Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Could Mariners Make THIS Trade For Marlins RHP Pablo Lopez?

Episode Date: January 18, 2023

On today's episode of Locked on Mariners, the guys take a look at J.B. Bukauskas an interesting 40-man roster addition. Then, Colby and Ty discuss the current bullpen and who could crack the seemingly... set-in-stone pen. Finally, the guys discuss the Pablo Lopez situation and Colby gives Ty a trade idea he can't stop thinking about. All that and more on today's episode of Locked on Mariners!Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: lockedonmariners@gmail.comFollow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Join our Slack!BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 On today's episode of Locked-on Mariners, we'll go over the team's latest pickup on the waiver wire, how Seattle's bullpen could shake out, and if Justin Hollander and crew could get involved in the rumor trade discussions going on between the Marlins and twins. All that and more coming up. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on podcast network, your team every day. It is Wednesday, January 18, 2023. This is Ty Dan Gonzalez and Colby Patnaud for the Locked-on Mariner's podcast. Thank you so much for making us your first listen, subscribe, like and turn on alerts. If you're watching on YouTube or subscribe and leave a five-star review on your preferred podcast platform, if you like what you hear.
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Starting point is 00:02:00 Let's get into our first topic of the day. The Mariners made a move. Can you believe it? They've been pretty quiet. There's been a lot of time in between moves for the Mariners this offseason. But they did make a move. It's a small move. They claimed right-handed reliever J.B. Bukascus from the Arizona Diamondbacks.
Starting point is 00:02:19 He was recently DFAed by Arizona. 26-year-old former first round draft pick of the Houston Astros came over to Arizona in the Zach Granky deal. and he hasn't really pitched at the major league level. 17 and a third innings worth of work at the major league level in 2021 for the Diamondbacks. That's about it. Dealt with some shoulder issues this past season through about 20-ish innings at the AAA level. Pitched a couple of innings down in the Complex League as well as he rehabbed.
Starting point is 00:02:47 But that's about it. But this is a pretty interesting gift for the Mariners, I think. So tell us more about Bacoscus. Yeah, six foot tall, about 210 pounds. athlete, throw strikes, came out of North Carolina, you know, first round pick with the Astros. They really thought they could turn them into a mid-rotation starter and, you know, given their history, it's pretty safe assumption. And he actually got off to a really good start.
Starting point is 00:03:15 He was in AA by the end of his first full season in pro ball. And he was just jumping levels so quickly and producing at those levels that it seemed like he was going to, you know, jump to the big leagues and be a pretty successful starter right away. Then he kind of stalled out in 2019. He stuck at AA before he was traded, you know, in the Granky deal. And he just never really found it. Obviously, 2020 was a loss year for most minor leaguers. And then he got his chance in 2021, and it didn't work out too well for him.
Starting point is 00:03:48 The numbers aren't very good. But when you go and you look at what he actually brought to the table that year, it's a 93 to 95-mile-an-hour fastball that doesn't have tremendous spin. doesn't get a ton of whiffs. It's a problem. He doesn't get a lot of value out of the fastball. At least he didn't in 2021. Wiff rate of just like 9.8 percent, something like that, and that's terrible. But thankfully, the slider, which was actually probably his third best pitch in college, really played up well. He was over 40 percent whiff rate on that pitch. It was his go-to pitch. He could get lefties and righties to swing and miss at it, located it pretty well. It was an effective pitch for him. He just didn't really have an effective third pitch because the change-up,
Starting point is 00:04:28 which was his best pitch coming out of school. He didn't throw it. I don't know if maybe it regressed or he didn't feel confident with it, but he just hardly threw it. He threw it about 9, 10, 11% of the time, and that's a pitch that if it was as good as it was at college, you think he would throw it a little bit more than that. So, yeah, he has some control.
Starting point is 00:04:49 He had some control issues once he got to the big leagues. But last year, even dealing with the shoulder injury, his walks per nine were great. Strikeouts per nine were down a little. bit, but again, kind of working your way back from a shoulder injury, those things tend to happen. So we'll see how he is a year away from that injury or an offseason away from that injury. But yeah, right now the profile is, the most likely profile is, I should say, middle reliever, 93 to 95 with a fastball, a really good slider and a change up that he keeps in his back pocket
Starting point is 00:05:20 that used to be plus. I mean, he used to be a legit, you know, 60, 65 grade pitch. we'll see maybe the plan is for the Mariners to get him to use that change up more and get back to that or maybe it's to have him throw his slider more. He was still fastball heavy. He threw the slider a lot in 2021, but it was still about 46% fastball to 42% slider. Maybe they ask him to switch that ratio. We know that the Mariners have had good luck doing that with certain pitchers.
Starting point is 00:05:49 So we'll see what happens. My guess would be is that we're going to see him quite a few times. in spring training, assuming he's healthy, and he will start the year in triple A Tacoma. He does have one option left, so they can kind of yo-yo him back and forth within the rules in the 20-23 season. But I think when he is sent down, I don't think it's a given that he is going to be sent down to pitch out of the Rainier's bullpen because, like I said, he throws strikes. He's got a good slider.
Starting point is 00:06:18 He's had a plus change-up in the past, and he's 93 to 95. if you can get, you know, if you can get that fastball, you know, on a different plane maybe, or you can tunnel it better with a slider, or maybe you can find out what to add some RPMs or some miles per hour. I think there's a chance here that he's still a number four starter. She's 26, so we'll see what happens. But yeah, my guess is that he is in Tacoma for the first few months, probably in the Rainier's rotation. That would be my guess.
Starting point is 00:06:47 And then if he does come up with Seattle, it will probably be as a reliever, but I think there's a lot to like here. This is a really interesting arm that's definitely worthy of a 40-man spot. So he joins a pretty interesting group of arms the Mariners have collected here over the course of the off-season with guys like Trevor Gott and Justin Topa, East of McGee, Gabe Spire,
Starting point is 00:07:08 now you throw Bacchus into this. That's an interesting group. Now to make room for Bacchus on the 40-man roster, the Mariners DFAD, Alberta Rodriguez, the outfield prospect that he acquired from the Blue Jays, the Taiwan Walker deal a couple of years ago and he just his development has kind of stalled. He's 22 years old now and repeated high A or well didn't necessarily repeat because he only played seven games down there in 2021.
Starting point is 00:07:39 But they were hoping that he was going to be able to make another jump here over the course of the season. He just didn't 106 WRC plus 261 average 333 on base slugged under 400%. So yeah, just not a great year for Alberto Rodriguez. And I think taking all that into account, taking his age into account, taking the fact that he might have to repeat high A again this year before he makes the jump to double A. I think it's safe to assume that no team is going to pick him up and add him to their 40-man roster, use a 40-man roster spot on him because he's two years away from contributing at the major league level for not just the Mariners,
Starting point is 00:08:19 but for any team, I don't think anyone's going to want to take that chance on him. So, yeah, any thoughts on Rodriguez before we move on here? No, you know, he was a fringe top 30 guy for me. He did just slip in, but he's, you know, 27, 28, and I could easily throw him out and replace him with somebody just as good. He just barely made it. He's not right now, I don't think he's a major leaguer, a future major leaguer. He just, there's no defense there.
Starting point is 00:08:49 It's, it is 45 great at best in the corner. And if that's who you are defensively, you have to hit and you have to hit for power. He didn't hit for power at all last year after, you know, spending an entire year. He's 20, I think he spent the entire year at 21 years old in high A ball. That's not old for that level. So it's, it's not the end of the world that he has to repeat that level. But it's certainly not a good sign. And if you're repeating high A ball, you're not going to be.
Starting point is 00:09:18 be in the big leagues anytime soon. It's, it's going to be at least a couple of years. And, and, you know, most teams have a stacked 40 man right now. They, they don't have room. They can't hide guys on their 40 man on the IL until they report just for in training. I think there's only five teams that have open spots on their 40 man rosters right now. And even those teams are not going to take a shot on Rodriguez. I would be pretty shocked if he did get claimed. If he does, I mean, good for him. There's obviously benefits to being on the 40 man. But it is not a lot. to the Seattle Mariners. He is,
Starting point is 00:09:51 he's long since been passed by guys like Cade Marlowe. And guys like, even from the, from the offensive side, guys like Bobby Bombs. He's, he's on the back end of this. And it's a big year for him.
Starting point is 00:10:03 He has to hit in Everett, and he probably has to make his debut in, in AA Arkansas or his prospect status in the mayor's organization will be one that they'll just release him. There's just not a ton of value here. Yeah. So I, I think it's safe to assume that he's going to stay within the Mariners organization.
Starting point is 00:10:23 Yep. And so, you know, we'll see if he can get back on track here. But, yeah, it was a, I mean, like, you look at some of the other names that are on the Mariner's 40-man roster and you go, like, you look at someone like Brennan Bernadino, for example, and you go, like, all right, maybe they could have just DFAed him, you know. At least there's a chance he helps you this year. Yeah, but it makes sense overall to DFA someone like Rodriguez. who's not going to factor into this year's plans or even next year's plans for that matter.
Starting point is 00:10:51 Right. Why use a 40-man roster? I mean, eventually you're going to have to DFAM anyway, because you're going to get to a point where you do have a roster crunch. And someone like Rodriguez just doesn't make sense to carry on your 40-man roster, considering where you are right now and the fact that you're competing at the moment. All right.
Starting point is 00:11:08 So we're going to talk more about the bullpen, how someone like J.B. Bukascus could fit into the competition there and just the bullpen overall, how we want to see these guys deployed, all that good stuff here in just a moment. But real quick, a reminder of this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by BetOnline. Betonline.net is your number one source for sports betting info, stats, news, and analysis. Get the latest odds and trends for every professional and amateur league out there from pro football to basketball. We've got it all over at betonline.net.
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Starting point is 00:11:55 I mentioned the amount of guys that the Mariners have added to their group of relievers here over the course of this offseason. Some interesting guys. They did trade Eric Swanson and the Tay Oscar Hernandez deal, but everyone else from last year's bullpen, which was fantastic for the most part, is returning. So let's just start here. before we really get into the weeds of this,
Starting point is 00:12:18 who are the locks in the Mariners' bullpen as of today? Munoz, Brash, and Seawald. No Castillo, no Penn Murphy, no one like that? I think they're probably a tier below. Gotcha. I think, for example, one of the guys you mentioned, like just blows everybody out of the water. Maybe it's Topa.
Starting point is 00:12:42 Maybe it's spires. I don't know which one it would be. But if somebody like that blows somebody out of the water, I could see the team, you know, trading Castillo at the end of the, at the end of spring training or even demoting Festa or Murphy, those guys are both middle guys. And if you think this other guy, this new guy is better, then you take that shot.
Starting point is 00:13:03 And if he's not, they're, you know, the other two guys are sitting there in AAA ready to go. So for that reason, I wouldn't put them in the law category. But I think it's highly likely that we're going to see Diego Castillo, Trevor got Festa and who am I forgetting? Penn Murphy.
Starting point is 00:13:22 Penn Murphy, yeah. It's easy to forget Penn, despite the good year he had. And I think those four, yeah, I think those four guys are, I would say, safe bets, but I wouldn't call them locks. Yeah, so that's pretty much your bullpen
Starting point is 00:13:38 right there, more or less. I mean, the other spot in the bullpen likely goes to Chris Flexen or Marco Gonzalez, at least as things currently stand. And we know that the mayors want to keep eight. They've always kept eight. That's always been their preference. They've even tried to keep
Starting point is 00:13:54 nine, but now MLB of course has roster restrictions that limit you to just 13 pitchers at a time. So of the guys that we didn't mention here, the Justin Topas of the world, the J.B. Poccas of the world,
Starting point is 00:14:10 the East of McGee's of the world, the Gabe Spires of the world, which of these guys you think is the most likely to push a Penn Murphy, a Matt Festa, or, you know, change the Mariners mind on keeping Marco or Flexen in the bullpen? I think the Marco Flexin thing is just monetary. So if they can't find a trade partner, they're going to keep them on the roster, which makes sense because you still do want starting pitching depth. And those two guys are at least number five starters. So you don't just want to give them away for nothing.
Starting point is 00:14:42 Um, but I, I think, you know, if you're talking about that group of guys, I, I think it actually might be spire is the one who's most likely to push one of those guys. He's, you know, lefty, which is nice. Uh, we know the mayor's like to have a lefty in the bullpen. They don't necessarily, you know, go out of their way to value lefty on lefty matchups and stuff like that, but they do like to have one, um, in their pen. Spires, a lefty's got a pretty good slider, uh, fastball that, that, that, you know, 95 up in the zone really plays up. So I think he's the most likely guy to push somebody. Topa could push a guy out of the bullpen, but it seems unlikely. We'll see where he's at physically.
Starting point is 00:15:21 But I think it's probably those two. I think, you know, I think J.B. is probably headed. Like I said, I think there's a really good shot. He is in Tacoma's rotation. And the same goes for East and McGee. So I think those two guys are headed to Tacoma to keep stretched out. So, yeah, I think it's probably Spire. and then Topo would probably be second.
Starting point is 00:15:43 And even though he isn't, you know, even though he isn't a part of this group of, you know, minor league free agents or whatever, I think Isaiah Campbell is the other guy to watch here to push one of these probable safe guys back to Tacoma. But I would say Spire is probably the most likely of that group of four. So with the World Baseball Classic coming up,
Starting point is 00:16:06 we know that Matt Brash, Andreas Munoz, Matt Festa, they're going to compete in that. So they'll be, at least theoretically speaking, a little bit more ramped up than usual around that time of year at the end of March or mid-March, rather. So with that in mind, how would you like to see these guys deployed right out of the gate?
Starting point is 00:16:27 Do you want to maybe take it a little more cautiously with them, considering that they've, that they're likely going to have some legitimate innings already on their arms? or do you maybe push it a little more with those guys because they've already ramped up a little bit more? Yeah, it's pretty interesting, particularly with the bullpen guys, because we don't know how long the tournament is going to go on for them.
Starting point is 00:16:50 Like, it's entirely possible that Festa pitches one inning in the World Baseball Classic. And that's not going to change anything. Assume he stays healthy, knock on wood. No soggy arms this time around. But, yeah, like, Munoz my pitch wants, you know, Brash, my pitch once like all none of those three teams are like huge favorites to advance either so we need to keep that in mind and also i think there's a possibility Diego castillo might be pitching for the Dominican republic we'll see we'll see what happens when the official roster comes out but um yeah
Starting point is 00:17:24 i think those guys depending on on the workload i think you just actually can kind of ease them off when they come back to camp and just have them ready for the regular workload uh you know on on on opening day. So I don't think it change as much, again, barring some kind of injury or some kind of, you know, blister issue or some kind of, you know, something minor that that pushes them out a couple weeks. And then at that point, maybe you do ease into that. But assuming they make it through the World Baseball Classic okay and they're not, you know, in the finals, in the last, you know, a week before opening day and all that stuff, then I think it's relatively the same. You just kind of keep rolling with what you, what, what your plan was. But, you know,
Starting point is 00:18:02 those three guys or possibly four guys, they are going to open up opportunities to other arms, which is why we're going to see a lot of Campbell, we're going to see Travis Kuhn, we're going to see Spire and we're going to see, you know, Topa, we're going to see these guys because, A, we're going to see them anyways, but B, there are going to be a couple more innings available than there would be in a normal spring. You know, Munoz started to wear down a little bit in the postseason because he was being used a lot. Seawald as well was used a lot Brash even later on was used quite a bit
Starting point is 00:18:36 Now you don't have Eric Swanson So how do you want to see the Mariners Kind of handle the the workloads of those guys Especially someone like Andres Munoz Who throws very very hard And who do you want to Who do you think is the guy that needs to Step up here with the absence of Eric Swanos?
Starting point is 00:18:59 Michael Fulmer or Andrew Chathen. Is Matt Moore still available? Yeah, he's still a thing. Yeah, still out there. I think this is a pretty good year. And this is why I think it's important. I think the Mariners need to be, what's the word here? Liberal with I-L stents.
Starting point is 00:19:25 I mean, you know, you have this group of guys that you like their stuff, right? And it's like, hey, like if Paul Seawall, comes to us and he's got like, you know, a left shoulder like discomfort. Just put him on the IL for 15 days and then call up Campbell and just be very cautious with this because while you don't have like there's a lot that could go wrong with this bullpen, you do have a lot of interesting arms in it. So again, obviously you don't fake injuries to put guys on the IL. That's not what I'm suggesting.
Starting point is 00:19:54 But I think you have to be careful here. And I think you do kind of have to rotate through this back end or the, I guess technically the front end of your bullpen. and, you know, you need Murphy to be the guy to go out there and take the head and then you send them down to AAA. That's just what you have to do. I mean, you got to find a way to manage these guys. I will say that I think one thing that's going to help is I think we're going to get a better Robbie Ray. I think we're going to get Luis Castillo, obviously for 15, 20 more starts than we got him for last year.
Starting point is 00:20:22 That's fewer innings of bullpen will likely have to cover. And we are going to have George Kirby with very little or no restrictions. So those three guys or those three factors in the starting rotation are going to take more stress off of that bullpen. So instead of having to cover, you know, three and two thirds a night, maybe now they only have to cover two and a third or three or, you know, and obviously there's going to be blow up games here and there. But I think just having those guys, you know, full force and for the entire year are really going to help eat a lot of innings that would otherwise go to, you know, the Gabe Spire types or the, you know, the, you. You know, the sixth inning isn't going to be Matt Festa anymore because that's going to be Luis Castillo or George Kirby. So switching gears here,
Starting point is 00:21:06 Marlins and twins have, I don't know, for the last week and a half, two weeks have been rumored to be in trade discussions with one another, with Pablo Lopez, the former Mariners, right-handed pitcher who was dealt quite a while ago. That was the David Phelps deal, I believe, right?
Starting point is 00:21:25 Yeah. Not fun. Not fun to remember. sorry for reminding you guys of that. But, uh, yeah, Pablo Lopez, uh,
Starting point is 00:21:32 has been, you know, a guy that's been long rumored to be on the trade market here for a while. Um, it seems like this might be finally coming to a head because the marlins have pitchers on pitchers on pitchers on pitchers. And it seems like they're just bound to trade one of them. And Lopez has been kind of that one guy that everyone's looked to.
Starting point is 00:21:49 So, uh, the twins might, it may very well be the landing, uh, destination for him. But, um,
Starting point is 00:21:56 Colby, you have an idea here. here for the Mariners to get involved. I'm not really sure if it's getting involved in a three-team deal here with the twins and Marlins or if it's just getting involved with one of these teams on some of the names that we're hearing about. Yeah. I think there's room here for a three-team deal.
Starting point is 00:22:16 Apparently the sticking point is that the twins really don't want to trade a rise and the Marlins only want like major league proven hitter for Lopez. So obviously, like, Kepler is not going to work. He's not going to carry the freight for the twins to, or, yeah, for the twins. So you kind of look at and you say, is there a way that the mayors get involved here? They don't really have that, you know, major, proven major league bad that they can, they can spare right now. So probably not in that way, but if we're talking about, hey, you know what, the Marlins, they like Larnick or Kiroloff or whatever, but they want an extra piece and the mayors can, and maybe provide that extra piece.
Starting point is 00:22:59 And there's some interesting guys on both sides here that makes sense for the marries. We've talked about Kepler a lot. You know, if Larnick is available, I think he makes some sense to a certain extent. The Marlins, you know,
Starting point is 00:23:10 obviously they have Sixtho Sanchez and maybe a reliever, somebody to help out in that bullpen like Stephen O'Kurt. I think he's a pretty interesting guy. You know, so I think there's a way they could get involved in a three-team deal. It's just a matter of, are the twins, willing to trade,
Starting point is 00:23:29 Luis Arise. And that seems to be the sticking point. It's also worth noting that apparently the Cardinals have asked about Lopez, and they were told we want Newt Bar, and the Cardinals said no. So it looks pretty clear to me, like the Marlins are targeting major league hitters. They want a major league bat, preferably an outfielder, but Arise is an outfielder. He's pretty much a DH.
Starting point is 00:23:52 So, like, do the mayors have that to go get Pablo Lopez straight up? probably not unless unless and i'm not saying i would do this because i probably wouldn't but tie france for paula lopez i mean it's three years of tie france for two years of paula lopez keep that in mind lopez as i wait for tie to get back and do his job lopez is uh you know he's he's probably a number four or like a really good number four solid number three um and you only get him for two years there's also some concern about you know he hasn't really had like a full season worth of work all that often.
Starting point is 00:24:33 Then again, neither is Typhrance. But yeah, like, just like, just from the top of my head, like, oh, they want a major league hitter in return for Pablo Lopez. The Mariners don't really have that except for Thai France. Because you're not going to trade J.P. Crawford. I mean, you're not, obviously, you're not trading Teo or Julio. It doesn't make sense to trade. Gino, right? And Wong, obviously, isn't going to get it done.
Starting point is 00:25:00 You're not trading Raleigh. Kellnick doesn't have the value. Typhrance might. Okay, I'll bite. I'll bite. At this, why does this make sense? And I know that you said you wouldn't, you wouldn't do this. But why does this make sense now at this point in the office?
Starting point is 00:25:17 Yeah, it doesn't. That's, to trade Ty France. I guess if you go out and get Luke Voight. For, and let's be clear about it, for a luxury. Yeah. Luke Void, come on. I don't know. Like, Lopet.
Starting point is 00:25:29 The mayor's rotation isn't so good. You need Pablo Lopez. You don't need them, but you also don't need Thai France. Like, let's be like, I would, I would argue that you need Thai France a hell of a lot more than you need Pablo. Do you? Right now. Because Thai France is probably, yeah. Ty France is probably like hitting sixth in this lineup.
Starting point is 00:25:50 That's, that's great and all, but you still need the office. Yeah, but don't you think you can go get a first basement a lot easier than you can, like a mid-rotation starter? I mean, like, all right. Yeah. If you went out and you traded for Pablo Lopez and you turned around and you acquired like C. C.J. Crone or someone like that. Okay. I could wrap my head around that a little bit better. Okay. Would you rather have Lopez and Cron or France and Tye France? Flexen? Like it seems pretty easy to me. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's hear from you guys. Let's hear from you guys.
Starting point is 00:26:27 Just throw that out there. What do you guys think? Let us know down below if you're watching on YouTube or if you're watching on. on YouTube. Or if you want to yell at, if you're just listening to us in your car or whatever and you want to yell at us, Lockdown Mariners at gmail.com. Let us know. I just,
Starting point is 00:26:42 like I said, I want to be clear here. I don't think it may, I'm on your side. I don't think it makes a lot of sense for the Mariners to do this. Sure. But if they're going to,
Starting point is 00:26:51 right, Thai France for Pablo Lopez, and then you go and you sign Luke Void or you go and you acquire, you know, C.J. Cron or Christian Walker.
Starting point is 00:27:03 or whatever, you know, or you go get a third baseman and Gino Suarez is your first basement. I don't know. But it's, it's a lot easier to find a first baseman than it is a mid-rotation starter. So, like, I know you're thinking about the lineup right now, but let me paint a different picture for you. Okay. All right. Luis Castillo, George Kirby, Logan Gilbert, Pablo Lopez, Robbie Ray. How many playoff series you went in with that rotation? A lot. So just throw that out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:35 I mean, you might have to win those games two to one, but like, you know. So just again, crazy idea. I just wanted to throw it out there. I think it's a fun one at least. I would not do it. I would rather have tie friends. You're unhinged. You're unhinged.
Starting point is 00:27:48 You tell me that's not a fun conversation, though. No, it is. It is. Yeah. It is. It is. It is. It is.
Starting point is 00:27:55 Good job. I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you. And then you put Pablo Lopez in your trade package for Brian Reynolds. wow like not just a hat rack my friend damn I'm playing like
Starting point is 00:28:09 he's flipping Thai France just to get Brian Browns I'm playing like 5D chess right now so but I just I thought that was kind of a fun idea that just popped into my head I was like oh it looks like the Marlins want
Starting point is 00:28:21 the initial process was like how do they get involved in three team deal I was like well what would it cost him just to go get Lopez and then a newt bar arise I'm like The only guy who kind of fits that mold for Seattle is France. So would you do France for Lopez? No, but is it the worst trade I've ever heard? But what if? What if?
Starting point is 00:28:47 What if? Quick type, grade that trade. Oh, man. See, the problem is I got to give you a pretty high score because it is creative. So. Oh, yes. 60. Yeah, that's what I thought. But most of it, most of it is writing creativity.
Starting point is 00:29:06 It is writing the creativity score. From a, from a sense perspective, 40. It's not lower. No, no, it's at least a 45 on the sense perspective, at least. It is at the very least Emerson Hancock's fastball. There's so much that you just said that it gives me pain inside. All right. That's going to do it for a show. Thank you so much.
Starting point is 00:29:33 The reason it gives Thai pain inside is because he knows that it kind of makes sense. I'm not omitted anything. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Locktop Mariners podcast for Colby Pat. Note, I'm tidying. It's all this. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at LO underscore Mariners. You can follow me at Dan Gonzalez, the C-A-N-Z-L-Z and Colby at C-P-E-E-E-G-N-Z-L-E. And Colby at C-Pat-E-E-T-1.
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