Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Diving Into Luis Castillo's Struggles + Are the Mariners Ready to Call Up Another Top Propsect?

Episode Date: May 13, 2023

It's an off day for the Seattle Mariners, but Colby and Ty have some questions, mainly: what the heck is going on with Luis Castillo? The guys share their theories, recap the outstanding start from George Kirby on Tuesday, and discuss the inevitable move of Prelander Berroa to the bullpen.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11SorareHead to sorare.com/lockedon to draft your free team of player cards, set your lineup, and start competing today to win epic rewards.GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONMLB for $20 off your first purchase. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Luis Castillo has cooled off over his last four outings. Why is that? We'll discuss in a moment here on the Locked-on Mariners podcast. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Ahoi, sailors.

It is Thursday, May 11th, 2023. This is Tadang Azalus and Colby Patnaud for the Lockdown Mariners podcast. Brought to you by Game Time. Download the GameTime app, create an account, and use promo code Lockdown on MLB for $20 off your first purchase. Last minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed. Thank you so much for making us your first listen. Subscribe, like, and turn on alerts if you're watching on YouTube or subscribe and leave

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relative to what our standards are for Castillo. His last four outings have been a bit of a disappointment, especially after a really good start to 2023. We were talking about pitcher of the month, potentially early Cy Young favorite, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. That hasn't really been the case over the last four starts. Again, not saying that he's been awful by any means,

by any stretch of the imagination, but certainly he hasn't been the guy that we saw in his first four starts. Since April 22nd, he's rocking a 491 ERA with a 354 FIP and a one-for-one whip, 26 strikeouts, five walks issued over 22 innings pitch. Colby, is there something you've seen out of Castillo lately that we can, you know, pinpoint as the cause for this dip in numbers? No, yes. I have some theories, but nothing, nothing concrete.

One of the things I've noticed over the last few starts is that teams are being super aggressive on the fastball, particularly early in counts. They're not waiting around. They're not trying to get to two strikes against Castillo, which is probably a pretty good game plan. The other thing, though, in regards to the fastball, is we're seeing, it seems like there are a lot of foul balls off of Castillo the last three or four times out, which is really jacking up his pitch count, which is making it harder for him to go deeper into games. So yeah, he's just not really able to put guys away with the fastball right now and teams are being super aggressive on it. It was pretty interesting yesterday. He barely threw the two-seamer at all, which is kind of weird.

That's a pitch that he needs to throw more. And I think he only threw it four or five times. So it was kind of an iffy game plan, I would say. But who knows, maybe he just wasn't feeling it. But yeah, I think when you look at it, you know, just from a macro level, the fastball value is not there right now. Teams have made an adjustment to him. They are going to be really aggressive on that pitch.

And we know Castillo is going to throw his fastball a lot. So I think there's something that could change is maybe a few more first pitch changeups, a few more first pitch sliders, you know, which he had a pretty good changeup and slider against Texas. Command and control, not great, but in terms of just raw stuff, both those pitches were pretty good. So, yeah, I think right now offenses are just attacking the fastball early, and they're sitting fastball with two strikes. And they're going to force Castillo to throw a good quality off speed pitch to strike them out, which, you know, Castillo's still getting strikeouts. It's certainly not a K-issue, but his pitch count is getting kind of out of control, usually in, you know, one or two innings where he'll really struggle.

And then the rest of the game, he's fine. We saw it against Houston. We saw it against Texas. We saw it against St. Louis. So it's just one of those things where right now he's kind of trying to figure out how to combat this change that the league has made to him. The other thing that I seem to have noticed over the last few starts is that when he pitches from the stretch versus when he pitches from the windup, from the wind up, he's dominant. He looks like every bit the guy that we were talking about is a potential Cy Young award winner. but when you get him in the in the stretch his fastball command uh seems to go away uh with the with the sinker

from the stretch it really feels like he's missing arm side badly and unfortunately you're going to miss arm side against a right-handed hitter with a two seamer that's going to hurt somebody that's going to hit somebody or that's just going to be an easy walk an easy take uh but then on the other hand with his off speed stuff he seems to miss more glove side when he's out of the stretch So a guy who typically Castillo doesn't have pinpoint command. He's just got really good stuff. But from the stretch, it's probably 50 command. And then 55, 60 control, just the raw ability to throw strikes.

But from the stretch, I would say that's probably 40 command, maybe 45 control. And that's an issue. So yeah, I think, you know, every time somebody gets on base against Castillo, I just kind of hold my breath because it's been a recurring issue. here, I think, for the last, you know, handful of starts and a lot more guys are reaching base because they're being so aggressive on the fastball lately that he's having to throw more

pitches from the stretch. So I think that's, I think that's something to keep an eye on and something that he'll have to adjust as he goes forward. Yeah, let's dive into the data here of his first four starts compared to his last four starts. So contact rate

is up about by 3%. Whiff rate is down by 1.5% ish around that area. But really what's concerning here is the quality of contact. Barrel rate

is significantly higher than it was during the first four starts. 3.4% barrel rate during the first four starts. That's now up to 10.8% through his last four starts. The hard hit rate is about the same.

I think it's actually, is it down? Yeah, it's down by a couple of, of ticks, but guys are putting the barrel on the ball a lot more consistently against Cassio and the exit velocities are up by about three ticks, 91.4 miles per hour compared to, what was it, 88.9 miles per hour. Max X of velocity is up. And so that also is contributing to the issues a little bit here is that he's just giving up better contact overall. And then to your point about

him out of the stretch, which has been a conversation really ever since he's shown up in Seattle. I remember you distinctly talking about his struggles out of the stretch last year, particularly after that really bad start in Oakland that he had. And the numbers reflect that for sure here. So out of the stretch this year, and this is just overall numbers, this isn't last four starts, first four starts, any of that, it's just a whole season. with runners on base or actually let's start here

let's start with runners with nobody on opponents are slashing 213 255-3-3-3-3-3 when Castillo is working out of the wind-up compare that to when he's working out of the stretch opponents are hitting 254-299 413

he's also you know just missing less bats overall and that's ultimately the problem here funny enough He actually has a higher K per nine out of the stretch than he does out of the lineup.

But he's still not getting those swings and misses that he really needs consistently enough. And yeah, so harder contact, not enough whiffs. These are ultimately the issues that are plaguing Louise Castillo right now. And I'm not really sure how you fix it, you know, other than just you kind of write it out

because it's Luis Castillo at the end of the day. And I mean, even though that these numbers are not great, they're mostly not great because they're relative to what our standards for Castillo are. And also with the way that your offense is playing right now, the margin for error is so little. So if that maximizes the struggles at the, like ultimately here, like that's what really is, is magnifying all of this is that your offense is not producing enough runs and not producing enough chances or at least not. taking advantage of those chances that it does create. And so Cassio basically has to be perfect or close to it every night that he goes out there. And when he's not, it makes it seem more like, oh, he's falling off a cliff. He's struggling.

When he really isn't, guys like even the best pitchers in the world, they have, you know, a few starts like this where they do struggle. Now, that's not to let him off the hook here because there are, you know, as we just went over some numbers that do indicate some struggles, especially when he comes out of the stretch. But again, this isn't necessarily as simple as he's just bad, right? That's not what's happening here. That's not what we're trying to tell you here. It's also worth noting that Castillo has traditionally had one, you know,

mediocre month every year of his career. And, you know, I would say right now the good news is that he's healthy. And he's on track to make 30 starts for the first time in his career. So that's good. have Castillo healthy and out there than not at all even if he is going to struggle a little bit right now but you know again keep in mind his struggles are still a three four five fifth like yeah it's pretty good so yeah you just got to kind of avoid that one disaster inning um which he had in each of his last two starts uh and he'll be fine so overall there's no reason to really panic about

castillo but there are some changes that need to be made and you know one other thing i i don't know It just kind of popped into my head. So maybe this is just a total guess. Maybe he's tipping his pitches somehow. So that's other things that scouts will look at and they will adjust. So yeah, we'll wait and see how his next outing goes. It will be against Atlanta, I think, on Friday night. No.

That seems very far away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. They play Detroit. They play against Detroit. They play somebody in between Detroit. Okay. Boston. It'll be a Boston. It'll be a Boston. We're huge, we're huge fans of the Mariners, clearly. I'm sorry. I don't sit there and stare at the schedule on May 11th.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, it'll be a Fenway Pac and we'll see, uh, we'll see how he does. And I don't know, it's tough to judge any pitching performance in that. What's a nice way to say ugly, stupid ballpark. historic Ballpark there you go there you go yeah I can't wait for the for the annual Mariners

score seven runs of the first inning and then lose like 13 to 9 game that's gonna be fun or well they already had that in Chicago another historic yeah but it always happens at Fenway I feel like maybe that's just my head cannon

but it does feel like there's like always a game like that at Fenway I'm more looking forward to them in explicably being shut out at Fenway. Yeah, that's the day game. Yeah, always. So I lose four to nothing at Fenway Park with the wind blowing straight out.

Yeah. First game of the series is the blown lead, last game of the series in the day and the sunlight is the shutout. That's, those are the narratives that I've created in my head at the very least here. I don't know if anything of that is true. They're leaving Finway pack with a series win, so don't worry about it. All right. And some peppers from? I don't.

Don't belittle people from Boston Thai. I don't want to promote any hate speech. That's for sure. Okay. All right, folks. Before we get into our next segment, talking about George Kirby's big start on Tuesday night against the Texas Rangers,

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And tomorrow the Mariners and the Tigers are going to get underway for their first of two series this year in Detroit and the Motor City. And if you can't watch the game, you can listen to it on the Mariners hometown broadcast with Sirius XM via the SXM app. So yesterday we ranted and raved about the offense and the struggles of this team against the Rangers in yesterday's game. And unfortunately, we overlooked a great start from George Kirby the night before. We haven't had a chance to talk about that since. Nine strikeouts for George Kirby.

I talked about how the last time we did a postgame show after one of his starts, how there's been a lack of strikeouts from George Kirby. He came through with a lot of them against this Rangers lineup, a good Rangers lineup. But overall, what did you see out of Kirby as he goes deep into another game for the Mariners? He's eating a lot of innings right now for the M's. Yeah, you know, what's interesting is when you watch when you watch this start, you think it's, you know, one of Kirby's best. And it certainly was a very good start. Let's not kid ourselves here.

Texas is a really good offense. Wipe that smirk off your face. But when you look at the data, you know, only 11 whiffs on the day, just 15 called strikes. only a 26% called strike plus whiff rate for Kirby, which just feels weird because I believe nine strikeouts ties his career high. So typically when you see things like that, you see more whiffs and more called strikes. But it wasn't really the case here.

When you look at the data, his spin rates were actually down for the most part in the start. So he wasn't spinning it particularly well. I think when you look at the data right now, though, or when you look at the data from the last start, the curveball on the slider where the difference maker here. We've seen Kirby dominate with a two seamer before.

We've seen them have one or two of these pitches. This gave me both. Both were working really well. He threw 23 curveballs. 18 of them were strikes. That's insane. He also threw 15 sliders. 12 of those were strikes.

George Kirby throwing strikes. what? I know. Insane. Through 100 pitches, 75 of them were strikes. There's a thumbnail right there, by the way. Yeah, exactly. But they were all really quality strikes. There was nothing in the middle of the plate. He was on the, on the edges or just outside of another, let's say, questionable strike zone by a home plate umpire. Surprise. And Kirby took full advantage of, you know, every, every little, every little, you know, extra inch or two that the home plate umpire gave him. He was well aware of it and he took advantage 75 strikes on 100 pitches 101 pitches he's just pounding the zone right on the edges all night long and again you throw 23 curveballs and 18 of them are

strikes I mean wow like I like oh I'm sorry actually I did my math wrong it might be I think it was 20 of them what Colby did his math wrong yeah crazy wow I know man I know man I know. So, yeah, the two off sweet pitches. He had both of them working. He was pounding the strikes on with both of them. And he was getting ahead of a lot of hitters. There was just the one inning where Texas was able to run his pitch count up a little bit by, you know, stop me.

You've heard this before, fouling off a bunch of fastballs. But Kirby, you know, again, this is one of the outings where his command was better than his stuff. and you can see how far Kirby can go. We've talked a lot about how Kirby's stuff isn't like special. It's good. And his command plays up tonight or well, Tuesday night was the perfect example of that because that's what we saw. A plus command and control.

Good stuff, not great stuff. And this is what can happen even against really good lineups for George Kirby. When he has, you know, his 60, 65 grade command and probably 70 control on Tuesday night. he this can be the norm for george and you know after a kind of a rough start here you know to his season his numbers right now look right in line the only thing that's down a little bit is his k percentage um but yeah i mean obviously you have two of your last three outings were 15 shutout innings it's going to help your numbers a lot and and kirby looks like he's locked in and honestly he's probably your number one right now yeah and he has the most

innings of, well, I should clarify that. Cassio's had one more start. So right now he has the innings pitch lead at 46 and two thirds, but Kirby is just two innings behind him on seven starts. So I mean, that's kind of wild, right? I mean, like, I'm surprised and I'm not because when you are someone that stays so in the zone as, as Kirby does, right? He doesn't throw a lot of balls in general. He's always in the strike zone. You're naturally going to have quick innings. And so your pitch count is going to stay relatively low as long as you don't get into trouble. And, you know, that's going to allow you to get deep into games. But still, if you asked me who was going to lead the Mariners and innings pitch to the first month and a half of the season,

I wouldn't have guessed George Kirby, to be honest with you. I would have guessed Robbie Ray. I would have guessed Luis Castillo. So I'm a bit surprised on that front. But at the end of the day, it does make sense. I keep on saying that at the end of the day. I've told myself to stop saying that. Me and my filler phrases. I hate it. Sorry guys. Yeah. Anyway. Ty's feeling kind of ranting in this episode. Yeah, one other thing from Kirby. I felt like we saw a lot more. It's about damn time, by the way, I think. Whoa, language. We apologize for Thai's language. So yeah, one other thing I saw from Kirby on Tuesday. I thought we saw more 96, 97 than we have in the past. He did top out at 97 his he's average 95.2 his year average is 95 so from an average you know fastball velocity

standpoint nothing special but I hadn't I don't remember seeing much 96 97 from Kirby all year seemed like he was pretty much topped out at 95 and and I think we saw more than a handful of 97s in this game so that's something to watch but yeah it was it was a really a really good start for for Kirby and again command control command control stuff. That's the order you want to go in. Kirby, A plus command, A plus control. On this night, I would say probably his B, B plus stuff tonight or that night. And he shut down what is right now the best offense in baseball over seven scoreless innings. Which is a wild stat considering. I mean, like they have some good talent in there, but they're also missing Corey Seeger. Like the back end

of that lineup is on paper. Not, not inspiring. Right, but Jonah Heim's on a heater right now. Yeah, he's been incredible. Right. Ezekiel Duran's on a heater right now. Adolas Garcia is hitting like 3.30. We know that's not going to continue. Like they got some guys, they're like the opposite of the Mariners right now.

They got a bunch of dudes on heaters and they're taking advantage of it. Yeah. So, Prelander Barroa, which would imply there is a post-Lander Baroa out there. But Perlander Barroa has seemingly. made the official transition into the bullpen. So we're going to talk about what that means for the Mariners in just a moment, but Steve Rogers over here, just wait a second before we get into Perlander Borough, because we got to tell to find folks about game time.

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it's like a 340 start what is what these weird starts on the east coast what is with this weird like jovial algonquin algonquin roundtable you're going on right now like so many just like what what are you doing what do you mean tighten it up man tighten it up what do you mean tighten it up all these little tiny segways that go nowhere what's like what are you talking about whatever perlander borough uh that implies there's a post lander folks come on hold me. Nobody cares. Folks, help me out here. Nobody cares.

Shut up. Shut up. Whoa. Plus, you're dropping the D-bomb and all that stuff on your life. Like, yeah, I don't know, dude. You're on something right now. Because, like, you're, this, this, this episode's off the rails. Anyways, I didn't feel like it was off the rails.

It's, by your standards. Yeah. Let us know. Are we, are we off the rails today? No, no, not we. okay am i off the rails am i not buttoned up tie it's kind of like you know

he's kind of floating around a little bit right now so we'll see I'll see how the people in the comments but i don't know man it feels to me like you're you're like what's and before everyone gets on to me about telling colby to shut up

I mean how many times has he told me to shut up on the show the last count so nobody cares about that tie nobody so nobody Yeah, of course. I'm just saying it's been a weird day for you. But anyways. All right.

Well, I'm just, I'm just, you know, floating around in the breeze here, whatever you said. Prilander Baroa, just, you know what? I'm just going to shut up. You just, you tell me about him. Tell us about Perlander Borrella. He made his first appearance out of the bullpen last night down in Arkansas. What does that mean for the mirrors moving forward? Or is this, I mean, is Baroa going to be a part of this bullpen soon?

Is that what this seems to indicate? Of course it does. why else would they take him out of the rotation? I mean, he's been bad out of the rotation. I mean, at least in terms of walks. Like, he's walked a lot of dudes. Yeah, we already knew that. Like, there's nothing about.

Yeah, but even more than his career norms. Like, it's been rough. Yeah, but again, we already knew that. And the Mariners don't care. If the Mariners wanted Perlanderboro to be a starter, they would keep him in the bullpen, even if he was walking, you know, seven dudes per nine. They don't care.

They just want him to get innings. They want him to, you know, I mean, as they want him to get practice. How do you get practice? You pitch more innings. The more innings you pitch, the more reps you get. So that's what you keep him in the rotation. If that was your plan, it's not.

Clearly the Mariners plan is at some point over the next, I don't know, seven to 21 days somewhere in that range. Certainly by the end of the month, they want Pernanderboro to be up in the major leagues pitching out of the bullpen for Seattle. Like there's just no other reason to make this move. You're not benching a guy because he's struggling with walks, not in double A. Like, that's not a thing. So obviously the only reason you're doing this is because you plan on calling him up soon.

And you want to get him used to, you know, pitching every other day and, you know, only going, you know, 20 pitches and not having to pace yourself go 100 pitches. You want him to go back to back and learn what that's like. You want him to get into a rhythm. And we've seen the Mariners do this. They did it with Edwin Diaz. and they did it last year with Matt Brash. So we kind of know the formula here. This isn't going to be, you know,

oh, he needs two months to figure out how to pitch out of the bullpen. No, it's going to be, you know, two to four weeks at most. And he's going to be up in the big leagues throwing, you know, his filthy, you know, 90 mile an hour sliders that are 70 grade and his really heavy fastball, that's 97 to 100. How much of that will he throw for strikes? Anybody's guess, but it's wicked stuff. And as we saw from Matt Brash, more or less.

year than this year you don't have to throw a ton of strikes when you have that type of stuff and and broroa in terms of just raw stuff might be number two in the entire org behind map rash when you factor in control and command yeah so yeah bro is going to be up with the big leagues but by the end of this month i have very little doubt that he will make his major league debut so two questions really this is the best they're both dumb and sure and not only are they dumb but they're probably also connected maybe one this is the best pitching staff in baseball statistically do they need to do this why not actually three questions why would they do this and does this concern you at all about andres monios's recovery or do you think this is connected at all to that no okay well i mean because like they've they've called up one They're taking shots right now on their young guys. I mean, they have like veteran depth if you need to just get filtered guys through the bullpen. Instead, they're taking these big time shots with 110 with Perlinder Borough potentially here. They haven't taken a shot with Barrow yet.

But I think that's more about the guys who were supposed to be in the middle, the topas, the spire, those guys. They're now high leverage options. You're kind of moving Matt Brash down that totem pole because you can't trust them right now. and so they need to replenish the middle options because thankfully the guys who you thought were going to pitch the middle innings, they're now your best. They're now your high leverage arms, which again, not how you draw it up, but when you're throwing the ball as well as Topa and Spire are right now, fine, whatever. You'd rather have it that way. So I think this is just more about replenishing the middle. And if you can get yourself into a position where your middle guys would be eighth inning guys on most other teams like Barrow would be,

then I think you're in a really good spot. So I think for me, it's about, look, we have these guys right now who are pitching really well. We trust them in high leverage spots. Let's get one 10 up here. Let's eventually get Baroa up here. Let's see what these guys have. And if these guys, we think maybe they could become high leverage and you're just trying

to build out this really big bullpen. But because you have your high leverage arms in place now, you can take a shot on Borough. You could take a shot on 10. And if they don't work out, fine, whatever. It's a middle reliever. You're not counting on this guy to pitch huge. winnings for you. And if they both continue to, well, in 10's case, if 10 continues to get outs like he has so far and Baroa comes up and shows that he can be Matt Brash last year,

then you're in a great spot. And also, let's not pretend that the Mariners don't have spots in their bullpen that they can give right now. Chris Flexen is still on this team. Taylor Saucato is still on this team. Chris Flexen pitched with the game within two runs yesterday. You think that was their first choice? No, it's not. That was not ideal. No. It went fine.

It went fine, but not. It went fine. Sure. Not what I want to see. That's not what their plan is. Yeah. Yeah, obviously they want those guys. And also it tells me that they think Baroa was no longer in their rotation depth.

Barrow had clearly been, you know, jumped over by Miller, although that was probably the case already. Hancock, Wu, and even a struggling Taylor Dullard, they would all feel better about then you know handing the ball to borough and asking him to go five this was always going to happen with broa he never had the command to be a starter his stuff is plenty good and he actually has a decent change up that he'll throw on occasion but you just can't have 30 command and 35 control and be expected to go five six innings against big league teams with regularity so this was a move that was always going to happen uh i honestly i don't think this is too early i don't think this is too late. I think it's just about right. And we'll see. I don't know if they're going to try and get

them back to backs before they call them up or anything like that. I think they didn't do that with Diaz, but they did do it with Brash. We'll see. It could be, like I said, it could be a week. We could see him on the next homestand. We could see him at the end of the month. Who knows? But I do think Burrow is going to be up. And I do think that he's got a really good shot to stay with the team all year. And honestly, like, I think the move probably Chris Flexen, EGFA flexen, but one thing I would look out for watch out for Matt Brash being sent back to AAA Tacoma because he's got some things he has to work on he has not been good this year I know the the FIP and all that stuff say he's been really good this year he hasn't you guys watch him the command is even worse than it was last year the stuff's all

over the place he needs help and pitching him in the middle of a major league lineup you know with your team kind of you know trying to keep their heads above water it's not going to help the team and it's not going to help him and you know honestly you could send Brash down and maybe put him back in the bolt in the rotation. Remember, the Mariners wanted Brash to be a part of this, you know, rotation battle, at least in theory. They wanted him to be stretched out when he came to camp. And then he decided he was going to pitch for Team Canada.

And so they nix that idea. Just watch out for Brash. You might go down to AAA, start, again, get more reps by throwing more pitches in a situation where you don't care about the results. And maybe he can figure something out with his command and control, because all Brash has to do to be an electric bullpen option for you. 45 control and command. That's it.

You can still be well below average. He can't be 30 like he is right now. Can't have it. So don't be surprised at Matt Brash is the move for Borough in a couple weeks. But I think if I was betting, I'd probably still bet Chris Flexen is the move. Yeah, I think that should be the move. It just, but it, while it hurts me as a, Well, it hurts me as a Matt Brash stand.

I do agree that there are things that he needs to work on. And if I saw that they, they set him down to AAA, I would understand it. I would get it because there are some things that he needs to work through here. Would you trust, game on the line, would you rather have Trevor Gott on the mount or Matt Brash? Got right now. That's the end of the discussion.

Brash doesn't need to be in the bullpen if that's an accurate statement. Yeah, Brash, I mean, the upside is, insane, but sure. The floor is the possibility of him going a third of an inning walking three guys and giving up a double and you know giving up two three earned runs.

The floor is you guys know rock bottom and SpongeBob, you know, the cliff from bikini bottom to rock bottom. Here we go. That's the floor for Matt Prash. Okay, we got a wrap tie. You're officially off the deep end. Huh?

No. Captain Notical. for like two minutes away from Ty sing in the SpongeBob theme song Are you ready kids? See he's he's well well off his rocker today Apparently I'm on one today somehow I thought I was being normal but

This is not normal Not for you I'm sorry for being so animated And that's a good word for Yeah yeah okay all right I like being animated I'm no that's fine I'm a peacock You gotta let me fly You gotta let me fly man

And penguins. You say that to me all the time. So I'm giving it right back to you. But I'm actually a peacock. You could be a penguin. I like penguins. But you know, anyways,

welcome to, what is it, ornithology, locked on ornithology, the study of birds. Yeah. Penguins number one, peacocks one A.

Wadle, wada, wada, wada, wada, that's going to do it for our show. Thank you. So are you saying that I'm a penguin and I'm adorable?

Is that what you're saying on today's show? one of the ugly penguins. You're one of the ugly brown ones. Oh no, those are seals. Right. Right. You know, fine,

whatever, fine. Penguins are awesome. You can be a penguin. Goodbye. I love seal. Baby. That's going to do a first show.

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