Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Fan Fiction Friday: Adolis García, Anthony Santander, Brent Rooker, and More

Episode Date: December 29, 2023

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Starting point is 00:01:01 seven day trial to check out the show the link as well as their social accounts is in the description of this episode it is fan fiction friday the show where you submit your mariner's trade proposals and we grade them on the 2080 scale 80 being the best 20 being the worst let's get into it going to start here with daisy and the dingo bryce miller to the rangers for adelaus garcia turning up the heat right out of the gate coming out with a banger start the show, the final show of 2023, barring any moves. You know, we've got to say that after the whole
Starting point is 00:01:37 Christmas Eve debacle. But, uh, yeah, this is a banger, but it's not going to happen at all. No, I'm out here trying to game six this thing like Jordan except my task is much harder. Right. Colby comparing himself to Michael Jordan within the first two minutes of the show. Sure. I mean, naturally. I may be sick, but like I'm still bringing it. Um, yeah, never going to happen. So for
Starting point is 00:02:01 realism, it's like a 20 because I can't go lower. I mean, you can. No one said you can't. I mean, I think the spirit of the game is that you can't. But, you know, Pai's never been afraid of cheating. So there we go. Yeah, never going to happen. I get why because like for Bryce Miller, six years of Bryce Miller,
Starting point is 00:02:25 you would really want a player like Adola Garcia, who's better than Randy or Rosarena. and you get him for three years or maybe four. I'm pretty sure it's three, though. You get him for three years, and, you know, he certainly helps, and he's a good player, and you look at what Texas needs. They're going to lose Jordan Montgomery and free agency, probably. DeGrom and Scherzer both out for most of, if not all, of next year.
Starting point is 00:02:49 They have some pitching, and they also have some issues with their RSN, and they're using that to justify apparently, allegedly, not spending a ton this winter. They still could, but, the reports out of Texas are is that they are kind of doing the same thing Seattle is, where they're not really going to, you know, blow up the payroll as much as they thought they were going to be willing to do. So you can understand why they'd have interest in Bryce Miller. Obviously, the mayors will have a lot of interest in Adoles Garcia, but it's just not going to happen. They're not trading. I don't think either side makes this
Starting point is 00:03:20 trade because you also have to remember, these two teams are battling each other for the division in theory next year. So very little incentive for either side to get a deal done. with each other. And even so, like, I don't think Texas does this. Because Texas has the pieces in their farm system, they could just go get Dylan cease without touching their Major League roster. And that would be smarter of them to do. So, yeah, I think on the very surface level, you can look at it and be like, oh, well, you know,
Starting point is 00:03:50 Mariners need a, you know, kind of a Robin to Julio's Batman. And they're also really good friends. So that would be fun. and the Rangers definitely need pitching but there are just other ways for these two teams to get there what they need without helping out the other one
Starting point is 00:04:07 so I just think that's the route they'll go yeah I don't think the Mariners would want to help bail the Rangers out of their legitimate pitching concerns heading into this upcoming season and the Rangers I mean they've already lost Mitch Garber to the Mariners so they've already lost some firepower from that lineup
Starting point is 00:04:26 great lineup this past season I don't see them subtracting from that even further Plus Garcia's coming off of a career year He's more than affordable still Only projected to make six and a half million dollars in arbitration And he's the heart and soul of that team He was the heart and soul of that championship run that they went on
Starting point is 00:04:48 He is like obviously Corey Seeger is the best player on that team But Garcia is the guy There in Texas I just don't see them truly. Julio's the best player for the Mariners, but JP's the guy. Yeah. But hey,
Starting point is 00:05:06 you know what? Thanks for giving us our thumbnail in our title. Really appreciate that. Can the Mariners trade for Adolus Garcia? Yeah. Yeah. Exclamation point. So 40 grade just for that.
Starting point is 00:05:19 Realism's a 20. So that's like I was going to give it. For context, I was going to give it like a 25 or a 30, but you get a 40 because you gave us our thumbnail. title. Sure. I'll give it a 35, but if this episode breaks 5K views, then I'll pump it up to a 45. That's your, that's your incentive right there. So yeah, yeah. I'm sure you'll definitely circle back on that. Yeah. Thanks, Daisy. Yeah, thank you, Daisy. All right. Next one here comes
Starting point is 00:05:49 from Campbell. Angels get Gabby Gonzalez, Emerson Hancock, Jonathan Clase, and Axel Sanchez for Mickey Moniac and Taylor Ward from the Angels. Someone's been listening to the Patreon show. Kobe, what do you think? Yeah, Ty's a huge fan of Mickey Moniac, and it's pretty easy to see why. Right. And he can't hit lefties and that he ran a 2.5% walk rate with a 30% K rate. Like, he's basically to Oscar Hernandez on steroids.
Starting point is 00:06:17 Right. I mean, that worked out so great. So why not do it again? Except, you know, he's a lefty and he can legitimately play some defense. uh, angels are not shopping. We have not seen that report, but they are getting interest in a lot of their controllable guys. It doesn't sound like the angels are wanting to rebuild.
Starting point is 00:06:36 However, uh, they're in the hunt on apparently J.D. Martinez and Blake Snell. So. Yeah, which would be perfect. Um, so they ask her and Ed is a Mickey Moniac in the same outfield. Why not?
Starting point is 00:06:49 So yeah, it doesn't sound like they're going to rebuild. Uh, so I think you're going to have to come with, like legitimately good MLB ready guys for Taylor War they might legitimately ask you for Bryce Miller
Starting point is 00:07:03 or Brian Will and at that point you say ha ha ha no goodbye unless can I also get like re-Detmers at which point they say
Starting point is 00:07:18 okay ha ha goodbye yeah so yeah Gabby Gonzalez Emerson Hancock Jonathan Clase Hancock and Kloss Hancock would help the Angels this year if he's healthy.
Starting point is 00:07:31 Klossi might at some point, but maybe, maybe not. Axel Sanchez is a throw-in. Gonzalez isn't going to help them this year. So you're asking him to take away two majorly contributing pieces for one guy who might help them this year
Starting point is 00:07:44 and they're not going to rebuild. Like, I think if they're doing this trade, you kind of have to either force them to rebuild, which means you're giving them like Harry Ford and Gonzalez, and Classet for one of these guys, or you're giving them Miller or Wu, which I don't think Seattle should do as much as I really like Taylor Ward,
Starting point is 00:08:03 but I wouldn't trade Miller or Wu for Taylor Ward. No. Also, Emerson Hancock with his injury history, seems like a great fit for the Angels pitching development team. It's weird, because they do produce some good pitchers. Suarez, Detmer's had a good year, Sand of all I really like, but they always get hurt. They always get hurt.
Starting point is 00:08:25 It's insane. Yeah, I like Taylor Ward. There's also, by the way, there's a reason that the Angels are one of only two teams Jerry DePoto's never made a trade with. It's because that ownership group holds a grudge.
Starting point is 00:08:43 Are they going to be willing to help Jerry DePoto? I don't know. I think their front office would be interested in having conversations with Jerry Apoto, would their owner allow them to? Maybe. Maybe that's softened, but maybe not. So that's nothing you have to consider.
Starting point is 00:09:01 It doesn't feel like a coincidence that the two teams, Siri to Potto hasn't made a trade with during his tenure in Seattle, which is closing in on a decade now, is with two teams that he's been in the front offices of, Colorado Rockies and the Los Angeles Angeles, Angeles, of Hanaheim. I'll excuse the Rockies one, though, because they're legitimately dumb. They're just weird and dumb.
Starting point is 00:09:24 But the Angels won, yeah, the team that Jerry resigned from and then went to their division rival to be their GM. Sure. And they proceeded to kick their butts. They might feel some type of way, especially after trying to control what Jerry could do, where Jerry basically wasn't even a GM at that point where it was just Sosha and Moreno. Yeah. Yeah. So good idea. I like Taylor Warren.
Starting point is 00:09:50 And I'm not saying that they definitely don't have because it does feel like. No, if this was any other team, I think this is a really solid trade. I still feel like you'd have to replace Gonzalez with Ford or maybe even Colt Emerson, but or maybe you have to even add Ford to Gonzalez to this package. Because again, you kind of have to force the Angels to rebuild because roster wise, it's not an awful roster. And we've talked about this a lot. 85ish wins put you right in the mix for a playoff spot. the Angels roster with some luck in i.e. health. And specifically the health of Mike Trout.
Starting point is 00:10:25 Sure. They can win 83, 85 games and they'd be right in the mix. So yeah, they should rebuild because their farm system is terrible. They're an aging core. But I don't know if they're going to, but I like the idea. I do. I'm a big Taylor Ward fan. So I'll say 45. I think you're on the right track.
Starting point is 00:10:43 It just needs a little bit of work. I'll go, I'll split 45 and 50. call it 47.5. 48. Yeah. Straddle in that fence. We got more trades coming up here in just a moment. But first, a reminder of this episode of the Lockdown, Marys podcast is brought to you by Fanduel.
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Starting point is 00:12:26 we've got a little bit of an announcement to make. We know that quite a lot of you that have tried to get involved in Mailbag Monday, Fan Fiction Friday, aren't on Twitter. And we typically only use Twitter because it's hard to keep track of all the questions and trade submissions we get via email and in the comments on YouTube. so we usually just stick to Twitter. But now we're going to give you a way to submit questions in just one spot. We're going to have a Google Doc.
Starting point is 00:12:55 It's going to be linked in the description of this episode here on YouTube and in the description of the episodes on podcast platforms. So all you have to do is go to the description, click the link, and it'll take you to a place where you can ask us questions. You can sign off your name if you want to. You can keep it anonymous. It doesn't really matter. and we'll try to get to as many as we can,
Starting point is 00:13:17 and we're going to start doing that for this upcoming mailbag Monday. So link will be in the description of this episode. So go over there if you have a question you want us to answer on Monday's show on the first of the year. All right, let's get back into these trade proposals. We got one here from Matthew. It's a kind of a challenge trade, a prospect for prospect deal. Michael Arroyo for right-handed pitcher Nick Nish. Nistrini from the White Sox.
Starting point is 00:13:47 I like this deal. I think this is a solid deal. I'm not sure if the White Sox would do this because Nistrini is pretty close. And the White Sox need pitching help. He's obviously had some command and control issues, but he has the potential for three legitimate plus pitches, including that slider, which is disgusting. If the Marys were able to pull this off,
Starting point is 00:14:10 I'd be very excited about that, especially getting him involved with the mayor's pitching development. There's definitely some question marks here, like I said, but I really like the arm here. I just don't know if the White Sox would do this. I'll give this one a 50, though. It's creative. I don't think it's super unrealistic.
Starting point is 00:14:32 I can't wrap my head around the White Sox actually doing this, but I think the valuation is fairly close. Fairly close. I mean, it kind of depends on what the White Sox want to do this year and next year. Yeah. Because giving up an arm that could help you this year and could explode, you know, at any point, pretty counterproductive unless you're getting a really good player back. So, Arroyo kind of an up and down year, but obviously a pretty good prospect. I wonder maybe the White Sox would look at this and say, what have been saying?
Starting point is 00:15:10 Instead, you give us, like, Las Montes, who is a little bit safer, a little bit closer to the big leagues, and like Taylor Tramel to kind of give us a lottery ticket that we can use this year and do that. Or it's give us Michael Morales or I think you can make an argument that Emerson Hancock straight up is a fair trade here because it's safety for upside, essentially. Right. But I think that defeats the purpose. What you're looking for here is AAA depth that you can add in line behind Hancock. because the mayors don't really have any. So I like the idea of going out and getting a unproven upside play to be, you know, the number two, number three guy in Tacoma or Arkansas. It doesn't really matter where they send them. But then, you know, give him a shot.
Starting point is 00:15:55 But sure. Give him a shot in spring training. See what he looks like. Maybe you move him to the bullpen right away. If you think that he can help you out there, kind of like Brash. And it is kind of similar to Brash where it's really good stuff. Just needs to tweak a little bit. needs to find the strikes
Starting point is 00:16:10 over more often. I think it's going to cost you more than a Royal, but I think it's a good idea. But I just wonder if the White Sox are interested in a player who's so far away. So I'll say,
Starting point is 00:16:22 I think it's a, I think it's a 5560 on like idea. I think it's probably like a 40 on execution, but I'm making some assumptions about the White Sox front office that I don't know one way or the other. So I'll give it a solid 50 overall. I think it's an interesting idea.
Starting point is 00:16:39 So we're in agreement on that one. I really like that deal. So thank you so much for your submission, Matthew. We're going to transition here to Blair 91, who has a deal with the Orioles, Anthony Santander and CNL Perez for Emerson Hancock and Jonathan Clase. This isn't enough for Santander in my mind. With Hancock's injury concerns, you know, he obviously finished the year on the IL. He's overall pretty unspectacular. I know the Orioles aren't going to spend much money
Starting point is 00:17:10 and they do need pitching help. They do need rotation help. I just don't know if they're going to send one of their best bets the other way to get someone with a very limited ceiling like Hancock. There's safety there in terms of like what he is when he's healthy, but there's also a lack of safety in that he hasn't really been able to stay healthy in his professional career. I'm not really sure what Claucet does in this deal either.
Starting point is 00:17:37 Yeah, you also get. Perez who's a pretty decent part of their bullpen. Yeah. Particularly against lefties. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure what Clossey does because, you know, if like he's not in their plans, if they acquire him because they have four or five guys who are ahead of him.
Starting point is 00:17:58 Simply put, maybe they really like him. I don't know. But I don't think that's too much for Santander because, like you said, the Orioles are cheap. And what they could do is they could trade Santander and not pay him with the $12 million and then spend that $12 million and go out and get, you know, I mean, James Paxton or somebody like that. And then it's not just Hancock, you know, that you're putting in your rotation at the cost Santander, it's Hancock and whatever you spend the money on.
Starting point is 00:18:25 Yeah. I just feel like if the Mariners could get Anthony Santander for Aramerson, Hancock, I feel like they would have done it by now. I don't think so because Hancock is a pretty important part for the Mariners, because they don't have rotation depth. He is the number six right now. Yeah. And your number four and your number four, you know, and five just said your high.
Starting point is 00:18:45 But would you let having a number six get in the way of getting a potential difference maker in the middle of your lineup in 2020? Do they think Santander is a difference maker? I mean, he has been for the last couple of years. Because there's long stretches where he's just another dude. Like, he's also a really bad defender. Yeah. So he's probably a DH only type. I mean, I guess if you live with Teosker Hernandez for, you know, six months, you can live with Santander for six months.
Starting point is 00:19:11 I don't know. I don't think that's too far off valuation-wise. I think the Perez thing tips it over the scale a little too much. But, yeah, I mean, like, a part of this also is how do the how do the Orioles feel about Kirstad? How do they feel about Kouser? You know, how do they feel about Hayes and Montcastle? What are they going to do with those guys? I do wonder maybe
Starting point is 00:19:36 Typhrance could be in play here to kind of help even out salaries and whatnot, but it seems unlikely. So I don't, I'm just a little bit confused about what the Orioles want to do because in theory, with all this position like depth, all this position player depth in a limited budget,
Starting point is 00:19:56 Santander is a guy that they should trade because I feel like they can replace him. Yeah. I haven't really shown any of, interest in doing any of that. So I'm not really sure where they stand on this. Yeah, I don't think adding salary on the Mariners' behalf makes much sense here because I think
Starting point is 00:20:11 part of the allure and part of the reason that maybe the Orioles would actually trade Santander for Hancock is getting rid of his contract, right? Getting rid of his money. So I don't think France would make too much sense here. Yeah, I'll go 40.
Starting point is 00:20:29 I'll go 45. I think it's pretty close. But again, I don't know. Like, I'm confused by what Baltimore's plan is. Right. I mean, a lot of Fanfare Friday is making assumptions about other front offices and the motivations of other front offices. Sure, but Baltimore is a little bit weird because they just won 108 games or whatever.
Starting point is 00:20:50 And then sounds like they might cut payroll again. So it's a little hard, but they've also been linked to like, they're linked to Imanaga, and it's like that seems counter. So they also gave $13 million to Craig Kimberl, right? So yeah, yeah. So that's an overpay, by the way.
Starting point is 00:21:12 But like, yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know what they're going to do. I'll say 45. I think Hancock for Santander is actually pretty fair. You're listening to the Lockdown era of this podcast. Thank you again for making us your first to listen here on fan fiction and Friday.
Starting point is 00:21:25 We got three more trades to go over. Justin has a deal here with the Royals, M.J. Melendez, who's a favorite. I guess I would say of yours, Coley, and for Emerson Hancock and Alberto Rodriguez. Melendez, of course, a catcher in name.
Starting point is 00:21:43 He can be stationed behind the plate. He has been stationed in a corner outfield spot, right? I think that's the language we agreed upon here, you know, to when talking about someone that has played positions, but isn't particularly good at any of them.
Starting point is 00:22:00 Yeah, so Melendez, young player, club controlled, some interesting things in the bat. What do you think about that for Hancock and Rodriguez? A lot of people trying to trade him or say Hancock today. Yeah, trying to trade him like he's Kyle Gibson. Imagine that. So I like Melendez, don't love him.
Starting point is 00:22:25 He was sneakily one of the better hitters in the American League in the second half of last year. Power really started to show up. He's got left-handed pull power, that ballpark in Kansas City, not best suited for home runs. Certainly a good place to hit for doubles and triples, but I think Melendez's power...
Starting point is 00:22:43 For outside the park home runs. Sure. Yeah, I think Melendez's power would actually play up pretty nice at Team Mobile, but he is a bad defender. It doesn't matter where you put him, he's bad. Now, last year was kind of the first year where he was a full-time outfielder,
Starting point is 00:22:58 so it's possible that he can improve. But I think at best he's to Oscar Hernandez out there defensively. And he's not even a sure bet to be, you know, what Teo was at the plate last year because he's never had a WRC plus of 100 in his career. So it's kind of all upside here. You're taking a shot. He's got four years of club control left, maybe five.
Starting point is 00:23:20 I'm not quite sure what the cutoff date is. But again, in Hancock, you're giving up like pretty much your entire pitching depth, which is a problem. but you're giving that up for a guy who's never even been league average for an entire season. Yeah. Yeah. If you told me that the Orioles would actually trade Santander for that package that we just talked about and the Royals would do this, you know, and I had the option of the two, I'd pick the Santander one. You know, club control be damned.
Starting point is 00:23:51 Upside be damned. I'd rather just go for the sure thing from trading Hancock. Relatively sure thing. Yeah. Relatively sure thing. I mean, he's produced the last couple of years. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:02 I mean, certainly more than Melendez has. I think this is probably about what the Royals would ask, though. I think that's, this is probably, and I think Seattle ultimately would say no, but if Kansas City wanted to add like Samad Taylor or,
Starting point is 00:24:18 you know, uh, the catcher, uh, who hit a little bit last year. Yeah. If they wanted to add a, a second piece who could conceivably help me,
Starting point is 00:24:29 then I might be interested in this. And again, I'm a Melendez guy. I think he can hit. I think he will hit. But do I want to take a shot on it being 2024? Ideally, no.
Starting point is 00:24:42 Especially when it might be your second best bat that you get after Garber. Yeah. Like, I don't know. Like, I would love for Melendez to be the fourth bat I bring in. I think you have about what Kansas City would ask for, realistically.
Starting point is 00:24:56 So I'll give it like a 45. it's close and I wouldn't be upset if Seattle made a move like this but I'd be like okay what are you doing with the pitching now like what's what's the game plan because it can't be Jimmy Joyce with all the respect I'll follow your lead on this one because you've done more research into Melinda's so I'll go 45 and also because you know all I do here on the show is copy your opinions as we all know whatever you say Mr. Podcast I just try to phrase them in different ways to make it seem like I'm not copying your thoughts and opinions. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:25:31 Mm-hmm. Yep. Thanks. As has been established. Mark here has a deal with the A's. So, um, if not Emerson, Hancock and Alberto Rodriguez for MJ Melendez, how about Emerson Hancock, Alberto Rodriguez, and Taylor Dollard for Brent Rooker and Paul Blackburn? Don't think the A's are doing that.
Starting point is 00:25:51 No, I don't. No, not at all. The A's will take bulk on occasion. They will. But this is a little too bulky. Taylor-Dollard does nothing. He does literally nothing. No offense to Taylor-Dollard,
Starting point is 00:26:10 but like right now coming off the injury, just as an asset. Yeah, he just doesn't have it. Like you're better off just keeping Dollared and rehabbing him and seeing him maybe he can be a part of your rotation, like in an emergency next year. But yeah,
Starting point is 00:26:23 he does nothing to this deal. I'm a big fan of Rooker also, as you guys know. Blackburn to me is just kind of a number five starter, maybe a number four. And I feel like they're going to ask for something that does not reflect who Paul Blackburn really is. Sure. I mean, they're, I guess they're going to pretend that they're not afraid of Paul Blackburn's $1.5 million contract. But yeah, that totally seems like something the A's would do. So, yeah, too bulky for this.
Starting point is 00:26:54 able to get done. I think you could interest them in like, Claucce and Hancock for Rooker, straight up. They might do that for Blackburn straight up, but you put them together, like they're going to be like, oh, cool,
Starting point is 00:27:10 give us Michael Oroyo, give us Gabriel Gonzalez and give us, you know, Teddy McGraw or whoever it is, right? Right. It's, what's really tough about these trades is that
Starting point is 00:27:19 the Mariners don't really have what most teams want to like kind of round out these trades, which is pitching. Yeah. Because they really lack like the... They really need to go hard after pitching on the draft.
Starting point is 00:27:31 Yeah. I mean, because right now, like legitimately after Hancock, like the best pitcher in the Mariners system, Phillips, maybe,
Starting point is 00:27:42 who they just acquired in the Kaldick trade, maybe McGraw, both of whom coming off of major injuries. Morales didn't really take a step forward, Bowen, a lot of reliever risk there.
Starting point is 00:27:51 So, yeah, this feels like too much forward. Yeah. yeah it feels like too much bulk uh for me so i'm gonna say like 35ish i think if you had done this package for one of these guys i could maybe go 45 i'd still think it's a tiny bit light but not not the end of the world uh but i think ties right i think there's a chance that oakland looks at this and be like oh we're going to cash in even though the starting pitching market is
Starting point is 00:28:18 really deep in free agency and there's like 12 paul blackburns that people can give paul blackburn's an all-star colby sure an all-star. So any global back, and yet he's a free agent. He's going to sign a minor little deal. So, yeah. Yeah. Rooker is an all-star.
Starting point is 00:28:33 So. Yeah. Two all-stars of one trade, Colby. That to me says Harry Ford Plus. I mean, I don't think they're that dumb, but I just don't think Dollard and Rodriguez do much. I think they definitely would like start with Gabby Gonzalez. Oh, sure, sure. At least.
Starting point is 00:28:53 They could start there. But at least. yeah i mean i can see honestly i wouldn't be surprised if they were like yeah harry ford sure i mean i'd laugh at their face yeah no i'd immediately hang up and ridicule them like not even like a response but yeah i bet they really like like type heat that's a guy they could they could develop over three or four years and by the time they're in bagas like he could be the the face of their franchise type of guy like he's got that upside i would i would like type Pete to be one of the faces of my franchise personally but i mean you've never even
Starting point is 00:29:25 and Matt Brent Rooker though. So, right. Right. So he did say that his favorite ballpark is T. Moble Park. Yep. He's definitely been kissing up a little bit. He's not quite as thirsty as Blake's now.
Starting point is 00:29:37 No, like no one could be as thirsty as Blake from shoreline. Yeah. But I don't think that the A's look at Rodriguez and Dollared as anything in this trade. So Hancock for those two. Not going to happen. Hancock and Farmello.
Starting point is 00:29:53 Hancock, Farmello and you know class A maybe yeah yeah all right uh did i give a grade for that one uh if not 40 40 40 yeah last trade here from alex tigers get hose caballero and taylor tremel and the mirrors get third baseman slash corner outfielder justin henry maloy and outfielder justice Bigby. No. That's no. No.
Starting point is 00:30:32 No. Sorry, but no. Malloy is like a legitimate prospect. And Bigby is coming off a really, really nice year down to the minors as well. Like I just for Jose Caballero and Taylor Trammell, who,
Starting point is 00:30:45 I mean, the Mariners are going to DFA. Taylor Trammell at some point. He's out of minor league options. He's not making the small club. I mean, as currently constructed, he might. Sure.
Starting point is 00:30:53 Because they, hopefully the, the, don't go to spring training as currently constructed. And so, you know, when they DFA him, the tigers will have a pretty decent chance. Just claim him. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:08 Two things on Justin Henry Maloy. First of all, the walk number is astounding. It's like 18% walk rate. Yeah. With some pretty good pop. He's a legit prospect. The other thing is a lot of times when you see somebody who has like a slash in their position,
Starting point is 00:31:24 as a prospect. Typically, what that means is they suck at both of them. And that's the case here. He cannot play third base. He cannot play in the outfield. He's a first baseman. But these are two guys who could conceivably help the tigers this year. And they could help them more than Caboero and Tremel,
Starting point is 00:31:44 even though those two guys have major league experience. So to me, this is wishful thinking. I think if you want, like, Malloy, then you're going to have to get. give up a better prospect who is further away to kind of balance that out. So it's like they might be like, oh, you're interested in it. Fine, we'll give him to you for Harry Ford. Like, because Malloy's ready to go, he's probably going to make his major league debut this year.
Starting point is 00:32:09 The bad is something that a lot of people believe in. And you just stick them at first base. Like, it's not a huge deal. So I don't see it. Bigby's an interesting guy. He's also probably going to make his debut this year. This is just your, the tigers are trading. side for I don't even really want to say safety because there's a good chance that
Starting point is 00:32:31 tremel and cabbiero aren't on your 40 man at the end of the year so yeah it's just it's it's wishful thinking I think you got to throw in like a legitimate prospect so yeah 30 35 25 Yeah And in the year on a sour note Just keep in mind You pick the order of these trades So that's on you
Starting point is 00:32:58 True True All right So like I said earlier This is Possibly the last show of 2023 It's the last scheduled show of 20203 at least But you know
Starting point is 00:33:13 That The last scheduled show of a you know, week or month or a year has never stopped Derry to Poto from doing something. So we might be back before the year is out. But if not, happy new year to you and yours. Thank you guys so much for a wonderful 2023. We've reached some really cool milestones over the course of this year. 10,000 subscribers on YouTube, of course, over 2 million downloads and views across
Starting point is 00:33:43 YouTube and podcast platforms. We just missed the 1 million download mark on the podcast platforms. We're currently at about 950,000 on the year. I would assume we're probably going to finish somewhere. I assume though we're probably going to finish somewhere in the 953, 954-ish-thous, 000 range. Share this episode, guys, blow it up. Right, 50,000 views.
Starting point is 00:34:08 We need 50,000 views on the next two and a half days or so. but yeah so thank you guys so much thank you guys so much though for all of your support thank you guys so much for constantly tuning into the show and helping us grow this thing to where it's gotten and looking forward to more growth in 2024 looking forward to growing this community more looking forward to growing this show more
Starting point is 00:34:34 looking forward to doing more cool stuff and bringing on some cool guests and doing some cool projects and giveaways and all that stuff in 2024 and hey maybe the you know the baseball team we cover might actually you know do us a favor and make the playoffs because uh had they done that probably wouldn't be talking about being 50,000 short of a million podcast downloads but uh I digress. I digress. Yeah. Yeah. But to a to a wonderful 2024. Colby, before we get out of here, favorite moment in 2023 putting you on the spot. Uh, not really because it's a pretty obvious answer. Uh, you guys raised $15,000 for, for feeding America. And Ty got that tattoo, which somebody asked if you had gotten like they never saw. So it's like,
Starting point is 00:35:23 yeah, it's right there. Yeah, $15,000. Probably going to do something similar. I don't know if it'll be feeding America again. Probably it's really good value in terms of donation. So we'll probably do that again in 2024.
Starting point is 00:35:36 I don't think we'll quite hit $15,000 this time. But, you know, we'll see what you guys can do. And yeah, that one, obvious to me that that's beyond baseball and beyond the podcast and shows what a good community you guys are including the the two guys who are the two groups or whatever uh the two donations that totaled like eight thousand dollars in the last two or three days to force tie to get that
Starting point is 00:35:59 tattoo which he was going to get anyways uh so yeah uh that that's that's definitely the moment yeah uh yeah it's hard to top that one um a more personal favorite moment of mine, us being able to manage that weird-ass schedule we had back in March with both of us traveling at very different times. Both of us traveling to the same place, but at different points in time. Oh, we can have a part, sure. Yep. Yep.
Starting point is 00:36:29 Still haven't met each other in person. You know, we did get a Jerry interview. Like, we did get a Jerry DePoto interview. Yeah, that's sure. That was. That was technically this year. I think that was in January, but that was technically this year. So that feels like a long time ago.
Starting point is 00:36:44 But yeah, we did interview Jerry. We interviewed some really cool players like Penn Murphy and Darren Bowen, who were very gracious with their time. And shout out to some of our other guests that we've had on here, like Jordan Schusterman, Gary Hill, of course. So it's been a really, really, really fun year here on the show and looking forward to an even bigger and better year in 2024. So that's going to do it for us.
Starting point is 00:37:12 Thank you so much for joining us here on the Lockdown Marrars podcast. Colby Pat Node, I'm Ty Dan Gonzalez. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at LO underscore Mariners. You can follow me at Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby at C-Pad 11. That's C-P-A-T-1-1. You can also find all that stuff in the description of this episode. Thank you again for making us your first. Listen and have yourself a beautiful baseball day.
Starting point is 00:37:32 And we'll see you next year. Peace.

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