Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Dear Mariners, Go Get Pete Alonso

Episode Date: January 17, 2025

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The Mariners should go after Pete Alonzo. We'll tell you why. Coming up here on the Locked-on Marrars podcast. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Ahoy, Sailors, and is Friday, January 17th, 2025.

This is Tad de Gazzalas and Colby Patnaud for the Lockdown Marys Podcast. Part of the Locked-on podcast network, your team every day. We're going to talk quite a bit about Pete Alonzo today. his market has completely cratered and the Mets have apparently moved on and we think the Mariners absolutely need to get in on this thing. We'll also quickly cover Seattle's latest minor league signing and then get into some of your trades for Fan Fiction Friday. But before we do that, quick shout out to our title sponsor today. FanDuel from the first whistle to the final drive, fan duel makes the NFL playoffs even more exciting. Right now, new customers can bet $5 and get $300 in both.

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M mentions the New York Mets, mentions the Toronto Blue Jays, which is kind of surprising and kind of weird. And then there's a third unidentified mystery team, and we still don't know the identity of said mystery team. But then a couple hours later, it gets reported out in New York that the Mets are proceeding as if Pete Alonzo is going to play elsewhere in 2025,

that they have essentially closed the door. Now, maybe the door is still unlocked, but the door seems closed on the Mets end when it comes to Pete Alonzo. And there's been some reports about offers. And we'll get into that in a second. But yeah, so I have been wondering for a while now, just in general, from a pure baseball fan perspective, not even from a Mariners fan perspective. Like, if Pete Alonzo doesn't go back to New York, where the hell is he going to go? because this was a saturated first base market

and free agency this year and a lot of those names have gone off the board a couple of a couple of names have also been traded like Josh Naylor went to the Diamondbacks Nate Lowe went to the nationals and then obviously you know the free agents like Christian Walker went to the Astros

Paul Goldschmidt went to the Yankees so on and so forth all of or at least most of the first base needy teams in major league baseball heading into this winter have gotten a first basement. Some of them have gotten two. So at this point, like, who makes sense other than the New York Mets in a reunion with Pete Alonzo for Alonzo?

Minnesota twins have an obvious need at first base, but they're going through a potential ownership change. They haven't really spent any money over the last few acquisition periods. doesn't seem like they're going to be in the market for Pete Alonzo. The San Francisco Giants make some sense getting Alonzo to upgrade over Lamont Wade Jr. But we haven't heard about them at all. And then there's the Seattle Mariners, Colby. And right now, it looks like Pete Alonzo is looking at signing what is going to essentially be a one-year deal with a high Aav.

so he can reenter the market next winter and go get the bag that he was looking for this winter. And next winner in free agency, he's going to have a lot less competition. It's basically Vlad Jr., he's like the big one, right? He's arguably the biggest free agent that's going to hit the market next winter. But after that, it's Josh Naylor, all right,

and then Max Muncie. And then, you know, we'll see how good of a year or how bad of a year Paul Goldschmidt has in New York. And that's about it. So there's going to be a real opportunity for Alonzo next year to go get paid. So right now, though, if he wants to take that essentially a one-year deal so you can go hit the market again, this is a perfect opportunity for the Mariners in theory. And we'll get into why it probably doesn't happen.

I mean, it should be obvious why it's probably not going to happen. But yeah. But you have the need. Here's one of the best players at that position of need. and you likely don't have to commit to them super long term if that long term at all, any sort of, you know, beyond 2025, right? So I think they should absolutely be on this. I think it would be malpractice not to be in on this,

not to be aggressive on this. And, you know, I don't care about losing draft capital signing him. I don't care about the risk of, oh, he might pick up his player option next year. If there are player options involved in the deal, if, you know,

he doesn't have the greatest a year. I'm not worried about him being Mitch Garver. I'm not worried about any of that. Pete Alonzo right now would make the Mariners definitively better than the Houston Astros and the Texas Rangers in my mind. Like I understand or I understood when we thought Alonzo was going to get five, six, seven years and,

you know, between $150, $200 million. you look at that and you say, no, we just don't think he's worth that. Like, okay, that is reasonable. But we're talking about a 31-year-old, 30-year-old, and we're talking about, what we know the Mets last offer was, was three years between $68 and $70 million. And what was later reported, you know, a couple hours after that was that the deal did

have opt-outs. And Alonzo said no to that. So Seattle would probably have to beat that offer, although if the Mets are out on Alonzo, they truly are moving on, then that offer probably doesn't exist anymore. Right. I mean, because you don't have that to fall back on if the Mets are out. Like the Mets aren't looming in the background as a big threat. And so it's Toronto, San Francisco, maybe Minnesota, but again, they've shown me no willingness. Right. And the Cubs kind of probably need that thing to be on their terms because they already have Michael Bush.

You know, they already have a D.H kind of logjam with their outfielders. So, you know, you look at it and you say Seattle should be involved here. They should be willing to at least match that deal that the Mets offered. And oh, by the way, that's more money for Alonzo than if he had signed with the Mets. No state income tax comes into play here a little bit. I was interested. I did this last night. Apparently, if he signed in Toronto.

Now, it's not exactly because it depends on where you play the games, how you get, it's very complicated. So it's not like the, if it's $25 million a year, right? if he played every game in Toronto, which obviously he doesn't. His tax hit for both the income tax and the province tax or whatever, he would end up making about 13 or about 11.6 of that 25 million playing for the Blue Jays.

Make a lot more playing for the Mariners at the same offer. But so yeah, you look at a guy and you have the need. You provide, you give Alonzo a legitimate, shot to make the playoffs and maybe even go to the World Series, much more so than the Blue Jays, much more so than the Giants can offer him right now.

You give Toronto, California, you're going to be pretty heavily taxed there on your income. You come to Seattle, less so. So you're actually making more money if you pick Seattle. I'm not worried about the ballpark at all for Alonzo from a mariner's side of things. I think you'll make Team Mobile Park look small. I'm not worried about that. So, I mean, maybe he is.

And that's the thing too, right? Is Alonzo even willing to consider Seattle? And if he's not fine. Especially if it's on like kind of a one year basis where he's trying to reset his market and go get broken off next winter. Right. But if you hit at T-Mobile Park, you could hit anywhere. So it works kind of both ways.

So yeah, like Alonzo might not be interested at all. And that's fine. I can't blame him if he's not. But you need to have the conversation and you need to make an offer that is good enough that he can't just dismiss you because your offer was a joke. Right. Like it needs to be a legitimate offer. It needs to,

you need to make a legitimate pitch for him to come play for you. And at the end of the day, you're expanding payroll by what? 10 to 12-ish million dollars over what you had already set. So you can go get one of the best players on the free agent market in a very unique situation where, you know, to call back,

unfortunately to Kevin Mather. talking to the Bellevue Rotary Club, whatever it was. He's essentially coming to the market hat in hand. Like it's perfect for you and how you operate as scummy as it is. Yeah. And it's very clearly how they still want to operate. So, yeah, it's, like I said, this is a situation that's fallen into your lap pretty well. It's similar to the Matt Chapman conversation from last year.

And the Mariners. at least we're willing to say like, oh, we're keeping tabs on that. You know, we're, now how much of an effort did they really make? Probably none, if we're being honest. But they should make the effort this year. Uh, because Alonzo, by the way is not only is, not only is he like a good baseball player who would make your lineup better. He'd hit third or fourth. And, but he's like a legitimate star.

And I don't mean that he's like an eight win player. Like I mean, he is like, but he's incredibly marketable. Yes. Far more than Christian Walker. right and if you were willing to go like 20 million a year for walker which you had to have been willing to do to even think you had a shot at him pita lonso in a way is kind of first base randy a roserana and we see how much they're trying to promote randy or rosarena right now like he's got a bobblehead he's got a hoodie giveaway all that yeah he's a promotional star star played for the Mets he's won a couple home run derbies he's hitting 40 bombs a year like he is the star power that completely not Not only doesn't make your ball club better, which should be the primary focus here,

but he can tilt the entire offseason on its head. And all of a sudden you go from a team who doesn't care about winning a team that isn't even trying to compete, a team that's not willing to spend money. And in one move, you can change the narrative on all of that. And consequently, consequently, also make your baseball team better. Like it's a win, win, win. There's literally zero reasons for the Mariners not to be publicly stating that we're going to go and try and get this done. or we're going to make an offer to Pete Alonzo and see if he wants to come here.

Because you lose nothing if he doesn't want to come here. Like, okay, well, we tried. But if he does want to come here and you can get him, especially on a three-year deal with opt-outs and whatnot, like he apparently wants, you'd be idiots not to pursue this. Absolute idiots, not to pursue it on top of being just greedy, which, hey, you know what? Again, it's really hard to underestimate the Mariners,

particularly ownership's greed and their stupidity, all the same time, but Alonzo is just different. You know, it's not like expanding the budget to go get Christian Walker, who might be a better player than Alonzo. Probably not, but might be. Like, Alonzo is marketable. He is a star. And he is the guy who changes the entire narrative.

By the way, on the Walker thing, you know, you're talking about a guy that if he signed with you, was probably going to command four years guaranteed. Whereas with Alonzo, again, we're probably talking. talking one guaranteed year plus a couple of player options. Like essentially the Cody Bellinger deal or the Matt Chapman deal, right? The Bellinger deals 3 and 80 is a really good comp.

And if you're worried that Alonzo might not have the year he thinks he or he might not have the year he wants to have and he picks up that option, guess what you do? Cody Bellinger was traded. Like you can always trade these contracts and oh, you can't really trade them. Unless they're Mitch Hanager, you can absolutely trade these contracts. contracts. And you might have to eat a little bit of money, but you're going to save so much more. And just, again, the narrative switch that happens just by making this one move. Yeah.

Is insane. And so you'd be stupid not to not only consider it, not only pursue it, but make it very publicly known that like it's, it's not just what you need is not just what you need positionally roster wise. It's what you need optically. It makes a ton of sense on so many different fronts. You have to pursue this. You have to at this point.

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timeline they're both going to be player options so let's call it 25 million aavey and, you know, to opt out, he'll get $5 million. So he's going to guarantee himself at least $30 million. And if, you know, if things go a little sideways this year and he wants to stay and, you know, for another year in Seattle, okay, cool. He's got $25 million waiting for him on the other side of that. Maybe he comes, you in the American League West. You get to the World Series or whatever.

And he goes, I kind of want to stay. He's probably going to want more to stay. Right. Right. I mean, I'm sure he will. But, you know, maybe the possibility is there that he actually just likes it here and he wants to stay. Yeah. You know, and apparently he likes hunting and fishing and it's like, okay. Right.

I mean, and once you get guys to Seattle, you never really had a hard time convincing them to stay. It's just getting them here in the first place that you tend to struggle with. So, but anyways, like, and even if you don't want Alonzo to stay, even if he has a good year, you just trade him. It's such a no-brainer. and it's very similar to the Bellinger thing. Belanger ended up getting 3 and 80, which is, I mean, essentially the same thing as 3 and 75.

It's not a difference. That's noticeable on your payroll. Bellinger's, I believe his breakdown was 27.5 in 2024 with a $2.5 million buyout. Now, he didn't take that. So he made 27 flat,

but it was 30 million guaranteed if he wanted it. So, yeah, I do think that something in that Belanger range, you know, some people are like, would you give four and one 10? Like, I wouldn't want to. And I don't think he would take it. I think he'd still want the opt-outs is the thing here. So for me, I'm pretty like three and 80, give or take, a couple million bucks.

The opt-outs are going to be important here. The buyouts are going to be important here. But, yeah, I think it's such an over. Like, there's literally no reason for you not to offer the Bellinger contract to him. Knowing full well, he may very well say no. I don't want to come to Seattle. And that's fine. It's a bummer, but it's fine. At least you may be a... But you have to make the effort. If you don't make the effort, frankly, you don't care enough about winning.

No. I mean, it's so blatantly obvious because we talked about this, right? Like, oh, we don't want to spend big contracts on older players, blah, blah, blah, blah. This isn't a big contract. Yep. And Alonzo is 30. You don't have, you don't have an excuse. No. None of your typical excuses that you throw out. They don't apply here. No, they don't. So, you don't have... Yeah, it's such a no-brainer. And like you said, essentially to get this done, they would have to add an extra $12-ish million in payroll, which they will absolutely make back in revenue

and ticket sales and jersey sales and interest. Yeah, all those people in that Reddit thread that was making the rounds the other day that were canceling their flex memberships, they might re-up again. I might buy one and I'm two and a half hours away. You sign Pete Alonzo. You'll get a lot of people interested in your ball club.

all over again. Right. And not just, again, you'll get the national media interest in your ball club. And all the slam pieces, which are very well earned from the national media, you can kind of start to turn that narrative around. And not only that, turn the narrative around the media, turn the narrative around amongst the players, both in Seattle and who aren't in Seattle,

who kind of look at the merits and go like that to go. Oh, yeah, you, you think only we're pissed off about what you're doing this offseason. Right. I don't know. That's fine people on how he feels. Right. Could buying Pete Alonzo also buy you a couple extra years of Cal Raleigh of Logan Gilbert of George Kirby? Maybe it might. It's certainly not going to hurt. Yeah, can't hurt. Can't hurt to try it. Yeah, it's such a no-brainer. And what makes it really sad is that even though like literally everybody, I haven't seen Mariners like Twitter in general so on the same page about anything since at least Otani. And we, we, we, we, we, that was more of a joke than anything because we knew there was a zero percent shot that could ever happen.

But I don't know we've been more united on it. Like this is such a no-brainer. And yet we're also so united on the idea that even though it's a no-brainer, Stanton in the ownership group don't have brains. So it's not. I'll say this. Jerry and Justin should be hounding John Stanton, Chris Lars and the rest of that ownership group about this every single day until Pete Alonzo signs elsewhere. Like give us more money.

Hey, John. How's it going? Give us more money. Seriously, like every single minute that you are in front of that man, in front of that ownership group, ask him for more money so you can go get Pete Alonzo. Yep. It makes too much damn sense. And if you don't do it, if this ownership group is not willing to do it, they don't care about winning. Which I think we already do, but still.

Should still be said. Yep. So, yeah, I think that pretty much wraps up our thoughts on Pete Alonzo. He should be a mariner, right? Or at the very least, they should make a major, major effort to making him a mariner. And again, if he just doesn't want to, if he doesn't want to come to Seattle, you can't force the guy, right? But there has to be a very, very aggressive pursuit of Pete Alonzo at this point. It's just fallen perfectly in your lap.

Right. And I don't think any of us are sitting here saying, like, just give him six years and 100, $50 million, get it done. No, no. We're being very reasonable about the type of contract we want to give him, that we're willing to give him. It falls in line with what he's been offered, his best offers. It falls in line with what other players have gotten in recent years. Right. That have also seen their markets crater in similar fashions. Nothing that we're asking here is out of bounds of the way any other team in baseball would operate. So we're not asking you to spend a billion dollars on Shohei Otani, which he should have done, but. whatever. You know, like, we're not asking. We're asking you to spend $75 million and really probably $30 million to completely change the narrative and change the excitement level and get back some of the goodwill. You threw away over the last year.

And change the ALS picture. Yep. Show us you care. Yeah. All right. So the mariner's pile of minor league arms continues to grow per Jomero. Morosi, the mariners have agreed to terms on a minor league deal with Shantaro Fujinami, who had a really interesting 2023, where he signed a deal with the A's, was awful there,

ended up getting traded to Baltimore and was fine. It's loud stuff. There's a lot to dream on with Shantaro Fujinami, which is why he's gotten an opportunity. He ended up signing with the Mets last year and had a rough go of it down in the minors. 36 and a third innings pitched in the minors last year with Mets. Listen to these K per 9 and walk per 9 splits, Colby. 10, 9 Ks per 9, 817 walks per 9. It's not going to work.

So he's either walking dudes or striking them out. right so yeah again it's worth stressing it's a minor league deal it is a a pile arm probably starts the year and in triple a but when you actually watch him and don't just stare at the numbers what you see is a fastball that's anywhere between 98 and 103 and that obviously went up when he went into the bullpen so as a starter he was 98 bullpen he was touching 100 to you know well he's touching 103 i saw him throw him 103 he's also got a pretty good splitter, really good cutter, actually,

which he didn't throw all that much. And yes, he is a near elite extension guy, I believe 88th percentile in extension. He was in our offseason plan last year, I'm not mistaken. We liked him on like a one year, three, four million dollar deal.

And so, yeah, it's pretty good stuff. The question is, and always has been, like, can he throw enough strike? because even when he was good in like in Baltimore and it's it was really hit or miss he was good sometimes bad sometimes uh but you know he opponents hit 209 against him in the bullpen with a 351 slug both are pretty good uh but the 319 on base is because of the 12 and a half percent walk rate he had with Baltimore out of their bullpen uh but he did strike out 69 guys and 61 innings

uh 37 percent whiff rate on both the splitter and the cutter So those are two legit swing and miss pitches. My hunch is that the Mariners will ask him to kind of not necessarily shelve the foreseamer, but to throw more cutters and more splitters and attack hitters that way. Ditch all the stuff that doesn't work, the sinker, the curveball, you know, the four seamer as throwing it 60% of the time, like, and just really focus on the pitches that help. But none of that is going to matter if they can't get him in the strike zone. He needs to throw more strikes.

Plain and simple. This is like 20 grade control and command. If you can get him to 40, 45, I mean, he might be a high leverage arm. That's the stuff that we're working with here. So yeah, it's a good shot to take. And it's free. So nothing to lose. Yeah.

Just another really interesting arm to throw on the pile of a minor league signing that we're talking about. Like that should tell you how good the stuff is. This, this might be. the most interesting pile of arms they've put together. And usually they always have a really interesting group, but you look at some of the names and some of the stuff that some of these guys bring like Adonis Medina in that change up, right? And then there's like Drew Pomerant who hasn't pitched in the big leagues in three years,

but was a high-levelage reliever before, you know, injuries started to come into play and all that. Yeah. I'm fascinated by this group. And Fujinami, again, there's a reason why teams have taken shots on Fujinami. It's just none of them have been able to crack the code on getting him in the strike zone yet. But right.

I mean, this is this is probably it. Like if the barons can't do it, then no one probably can. He's probably headed back to Japan or he's retiring. Yeah. So we'll see. But if they are able to crack the code, worth a shot. Could be fun. Could be fun.

All right. We got some trades. of yours to get into not as many as we usually do on fan fiction Friday we'll probably only do a couple but we're going to get into those in just a moment first a reminder of this episode of the locked on marries podcast is brought to you by fanduel from the first whistle to the final drive fan duel makes the NFL playoffs even more exciting right now new customers can bet five dollars and get 300 bucks in bonus bets if you win your first bet that's $300 to keep the action going just visit fanduel to join today and get started with $300 in bonus bets.

That's Fandual.com. Make this playoff season unforgettable with Fanduel, an official sportsbook partner of the NFL. And you're listening to the Lockdown-Marras podcast. It's time to get into the Fan Fiction Friday part of our show today. We got a couple of trades that we wanted to go over today from you guys. This one comes from Eudanus, who has a deal with the Minnesota Twins,

Willie Castro and Edward Julianne for Harry Ford, Michael O'Royle, Ryan Bliss, and Trent Thornton. So one of the reasons that we wanted to talk about this trade is because there was I saw an MLB trade rumors

article today that was talking about seems like the market's starting to heat up for the twins in terms of trades. They might be trading some players off of their roster. Willie Castro was one of the names mentioned. Though the article did say that they would prefer to keep him because of the versatility even though he's only

that he only has a year left on his deal. So might be pricey to get them to part with him because this is a team that from the outside looking in seems like is at least going to try to compete despite not doing anything this offseason. So yeah, so it might take a bit to get Willie Castro from the Minnesota Twins. Do you think Harry Ford, Michael O'Royle, Ryan Bliss, and Trent Thornton is enough to get him plus Edward Julianne, Colby? Yeah, Julian's really interesting because he's kind of lost his job. He looked like he was maybe the second baseman of the future. He had a really good 2023, struggled in 24, and obviously Brooks Lee and Correa is still there and Royce Lewis.

and Willie Castro is apparently sticking around. So, like, they're pretty well covered in the infield. So Julian might be available and he might actually be, you know, the best shot you have at making a deal with Minnesota because you probably trade a reliever who would help them. Like, Thornton for Julianne might make sense for them. Castro, like Ford, Arroyo and Bliss for Castro, I would certainly do that if I were Minnesota for one year.

To me, this is pretty pricey. to give up if you were the Mariners for one year of Castro and then you're taking the shot on Julianne being closer to what he was in 2023 which by the way there are still platoon issues there and strikeout issues there and a little bit of defensive issues there so like Julian's not by any stretch the ideal player but he is an interesting one so I actually think the Mariners are giving up a lot here and that might be what it takes to get the twins interested in moving Willie Castro obviously you know again prospects always

beauties in the eye of the beholder, blah, blah, blah. But yeah, to me, this is an overpay for the Mariners, but that might be what it takes. So I don't know, 45. You know, now that I think about it, a Julian Solano platoon, makes some sense. Yeah, could actually work.

You know, and Julianne's played some first, and you still have the DH, so you can have both of them in the lineup at the same time if you need to. Yeah. So, yeah, I just think this is a little bit rich for me, but again might be what it cost

so yeah I'll go 50 I'll go 50 solid I actually really like the idea of Julian taking that shot I mean we're just a year removed from him putting up a 150 WRC plus against Ritey's mm-hmm yeah

walks power yeah walked a lot also struck out a lot but whatever yeah I'd take that shot on Julian for sure Brian Hayes is the

target for Xander Kent here. The pirates get Mitch Hanager, Ben Williamson, Tyler Locklear, and $8.5 million in cash. So essentially, the money gets wiped out here. Right. Which means Mitch Hanigur really doesn't need to be in this trade. Well, you're adding to Brian Hayes without any changes to your payroll. Yeah, and it's about $8 million. bucks this year

so which unfortunately to the Mariners is probably very important yeah yeah but to the pirates I think them taking Mitch Hanager is worthless in this deal I just don't think that he's

much of anything but basically the deal is Williamson and Locklear for Cabrine Hayes like that's what it boils down to at the end of the day especially from a marriage perspective if it's going to be cash neutral like you're not saving any money by

by trading Hanager, you are opening up a bench spot, which is nice. But like, whatever. They probably would rather try and trade Hanager to save some money. And they're not doing that here. But anyways, if you just look at it from a Williamson and Locklear for Cabrion Hayes situation, I mean, yeah, maybe. I myself am not a big fan of Cabrian Hayes. I think that, you know, trusting a guy who, like, sealing offensive.

is probably Josh Rojas, like, I'm not really a fan of that. You know, I have questions. And obviously there were, what was it, a back issue last year? He had an injury that he was trying to deal with last year. And it affected his defense. So it probably affected his, you know, hit tool as well. But his career high, WRC Plus is 100. Am I right?

Yeah. So you're basically hoping that he is a league average bat who plays, elite insane third base defense and to be fair he's only done exactly that once in his career and he still has three full seasons right and he still has what four years left on that contract at about 35 million dollars give or five yeah yeah so it's not an absurd contract but again to the mariners unfortunately it kind of is so this is interesting i think ultimately i would probably pull the trigger on this of our because I'm not a huge Locklear guy to begin with. And Williamson, you kind of hoping he is Cabrion Hayes.

Like, that's kind of what you're hoping the ceiling is. So I probably take the shot on this. I don't know how it works with the money and having Hanager involved and all that. That just seems a little too messy, but I get what you're trying to do. And it does open up a bench spot so you can do that fine. But yeah, I think this is pretty interesting. I don't know if it's enough, but I think it's pretty interesting. It kind of depends on how the pirates value.

Brian Hayes. The money is fine. Like, it's not, it shouldn't be a huge obstacle, unfortunately, for the mayor as it is. And because I just, I don't have any faith in him being anything more than like an 80 WRC plus bat with elite defense.

It's basically Josh Rojas. Yeah. That just feels like something the mayors are going to end up having to, like, attach a prospect to you in the next year or two to get off of their bucks. Yeah. So, for that reason I think I'm out

unfortunately yeah like you should just be able to eat 8 million dollars a year yeah as silly as that is I just I can I have a pretty good vision of like where this would be heading though

if they're wrong on Cabrion Hayes and yeah right and again them being right them being right on Cabrion Hayes is not like a super special place when you consider the position he plays and how he hits like yeah yeah so i'd say 40 um

i'll go 45 because i think that i think the deal itself is more than fine for like yeah if we're just talking to like in a vacuum like for if this was just any team right this would be more than fun yeah but uh yeah i just i feel like i can see where that would end up heading old Stanton Clause strikes again. Yeah, yeah. So that's really why this doesn't get a higher grade for me. But, yeah. All right.

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