Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Emerson Hancock Gets the Call... But the Mariners Potentially Lose Bryan Woo

Episode Date: August 8, 2023

Emerson Hancock, the former first-round draft pick of the Mariners back in 2020, is set to make his major league debut Wednesday night against the Padres. Unfortunately, this exciting news comes at a cost, as stud rookie pitcher Bryan Woo has been placed on the 15-day injured list with right forearm inflammation. Is that just a fancy way of saying he's been shut down for the year or something to actually be concerned about long-term? Colby and Ty discuss, then go over what to expect from Hancock, what they'd like to see from Logan Gilbert, and answer a couple email questions.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONMLB for $20 off your first purchase.FanDuelMake Every Moment More. Don’t miss the chance to get your No Sweat First Bet up to TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS in Bonus Bets when you go FanDuel.com/LOCKEDON.SleeperDownload the Sleeper app and use promo code LOCKEDON and you'll get up to a $100 match on your first deposit.  Terms and conditions apply. See Sleeper’s Terms of Use for details. Currently operational in over 30 states. Check out Sleeper today! DaveDownload Dave today at Dave.com/mlb. You could get up to $500 in 5 minutes or less! No credit check. No late fees. FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Emerson Hancock is reportedly getting the call up to the bigs. Unfortunately, it's because Brian Wu is headed to the Ender list. We'll talk to Hancock's biggest hater. That's the man to my left about all of it coming up here on the Locked on Marrars podcast. Colby, hit it. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day.

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You can now get a free seven-day trial to check out the show. The link as well as our social accounts is in the description of this episode. Mariners begin a two-game set with the Padres tonight. You can catch all the action on the Mariners hometown broadcast with Sirius XM via the SXM app. We'll get you set for that one later on in the show. But for now, our lead story, right-handed pitcher and former first-round draft pick, Emerson Hancock, has reportedly been called up by the Mariners. Robert Murray of Fancited, the first to report it. Ryan Divish has confirmed the promotion for Hancock and says the marries will officially make the move tomorrow, which would seem to indicate Hancock will make his debut tomorrow as well.

Unfortunately, this move has been made because Brian Wu is headed to the injured list with, right forearm inflammation. Yeah, not great. Marin is calling up reliever writer Ryan to take Wu's spot on the roster for the day. And then they'll obviously call up Hancock tomorrow as we expect. So Colby, this is, this was exciting news at first because the first piece of news we got was Hancock's getting called up. And I immediately thought this just meant, all right, six-man rotation or Woo's getting bumped to

the bullpen, whatever. Instead, it means that. Wu is heading to the aisle. So this is a bit of a bummer. What are your thoughts? Yeah, I guess the good thing about being realistic about Hancock's potential impact is that I was never jacked for the, for the call up. So I didn't have as far to fall when I got the, the Brian Wu news. And, yeah, obviously it's concerning because Wu already has a Tommy John on his track record.

and, you know, forearm strains, forearm tightness, that's usually like the precursor to some serious issues. It was the original designation that put Robbie Ray on the IL at the beginning of the year. And I believe it also was Marco, who is working through a forearm strain of some kind. But either way, it's not good. You hope it's a designation thing. It's just a phantom IL. And like we got to come up with a reason for that.

And you could just send him down if you don't want him to pitch for a couple weeks. But you would also burn an option on him. So does that really matter? Probably not. But I tend to lean towards this isn't a ghost thing. Maybe it's just some tenderness, just some soreness. But I don't think that they would just put them on the IL with this designation if it wasn't legitimate. I think they would just send him down.

So I don't know, maybe the plan all along was just, you know, not pitch him. So they were going to send him down for Hancock, but they wanted the extra bullpen arm today. So I guess you just put him on the I. I don't know. We'll see. Scott is going to talk to the media here in, you know, two and a half, three hours. So we'll, we won't know during the show. But my guess is that this is more than a ghost IL thing.

It's more than a procedural move. but hopefully not because you know Wu even if his innings were going to be limited down the stretch like we all thought he still was or he still is a guy who can definitely help you out of the bullpen

or you know in the in the few handful starts he gets so we'll have to wait to see but yeah not great not great so with Wu you know again we'll see like Scott Service is going to talk to the media etc but if this is

it for him because, you know, we're running out of time here on the season. So maybe he's able to make his way back. But if not, his final line looks like this, 55 innings pitch, 9.82 Ks per 9, 278, walks per 9, 475 ERA 407 FIP. You know, we saw some signs of fatigue in his last few starts, especially as he got later into the starts. But I didn't necessarily see anything that would, indicate injury to me.

Did you notice anything with him? No. Especially since his last start, you know, the velocity actually jumped up. And he had control and command of everything. So it really didn't seem to affect him and not even in his last, you know, I guess, I guess I don't know. He wasn't as good in the final inning as he was in the first. But that's just, you know, typically how ordered.

works anyway. So no, nothing really stood out. Like fastball velo was up. Command looked roughly the same as it had been all year. So no, I didn't see anything at the end of his last start that would lead me to believe that there was, this was, you know, lingering or this was in the background. So maybe it's just a side session thing. Maybe you threw a bullpen and something didn't feel right the other day. But no, I didn't see anything in his last start that would make me think that, you know, this is something he's been pushing through and trying to work.

true. Yeah, because when I first heard about the injury, I reflected back on the start against the Angels a few nights ago, and I didn't, I couldn't remember anything that looked off with him. He looked more than fine. Yeah, he made a mistake to Mastakis, I think it was. I can't remember, but that was really it. He was pretty sharp for the most part in his last start. So, and he was able to finish that outing, you know, on a regular schedule. So, yeah, kind of, confused about what's going on there. But if this is actually a real injury, right, they're not fandom IELing him.

If he is able to make his way back, if this isn't as bad of news as maybe it seems on the surface, what would you foresee his role being once he gets healthy? Bullpen strictly or six-man rotation, piggyback? What do you think? Well, he's going to miss two starts, at least. And that's if he's only on the IL for the 15 days. Miss two starts minimum.

That could be enough to buy him an extra couple weeks in the rotation. Again, this is assuming that it's, you know, a phantom I.L thing. Then I think he probably goes back into the rotation. Maybe they do six-man rotation one more time through or something like that. And that's how they kind of try and manage it. And it also get Bryce Miller a little bit of a break. So I think if this is all just kind of procedural, then I think he probably goes back in the rotation. it's a six-man rotation spot would be my guess for at least one time through, maybe two.

And then it's just kind of, you kind of see where he's at, how he feels, how much energy he has left. And then you decide, do we ship him to the bullpen or do we ship him to or do we ship Hancock to the bullpen? I think Hancock's probably up for the rest of the year, you know, whether he's a starter or they've just moved him to the pen. And so, yeah, I think, you know, Lou, if this is all, you know, fake, then I think he probably slides back in the rotation in a couple weeks. And then they kind of just play it each time through the, through the rotation. And maybe it's, hey, we're skipping him this time because we have that off day. Or maybe it's, hey, you know, we're going to piggyback him. Or it's just, you know, hey, Hancock's going to get the start and Wu's going to go to the pen for the week or something like that.

So, yeah, that's probably best case scenario. Well, the benefactor of this unfortunate news is Amerson Hancock. We're going to be talking about him in just a moment. But first, a reminder of this episode of Lockdown Marys podcast is brought to you by BetterHelp. Getting to know yourself can be a lifelong process, especially because we're always growing and changing. Therapy is all about deepening your self-awareness and understanding because sometimes we don't know what we want or why we react the way we do until we talk through things. BetterHelp connects you with a licensed therapist who can take you on that journey of self-discipline. discovery from wherever you are.

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but starting game two presumably is going to be emerson hancock the mariner's first round draft pick back in 2020 which is a pretty special draft for you and i because that's when we started the control of his own podcast was right around the time of that draft um so emerson hancock kind of in a way has a special place in uh in my heart but definitely not a special place in your heart because you are his number one biggest hater so uh tell us why you're you're not as excited about Hancock as you would be or as or as you were with Wu and Miller and Gilbert and Kirby, et cetera. First of all,

it's Herbie Hancock. Second of all, I don't hate Emerson Hancock. I just see him for what he is, which is a back of the rotation guy where people are, whereas other people are being led to believe by other certain people, that Hancock is still the guy. they drafted sixth overall and it's just it's not it's a different profile it's it's just

he's just a back-in guy that's all he is uh he's you know fairly athletic but he's not super athletic he uh you know doesn't really have much of a breaking ball the slider is is flat and it's it's mediocre at best like when when hancock has his best slider it's 50 grade is there a ice cream truck no that was i don't know something truck outside that just honked. But Hancock's best slider, like his ceiling on the slider is 50 grade league average. And that's only on occasion. The fastball, it's, you know, the four seamer is pretty flat.

It doesn't have much ride to it. It just, it's very hitable pitch. And so much so that he's moved to the two seamer a lot. And the two seamers better. But you're still not getting a ton of value out of the fastball. We're not talking about the kind of value that Bryce Miller or Brian Mugget out of their fastball. And, you know, his best pitch is a pitch that honestly he throws less than the other two.

And that's his change-up. It's a legit change-up. It's a 60-grade change-up. But he doesn't throw it a ton. And part of that is because he's trying to work on the slider and the fastball because the change-ups already there. But he's not a super athlete. He's not, you know, 55 command, 55 control. He's not breaking out a 70s slider on any occasions.

And the fastball, the two-semer is that best. to 55 pitch at best. Like he's just kind of a guy. He throw strikes. That's fine. Helpful. He's not going to miss a ton of bats. Now with his breaking stuff.

And the only real shot he has at a true out pitch is the changeup, which fine. I mean, there are some, you know, good pitchers with changeups as their out pitch, but how many of them are right handed and how many of them are around in 2023? Well, and how many right-handers best pitch is their change-up?

Well, and also, if you want to try and get the most out of your change up, you need to get value out of your fastball. Yeah. So yeah, that's the other thing too, right? So we'll see. He's worked on some things as of late.

He got off to a really rocky start in the Texas League. And overall, his numbers, 432 ERA this year, 408 FIPP, 983Ks per 9, 349 walks per 9, over 98 innings pitch. But since June 1st, and he's won a couple of Texas League, pitcher of the week awards during that time. 890 case per nine, 187 walks per nine, 297 ERA, 340 FIPP

over 57 and two-thirds innings pitch. Last five starts, kind of a mixed bag. He had a blow up on July 5th where he gave up nine runs. But then his next three starts, just one run allowed over 20 innings. His last start back on Wednesday, three earn runs over five innings pitch, seven strikeouts.

And again, he pitched last Wednesday. So it'll be a week tomorrow since the last time he took the mound. So I would assume he's going to start tomorrow's game. So what do you think about that? I mean, we're going to talk about it more tomorrow because we're doing the show before the game tomorrow. But just what do you think about this matchup for him as his first start in Major League Baseball against like Juan Soto and Manning Bichato, etc.? Not an easy one. I'm honestly, I'm a little more concerned about how he's going to handle.

the righties than I am the lefties. Obviously, Juan Soto is Juan Soto. So you're worried about that regardless. But I think the change up gives him a really good shot against most of the lefties in that lineup. So I'm more worried about like how does he get out Machado and Kim when he doesn't have a pitch that's really going to break away from them all that much. It's,

you can throw the change up to Ritey still. It's good. It's a good pitch. Again, I want to reiterate that. And so maybe the fact that it's his major league debut. maybe he'll just lean on his best pitch more than we saw in the minors. But yeah, it's not an ideal matchup. It certainly isn't.

You'd much rather, you don't get the soft landing like Bryce Miller got, right, against Oakland. But it is what it is. So, you know, it's certainly not an easy matchup. You know, it's not so much the lefty bats that scare me in that lineup. There's really just the one. And even though he's like arguably top three hitter on the planet, Might be the best peer there in all baseball. Might be, yeah.

He's having a down year with like a 150 WRC plus right now. So, yeah. Yeah, so Soto is obviously, you know, a guy that you just have to respect and be afraid of regardless of who's pitching. But aside from that, I think he'll handle the left. He's fine. I just, I don't know what he's going to do. How is he going to get right? He's out with consistency.

So you never know in a debut. You know, sometimes guys come out and they throw harder. Sometimes they have like CRISPR stuff. Sometimes it's just flat because. because the adrenaline is just kind of overtaking their emotions and they can't locate or they can't, you know, spin the ball the way they need to. And so we'll see how Hancock handles it. Again, not an ideal situation. Hopefully they win tonight so that, you know, there's like not this pressure of coming off of a loss and trying to maintain momentum on Hancock.

But, you know, we'll see how he does. It's not an easy matchup. Not the worst matchup. It's not Texas in June, right? Like it's not Brian Wu, but it's certainly not Bryce Miller. So we'll see how he handles it. Check the velocity early. He's usually 93 to 95.

So you want him to be in that range tomorrow. We'll see if he's 97, 98, then there's a lot of adrenaline there. And hopefully he can control that. If he's 90, 91, it's probably adrenaline, but he's trying so hard to throw strikes that he's not trusting his stuff. Yeah, we'll see how it looks tomorrow, but it's not the best matchup for him. It's not the best matchup for any pitcher, though. Any preference on who you would like him to work with in the battery, either Murphy or Raleigh?

No, I think Darvish is starting tomorrow, so it'll be really. Yeah, right. Yeah, it will be. So, yeah, we'll talk more about that game tomorrow, and we'll talk more about our expectations for Hancock and that one. But also, you know, it's not like you could have pushed him to the next series because you're going up against the best team in baseball in the Baltimore Orioles. So yeah. On Felix weekend.

On Felix. Sold out crowds. Yeah. Right, right. Yeah. All right. So let's talk about tonight's game. That's Logan Gilbert versus Nick Martinez. We're going to go over that one in just a moment. But first, a reminder of this episode of the Lockdown Marys podcast is brought to you by eBay Motors.

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Padres Mariners start tonight. Two games set between those two teams. It's the Vetter Cup, of course, which we all care about. All of us. It's such a great rivalry. Catch all the action on the Mariners hometown broadcast with Sirius XMV, the SXM app. So Logan Gilbert versus Nick Martinez, Logan Gilbert has been pretty good, his last three starts, but definitely not at his best. What would you like to see out of him tonight?

At his best. That's how I'd like to see Logan Gilbert today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But some realistic expectations. No hitter. Right. Perfect game. Perfect game.

Yeah, sure. Yeah, let's get Herman out of here. Yeah. No, I feel like Logan's at his best this year when he does employ the kitchen sink strategy. We've seen him the last few times out, really rely on fastball slider. And I do feel like his best outings this year have come when he's been roughly 25% split between the four seam, the split, the curve and the slider. So, you know, maybe that's the matchup. I don't know.

It's tough to say San Diego is a talented team. There's no question about it. They're not a very good team, but there are some legitimate, you know, spots in this lineup where if you make a mistake, they will hurt you badly. So I think first and foremost, the thing you want to see from Logan is you want to see them, you know, you want to see him hit that top line of the strikes and with the fastball because that kind of sets up everything else. If he can throw the curve ball early in the game or the slider for strikes, if you can get called strikes on that pitch early, usually a good sign. So I think it's all about working ahead of these guys, just doing what you do best. And I think Gilbert right now is at his best when it is a true, you know, any pitch at any situation type of thing. But obviously, you know, Gilbert is still going to lean heavily on his fastball.

That is his best pitch. And the slider is taking steps forward this year, obviously. The split has been a nice little addition for him as well. But I think Gilbert's at his best when he is, you know, obviously throwing strikes. But he has to velocity at the top of the zone, breaking stuff at the bottom of the zone. and just, you know, have a good mix. Don't be too predictable. That split is going to have to put in some work against one soda tonight.

Yeah. Yeah. So he's going to have to have his best stuff against this lineup. Look, you know, this Padreys lineup has been fairly disappointing relative to expectations. Obviously, they're three games under 500 after an NLCS appearance after spending big on Zander Bogartz. Bogartz hasn't been the guy that they were hoping to get there. It's a 105 WRC plus this year. Manning Machado has only really gotten it going lately like the last few weeks.

He was around like an 80 WRC plus for I think like the first couple months of the season. He's now out of 111. So he's been a lot better lately. But so Machado has not been the guy that we've seen as of late, obviously. Jake Cronomworth is another guy that's really disappointed for them. He's got a 93 WRC plus this year. The biggest change in the Padres lineup really has been that they're getting value out of the catching spot finally offensively. Luis Camposano's been really good

and Gary Sanchez has also been really good. I think Camposano is rocking like a 138 WRC plus and Sanchez is rocking like a 117 something like that. So they're getting value out of there but guys like Trent Grisham Jake Cronomworth, etc. have been real big disappointments

but the guys that you really have to worry about here Hassan Kim and of course Juan Soto because Juan Soto can take over a game with his bat. Sure. I mean soaking Tatis. So can Tatis? Yeah, I didn't even mention Fernando Tatis Jr. He's having a really nice year as well.

One through four, it's pretty, can be pretty lethal. And obviously, you know, the one through four is Kim who's having his best year. It's Tatis, who we know how good he is at Soto. It's Machado who's starting hit a little bit more. And even in the five hole, it's Zander, who, despite having a bad year, still a really good player. And then, you know, there's Gary Sanchez, has got power at the bottom of this, of the lineup. Campesano has power at the bottom of the lineup.

So again, it's a pretty good lineup in theory. It's just been horribly disappointing. So the Mariners pitching has to be good. Like there's just no way around it. You know, you avoid Blake Snell, which is nice. But obviously, you know, Martinez and Darvish, they're not slouches either. The Padres are a very talented team. They're not a good team, but they're talented.

And you just can't roll out of bed and make mistakes. beat these guys. So, you know, you have the big three game set coming up. It's pretty important that you at least split this series and, you know, with Hancock on tomorrow and who knows what you're going to get there, tonight's game carries a little more weight than maybe you would, you would like. So, yeah, it's a bit of a, it's a bit of a, I don't like the term, but it's a bit of a trap series. I don't think Seattle's looking ahead too bad. I just think that this is a series where people look at and they say, well, you're better than San Diego, you should beat them. Sure.

I mean, that's a fair statement, but it's not like San Diego is, you know, the Oakland A's here. Like there are legitimate all-stars throughout this lineup. Superstars. Yeah. And some pretty good pitching, starting pitching. Yeah, Martinez is having a nice year. Darvish is, you know, obviously not having as great of a year, but he's capable, more than capable of.

He's going to throw 50. you know 68 mile an hour curveballs tomorrow and the mariners will whiff on 15 of them sure that's just what that's just what happens so right uh so yeah so definitely not a gimmie here and you want to be able to go into that orio series still feeling pretty good about yourself you don't want to let this thing uh snowball so uh i think tonight very important to get a win so you don't have a ton of pressure on hancock to uh make sure you don't get swept in two games but at the end of day it's also only two games thankfully so If it does go awry, you're out of it pretty quick. And you get another off day on Thursday. So before we head out of here, I want to answer a couple of quick questions that we got via email, because I actually missed those yesterday when compiling the questions for Mailbag Monday. So I also want to give a shout out real quick to Jack, who sent us a very kind email, congratulating us on 8,000 subscribers and all that.

So shout out to Jack. He says that he's going to be watching today. So let's go here to Stephen, who says, first off, I want to say, I absolutely love this podcast. I listen to it every day. I listen on Google podcast. So it won't let me leave a review or rate it. But believe me, I would give it the highest rating. It is the best Marriss podcast I've listened to.

Thank you. Thank you so much. You're very kind. My question is with Felix Weeking coming up, who do you think should be the next member of the mayor's hall fame? Follow up, do you think the marriage should retire 51 for Randy? Thank you for the great podcast. we've talked about the Randy thing

probably not because the relationship there is not great did not end well and we haven't really seen it start to be repaired in any sort of way either so yeah I would say no though I would I would like for them to do it

Randy's obviously a legend I think he should have his number retired along with each row but yeah you're going to retire each year's first yeah yeah So who should be the next member of the Marinus Hall of fan Colway? Who should it be or who will it be? Both.

Who should it be is Rick Riz. Let's get this done already. You know, Rick had some health issues recently. Let's not wait around on this any longer. So yeah, Riz should be next. In terms of players, I have been an advocate for Mike Cameron for years. he, you know, did the impossible. He replaced Ken Griffey Jr.

and did it very, very well. He was, you know, a huge, you know, central figure on, on the best four-year run in franchise history. He was an all-star. Like, Mike Cameron should absolutely be in the team Hall of Fame, but he's not because he didn't play five years. In Seattle, he only played four years, which is an argument that I will continue to say is stupid and moronic.

And when we get to the time, when it's time to talk about Nelson Cruz, again, he should be in the Mariners Hall of Fame. But he probably won't be because he only played four years for Seattle, not five. That is the self-imposed rule. It's stupid. Honor your best players. Nelson Cruz is without a question.

One of the best, it's probably the second or third-best right-handed hitter in your franchise's history. Nelson Cruz in four years was significantly more valuable than like 95% of any player that's played for the Seattle Marins. Right. And like, again, that's not to take a shot at like Dan Wilson. But like, come on. Who had a better Mariners career? Nelson Cruz.

Who had a longer mariner's career? Dan Wilson. Like we're not debating this. Yeah, I don't think longevity should be the only thing that really matters. And I think four full seasons is enough time to leave a pretty significant impact on your organization. So let's let's fix that. Mike Cameron should be the next guy in.

Nelson Cruz should get in. Who will be the next guy? It'll be secret. Cool. There goes my, there goes my light. It finally happened on the show. Yeah. Finally happened on the show. Yeah.

I would say Riz should be next and then it should be Cameron. And then Nelson, when he officially retires about three years after that. But who will be next? It'll be, it'll be Seeger. Yeah. Yeah, I would think that it's going to be Kyle Seeger, but it should be Rick Riz. It should be Mike Cameron. It should be Nelson Cruz.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Nelson Cruz. That's a dumb, dumb rule. So put Nellie in in the hall. Once he finally officially retires because he hasn't done that, but it seems like maybe the league is retiring him, which is sad. We got a couple of questions yesterday asking about Nelson Cruz for the Mariners, right? No, the answer is no.

And I think that the answer lies and where's Nelson Cruz playing right now? Nowhere. I mean, you can't take that bats away from the great Dom-Can zone. Sure, sure. That poor Dom-Can zone has already become the target. of your hire. It's just because there are people who are already standing him. And all I'm asking for is can you wait until he's at least a 100 WRC plus hitter?

Because right now he's 41% below league average. The Mariners didn't add at the deadline. Yes. Stop saying you're stupid if you think that. Yes. Just call it like it. We got it. We talked about this on the Patreon.

You think the Mariners added at the deadline. They didn't at best. At best you can convince me they made a lateral move. And even that's a huge stretch. All right, all right. You don't have to defend Jerry DePoto every time he makes a little. Next question. Luke wants to know, hey guys.

You guys and other baseball media often talk about windows for teams like the Mariners with certain young guys coming up at the right times and the team managing club control to hold open a window of concurrent talent. The Mariners window seems to be open or opening right now. How long do you guys think the M's can keep this current window open? What scenarios could keep it open? slash close it. So in terms of just like windows in general,

it's kind of a thing where you, you know it when you see it, right? There's a lot of factors that come into play. And like you mentioned, like it's club control. It's age of your core, right? So for the Mariners, like their core is really, really young, right? Guys like Julio and Jared and George and et cetera, et cetera.

Like the oldest guy part of their core is Luis Cassio is 31 years old, right? So you're doing a pretty good job on that. You have a very clear path to contending for years and years and years with just based on that alone. But yeah, Colby, what do you, what do you think about the Mariners window? How long do you think it's open for? I don't know. Is Jerry going to continue to hoard prospects to not add to this roster? Then it might close pretty darn quick.

But, oh, my God. You thought I couldn't go there today. You're really becoming the anti-Jerry guy. you really thought I wouldn't go there today, didn't you? No, I did. I just. So here's the deal, right? You have, I'm talking.

You have Julio. You have Julio in place. You have Cal in place. You have Georgia in place. You have Logan in place for at least the next four years. You have those guys locked in. Same with Castillo for at least the next four years, unless you trade them, probably for prospects. So you have those guys locked in for the next four years.

You have Brash. You have Munoz. at least for the next four years. I think as long as you have that core, and again, that's not counting the guys that they've added to the core, like potentially, Jared Kelnick,

probably not Dom Kahn's own. So when you add all that up, I think the window is at least the next, you know, three or four years. But obviously the window gets, gets bigger or it gets, or,

you know, it gets left open, I guess. It stays open. The more, you know, impact major leaguers you add, to your core. And so maybe Kelnick is that guy.

Maybe it is Canzone, you know, obviously not this year. Maybe next year. Maybe it is Emerson Hancock. Maybe it is Brian Wu. Maybe it's Price Miller, you know. So as long as you keep adding to that, your window can theoretically stay open forever. Right. You know, you kind of look at what the raise window is.

And that's what the plan is, right? Right. You want it to, well, what is the plan, what they tell us the plan is and what they actually do, it doesn't always line up. but in theory, the window could stay open forever because like, like look at what the race have done for the last decade, right? Have they had a core that they've carried them through for this last decade? No, they don't.

But they draft, they develop, they make smart trades, they're savvy and free agency. And so in theory, your window could stay open forever. Where is this current Mariners core? Like where is this window before they have to start making significant like additions or subtractions to it? Probably another three years after this year. But yeah, in theory, windows can stay open forever.

So. But what about the crest, Colby? In 2026. What about the crest? Oh, I mean, I'm sure we'll talk about that this winter when Jerry doesn't give out a $50 million contract to anybody. Right. We got, we got to save some in reserve, man, in case, you know, in case Las Montes comes up and his Yorda on Alvarez and we have to pay him $250 million because that's likely. You really, you're really becoming this guy, huh? no now I'm just doing it because it makes you annoyed mostly yeah yeah it's working

you're right I know I know it's great I do this to annoy Thai but also to annoy you in the comments because I know you got some of you guys out there like oh this is boring stop talking about it no never so to answer your question yeah I would think um you know probably three to five years anywhere from that range but again as like like your superstar player right now. The face of your franchise is 22 years old. Yeah. Like, yeah, he might not even hit his prime, what we consider to be his prime for like another six years, right? When he turns 28. Like, so, um, yeah, as long as you have that guy, like,

you have, like, the window is at least cracked open. Uh, but yeah, with, with George and Cal and potentially Jared, et cetera, like, you're good. You got a lot of young pieces. The, the main faces of your roster are very young and can still be very good for a very long time. So as long as you have that, it's pretty much sky's the limit, right? And then hopefully you can continue to replenish those pieces as the years go by and guys start to get older and end up leaving for free agency. Because look, you're not going to be able to keep all these guys. Some of them are going to leave in free agency.

Cal Raleigh might be that guy. Logan Gilbert might be that guy. I don't think they're going to let George Kirby leave Seattle. Yeah, the good news is, though, and you wouldn't know it by their recent actions, but the Mariners are actually pretty good at bringing in new talent and developing them. I know they like to think that their guys are irreplaceable for some reason, but they've actually proven already that they can bring in new guys and like start, because now we're thinking about Cole Young as potentially being part of your core going forward,

and he was just drafted last year. Like, that's how quick they're moving. That's how good the development is, which is probably why they should be more aggressive on the trade. So then clearly, so then clearly Dom can zone. And Josh Rojas, they'll be able to figure it up. It's only developed by the, by the Diamondbacks, not the Marcos. Right. Because as we know, development stops at the major league level. That's right. Development is linear, right? As we all know.

Always. Yep. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Some people are definitely, some people are not going to get that. You're going to be, you're going to be, well, I mean, you've just painted yourself as the anti-Jerry guy now. Congrats. That's how you guys want to. You're going to get rope. You're going to get roped. to some company that you are not going to like. That's fine. You know, that's a pretty boring and not unsurprisingly

dumb interpretation of what my commentary is. But sure. I mean, I know there are people out there who love to misinterpret my comments. So I as the host of the Lockdown Mariners podcast think that you guys are interpreting his commentary just fine. Personally. And I as the host of Lockdown Mariners think that Jerry wist out at the deadline.

And I'm still bitter about it. Man up, Jerry. We know you're listening. Maybe not anymore after last Tuesday's podcast. Somebody's running scared. Scared. All right. The show got really unhinged very quickly.

You got to the 24 minute mark. We could have cut it clean. And then you're like, no, let's answer a few of these questions. And you added 13 minutes to it. And you let me get off the rails. That's what the people want. That's what the people want. And there goes my light again.

All right. It's happened twice. This has never happened on lockdown. I've always worried about this happening and it's never happened until today. I don't know. I'm going to make the show. Let's wrap it up. It's going to make the show.

We're leaving it on. Why not? I don't want to edit. Thank you so much for joining us here on the lockdown Marries podcast for Colby Pat Not. I'm citing Gonzalez. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at L0 underscore Meritors. You can follow me at Dan Gonzalez and C-A-N-Z-L-Z and Colby at C-Bat 11.

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