks per nine.

That's a number that Jerry's going to love. And like I said, he finished fourth in the Cy Young voting. Since then, since 2019, he's made just 32 starts, only covered 154 innings. 390 ERA, 436 FIP, 9.7K per 9 and 3.7 walk per nine. So not striking out as many guys, walking a few more. Yeah, it's a pretty clear delineation there, since before and after the shoulder issue. So it's a risk.

There's nobody saying that it's not, but is it one the Mariners might want to take? I think they should because to me, I feel better about 100 innings of, of Flaherty and like $60. Then I do about 160 of flexing. Because to me, even if like, even if Flaherty can only give you 50.

I think I can fix the other 110 plus innings from guys that I have and, you know, trade deadline acquisitions to cover that. So it's a risk I'm willing to take. Yeah. It's an interesting conversation to have at the least. And if they are talking to the Cardinals just in general, I'm sure Flaherty might be someone that that's come up. You know, Sunny Gray is also someone that,

apparently the twins are listening on as well. So maybe the Mariners who we know had interest in him last year could circle back on that as well. It just, you know, again, you got a way like if it's actually worth the upgrade, right? Because you're, you know, because Flex and Marco, despite having the down years that they did, still worth something. Still solid number five options, especially when the other four guys in your rotation are as good as they are. You know, is that worth giving up the top 12ish prospect or so that it would take to get Sunny Gray or Jack Flaherty or whatever to add the or to at least get the chance to add an additional win, a win and a half and have that depth and have that security? Because another thing that we all need to wait here and we don't talk about it probably as much as we should, Mariners rotation had remarkable health last year and that's likely not going to continue as much as we wanted to.

odds are it's probably not and so you need to have some safeguards in place here and obviously they have quite a bit of depth in the farm system we don't know how those guys are going to pitch at the major league level of course but I don't know if you can take a shot

on someone like Flaherty and it makes sense and it's not going to cost you a ton go for it. Why not? Take that shot don't be afraid to take that shot at least. All right that's going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on the lockdown airers podcast. For Colby Patnaud, Dan Gonzalez, be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at

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