Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Emerson Hancock Could Be THE KEY to the Seattle Mariners Landing Mason Miller

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Coming up, we'll tell you why Emerson Hancock could be the key to the Mariners landing, Mason Miller, at the trade deadline. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners, your daily Seattle Mariners podcast, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Ahoy, sailors, it is Friday, July 24th, 2026. My name is citing as Alice, and I'm joined as always by my host, Colby Patnode. Today's episode is brought to you by Kalshi for a limited time. Download the Kalshi app and use the promo code Locked on. That's LOC, KD ON to get $10 when he trade 10.

Kalshi, trade on anything. And on today's show, the Mariners are reportedly willing to move Emerson Hancock in the right trade. So what could the right trade be? We'll go over the report and the fits for Hancock a little later on. But we'll start with the big news that happened on the mayor's day off yesterday. Assistant hitting coach Bobby Maggianis has been fired. And this does not come as frankly much of a surprise here, is we're 103 games in.

The Mariners have been wildly disappointing this year. They are 51 and 52. They're still very much in the race, but the offense especially, which by Janus has obviously had a hand in, has been dreadful more often than not to watch all season long. They are dead last to Major League Baseball and batting average. They are dead last to Major League Baseball and slugging percentage.

And they've especially been terrible against the left-handed pitching. This is how sports work. Right. You underperform guys get fired, unfortunately. It's just a little funny, and I don't mean in the aha sense, because this is a very serious thing. Someone's been fired. It's a little funny looking just from an optic standpoint that the Mariners fired

the assistant hitting coach and not the hitting coach. Now, I put out my initial reaction. shortly after this news broke on all of our social media platforms yesterday. And if you saw that video, you know how I feel. And I feel pretty much the same way today as I did yesterday about it. And this is just from the outside looking in with very limited information that I have. That this just feels like a scapegoat, sacrificial lamb type deal here by firing Maggianas. However, I want to think about this a little bit more critically.

And so my best attempt at a more practical reason for firing Magayanas is twofold. One, from my understanding of the duo between him and Kevin Siteser with obviously Edgar kind of overseeing everything, but of the duo between Maggianas and Siteser, Magyianis is more of the, you know, hands-on mechanical guy with the players. and so maybe there were some issues there with some of the physical and mechanical changes that he wanted to implement with some of the players that raise some red flags there for the front office

that's why they wanted to make a move. Maybe he was overloading Mariners hitters with too much information, which was a big reason for them moving on from Brown a couple of years ago. That was a big reason that was cited that guys were just completely overloaded, loaded with information.

There were too many cooks in the kitchen, essentially, and they wanted to simplify things for their hitters. So maybe that's part of it. Second, again, from my understanding, Magianis is a pretty popular guy in that Mariners Clubhouse, very well liked, very well respected in the Mariners Clubhouse. So potentially, this could be a warning shot from the Mariners front office to that clubhouse that hey your underperformance has now cost one of your guys his job clean it up or else more stuff like this is going to happen but whatever the reason is here and maybe both of those

things are true maybe neither of those things are true but whatever the reason is here colby it is fascinating that consequences have now been handed out or what we've seen over the last few months that someone has now paid the price for the Mariners disappointing season so far. Yeah. Like you said, you know, obviously kind of a scapegoat situation here. And it's all common in sports that, you know, you kind of work your way up the ladder is, you know, you start with an assistant and then you maybe go to a managerial and then you maybe go to the front office.

and oftentimes it's it's the players who are ultimately the most responsible for the success of the team and they're always the ones who you know where it last at least publicly now obviously you know the mariners have to deal with you mentally getting a guy that they really liked fired and and so you know it's they also have the most pressure and all that so understandable i'm not picking on the players but we see this across all sports too. You know, the front office drafts a bum quarterback in the top five or whatever. And all of a sudden, like, oh, well, this guy stinks and we don't have this and we don't have this. And it's time to fire the offensive coordinator because clearly he's the reason this guy stinks.

And then you bring in a new guy and it still stinks. And you go, oh, well, you know, maybe this guy stinks. The players are always the last one. And that's true in just about any sport, really across any level. And so it does, you know, stink for Bobby. But this is, you know, you know, unfortunately, part of the job description. Part of your job description as a hitting coach is to be fired when things don't go well. It's a bit of an unfair, you know, game, but it is just the reality of, you know, any kind of assistant-level job in sports is you're almost certainly going to be fired at some point. You're going to be scapegoated because, you know, we can't fire Cow Raleigh.

We can't fire Josh Naylor. And so, you know, it is unfortunate that. that, you know, Bobby's the one who drew the short straw. It sucks for Kevin Siteser, too, who, you know, Magianos is his right-hand man. Like, they're really good friends, and they've been working coworkers and, you know, assistant, two-hitting coach, however you want to phrase it. They've been working together for decade plus at this point.

And so, yeah, that stings. It sucks. It's not all that surprising. I would be mildly surprised if we saw another move. this year. This could be a precursor to this winter. Maybe like, let's shake up the hitting staff entirely. You know, let's maybe move on from Edgar.

And does Edgar really want to do this for that long? I don't know. Like, you remember, he took the job as a favor to Dan Wilson. And now he's had this job, and it's required him to be pretty hands-on for the last three years. And I don't think that's something Edgar wants long-term. So how long is he going to be here? And then if you, you know, if Edgar decides to leave or you decide that he needs to leave, then Saitzer's probably gone to.

And so, you know, maybe this is just the first step to that. But I do think ultimately what this is, is this is just the shot across the bow. And it's, hey, you guys, you got to figure this out. You got to pick this up or many more changes are coming. And maybe it's not, you know, over the next two months. But this ball club could look very different a year. from now and it kind of hinges on how well you guys perform. So this is kind of your warning shot.

There are no, like, you know, safe positions here, which I don't know of that actually works on players, especially in baseball where you have guaranteed contracts and all that. So, yeah, how effective will this be? I would guess minimally. But sometimes you do just have to, you know, try something because obviously nothing else is working at the moment. So it's really a rough day for Bobby. and you know Kevin and and the players who really like him but this is the reality your poor performance has cost this guy's job and it might cost other people their jobs we just we need you guys to perform better and you know maybe if this was kind of a lack of focus thing or like whatever maybe that you know pops people into into the zone or anything but I don't if it's not then it just kind of feels like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic a little bit where it's like how much of a different

is really going to make at the end of the day. My guess is very little, but again, there is the possibility, like you mentioned that, hey, this is another Brant Brown situation. They just have too many cooks and they needed to get somebody out of there and get a new voice in there. Maybe that is the case. And maybe there are some small changes that can happen as a result, but I highly doubt it. All right.

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Mariners. And also thank you for making Lockdown the number one sports podcast network. So obviously we've talked a lot about the Mariners. trading from their starting rotation at the deadline, either, you know, as sellers or just to reallocate resources on their roster. And there have been, you know, actual reports about the increased willingness from the Mariners front office to deal from their rotation over the last couple of weeks. But that's been more so from the perspective of, well, if there's a team that lines up on,

you know, a Luis Castillo trade, like, yeah, they do that. we haven't really heard much about their willingness to trade anyone else from their rotation until yesterday. There were two separate reports that come from two separate reporters or analysts or, you know, people in the game yesterday about two different Mariners starting pitchers. And the Baron is willingness to, you know, talk about them in trade talks here. Now there's one that to me is a bit more easy to buy in on than the other. And so I'll explain. So the first one that we'll talk about is the one that I'm a bit more skeptical on. And it's not necessarily because I'm questioning the credibility of the person who is reporting this.

It's just no one else has reported this. And the way that he framed it makes me feel like other people would have reported this by now. And that would be Jim DeKette, former GM of the Mets and the Orioles, who's now an analyst for MLB Network Radio. He's on MLB Network. He does a lot of work around the game. He's a connected guy. Right.

And so I'm not doubting that he's heard this. I'm not doubting any of that. But on Jason Puckett's show, the Daily Puck drop yesterday, Duquette said that George Kirby's name has been brought up in trade talks and that the talk around Kirby has been, quote, the talk of Major League Baseball. Okay. Well, if it's the talk around Major League Baseball or the talk of Major League Baseball,

why hasn't Jeff Passam reported it? Why hasn't Mark Feinstant? Why didn't Ken Rosenthal and Will Salman and the article that we're about to talk about where they wrote a very lengthy piece about the Mariners' willingness to trade from their rotation? why wasn't there a single mention of George Kirby in that article? This is the talk of Major League Baseball and this is going around and it's like, you know, the way that that is framed makes it sound like this is a pretty well-known thing like George Kirby's coming up in trade talks. Like, why isn't that also being reported?

Right. So that's where my skepticism on that report comes from. But obviously, you know, and real quick, like maybe, you know, DeKette was just first. on this. I don't know. But again, it's just a little weird that like, you know, an article a couple hours later that, that, you know, comes out doesn't even have a single mention of it. again, if it's like the talk of major league baseball. But whatever. But obviously this is a, you know, a thing that we have talked about a lot on the show, Colby, the idea of trading George Kirby at the trade deadline this year. And yeah, he would be the talk of major league

baseball. I think if he is actually being dangled out there by the Mariners, because I think you can make a very strong argument here that even with Tarek Scouble out there because Scouble you only get him for a couple months whereas with Kirby the acquiring team would get rebites at the apple with him and then there's a strong argument to be made here that

if George Kirby is actually made available by the Maris he would be the most valuable player made available at this entire deadline so it's fascinating that we finally heard from someone in the industry say yeah George Kirby he's being talked about. Sure. I mean, maybe it's possible that like other teams want to talk to the Mariners about George Kirby and that's kind of what Duquette means. But yeah, it is odd that, you know, because it's not

like Duquette said like, oh, I'm hearing. I've heard that, you know, he's saying it's the talk of major league baseball, which means everybody's talking about it. And yet he's the only one that's brought it up so far or mentioned it so far. It's not a good time. a year to, you know, keep secret secrets, you know. And so everybody was talking about it. We'd hear about it from more than just Jim Ducat, all due respect to him. But yeah, just, you know, we talked about whether or not trading Kirby makes sense. You know, I'm in favor of it in the right deal. I've been pretty staunchly on the side that it like, the mayors would much rather trade Kirby than Logan Gilbert, despite the fact that the club control obviously favors Kirby and this

regard. So yeah, I mean, again, what do you make of it? Like, eh, not much until a second person says it. Really not much. Because again, I just, it's hard for me to square the circle of like, hey, everybody in Major League Baseball is talking about this. but Jeff Passon's not talking about it. Buster only is not talking about it. Rosenthal, like the big hitters in the industry aren't talking about it. Like, then that tells me that. And if any of those guys caught wind of like George Kirby is being seriously talked about in trade talks right now, they would report it. I mean, even if it was like a fleeting rumor, they would report it.

It is that season. Like so. Was George Kirby even in. Passon's top 100 trade target or whatever whatever that list was top 50 whatever it was yeah no but I don't think Cancoc was either so like Castile was I don't think Cancoc was and maybe that changes now but no I don't think George was because they asked him on 710 a couple days ago hey if he was like if they were willing to shop George Kirby where would he be and he said top five probably top three on that list ahead of I think there's a real mark I think there's a real argument

to make that he would be the number one. I mean, I'd probably be him or Miller just because of the club control compared to somebody like Scoobel. So, yeah, if it was a legitimate George Kirby could be traded talk. I think we'd be hearing it from other sources. Like you said, to be fair to him, like there's always the first time we hear anything, you know, element to this. Like, hey, just because nobody else is talking about it doesn't mean it hasn't been talked about.

I just, I'm the first one to say. you know like so and so had it first so maybe in the next day or two we do get some kind of like rumor that's like hey yeah the mariners would also entertain george kirby trades uh on on top of this so maybe that is maybe he's just a little bit early on on that but uh it does until i kind of hear from you know the pass and the rosenthal's the you know uh the some other names in the industry i'm just going to assume this is kind of a one-off and it's just kind of like a yeah I'm not going to spend too much time or energy focusing on it. To me, the second bit of news that we got in the day news is a little bit more reactable.

I don't know if that's a word. Just because, again, it's sourced. It's easier to buy it on considering who it's coming from. Right. It's coming from two guys working on one article together. It's also gotten like major league sourcing. and stuff like that. So, yeah, the Hancock stuff much more believable than the Kirby stuff for now.

But yeah, I mean, if the Mariners were going to be willing to talk about George Kirby trades, Duquette's right. It would be the, it would certainly be the talk of baseball right now because he would be, again, top three at least in terms of like most attractive trade candidates on the market right now. Yeah. So, again, Ken Rosenthal and Will Salmon, they combine here to write. write an article on the athletic about a couple hours after Duquette said the thing about Kirby on Jason Puckett's show.

And they say in this article, quote, if the Seattle Mariners trade a starting pitcher, the logical assumption is that it would be veteran right-hander Luis Castillo. Maybe not. And their search for a right-handed hitter, the Mariners are telling teams they are also open to moving righty Emerson Hancock, according to people briefed on their discussions. They also mentioned, with the pending lockout threatening to eat into the 2027 season, and teams likely are reluctant to take on the additional high price year on Luis Castillo's contract. They also say the Mariners want to rebalance their roster to add more offense.

And in a trade market with few sellers willing to trade for prospects, Major Leaguer for Major Leaguer exchanges appear likely. Hancock might end up part of one. So coming up here in just a moment, we're going to talk about who can make the most sense for Emerson Hancock and what a deal around Hancock could look like. But first, a reminder, this episode of the lockdown airs podcast, is brought to you once again by Calci. Make baseball season more this year.

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the show, we have a Patreon. It's called Control the Zone. Not only where we talk Mariners, Seahawks, all that good stuff. For more information, go to Patreon.com, forward slash control the zone. in the description of this episode. So, okay, the Mariners are willing to talk about Emerson, Hancock, and trade. That is fascinating because Hancock, after this season, still has four years left of club control. And Hancock, obviously, was one of the worst starting pitchers in all of Major League Baseball when he was up with the club the last couple of years. This year has completely turned things around, completely, you know, changed his profile. And he's been, you know, at times pitching at, like, an all-star level.

and I think he had a legitimate argument to, you know, make his way to Philadelphia this summer. So what could the Mariners get for Emerson Hancock? That is the question that we're going to attempt to answer on this show. And we've talked a little bit about this, you know, in theory. We mentioned the idea of trading him for someone that is like the offensive equivalent of Emerson Hancock, a former top prospect who had struggled prior to this year and has committed. completely changed things. This has completely turned his career around.

Curtis Mead is a guy that we've talked about from the Washington Nationals. Nationals could use starting pitching. So that makes sense. Another guy would be Casey Schmidt of the Giants, who we just recently saw on the last homestand who has, you know, had some production in the past. But this year has finally tapped into his power.

He's hit, what, 20 bombs down or 19 bombs, whatever. It's funny. he doesn't he doesn't walk at all so he's not a very marinary profile but also beggars can't be choosers the mariners need to get better offensively so Casey Schmidt is another idea

or Colby could Emerson Hancock be the key to the Mason Miller situation yeah I think back to the early Louise Castillo report right the

the silly one that we kind of laughed at from Bob Nyingale where it's like the Mariners are looking for a right-handed bat and a back-end bullpen arm. And obviously, ha-ha, they're not going to, they wouldn't never get that for Luis Castillo. But that second part, we know that they're looking for back-in relief help and a right-handed bat. Jerry DePoto has said as much. And I think kind of the assumption when people first hear like, oh, the Mariners, and it says in the article, like they want right-handed offensive help. They might be willing to trade Emerson Hancock for it. And so the assumption is, is that like the key piece would be.

the right-handed bat that the Mariners get. But what if the Mariners could, as part of a package, use Hancock to get both of those pieces, like Bob Nightingale said they wanted to do with Luis Castillo, the right-handed bat, and the back and bullpen arm. What if the bullpen arm is the carrying force of the trade? And the right-handed bat is kind of the secondary piece that's attached to the trade in Mason Miller and Thai France.

Right. Instead of going for Casey Schmidt and I don't know, maybe Ryan Walker, I don't know, whatever it is, right? Maybe you flip that and it's like, no, the prize here is the reliever. And then the right-handed bat is kind of the secondary piece that we want. You know, San Diego, it's kind of funny. Like, it seems like every couple hours we get a new report, like San Diego's not going to trade Mason Miller. San Diego's buying, but they still might trade Mason Miller.

We have Passing and, you know, Rosenthal. And like it's just like, yeah, no, they're probably trading Mason Miller and yeah, yeah, yeah. So it is that season, right, where there's going to be a ton of misinformation thrown out there. There's going to be a ton of, you know, actual information thrown out there. And you kind of have to decipher what's real and what's not. But if we assume Mason Miller is available, which seems to be the trending, you know, kind of the trending upward trajectory of where the Padres are going to go here. If he is available, it does sound also like the Padres would want. We've heard two top 100 prospects, but we've also heard Young Control will start.

pitching. The Mariners have all of that. And then some, and then even today, we've seen a couple of different reports that say the Mariners really like Mason Miller, like they are in on Mason Miller. And there was a report just now that said Passon says that the Yankees and the Mariners are two teams that would be very willing to trade some of their pitching depth to acquire a Mason Miller type. So to me, that points right to Hancock. And again, the nice thing about the Padres is that, A, you have a good relationship with them. You work a ton of trades with the Padres. Preller, Depoto, Hollander, they know each other very well. Preller is one of the more aggressive GEMs.

So, like, he's not going to be afraid to trade Mason Miller a year after he, you know, gave up the number three prospect or whatever it is in baseball for, for him. He's not going to be like, well, I gave that up. I can't trade him after a year. Preller doesn't care, right? And then you look at who has the farm system, who has the extra rotation arm, who has maybe another piece that could actually help the Padres this year, like maybe a Luke Rayley, who the Padres desperately needs some left-handed thump in that lineup,

or thump of any kind, really, in that lineup. Like, you start adding all these pieces together, and Hancock plus for Miller plus, makes a good deal of sense. And we talked about Kirby for Miller straight up. I think that was extinguisher. I feel like it was sewn. It was sewn. It was who?

Sown. Okay. I feel like there was. Okay. Maybe that's the same person. I don't know. No, it's not. It's not. Different people. Whoever, whoever was, right? They came up with that.

I think Exinguisher maybe came up with need for Hancock, which is another one that I like. Just fine. So yeah, look at you guys. The fan fiction Fridays turned up a couple of gems. Very nice, very nice. Good year. Good year for that. We were planning on doing it today. And then, you know, this happened. Of course, on the day that we had episode pre-recorded, the marriage just did a bunch. Well, they did one thing and then a bunch of reports came out about that. Sure. Just the season, you never know.

Like, Brawino, Ty, we're recording an episode tomorrow and Sunday because the Mariners are requiring Ty France tomorrow and they're requiring Luke Weaver on something. We don't know. But yeah, I do think, you know, there's a lot of focus on like, okay, what's the right-handed bat, the mariner? It's like, well, what if they, what if it's the reliever that is actually the carrying piece of a Hancocked right? And then they also get, instead of, you know, the right-handed bat being the carrying piece. the relievers the carrying piece, just kind of swap the roles a little bit here. The Mariners seem,

at least we're hearing more today, that the Mariners have interest in Mason Miller. We kind of have an understanding of what the Padres want and just kind of piecing together all the information I can, which is kind of what you have to do this time of year. It sounds like the Padres want to sell Mason Miller, but they want to get pieces that can help them this year and also maybe a prospect or two.

The Mariners have that. So there are going to be very few teams that line up as well as the Mariners do to trade for Mason Miller and Hancock is very much you know he has to be a part of that conversation you know if you're willing to trade Emerson Hancock but you're not willing to trade him for Mason Miller what are you even doing like what's the point well and with Hancock too again you know as I mentioned earlier he was one of the worst starting pitchers in all of major league baseball when he had been up with the club prior to this year and then he's completely turned it around I think if you're the Mariners you have to heavily consider looking at Hancock as a bone

looking at him as like, wow, we didn't expect this to happen. And now there's all of this value with Emerson Hancock that wasn't there, you know, five months ago. Let's take advantage of that. Let's use him to go get another demon in our bullpen and Mason Miller. Maybe the best reliever in the entirety of baseball. Pair him with Andre's moon. Because it's not just about adding Mason Miller to the bullpen.

It's about what it does for the rest of your bullpen and how you can deploy those guys, right knocking everyone down you know a spot on the list right we're now like just the whole formula for the entire game well and then if you go and then if you do make your way into october and i mean like if you get mason miller you have them for next year and the year after that right like but what it could do for you in october when you also have potentially met brash back when you're not going to use all of the guys in your rotation so you're probably moving Bryce miller maybe or a Brian Wu or somebody's going to the rotation or the bullpen. You're going to be using one or two of those guys out of the bullpen, Ryan Sloan, Kate Anderson. And so you add those guys on top of Mason Miller, Andreas Munoz, Gabe Spire, Jose Ferrer. And really, Mike, the big thing that the Mariners need to weigh here is,

what's the most feasible thing we can accomplish at the deadline this year? turning this offense around, turning it into a top 15, top 20 offense all of a sudden, or putting ourselves in a better position to win games one to nothing, two to one, three to two.

Right. Right. It's one of those things like, would you rather bank on Josh Naylor hitting for more power, Cal Raleigh figuring anything out, Julio going on his second half, his traditional second half, stretch. Would you rather bank on that and go get maybe an auxiliary piece there? Or would you rather

bank on Matt Brash recovering from his second, you know, lat injury of the year? Would you bank on, you know, Cooper Chris Well and Carlos Vargas, whose timeline keeps on getting pushed further and further back? You want to bank on Cole Wilcox or whoever and maybe go get an auxiliary piece in the bullpen. That's not going to do much. Like which one would you rather bank on? I'll bank on the guys who have done it before being the players that they've been for pretty much their entire careers. Like I'll bank on Naylor and Hululah and Cal and it's like, yeah, go do both if you can. But this is just not that kind of trademarked and the best pieces available to you are probably going to be in the bullpen.

Like that's where you're going to make the biggest impact. So go focus your efforts there. Again, you could still go get a tie france. You could still go get Elaine Thomas. And if, you know, the heavens open up and for some reason you can get Casey Schmidt. without, you know, giving up Hancock and just like, then fine, do that too. Like nothing's stopping you from doing that too. But yeah, it's just, it's a really interesting thing with Hancock because I think, you know,

yes, he only really has half a half a year, a track record that says he's like a legit number three, number four type of starter. So that does lower the value some, but he's a young four plus years of club control guy who is producing right now. he's going to have appeal to buyers and fringe playoff teams and even some of the bad teams like if you're the A's you should have interest in Emerson Hancock even though your season's over you know and so he's going to have appeal to 25 other teams not just the teams that are buying uh so yeah it is a very interesting thing to look at here and I think if you're the mariners though I've already seen some other fan bases tis the season throughout their their trade proposals for for Hancock and a lot of them are very prospect heavy and it's like I that's not no the mariners aren't going to trade emerson Hancock for a prospect like they are going to want a major league some kind of track record in the major leagues like uh you know a really popular one for

cubs fans i've seen a lot is is kevin alcantra alcontera however uh you pronounce it uh and it's like the dude's got like 26 at bats in the big leagues and he's been terrible and you want him to come into the middle of a playoff race and see if he can hit a T-Mobile Park like just as a 22. This wouldn't be a let's trade Paul Seawald for a couple of young guys that we like and maybe like a Josh Rojas

type. Like this wouldn't be that. This is, we're trading four and a half years of, you know, a mid-rotation starter, which that's what Hancock has been this year. French all-star caliber level starter.

Yep. we're trading him for a dude, right? That's who you're ultimately, and that's, you know, that's what Divish said when we talked to him the other day. Like, if you're trading a guy from this rotation,

you're trading him for a dude. And if that is Mason Miller, like, yeah, that's like Mason Miller is the type of dude that you would trade an Emerson, Hancock for, especially because you can absorb

the loss of Hancock, even with all of his club control, and even with how, you know, he's not, he's still pre-ar, like you can still absorb that because you have Ryan Sloan and you have Kate Anderson. Right.

And I think the Mariners envision a long-term future with Brian Wu and Bryce Miller. You're in a really unique position that you should take advantage of because you have at your disposal, really eight mid-rotation starters. Like I think saying Anderson can come up and expecting him to be a three or four. right away is not a leap. You know, Ryan Sloan being a three or four right away is not a leap. Maybe Castillo's not a mid-rotation guy anymore. Maybe he's more of a five, whatever. But you have those guys, and you're not going to have those guys forever because eventually

George Kirby is going to get traded or he's going to leave him for agency. Logan Gilbert, no idea how long he's going to be around. But you have it now. And oh, by the way, a nice little bonus of doing the Mason-Miller trade, if you can make it happen. Obviously, you know, the potters are like, we need Ryan Sloan. okay let's go get Luke Weaver instead like there there's obviously a cutoff point there but um you know it's just one of if you do trade for Mason Miller you get three

playoff or four playoff runs with him right uh I think he's super two uh let me let me clarify that either way uh if push comes to shove you can always trade Mason Miller again and even if he only has one year left of club control you're going to get a nice little haul back for him. So you get him for four. Yeah, you get him for four playoff runs. So you can take him for the next two playoff runs. And if you decide that it's kind of time for a mini reset or, oh, we have other holes we need.

And oh, Mason Miller's making, you know, $12 million in arbitration. We don't really want to pay a reliever that much, blah, blah, blah. You can trade him and get a very good package back, assuming health and all that. So you're not only improving your odds this year, but you're really not taking that big of a step back, you know, in the future. Um, because, you know, again, the mayors do have some, yeah, um, like you have, you could trade Feldman Selson, right? Why? Because I have Colt Emerson.

I have Cole Young. I don't really have a spot. I could trade Las Montes. Why? I have Domcan zone. It's a corner outfield bat. Like I'm not going to need last for the next couple. Like they have redundant prospects.

They could trade Luke Stevenson because they have Cal Raleigh, who's not going anywhere anytime. They have top prospects who are also still redundant in their own. system because of the young talent they have at those spots right now. So like everything is lined up very well to be super aggressive at the deadline, including with a guy like Emerson Hancock. You know, we'll see what happens. Mason Miller would be my preference. We spent the most time talking about him.

But a Curtis Meade trade makes sense. Casey Schmidt trade makes some sense. You know, there are other trades. I just don't see Hancock being traded for a prospect headliner or a young major leaguer who hasn't performed at the big league level, like an Alcon. mantra, that's just not going to be what the Mariners are looking for. Now, if it's like, hey, you're getting this elite reliever. And then the second piece is this young major leaguer who's kind of, you know,

he's been okay at the big league level, hasn't really broken out yet. Then like, yeah, okay. Like, but you have to, the main piece you get for Hancock has to be a stunt, like a safe bet to impact the roster. And look, sometimes you make those moves and the guy doesn't work for whatever reason. okay that sucks but like you can't just like let's feel pretty confident that mason miller would work yes yes but like you know what i mean like sometimes you trade it for a guy like curtis me and we're like okay no that makes sense i understand that and then it just sucks you know and he's

oh well that's a bummer but because hancock's a bonus that's okay like it's a very minimal risk if you're going to trade a hancock a las of felman uh this this deadline so if you get the right deal and you can do it you should yeah again you're in a position where you can fairly absorb that, you know, and fairly absorb the risk involved with trading Hancock, especially if it's for the offensive equivalent of Emerson Hancock. All right. Well, that is going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Lockdown Mariner's podcast. Part of the Lockdown Podcasts network, your team every day for Colby Patnode. I'm Tadeng Azales. Be sure. Give us a follow on Twitter at L.O. underscore Mariners.

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