Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - DECISION TIME: Will the Seattle Mariners Reinstate the Piggyback?! | Mailbag Monday

Episode Date: June 15, 2026

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All right, well, now that the road trip is over, what will the marauders do about their rotation? We'll discuss coming up here on mailbag Monday. Colby, hit it. You are locked on mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Ahoy, sailors, it is Monday, June 15th, 2026. My name is Tadding Gisalus, and I'm joined as always by my co-coast, Colby Patnode. This episode is brought to you by Odo.

Great organizations win because operations matter. and that's why you should get O-D-O-D-O-D-com slash locked-on. That's O-D-O-O-O-O-D-com slash L-C-K-E-O-N. It's mailbag Monday. Let's answer some of your Mariners questions, starting with this one from Code Mode, who wants to know,

what do you think the rotation decision will be? Another piggyback, or do they finally send someone to the bullpen? It's, you know, the Mariners have not committed to anything beyond this road trip, and now we're back to kind of a one day off a week schedule for the next couple. So I can't really use the long schedule as an excuse anymore. My hunches is that

they probably just roll with the piggyback again this time through. With the caveat being what's wrong with Munoz. Obviously he left yesterday's game with back tightness. Something he's dealt with in the past. So obviously you're already down Brash and Chriswell and

Vargas. You have been all year. So, you know, if Munoz does have to go to the IL, and we don't know one way or another right now, for all we know he's pitching tomorrow. But if that is something that, you know, they want to take care of and, you know, an IL stint is they feel necessary, then I think at that point you kind of have to put Luis in the bullpen. I don't know that you have much of a choice. You just, you don't have leverage arms, especially from the right side. I mean, you'd be without Braschen Munoz.

that pretty much leaves Bizarro. And, you know, Bizarro's been solid this year, but not super great, not as good as it was last year even. So it's kind of one of those things where it's like, yeah, at some point, you just can't have this many leverage arms down

and then continue to also be an extra arm down. Like you can't be missing two leverage guys and only have seven guys in your bullpen because you want to carry this six-man rotation because you're afraid to make a decision. You know, so as much as you want to keep Luis stretched out and blah, blah, blah, blah, like, look, man, we got to win games now and we got to do what's best for the club now. And unfortunately, that means Luis, probably the guy you're going to throw in the bullpen. So if Munoz is hurt, then it needs to go in the IL, then I don't think you can do a piggyback.

My hunches is that they probably will. I don't know if you overworked the guys because of the six-man rotation. because, you know, the four times you used it, it worked really well, like, at least on the field. So I wouldn't say that, but I just don't think you can keep asking the bullpen to be a man short. And then also on top of that, be, you know, have your two best leverage arms on the IL. Like, I just don't think that's sustainable. So I think you need to help them out. So Munoz is going to the IL.

They should put Castillo into the bullpen full time. I mean, maybe Hancock into the bullpen full time, kind of had the start. we were waiting for him to have yesterday. So maybe that's a thing you look at. But my hunch is that they ultimately end up piggybacking this time through once again. Yeah, that's my guess as well, no matter what happens with Munoz, really. And I think they would be at least fairly justified to roll it out again because, I mean, in terms of the on-field results, just strictly the on-field results, it worked excellently.

so yeah we'll see what they want to decide there but yeah as far as the bullpen goes i mean if you lose munoz on top of losing brash and chriswell and you already know that you're going to be without brash for a while i think going to castillo and asking him to go to the bullpen the context of that would be a lot different than it would have been you know a few weeks ago because a few weeks ago it would have been more like, hey, we don't know what to do with you. So we just kind of need you to go to the bullpen because you're not good enough to start in the rotation.

Now it's more like, hey, we actually think you can help us because we have Munoz down, because we have Brashdown, because we have crystal well down. We need you to pitch out of the bullpen for us. And so I would think, you know, in theory,

that Luis would be a bit more receptive to that. I don't know. I'm not the guy. Next question here from JR. How much correlation would you give to the pitching struggles with Cal's absence? They're saying all the right things regarding working with Garver and Parada, but you have to at least wonder if lack of familiarity with sequencing, it's playing at least a partial role with the current struggles.

I mean, if we're going off of the numbers, the numbers don't correlate with that. The mayor's pitching staff has been essentially the same number. numbers wise. I'm talking like raw, you know, ERA, FIP, all that stuff. They rank in a very similar position to how they did before Cal landed on the IL on May 14th. Actually, in fact, the mayor's rotation, even with some of the blowups that we've seen as of late, mayor's rotation is number one in FIP since Cal went on the IL. Now, the bullpen has taken a little bit of a dip, but I think you could also point to some of the injuries as a reason for that as well. So numbers wise doesn't necessarily correlate, but yeah, I would have to

imagine, especially with Parada, maybe not so much Garver because he's been here for a couple of years. And we know that some of the guys, especially George Kirby, actually prefer throwing to him. Or just, you know, in general, they really like throwing to him. But maybe with Parada,

it's a little bit awkward for some of these guys. Yeah. I don't know. You know, Cal obviously helps a lot in theory. You know, he scores more runs for you. So that's helpful as a pitcher.

He's a, you know, pretty good pitch framer. He's okay on the challenge system. Garber's better. But he's probably the best, like most well-rounded catcher. Parada's probably got a stronger arm. Cowell throws up plenty of runners, though. And, you know, he's much better challenger and framer than Parada. So plus, you know, there's a trust factor that goes into, you know, like, hey,

my catcher's calling this. I know that Cal is, you know, I trust him. I trust his judgment on this. I'm going to throw it with conviction. And we can't really say for sure whether or not that conviction exists with Garber and Parada. But like you said, you know, the numbers are the numbers. Like now, do I think the Mariners pitching has been the best in baseball since Cal went down? No, not even close.

But again, if Cal Raleigh was behind the plate yesterday, Does Emerson Hancock still give up six runs? Yeah, probably. I mean, like, I just, I don't know how to, I don't think you can statistically prove one way or another, whether or not Cal being behind the plate would prevent more runs or whatever. So, but I do think there is a confidence level and a conviction level that, you know, when Cal calls for a pitch, I trust him, I believe, and I'm going to throw this pitch exactly

where he wants, blah, blah, blah. So it's kind of a, you know, chicken or an egg type of thing. But I think it helps. But I don't think that losing Cal is like a huge reason why we've seen so many blow-up starts from the Mariners starters over the last, you know, two, three weeks. So it's kind of a tricky question to answer. But I do think Cal coming back certainly doesn't hurt the pitching staff whatsoever. We will answer more of your questions in just a moment. but first a reminder, this episode of the Lockdown Marrars podcast is brought to you by Rougiet and Van Duel.

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and access to a group chat with me and other listeners of this show doubt the link in the description or go to locked on mariners dot supercast.com to learn more all right let's get back into your questions here on Mailbag Monday. Max wants to know how much longer are the Mariners going to wait until they bring up Kate Anderson to fix this rotation, even just for vibes? There's a way I think we could see Kate Anderson added to the roster this week, believe it or not.

It's Munoz to the I.O. Castillo and Hancock to the bullpen, and Anderson becomes the fifth. Uh-huh. Yeah, that's not going to happen. It's not happening. Maybe Louise, but they're not moving Hancock to the bullfin, even though they probably should because I think honestly,

Kate Anderson's probably better than Hancock right now. To be fair, Kate Anderson's also, I think maybe probably better than Kirby and Gilbert right now. It's not a shot at Hancock. But no, you're not going to call them. I mean,

you really want to call them up and stick them in the bullpen? No, no, you want him to get his work. No, not yet. You want him to be stretched out and all that. By the way,

if you call them up now and you put them in the rotation, either you're going to a six-man, which we know the Mariners don't want to do, or you're going to shut him down in August, late August, and not have him for the playoffs or anything like that. Because he's going to hit his pitch. You can't short-script guys at the big league level. Not every week. Like you have to let Anderson, you know, go out there and throw his hundred pitches,

and he's got to pitch every five days. And if you do that, you can't do what you do in the minors and have a pitch once a week. like he's going to get to his threshold, his workload threshold much sooner at the big league level than he would if he stays in the minor league level. So again, it's like you calm up now, fine, but you're not stick him in the bullpen. That makes no sense. If you stick him in the rotation, understand you're not going to have him probably for most of August, all of September and probably not much of October either. And by the way, even if you wanted him in October, it's like, okay, well, we're going to shut him down for September so that he can pitch in October. where it's like, so you're going to shut them down for a month and then ask him to ramp it back up to, like, it's just a very sticky situation with Kate Anderson.

So to me, unless you're sticking them in the rotation, there's no reason to calm up. Like, he can't be your fix in the bullpen. And the Mariners don't want to make a move for the six starters that they have right now. You think they're going to throw a seventh into the mix at this moment? I don't. So it's just, it's tough for me to see. But short of, again, multiple starters going to the bullpen, which. The Mariners don't even want to put one starter in the bullpen.

I mean, if they put Luis in the bullpen, they could still run out the piggyback with Cade and someone, so you can manage Cades. Maybe you piggyback Cade and Hancock to manage both of their earnings a little bit. To manage their workload. Maybe. That's the only thing that makes sense. But, like, could be maybe because, like, look,

they're not going to send Hancock and Cassio to the bullpen. That's not going to happen. they're definitely not going to send Hancock to the bullpen after yeah but they're not they're not going to do it right now they're not going to do it anytime soon and they're definitely not going to send the Hancock to the bullpen after one blowup start like that's just that's not going to happen so um yeah the only thing that i could see like that's maybe realistic again is is if they send castillo to the bullpen because they need him right because munoz is now on the iL if that's actually what happens on top of brash and chriswell they need that right hand of presence in their bowl then maybe they would call up Anderson at that point and piggyback him with someone.

And my guess would be Hancock. Sure. But then yet again, you're down another arm in the bullpen and we seem now while that's worked and the kind of crunch that puts you in when you don't have a day off every week. And, you know, again, for the next couple weeks, the mayor said, but also keep in mind if they put, if they put Anderson on the 40 man right now, he starts accruing service time. And you're going to have to demote him back at some point because he's going to run out of winnings and you're going to waste an option.

So these are things to consider. Like we consider it to be like, oh, that shouldn't matter. It does. It does. Whether we like it or not, that stuff matters to major league teams. So it's not as cut and dry as you would think, like, is Anderson one of your 13 best pitchers right now? Yes.

But how much of his development, how much of his growth, are you willing to risk while you're still in first place, as bad as that road trip is? Yeah. You know, like it just, it's a pretty big, it's not a big risk, but like, you know, it does have some downside to it. It's not as cut and dry as some people wouldn't want you to believe. Yeah. I think the conversation really needs to turn to, is he one of your five best starters right now? I don't know the answer to that.

And I don't know if the mayors are willing to have that conversation. Yeah. I mean, that's what we can talk about whether or not he is or not, but are the Mariners even willing to broach that conversation? because okay, if he is, we have six right now. So we have to kick out two starters to make room for Anderson if we want to do a five-man rotation. All right, next question here from Casey, who wants to know who from the Mariners Farm

should we expect to see showcased in the MLB Futures All-Star game this year? They had three last year. I think it was Harry. Harry Ford again. It was Harry Ford. it was Las and one other I forget who know

was Arangelo it was Durangelo Durangelo yeah my hunch would be the two pitchers and Lazz my guess is is Sloan Anderson and Belnan but yeah

Lazz would make sense as well Lazz has got the big power kind of yeah but yeah my hunch would be they want both the pitchers in there but I don't know there's like a limit to the number of players you can have or whatnot.

I was looking at past rosters in preparation for this question just real quick, just like over the last like couple of years. I think the most a team has had is three. Yeah. Yeah. So again, some players, they don't really want to do it. But are they still doing? No, it's AL versus

N.O. Right? They don't do USA versus. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I would imagine the two pitchers and then probably last, maybe Felman. I would throw in as a potential like Dark Horse kind of, you know, maybe one of the pitchers doesn't want to do it or maybe one of the pitchers gets called up, I don't know.

I think Luke Stevenson could be in play here. Yeah. But I think it'll be the two pitchers. And then, yeah, Las would be my guess, but Felon's probably right there. All right, we'll wrap things up here on Mailbag Monday in just a moment. But first a reminder of this episode of the Locktime Airs podcast is brought to you by Nutraful and Odu.

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It's called Control the Zone. And on there, we talk Mariners, Seahawks, all that good stuff. For more information, go to patreon.com, forward slash control of zone. Link in the description of this episode. So now we are in the, what I'll call the Dan Wilson portion of the show. Because pick once in now, do you think this team can actually win a world? series with Dan Wilson as manager? The answer is yes, the Mariners can win a World Series with Dan Wilson. Are they doing it because of him? No. Are they doing it in spite of him? Yeah, probably. If it happens,

I can't imagine Dan, we, after the Mariners win a World Series, we're like, boy, Dan Wilson just outmanaged Dave Roberts or whoever, right? Like, I don't think that's a conversation we'll ever have, but no, you can win a World Series because you don't have to be a good manager to win a World Series. dozens of them out there that have World Series rings. I'll just second what you said that can you win a World Series? It's about Dan Wilson? Absolutely. Because you almost did it last year.

So again, this is the Dan Wilson portion of the show because Danny Ross wants to know if Dan gets fired, which he won't. But if, who are candidates to take the helm? Yeah, it'd probably be maniacta, I would assume. It takes over.

Yeah. If it happens in season, now, after the year after the season well first and foremost if it happened in season hopefully they're not handing the keys full time to anyone again yes your new full-time manager

j buner uh yeah but yeah like use the interim tag it's really helpful yeah this goes back to my initial criticism of the dan wilson hire in the first place

I did not like the idea of going from Scott's service to a first-time manager. No matter how good his relationships are with the players in the clubhouse and all that. And despite the fact that he was working with the organization, the organization was very familiar with them. A lot of the younger guys in the organization were familiar with him. Yeah, no, like, I understand why they landed on Dan. Yeah, I understand why they landed on Dan.

I understand their justification, blah, blah, blah, blah for hiring Dan. That said, I felt that the best move at that time for this specific group of players, especially with Julio being younger than he is now, Cal being younger than he is now, those guys kind of still like working into their way of being leaders in the clubhouse and all that, that they needed to bring in a veteran, been there, done that type of manager. And I think that's what they would need to do. That's the route that they would need to go down.

if they did fire Dan now. I think it would have to be someone like Bob Melvin or Bruce Bochi or Alex Cora. Yeah. I think that's that's the, I really wanted them to go after Terry Francona. Unfortunately, they had given Dan the keys before they even gave themselves a shot to explore that idea. I don't think Francona would have been interested,

but yeah, it's like, come on. The not giving Dan the interim tag as a first time ever manager was stupid. And again, it's why I continue to say that that was an ownership hire, more so than a baseball savvy hire. But again, we're talking after the season, which is the only thing we can't talk because if Dan resigned tomorrow, they would just promote Maniacta. It would just be somebody on the staff, and that doesn't really make a difference. So we're going from outside the org. I mean, they would definitely interview a groan. I'll tell you that much.

But I do think it would be prudent of them to have a manager with a track record, but one that also is similar to Dan in the sense that it's like, hey, like the players kind of run the clubhouse and like I'm there to facilitate. Like you don't want an iron-fisted guy to come in after Dan. gave me too much of a culture shock. And I personally don't know, you know, Bob Melvin in his managerial style. I know that he's, you know, a good manager. Alex Cora, I think, is pretty player friendly.

I mean, obviously he's got a track record too. So, yeah, I think those two guys stand out to me. Bochi can come out of retirement for the fourth time, whatever. I don't find. Obviously good manager. The other issue with managers like that is how much autonomy are they going to be given? yeah by the front office like is that actually a relationship that can work sure i mean bob melvin used to manage the a's like yeah yeah and then so i'm not just talking about melvin

here though i'm talking about brer i'm talking about cora yeah yeah i think you know any sort of veteran manager that has a lot of experience that probably wants to do things their way sure i i think you go big game jerry and jason bob melvin would be at the top of my list Alex Gora would be up there. Again, if you were willing to go with like the no experience route, I still think Rowley Bonnis would be a very good manager. I don't want to do the no experience route though. I mean, I'm just telling, yeah, well, we didn't want to do it last time.

The Mariners have hired their last two men, both Jerry hires that we want to consider Dan a Jerry hire. No managerial experience. So it might not be a prerequisite for them. So that's why they're going to interview to Grome. It's unfortunate, Stephen Vogue is still under contract because I think that was probably the guy that they really wanted long term. So yeah, I think Cora obviously would be a big name. I don't think Joe Madden would be a fit, but maybe he's obviously got a lot of success.

And then maybe just maybe, like I don't think they're going to go get Brandon Hyde, wherever he is right now. I think you're looking for an established like name brand manager. Somebody with some seasoning, some experience. he's one before. That would be my guess. Again, I think they're going to talk to a lot of guys who have never done it before because they don't seem to care that much about that experience level.

But, yeah, Bob Melvone would be my first call. And then, you know, I would at least explore the idea of, like, can I poach Kevin Cash? Like, Kevin Cash would be my number one, but he's under contract. What are you going to do? Vogue would probably be my number two. But again, he's under contract. So what are you going to do?

So, yeah, of the guys who are available, I think Melvin would be my one. I think Cora probably my number two choice. Again, that's without me knowing I can learn about them. You know, two weeks from now, I'll be like, oh, I don't really like that. But just off the top of my head without the deep rolladex of managerial candidates and all that.

Bob Melvin and Alex Cora would definitely be my top two. All right. Well, that is going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Locktime Marries podcast, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. And once again, if you never miss an episode, it's time to make it official. Join the Lockdown Every Day or Club and get ad-free audio access to our members-only Discord and more, all built for our most loyal fans. For Colby Pat, I'm Tadine Gonzalez.

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