Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Could the Mariners Acquire Any of THESE 3 Players?

Episode Date: November 29, 2022

The rumor mill is still churning and the Seattle Mariners are popping up in a few stories. On today's show, Colby and Ty break down the three new names linked to the Mariners in the past 24-48 hours and discuss the fit, cost, and interest of Michael Conforto, Brandon Lowe, and Joey Gallo.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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The link as well as our social accounts is in the description below. On the show today, we'll be discussing the Mariners' reported interests in both Brandon Lau and Michael Conforto. Plus, Ryan Divish wrote about a three-team deal that nearly sent Marco Gonzalez to Philly and Joey Gallo to Seattle. So we'll be talking about what that could mean for Marco's market moving forward and what that means for the Mariners' interests in Joey Gallo, if there is any still heading into this winner. But before we do that, Colby, we are still running our multi-tiered giveaway to give away some of your baseball cards, some of your Mariners cards, signed Mariners cards, that is. And, yeah, just remind the folks here what they could win, how they can enter, all that good stuff. yeah so like tie said we're giving away some baseball cards or i guess i'm giving away some baseball cards

because somehow i'm the jerk but i'm the one who gives you guys stuff so i don't know all that works or whatever it's true um anyways you got you got to make up for being a jerk right like this is your you know no no no no you guys love this is not your gesture this is not your olive branch no no although i do believe some of your guys's loyalty is that easy to buy anyways um So essentially right now, we're probably going to hit this before you guys are even watching this episode. But, you know, it doesn't really matter. When we have 5,000 subscribers, I'll be giving away my autographed cow rally card. We have already hit the benchmarks to give away a Taylor Dollared autograph card, a Taylor-Tremel autograph card.

The winner of the Taylor-Tremel is also going to get a Daniel Vogel back card. So keep that in mind. And right now we're about 240 Twitter phone. followers away from activating the tier for a Jared Kelnick autograph card. We've already gotten there in terms of YouTube subs, but we need 3,000 Twitter followers, and we're at 2760. So I got a little bit of work to do there here in the next week and a half, but that's where we're at right now.

The winners are going to get picked at random from our subscribers on YouTube, probably December 8th or 9th. and then we'll get those cards out to you guys and you should you should have them by you know by Christmas I would imagine so yeah it's nice thank you guys for participating I guess if you want to go really crazy we're like 1500 behind for the next plateau but if you guys hit it I will I'll give away my Mike Cameron autograph card which you know I don't want to so Yeah, that's about it. So that's more incentive for you to hit the subscribe button because he doesn't want to give away that Mike Cameron card. And you definitely want to take that Mike Cameron card away from him.

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It's a really nice card. So maybe I want to keep it. It is a really nice card. And I think for that reason alone, and for his smug face, I always point the wrong way, but his smug face over there, you should definitely go over to at L.O. underscore Mariners on Twitter and hit the follow button. Please and thank you. All right.

We've talked about this enough. Let's get into our first main topic of the day. Michael Conforto, John Morosi, once again reporting that the Mariners have interest in Michael Conforto, who of course went to high school in Redmond and went played his college ball at Oregon State, Pacific Northwest guy, grew up a Mariners fan.

The Mariners have been collecting Mariners fans over the last few months. Jake Lamb. Matthew Boyd, Cooper Hamel most recently. Now Michael Conforto could be next on that list. Conforto has been a free agent for quite some time. He entered free agency last winter, but due to partly some concerns over his vaccine status and Scott Boris just being his agent in general

that made things pretty difficult. And then eventually, you know, I mean, well, the lockout happened. And then a shoulder injury got reported on. and he ended up having to have shoulder surgery, which basically along with the qualifying offer being attached to him, there was just a lot working against Conforto, and he just ended up sitting out the entire 2022 season. After a relative down year in 2021 for him by his standards,

a 106 WRC plus in his last year with the Mets, that was coming off of a fantastic COVID-shortened season in which he played 54 games, 157 WRC Plus, He was fantastic that season. But yeah, so the Mariners are in on him, reportedly, according to Morosi, who's been linking the Mariners to pretty much every free agent and trade target out there over the last month or so, it seems. And the Astros and a couple of other teams have been reported to be in on Conforto's market as well.

But what do you think about this fit here, Colby, with Conforto coming off of basically just not playing baseball for an entire year? Yeah, the player at his best is a really good fit in Seattle. Obviously, the Northwest ties certainly are hard to ignore. But, you know, when he's right, he's pretty close to Teosker Hernandez at his best, just from the left side. Not a great defender in a corner, but he's fine. He's decently athletic, probably a little better than Teosker defensively. you know at his best you know from which was i think from like 2017 to 2020 um he's you know a 130 wrc plus guy uh somewhere in that range he's going to hit 25 30 home runs uh lots of doubles

uh you know good average at 260 average 270 average somewhere in that range good on base skills uh he's he's a good fit he's a solid fit but again not playing baseball um for over a year now is it's a problem. It's an issue. We don't know how the shoulder is healing. It's a shoulder injury. Those are pretty serious. Less so for position players, but still, you know, pretty serious. If you don't have a good shoulder, you're not going to perform while. It's really that simple. And then there's going to be questions about what the shoulder look like, you know, Scott Boris, how open is he going to be about his client's injury? Probably not Barry. So it's just one of those that you don't have, he didn't play for a team last year. So you don't really have, you know, team medical records. to check out. So you're kind of in a tough spot. So if you get the best version of Michael Conforto, he's a tremendous fit. He's going to hit somewhere in the top three or four of your lineup every day. And he's going to help you win.

If you get 20-21 version of Conforto, you kind of get Jesse Winker with a little bit better defense. You get 22 Jesse Winker with a little bit better defense. And that's a pretty big risk to run when we're We're talking about a guy who's probably going to want, you know, 18 to 20 million dollars now. Is he going to get that? Probably not, but it only takes one team. So he's a good fit when you just consider the back of the baseball card, but when you kind of count in all the other factors, there are some questions here. And, you know, if you want to go with a risky guy, then maybe you just circle back to Mitch Hanigar.

So we'll see how it goes, but I do think it's a pretty solid fit. It's not hard to understand why the Mariners would have interest in Michael Conforto. But there are some concerns, and when we talk about the Mariners wanting to get guys who you can rely on to play every day, Michael Conforto, does he fall into that category? Not really. Yeah. Yeah, I'm interested, but there's a price where I max out. And for me, that's about $13 million A.AV. I think he's only going to get a one-year deal anyway.

Maybe something with like a mutual option for three years, a 20 million A-A-V, something like that. Maybe that's involved. But I think he's only going to get a one-year deal at the end of the day. And for me, that probably looks like something like a $7 million, $8 million base loaded with incentives that kick that up to $14, $15 million, something like that. And maybe there's an option in there as well that,

involves like a $5 million buyout. So he gets a little bit more money on the back end of that. But that's like even that is a little bit pushing it because like, you know, you would like to think that he's going to land somewhere in between his 2021 season and his 2019 season when he was. So in 2021, like I said, he was a 106 WRC plus guy. In 2019, he was a 127 WRC plus guy. So you think like, you know, with the year off, he's probably not as bad as he was in 202. 2021. He's probably going to land somewhere in the middle of that. But again, you'd like to think that you know that, but you don't actually know that. And so there's very much a possibility here that he's as big of a risk as Cody Bellinger is and could bottom out just like Bellinger has the last two years. And you basically get that guy. And you don't want to pay $13 million for that guy and let that guy be your second corner outfield ad, especially when there's someone like Mitch Hanager is probably going to make similar money and maybe a similar.

and earn a similar time commitment, your commitment rather, and you know him. Like you've already, you're very much familiar with Mitch Hanager. So that also has to be taken into account here if you're the Mariners. And there's just some other options on the market as well that I just, I like a little bit better that are probably going to be more expensive, might even cost me something via trade. But that I would trust more than Michael Conforto at this point. Because again, you just, you don't know.

You don't know how much the shoulder is going to impact him moving forward. You don't know how much the year off is going to impact him moving forward. There's just so many unknowns here with Conforto. While I like the story, while I like the upside of it, while it's certainly enticing. And I get why people would want Michael Conforto. It's just, it's pretty sketchy. It's pretty sketchy if you're going, especially if Boris and Conforto are going to demand a significant commitment. Right.

Honestly, I think the Mariners right now are looking for that left-hand hitting outfielder. I think Conforto is a fallback option if they can't land Yoshita. That would be my guess. And to me, honestly, Conforto, if you do add him, that should not prevent you from adding even another outfielder.

I think you have to add at least somebody like Will Myers. If you're going to add Conforto, you have to have somebody who can play every day if needed and at least be okay. And, you know, Myers does things well, like hit left-handed, left-handed pitching and he runs the bases really well. So I don't think you have to add, like, if you had Conforto, I don't think you also have to add, like, another Teosca Hernandez type,

but you need to add a quality major leaguer on top of Conforto to protect yourself. So the Mariners have been linked to an all-star second baseman, one of the best second baseman in the game, who's often been injured, is coming off of a big injured, injury-plagued year. But he might be available. The thing is, though, he is being linked to the Mariners

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Let's talk a little bit about Brandon Lau here, the Ray's second baseman. Jim Bowden of the athletic wrote in a column the other day, just about general things that he's hearing. He also talked about the Mariners a little bit, and there had some things to say about, you know, their preference to trade for their second baseman rather than sign one. Who knows? Bowden, we should say, before we get into anything else that he wrote about is not the most trustworthy source there is out there, especially when it comes to the Mariners. He has been very wrong about mariners-related things in the past. So take this with the smallest, smallest, tainty, inceous grain of salt.

Like just an absolute, absolute grain of salt here. So the report from Bowden is that the Mariners have checked in on Glebert Torres and Colton Wong, which we knew about. Okay. Then he also says the Mariners have been in touch with the race about Brandon Low. So Brandon Lowe has been a favorite of yours, Colby, a favorite target of yours. He's been a favorite target of one Jerry Savage to Poto on Twitter and some other folks on Twitter and in the Mariners'Fier. as well. So it doesn't come as too much of a surprise that the Mariners also just generally have interest in Brandon Lowe because I mean he's a really good player. He's 28 years old. He's not making a

ton of money. He recently signed an extension that has him locked down through 2026 through club options in 2025 and 2026. So I'm going to make four million dollars this past season, but he only played 65 games this past season. He slashed 221 308 383 with a 104 WRC plus. He was not very good. but the year before that in 2021 All-Star 247, 340, 523, 137 WRC plus he was worth almost 5F4 39 home runs from a second baseman

You don't really see that from a second baseman ever So he's a pretty special dude I asked you this on our Patreon show yesterday If we wake up on December 1st or what have you And we see the Mariners have traded for Brandon Low What is that return? going back to Tampa Bay it looked like?

It's hard for me to imagine that they could get Brandon Lowe without giving up a major league contributor, probably a pretty prominent one too. So you kind of go through it and you eliminate Gilbert and Kirby.

They're not going anywhere. We know that they're not trading. They're obviously not going to trade, Julio. So you kind of start to run out of guys pretty quick. I don't think they're going to trade Andreus Munoz. The one guy that kind of would make sense for the raise and I think the race would be interested in, it's probably Matt Brash. He's, he's, you know, a guy who can fill multiple roles. We know that

the rays like to be pretty fluid with how they use starters. Sometimes they're starters, sometimes they're relievers, openers, blah, blah, blah. Brash has experience doing all of that. Brash also obviously has tremendous stuff. He's a guy who has five, six years of club control. He's not going it costs to raise anything. So it's hard for me to imagine that the Mariners can get an everyday second basement who has all-star potential and has already done it once. It's hard for me to imagine they can get them for just prospects because the Mariners don't really have that upper echelon prospect. They don't have the elite prospect. Harry Ford is a good prospect.

Bryce Miller is a good prospect. Emerson Hancock is a good prospect. They're not great prospects. They're not can't miss guys, right? The Mariners don't have any of those guys right now. it's hard for me to imagine that the raise who are going to try and win the World Series, again, that they are going to give up, you know, a pretty big contributor for them, that they would give him up without getting somebody who can help their major league team right away.

Because it's not a money thing. The raise are cheap, but they're not as cheap as some other teams like Cleveland. They've spent money. They gave, you know, Glass now $17 million. They gave Wonderfranco a huge extension. So they're not, they're not, you know, spending as much as they probably should, but they're not also, you know, they're also not trying to avoid paying guys. And Lau is under contract for the next two years minimum at like $14 million total. And then he has a couple of club options.

He's also 28. It's just, I don't see it. The rays do have middle infield depth, at least in theory. They have Wander Franco, and then they have some guys who might be able to. to play up the middle, but we actually don't know. We really don't. Brandon Lau is the only one that's established himself. So for me, I can't see the raise trading Brandon Lau unless they're getting somebody like a Matt Brash or somebody like Andreas Munoz.

And if you're the Mariners, I mean, wouldn't you rather just go trade a lot less for Colton Wong and keep brashing in your prospects than, you know, then trade for Brandon Lowe? Probably. So I don't see it. I mean, maybe there's some kind of to create a three-team deal. Maybe, I don't know, maybe the Mariners will trade Thai France or A. Eugenio-S-Warez and the Rays are interested in that, or I don't know. Maybe the raise love, you know, Harry Ford and Jared Kalnick and Emerson Hancock, and that's enough to get it done. I doubt it. I think it's going to cost players off your Major League Roster, and the Mariners really don't have that many to give. They kind of need all their guys.

So I just have a hard time seeing this trade getting, you know, past the, the finish line. Yeah, that's why France or Suarez wouldn't be on the table because it just the baroners are probably not in the business of creating more holes, more things to do this offseason. And plus, you know, they got their guys, right? Like they have their guys for a reason, right?

They like the fit, how they fit, you know, outside of just what they do on the field. So I don't think any of those guys would be going anywhere. But brash does make a lot of sense. And if you're the Mariners and look, you know, I'm the big brash guy, right? I'm the leader of the Brash fan club here.

But if all he is at the end of day is a reliever, or at least that's all he's going to be for you with the Mariners, because that's really like his pass-load rotation is very murky, still even with the flex and Marco rumors out there, because the Mariners are looking to go out and add something significant to the rotation like a Kodai Senga. So if he's, if all he's going to be for you as a reliever, I'd rather have the guy that's going to play 140, 150 games

for me, hopefully if he stays healthy, instead of a guy who's going to throw 50, 60 high leverage innings, mostly high leverage endings for me. While that's incredibly valuable, and while you know, great bullpins are incredibly valuable to have, especially late into the postseason, we saw how valuable that is. Again, I just, I would rather have the guy that's going to impact me more throughout the regular season and hopefully into the postseason. And so, you know, that's a, that's a no-brainer for me. If that can actually get it done, I'm probably pulling the trigger on that. The problem is

I think it's going to take brash and then some because like Colby said Lau is a bargain for the race. They are not just going to give him up. This is potentially, I mean, if he stays healthy, he's one of the best second baseman at all baseball. He is top three to top five

and you're not just going to get, like you're not just going to get a second basement who hits nearly 40 home rides. And now I don't know if that's exactly who he is full-time, but that kind of year that he had. And, you know, the raise can basically use the injuries in 2022 as an excuse that, you know, this was probably just a fluke, right? Like, we're not lowering his value because he added down year in 2022.

It's probably just injuries, all that stuff. They're going to value him as the 2021 guy that he was. And so you're going to have to pay that cost, and that's going to be very expensive. And so you're talking possibly Brash plus Harry Ford. plus, you know, Bryce Miller plus, you know, whatever. Yeah. It's not just going to be brash straight up. So at that point, I'm out.

Yep. Agreed. Yeah. I, you know, honestly, like I, and this is obviously very easy for me to say, because it's not my money at the end of the day. But I think you would honestly be better served to just go spend the exorbitant amount of money on, you know, one of the short stops that are out there than giving up three, you know, high-end assets for, you know, for Brandon Lowe.

So, yeah. All right. Lastly, on our list here, unless you have anything else to add on LOW. No. Okay. All right. So Ryan Debish in one of his most recent columns on The Times had an interesting little nugget of information here saying, quote, per multiple MLB sources and other reports, the Mariners were working on a potential trade that would have sent Marco Gonzalez to the Phillies in the days leading up to the trade deadline. sources and rumors indicated it was a three-team deal. that would have possibly sent Yankees outfielder Joey Gallo to Seattle. So that's pretty interesting. Gallo, of course, ended up going to the Dodgers. Fared a little bit better in L.A., but still wasn't very good. But the Mariners seem to have at least put in the effort here to take a shot on Gallo. And it's easy to see why they would like Gallo because he's a solid defender in a corner, even, you know, a good defender, even in a corner and can hit for a ton of power, obviously

strikes out a ton, all that stuff. That's very much well documented. But it's interesting that they were willing at least, seemingly to take a shot on Gallo. And so now that begs the question, are the Mariners still interested in Gallo? Because they have a corner outfield spot that they're looking to feel they've been open about wanting to do that. Gallo is still out there. I would presume that Gallo is going to be pretty cheap on the market, considering the way that the last couple years have gone for him since he went to New York and eventually L.A.

So what do you think about Gallo? We just talked about Michael Conforto, who's kind of a big risk. Gallo would also be a big risk, but he's also probably not going to cost a lot. So how do you think that lines up for the Mariners? I don't think there's going to be a tremendous amount of interest. You know, it's always interesting to know. deals that almost happened like this because there were a lot of questions. Like, were the Mariners willing to take on Joey Gallo because they thought they could fix him

or because they were kind of thinking ahead and were like, hey, you know, he at the very least is a defensive upgrade in the outfield. And we can get rid of a good chunk of Marco Gonzalez's contract when we know that we want to trade him this winter anyways. So, you know, that could have been some long-term thought there. And Gallo's contract comes off the books. we get Marco's contract off the books and we get, you know, I mean, essentially Jared Keltnik is what they would have traded for.

So, yeah, I don't know that they're going to be interested in them in free agency. We don't know how the Mariners, scouts, and analysts felt about Gallo. Did they think that they can help him? Do they think that they have the fix that can make him, you know, help him make more contact? Maybe because all Gallo has. to do to be a valuable player is hit like 220. I mean, that's really it. He gets to strike out down to like 34% instead of 40%.

He's been a valuable player at those numbers because he can hit 40 home runs. But if he can't, you know, Joey Gallo is a bulk play, right? He needs at bats to help you. But you can't give him at bats if he's going to strike out 45% of the time. So it's kind of a catch-22 there. So I don't think the Mariners are going to be all that interested in free agency in Gallo going after Gallo and free agency. I think that was more about being able to move Marco's contract and kind of looking at the team and be like, you know, we'll take a shot on Gallo and if he hits great.

And also comparing it to what else was available, right, at the time. Right. So yeah, it sounds like talks got pretty far there. I just have a hard time imagining that the Mariners front office looked at Joey Gagher. Allen was like, we can fix him or we can help him because he's not the Mariners value, you know, based on ball to strikeout ratio. They do. I mean, they want guys who draw walks, but they want guys who don't strike out.

Now, they have a few guys who strike out and they'll live with that. But how many can you put in one lineup? How many is Jerry going to be comfortable putting in the lineup? Because you already have A. E. E. Hanyos Suarez who's going to strike out a lot. You already have, you know, Cal Rale, who got better, but he still strikes out quite a bit. You already have guys who swing and miss. right a lot so do they want to add another one maybe but maybe they don't so i i don't think that joie gallo is going to be a guy who they go out and actively target i think we get into late

january early february and they say hey you want one and three or whatever yeah uh and with some incentives and maybe that's something they do but right now i can't imagine joey gallo is really on their mind at all. Yeah, same. You know, and the other thing too, right? Like, you know, a lot of people are going to say, well, I think the shift is really going to help Joey Gallo. I think he's going to benefit a lot from the shift being banned.

He's going to hit for more singles, presumably. But what's 20 more points of batting average when he was hitting 160 this past season slugging 3.57? Because that's not going to add anything to a slugging percentage. And Joey Gallo, like his whole offensive value to you is the power. and if he's slugging 357, he's useless. Like, flat out. Like, if he's striking out 40% of the time and slugging 357, it's a bad baseball player.

He shouldn't be playing for a contending team. You might as well just roll with Jared Keldick, because at least there's upside. Yeah. So, yeah, I just, I think that was more about just trying to dump Marco's contract by taking on a bad, a bad contract. But, yeah, shook out 39% of the time last year. Yeah. He hasn't hit over 200 since 2019.

Yeah. And while that 39% and it's basically 40% because it's 39.8%, even though that's his career high, I mean, that's like where he's been, like, for the most part. He's been 35, 34, 36, 38%. You know, like that's just who Joey Gallo is. Now he walks a lot to kind of counteract that. But then you're just kind of talking about a super version of Jesse Winker with like better defense and I just

I would rather be better than that 2022 Jesse Winker that is right so like yeah he's Jack Cust like God why did you have to say that name on Sontadayshad G's three true outcome guy it's interesting though because like his

best year offensively was undoubtedly 2019 now he only played in 70 games which which sure is war overall but in in 2019 or 2019 he had 253 3 3 389-5-98.

It's a 144 WRC plus. That's, you know, Julio had a 145 WRC plus this last year, I think. That was in 70 games. And he had a 3.2 F-4 in half a season. So you do the math, six-win player. And what's interesting about that is that that year,

his strikeout rate was 38.4%. So Gallo has had success. Striking out 35, 38% of the time. But now you hear, he also walked 17.5%. This last year was 13.7. So Joey Gallo is a guy who still has power, still a good athlete, can still draw walks. But he's drawing fewer walks. He's hitting fewer home runs.

But the strikeouts aren't falling. That's the difference. And the shift ban, it's not going to help them all that much. Joey Gallo hits a ton of fly balls. he's not going to, you know, all of a sudden start trying to hit singles through it. He's going to swing. He's going to swing for the fences. That's what Joey Gallo does.

So this idea that people are overvaluing the shift ban for the wrong guys. Like the shift band might help Carlos Santana, but it might not. The shift band probably isn't going to help. Well, because again, you know, just as I was saying, it's mostly going to lead to singles, right? You're not going to get a ton of extra base hits out of the shift being banned. That's just because most of the time,

what does the shift prevent? It prevents those singles in between the three and four hole that goes directly to the right fielder, right? Like no one's getting extra bases out of that. Or the ball hit right back up the middle. Yeah. Which are also almost always singles. Yeah, by the way, Joey Gallo hitting,

like 20 more, like let's say Joey Gallo hits 190 next year, right? If they're all singles, that doesn't matter. He's still, yeah, that's what I was saying. It's like he's still slugging 357 like he did this past season. So it's like he needs to provide more power because like when he was at his, you know,

best while he was still striking out, you know, 35 plus percent of the time, he was also cranking 40 bombs, right? Or, you know, he was on pace to crank 40 bombs in that 2019 season. So that's the kind of value that you have to get out of Joey Gallo if you're going to sign him. And if you're banking on him to actually produce, if you're actually banking on him to be a legitimate part of your offseason, that's what you need out of Joey Gallo in order for that

to be a success. And I just don't think that you can provide that at this time. Yeah. If you're signing Joey Gallo, right? If you're the marriage and you're signing Joey Gallo, you need to be in a position where he has a really hard time making this team where it's like, yeah, he could do it. If he, you know, if we think he can do this, this and this to help himself. And if he does it and he looks good, he can do it. But right now, because he's only making two million dollars or whatever,

he's only going to get, you know, he's, he's battling with Kellnick and Trammel and, and Conforto and Myers or Yoshita, like whatever. Like, he's legitimately fighting for a job. That's the only way you should, you should look at Joey Gallo. were going to be teams that offer him major league opportunities. But if I were the Mariners, I would probably offer him a minor league contract with a spring training invite.

Right. And if he makes the team by like X date, it's like $6 million or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, Gallo probably should go play for like Cincinnati or Pittsburgh or somebody like that. But we'll see.

Joey Gallo is intriguing. He is an interesting player. But there's just too many questions for me to think for me to believe that the Mariners are really interested in him as a free agent. Yeah. So at the end of the day, we're basically saying maybe to Michael Conforto, probably not to Brandon Lowe and no to Joey Gallo. Like he's interesting, but do better. Yeah, yeah, do better, please. All right.

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