Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Ends Justify the Means
Episode Date: May 6, 2021John Means no-hit the Seattle Mariners today. It was a brilliant pitching performance. D.C. talks about the game, and also serves up some no-hitter trivia, both regarding the Mariners and Baltimore Or...ioles; there are some strange coincidences regarding the last three no-hitters thrown in Seattle, including this afternoon's. Connor Newcomb from Locked On Orioles talks about John Means in the third segment, and also about his mastery on the mound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Today on Locked-on Mariners, I rush to air without putting a script together because I'm excited to talk about a no-hitter, even though the Mariners were on the wrong side of it.
Welcome to Locked-on Mariners, part of the Locked-on podcast network, your team every day.
Here's your host, D.C. Lundberg.
Thank you, J.M. That is Joey Martin for those scoring at home, and I am D.C. Lundberg, even though Joey Martin just told you that.
Welcome to this no-hit edition of Locked-on Mariners, ladies and gentlemen, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, or T-L-L-O-P-N, or T-L-O-P-N, or T-Lop, and I'm in a great mood today.
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You'd think I'd be disappointed that the manners were just no hit, but actually, I'm not,
and I'm even kind of surprising myself. You know, what can you do?
John Means was just so good. No one was getting to him yesterday. We'll kind of get into the
numbers here in just a bit. Actually, we'll get into them right now. He did face the minimum.
The only blip on his radar was a wild pitch strikeout.
on which telegram Sam Hagridi reached first base,
and then he was caught stealing second base.
I believe that's his first career caught.
It was his first career caught stealing.
That was in the third inning,
and J.P. Crawford ended that particular inning on a flyout.
So Means winds up facing the minimum 27 batters.
And among those 27 batters, he pitched first pitch strikes to 26 of them.
Yeah, he was that good.
I mean, even though the mayor's offense has been, honestly, borderline pathetic lately, nobody was touching John Means.
He was that good.
Even a good offensive team wasn't going to touch him.
Means struck out 12, obviously did not walk anybody, didn't really give the mirrors a chance to take a walk.
He was mixing his pitch as well as most pitching.
You'll see that most pitchers, when they have a good performance, do mix their pitch as well.
He was just untouchable.
There's just no other way to put it.
He was as good as he could have been.
On the flip side, Usa Kikachi turned in another very, very good effort.
He went seven innings and gave up five hits, three runs.
All of them were earned, only walked one, and he struck out seven.
He gave up a home run to Pat Valaika in the seventh inning on a cut fastball that was in off the plate,
and Valika was able to put it into the,
Just past the foul pole, you got to give Valika credit on that one.
He hit a good pitch.
And again, sometimes all you can do is tip your hat and try to go get him next time.
But the Mariners are not going to face the Orioles again this season,
so they'll have to wait until next year.
Aaron Fletcher was brought in in the eighth inning,
making his first appearance of this season,
and he picked up right where he left off last season, which is not good news.
Three hit, three runs, all of them earned, one home run,
which was basically a no doubter,
he's got a lot of moving pieces to his delivery.
And he's one of the few relievers modern day that I can think of that has a full windup
that comes out of the bullpen with a full windup.
Usually with the relief pitchers, they only work out of the stretch
because oftentimes they're used to coming in with runners on base.
But that's kind of beside the point.
The point that I'm going to make is that Aaron Fletcher has a lot of moving pieces to his delivery,
whether it's out of the windup or out of the stretch.
and when a pitcher has that many moving pieces to his delivery,
it's very easy for a pitcher like that to go off kilter.
One little mechanical flaw can just set the whole thing,
can just ruin the whole thing,
leading to an inconsistent release point and control problems.
And I think that's what Fletcher's problem has been,
and that's not something that should be refined in a three-to-nothing game.
It should be refined at the minor league level.
Tacoma season starts on Thursday.
He hasn't pitched, aside from spring training, since the regular season last year.
He hasn't had time to work on his mechanics.
And from what I can see, that's been his biggest problem.
But again, AAA Tacoma season starts on Thursday.
And I don't know if he is going to be sent down after this performance or not.
That obviously remains to be seen.
L.J. Newsom came in for the final inning, didn't allow any base runners, and struck out two.
It was a 3-0 game in the 8th inning until Fletcher came in,
and they made it 6-0.
And that kind of took some of the pressure off John Means in a way.
Anytime a pitcher has a no-hitter,
it's almost better than he's pitching a close game
because he has to keep his team in the game.
And with a six-run lead late in the game like that,
Means didn't have that type of pressure on him,
which can sometimes be detrimental to no-hitter's.
And I thought as if he was starting to lose some of his command,
kind of towards the middle of the eighth inning during Tom Murphy's at bat,
but he still managed to not allow any hits,
and he was very good in the ninth inning.
He threw 113 pitches total.
79 of them were strikes.
That's just an enormous ratio.
What else can be said except,
congratulations to John Means,
on just an utterly dominating performance.
The time of game was less than two and a half hours as well,
two hours, 25 minutes,
in front of 6,742 fans in the ballpark whose name I refuse to mention.
Manners are going to have an off day tomorrow to kind of regroup, so to speak,
and then they are headed to where they headed.
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Yep, they face the Rangers in Arlington beginning May 7th,
and that is a three-game series, and then they have an off-day on Monday.
So hopefully they can regroup, and maybe being no-hit will kind of, you know,
kick them in the behind a little bit, and hopefully kind of spur them on to try to correct the problems that they've got.
What they're doing right now just is not working.
But I'm not going to spend the rest of the show harping on the mariner offense.
I'm not going to spend the rest of the show, you know, kind of nitpicking here and there.
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both regarding the Baltimore Orioles and Seattle Mariners, obviously,
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Welcome back to Locked-on Mariners.
Here once again is your host, D.C. Lundberg.
Thank you very much, Joey Martin.
Back to this sort of off-the-cuff edition of Locked-on Mariners, so to speak.
I don't have any sort of script.
I'm kind of flying by the seat of my pants.
So, yeah, kind of forgive me if I kind of mumble and stutter a little bit more than I ordinarily do.
I have much more of an outline ordinarily than I do today.
I have some notes here about some no-hit trivia, some dates and whatnot,
because there are some interesting parallels between this no-hitter and the previous ones that have been pitched in Seattle.
The previous no-hitter for the Mariners was James Paxton in Toronto, and the last time the Mariners were no-hit was in Houston.
And that was in 2019, and I'm trying to find the game. Here it is, August 3rd, 2019.
That was a combined no-hitter, started by Aaron Sanchez, Will Harris was a reliever in that one,
Joe Biagini and Chris DeVinsky also played in that 9-0 victory over the Seattle Maritors
in which the Maritors did not get a hit.
They walked four times.
Aaron Sanchez walked two, Will Harris walked one, and Joe Biagini also walked one.
Marco Gonzalez was a starter in that one and didn't have a great Marco Gonzalez game
that we're used to seeing.
Marco Gonzalez has trouble pitching in Houston for some reason.
There is always one ballpark and one team against whom a pitcher is going to struggle
and for Marco it seems to be the Houston Astros.
But in any case, the previous time that the Mariners had been no-hit solo
was Philip Umbers Perfecto in 2012.
There were three no-hitters in Seattle in 2012.
And the combined no-hitter is the only no-hitter in Safeco Field
slash Barbie's Dream Park history that was a night game.
All but that one have been day games, which is very interesting.
The previous no-hitter in Baltimore Orioles history was a combined no-hitter in 1991.
It was July 13, 1991.
Bob Malacki started that game for the Orioles.
He wound up later pitching for the Mariners.
He went six innings and walked three.
The late Mike Flanagan pitched the next inning, walked one hitter.
Then Mark Williamson came in and faced the minimum of three batters.
And then the Orioles closer at the time, Greg Olson, set down the A's 1-2-2-3.
in the ninth inning to preserve the combined no-hitter.
It was a two-nothing victory for Oakland.
Oakland starter Eric Schau, the late Eric Schau, pitched seven, gave up five hits and
allowed two runs and only one walk.
He did give up a home run.
Eric Scha was at the end of his career at that time.
Eric Schau was most famous for giving up Pete Rose's record-breaking hit.
The previous no-hitter, which was a solo effort by the Baltimore Orioles, occurred in 1969,
and that was also against Oakland, but it was a home game for them.
It was Wednesday, August 13th, 1969, and it was pitched by Hall of Famer Jim Palmer.
He went all nine innings, struck out eight, and walked six.
It was an eight-nothing victory for the Orioles that day.
It wasn't really close.
Starter for the A's was Chuck Dobson goes four innings.
He went four innings.
Gave up three runs on six hits.
They were all earned.
Vida Blue came in for two and a third innings of relief, and he wasn't very good.
He allowed three hits and four runs, only walked one, where Dobson allowed four walks.
The first no-hitter in Baltimore Orioles history, well, it occurred when they were the St. Louis Browns,
and it was a five-to-one victory in Detroit on August 30th, 1912, and it was pitched by a man named Earl Hamilton,
who allowed one run on two walks, and obviously no hits.
the play-by-play of the game has been lost to time, so we're not exactly sure how that run scored.
Pitching for the Tigers that day was a man named John Dubuque, J-E-A-N-D-U-B-U-C,
and he also pitched a complete game, allowed nine hits, five runs, four walks, and he struck out five.
Hamilton, by the way, did not strike out any Detroit Tigers.
I mean, it was over 100 years ago.
such a different time. And the game time was one hour and 35 minutes. The attendance was
21550. That's just slightly more than attended the Spokane Indians home opener last night.
And on a good night, the Indians will, you know, triple that capacity. And Tiger Stadium at that
time was called Navin Field. So that's the first no-hitter in the history of the Baltimore
Orioles franchise. Four of them came as the St. Louis Browns. Sixth.
of them have come as the Baltimore Orioles, with the most recent, of course, being today, John Means.
This is already the third no-hitter in Major League Baseball this season, and in those three no-hitters,
there has not been one base-on balls issued, at least by the pitcher who threw the no-hitter.
The previous two no-hitters were both ruined by hit-by pitches late in the ball game,
and this no-hitter today was ruined by a dropped third strike.
which it's just so odd.
I mean, three no hitters this early in the season is unusual enough,
but then to have no bases on balls issued in those three no hitters is just so bizarre.
There's nothing really else to say about that,
but it's just a very, very, very interesting trivia item related to all three no hitters,
which have been pitched this season.
The Mariners really have not been no hit very often for a team that's been around
since 1977.
They've been no hit only five times, and only one of them occurred at home.
Well, they've now been no hit six times, and they've been no hit twice at home today and
Philip Umbers Perfecto back in 2012.
The first time they were no hit didn't occur until 1990.
Their expansion brethren, the Toronto Blue Jays, were no hit in 1981 by Len Barker.
But the first time the Mariners were no hit was April 11th, 1990.
And it was just the third game of that season.
And it was in Anaheim Stadium in Anaheim, California.
And it was a combined no-hitter, started by former Mariner Mark Langston.
He pitched the first seven innings, struck out three, and allowed four walks.
Mike Witt pitched the final two innings for the Angels and allowed two strikeouts and faced the minimum six batters.
Starting that day for the Mariners was Eric Hanson, who only pitched five innings.
He walked three and struck out six, but he didn't allow a walk or a run.
Gary Eve, who was a man I've actually never heard of, quite honestly,
pitched the next one-and-one, two-thirds innings,
gave up one earned run on two hits and three walks,
and then Keith Comstock pitched the final one-and-two-thirds innings,
and struck out two and didn't allow anything beyond that.
So this was a one-nothing victory for the Angels that day.
Great pitches do what looked like,
even though there were kind of a, you know, a few walks here and there,
so maybe not a true pitchers duel,
but certainly a very low-scoring ballgame early in that season.
And the next time the Mariners were no hit was in Yankee Stadium.
On May 14, 1996, Dwight Gooden, no-hitting the Mariners,
nine innings for him, six walks and five strikeouts.
Sterling Hitchcock started for the Mariners that day,
five and two-thirds innings for him, six hits,
two runs, both of them earned, and four walks,
three strikeouts. Mike Jackson, Tim Davis, and Edwin Hurtado pitched the remainder of the game scoreless.
So this was a 2-0 victory for the New York Yankees.
Philip Umbers Perfecto, we already mentioned from 2012.
And we also mentioned the previous time the Mariners had been no hit, which was August 3rd, 2019 in Houston.
That was the second time the Mariners had been no hit that year.
They had been previously no hit July 12, 2019, in Anaheim,
stadium and that was the emotional game following Tyler Skaggs passing.
It was supposed to be his turn in the rotation.
Taylor Cole pitched the first two innings for the Angels, struck out two and faced the
minimum.
Then Felix Pena, pardon me, pitched the next seven innings, struck out six and allowed only
one walk.
Mike Leak started for the Mariners and only managed to go two-thirds of an inning.
this game basically was over after Mike Trout, the second hitter of the game,
hit that home run.
You knew that the Angels were just going to put together a special performance for their fallen
teammate, and boy, did they do just that.
They scored 13 runs and again did not allow a hit.
And the scene of the Angels placing all of their jerseys on the pitcher's mound,
all of which bore Skag's name and uniform number 45 on them,
is something that I will never forget.
And it's one of the few times that I have rooted against the Mariners.
After Trout hit that home run and I figured that the game was over then,
I was polling for the Angels at that time.
I'm glad that they did something very special to celebrate their fallen teammate.
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Now back to Locked on Mariners and your host, D.C. Lundberg.
Yes, indeed. We're back here on Locked on Mariners, and we have a very special guest with us.
It is the host of Locked on Orioles.
Hmm, why do I have him on today?
It's Connor Newcomb, host of Locked on Orioles. Mr. Newcomb, how are you doing?
I'm doing great, especially after what just happened in Seattle.
But thanks, D.C. for having me on.
Absolutely. It's a pleasure to have you.
We have not had a chance to speak as of yet, so it's nice to meet you.
I want to get your reaction on Means performance today.
I thought that nobody was going to touch him.
The Mayors have been struggling offensively.
Even a good offense wasn't touching Means today, I don't think.
Yeah, I mean, that's the big thing.
I mean, obviously, you know, the Mariners have some holes in their offense, as do the Orioles.
But, you know, I mean, he's facing, you know, a team like the Dodgers, like the Yankees.
It feels like he would have had a maybe not a no-hitter, but a similar type of
dominant performance. I mean, you get the 12 strikeouts, which is, you know, matched a career
high as well. It's not like he, you know, was getting a lot of, you know, lucky line drives and,
you know, a lot of fly balls. He had only one hard hit ball against him the whole day. I believe it was
that ball that was hit to the warning track in left field in the eighth inning. That was the only
hard hit ball the whole day. And it was a lot of swings and misses, a lot of soft contact, a lot of pop-ups.
But, I mean, you know, it's just been building to this for John Means. He's been getting better and
better. And, you know, since being an 11th round pick,
back in 2014 and, you know, almost leaving baseball when he was kind of stuck in
AA in the Oriole system, he is now an ace.
And I think, you know, I would hope that most baseball fans knew about John Means before today
because of, you know, how good he was early this season and the fact that he was an all-star
in 2019.
But those who didn't know about him, I'm very happy that now they do and can now open
them up to see how good John Means really is.
I didn't realize he was, A, that late round of a draft pick, and B,
almost retired. That reminds me of a story of another pitcher who wound up being close to an ace with
with the Red Sox of the 1980s, Bruce Hurst, who almost hung up his spikes after he was kind of languishing
in Triple-A-Pa-Pa-Tucket for a while and actually did leave the team for a couple of days,
came back and then was called up later in that season and then never went back to the minors,
but we're getting off topic a little bit. I think that means may have put himself on the map,
so to speak, today. I thought that ball that Kyle Lewis hit,
late may have been leaving the yard it obviously did not and the look on means face as it was
kind of flying out there was kind of one of disappointment like is this the end of my no hitter
thankfully for him and the Orioles it was not but tell us a little bit more about john means if you
would please yeah so for john means you know what you saw today um was his change up at its best
and that has been his best pitch back in 2019 means got called up at the end of 2018 as a
September call up. He pitched, you know, one game, three innings out of the bullpen, didn't look
great. You know, just they kind of gave him a chance.
2019, he made the team out of the bullpen out of spring training, and after three or four
appearances was immediately into the rotation. He was basically a fastball change-up guy that year.
And, you know, he's since, you know, upped his velocity on his four-seamer, developed his
curveball and slider better, but he will always go to that change-up. He got 14 swings and
misses on that change-up today. I mean, that is a ridiculous number. There's a, a
that called strike and whiff percentage. It's the percentage of pitches you throw that either end up as a
called strike or a swing and a miss. Of the 35 changeups he threw, 18 of them called strike and
whiff. That is 51%. 30% is considered a good day. So he was getting, I mean, the changeup was all
over. And the thing about it, you know, he's a lefty. You would think he would struggle against
Ritees. His change up is why he does well against Ritees. That thing fades, you know, down and away
from the right handers. That's how he got all those Ritees in the Mariners lineup out today.
And he's a really frustrating guy to watch your team get dominated by because he throws so many of those changeups and he's not blowing a hundred by you.
He's not dropping a Kershaw-type slider in there that you know you don't see until the last minute.
Change-ups, change-up, change-ups, I feel are the most frustrating pitch to not be able to hit.
And that's what he does to you.
And, you know, he's been building to this.
He makes the All-Star team in 19 is the Orioles only All-Star.
He doesn't even pitch in the game.
Then in 2020, you know, he's ready to take that next step.
his velocity's up at 95, and his dad passes away right at the beginning of the 2020 season,
and he had to miss some time. His head wasn't in it for a while. He had a really bad start to his
season. Then his last four starts of 2020, he was dominant, actually set his career high with 12
strikeouts against the raise at the end of last year, and he brought that momentum into this year,
and all of a sudden he's got a 137 ERA, and it all built to a day like this.
You mentioned that he's the type of frustrating, type of picture who's frustrating to take an O for a
It's what's known as a comfortable O for four
because he's not blowing a fastball by you,
but he's just getting you out
and you have trouble figuring out why.
Let's talk about,
I want to talk about some of the other members of the Orioles here
for just a second.
I'd be very impressed with Mr. Cedric Mullins.
After Monday's action,
he was leading the American League in base hits with 38.
Right now he's tied for the lead with 39.
It looks to me like he's been
not only one of the more consistent performers on the Orioles,
but one of the more consistent performers in the American League,
and he's playing well above his career averages.
What can we expect from Mr. Mullins here going forward?
Well, I can tell you why you know, you see a guy hitting this well after, you know,
struggling and going back and forth between, you know, AAA and the majors,
and you ask yourself, you know, how does he have this good of a month?
He made a huge change this offseason.
He was a switch hitter.
And this offseason, he finally said, I'm done hitting right-handed.
And he went from a switch hitter to a pure left-handed hitter.
he was a career 140 hitter from the right side.
Yeah, that's a good reason to change.
Yeah, he was a career 250-ish hitter from the left sides.
You know, he had done well against righties from the left side,
but he just could, he had one career extra base hit from the right side,
and, you know, he'd been in the majors for a little while.
That is a pretty damning number right there.
And so apparently in 2018, Buck Showalter, when he was still the manager of the Orioles,
had actually told Cedric Mullins, I think you should stop switch hitting.
Mullins kind of brushed it off, then, you know,
show Walter was let go, and it took him until this year to finally do it.
And here we are.
He was leading the American League in hits.
I believe he was leading the major baseball in hits.
The big thing that has been so great for Mullins is not just that he has five home runs,
which is a better power output that you would expect from a smaller, speedier, center fielder.
He is leading the league in hits against lefties.
Remember, this is a guy who never hit left on lefty until this year because he was a switch hiter,
and he's leading the league left on left.
That's where he's doing most of his damage.
And it's just really fun to watch.
That's amazing.
Never facing left-handed pitching as a left-handed hitter and doing that well.
Blows my mind, quite honestly.
That's just about going to do it, Mr. Newcomb.
Where can the people out there find you on social media if they are so inclined?
You can find me at Connor Newcomb underscore on Twitter.
And, of course, our podcast at Locked on Orioles on Twitter.
For more reaction, if you, Mariners fans maybe want to make yourself feel a little bit worse,
you can listen to our Thursday episode, which we'll talk all about John Means as no-hitter.
That's basically all I talked about in the first segment,
and then the second segment was nothing but no-hitter trivia.
So I didn't even talk about the mayor's win on Tuesday, which I fully planned to do,
but there's a no-hitter, so it's a hell with it.
Thanks again, Mr. Newcomb, for joining us.
Joining me tomorrow on this program, ladies and gentlemen,
locked-on mayor's contributor, John Miller will be here,
and I have absolutely no idea what we're going to talk about.
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and a tin of curiously strong breathmates.
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I hope you enjoyed today's ballgame, ladies and gentlemen,
even though the Mariners were on the wrong side of a no-hitter,
no-hitter's still very, very special.
Have a great day, gang.
This is Joey Martin for Locked-on Mariners, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network.
