Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Fan Fiction Friday: Anthony Santander, Gregory Soto and More Potential Mariners Targets

Episode Date: December 30, 2022

We are wrapping up 2022 the same way we wrapped up 2021, by handing out grades to your submitted trade proposals! On this edition of Fan Fiction Friday, Colby and Ty discuss Anthony Santander, Trent Grisham, Gregory Soto and more, along with the value of Taylor Trammell and Chris Flexen.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/NHTSADrive sober or get pulled over. Click HERE to learn more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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The link as well as our social accounts is in the description below. It's our final show of 2022 and a fan fiction Friday at that. We receive several trade ideas from our listeners on Twitter. We're going to get into a few of them today. starting off with an Anthony Santander trade. He was a popular guy in your proposals. I think we got like

five or six Santander trades. We actually have two that we're going to go over in today's show. The first one comes from at T. Pedro, who has the Mariners receiving Anthony Santander, the switch hitting outfielder from the Baltimore Orioles and the Orioles

receive Chris Flexen and Michael Morales starting pitching prospect who the Mariners drafted not this past year, but a year, but back in 2021. So what do you think about the steel, Colby? First of all, I think it's pretty fitting that we ended last year on fan fiction Friday, and we're doing it again this year because I love fan fiction Friday. Ty hates it. I love fan fiction Friday. There you go. Yeah, Santander is a weird one. I'm not really sure how to evaluate trades with him. He's certainly a fit. And, you know, he's a player that I think the

Mariners have some interest in. Just the issue is I have no idea how Baltimore values him. Because before the second half of last year, he was fine. He's good. But the second half last year, he took off and he was, you know, a borderline star. He's a left fielder. He can switch hit. He's got power.

Like, he's a good player, but there's two years of club control there. We know that the Orioles are at least open to trading him. we've heard as much. So I just, I don't know how to value Santander. I really don't because I'm not sure how the Orioles view him, see a long-term piece of their future. Do they want to resign them or do they want to trade them?

I don't know. And this trade in particular, I don't really think Chris Flexon's all that valuable to Baltimore. I know they're looking for starting pitching still, but I just, I just go out and sign Michael Waka. You know what I mean? Like, it's the same thing.

So why, why give up a valuable asset if you're just adding somebody like Michael Morales. Morales is a good prospect. He's an interesting prospect, but he's not going into the top 10 of the Orioles system. He's not that type of guy. So I just,

I don't know how to value Santander trades because I'm not, this could be dead on accurate or it could be a 20, depending on, you know, what the Orioles really want to do with Santander. So I don't know, to be honest with you. If I'm the Orioles, I'm, if I'm selling Santander,

I'm selling high. And if not, and if I can't do that, then so be it. I have them under club control for the next few years. I feel like, you know, and I know that their GM outright said, you know, we're more so looking at 2024. Like we don't want to spend a lot of money, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There's all that stuff that came out. But, yeah, I mean, like, they still have a chance to compete for a wild card spot this year. I think they have a good enough roster to do that and riding the momentum from last year.

I think they're going to be in a pretty decent spot. So really, if I'm the Orioles, I'm only selling Santander if I get something really nice for him. And, you know, flexing would help them. He would help their rotation, which does need another starter like a Chris Flexen in it. And I know that, you know, Connor over at Lockdown Orioles, you know, wanted like, that's why I went on his show about a week or so ago was to talk about guys like Flex and Marco. So there is an interest there in a starter like that. but I just I don't think that it's going to be that's that's going to be what's going to land you with Santander at the end of the day and Michael Morales I don't think makes up the difference here that much because again you know Santander's had a weird career he's mostly been a below average hitter for them you know for the majority of his career but he exploded you know last year had a pretty good 2020 I think it's going to cost you a little little bit it's going to cost you a little bit more than a than a Chris Flex and Michael Morales.

I think, especially with the two years of club control. So, again, it is weird. It is a weird market to, Santadere's market is weird to kind of gauge. But I think this does miss the mark a little bit. So I'll give it a 40 because I don't think it's, it's not the worst thing I've heard. You know, and maybe it's what the Orioles would actually do at the other day. But just to me, if I were the Orioles, I'm not accepting this. So yeah, I think 40's pretty fair.

Again, the obvious caveat with every single trade that involves prospects is we don't know how the Orioles view any of the Mariners prospects. So maybe they think Mike and Morales is the future number three. And if that's the case, then this might get it done. Maybe they think he's for a bullpen type of guy. In that case, no, this isn't going to work. So I'll give it a 40. Yeah. All right, so our next trade comes from Banana the Bad Guy Williams, who has another Anthony Santander trade.

Marius get Santander, Oriel's get Perlander Baroa, Michael Morales again, and Taylor Tremel. I think the steel is pretty interesting. What do you think about it? Well, first of all, kudos for using Ty's favorite website to craft your trade. That is an instant plus 10. in your grade. And a negative 10 for me, of course. Sure.

Tramel is really interesting for Baltimore. He's a guy who has multiple years of club control. I believe still five. You know, and he was once a highly touted prospect. He's certainly very athletic. And there are, there's power in the battle. Like, there are enough, even though he struggled in the big leagues, there is enough of a track record to suggest that he could be better.

He could be pretty good. So I think Tremel here is a really, really interesting get. I still think you probably want to add flexen in this deal. So I feel like if it's Tremel, Flexen, and Morales, I think Baltimore probably bites at that. So I think actually if you combine the two trades that we're talking about here, you know, you're probably looking at probably, I would say 55. I'm open to trading Taylor Tremel, accepting that much like Jesse Winker, accepting that Jesse Wicker is going to hit very well for Milwaukee. I'm accepting that Taylor Tramel probably has a year in him where he hits

270 with 30 home runs. And it probably won't be for the meritor. So, yeah, it would suck. You know, I love Taylor, but on the other hand, it would give Taylor a chance to play every day. And I think that would be interesting to Baltimore. Maybe they want a little more security

than Trammel, but I think he's the type of guy that Baltimore would tend to target. Yeah, and I mean, let's be real about it, Santander, in the second half of this year, I think, was hitting at his hundredth percentile. So do they think that that can actually continue? Who knows?

Maybe they actually feel that Taylor Tremel has more upside than Santander at this point. And he gives them a longer term option, obviously. So I think that is interesting for Baltimore here. Like you said, if you combine T. Pedro's trade and this trade, then I think that's a pretty good starting point. And maybe even if you're the Mariners, you can get maybe an arm, a bullpen arm and interesting bullpen arm in this. Yeah.

So can you get like Dylan Tate? Yeah, that would be out of this. Yeah. So I'll give this a 50. I'm filling a 50 on this one. I will also give it a 50. I'll give it a 55 because I got to add the bonus for using baseball trade values. And of course, and of course this was actually a 60,

but because you use baseball trade values, it became a 50. No, I'm just kidding. All right. yeah, we got time to do one more here in the first segment. Let's go over to Jordan's trade. Jordan also used my favorite website, but he does admit that trade machine bad. Yes, yes, it very much is. But this was the only way to have it posted in a clean graphic. I mean, you could have just typed it. Written it out. Yeah, you could have just written it out. You could have taken a screenshot of your, you know, no pad or whatever. Fatherhood has made Jordan lazy.

Tis ticks. All right. So Jordan's proposal is with the Padres. Mariners Gate, Trent Grisham, who was mentioned by Padres beat reporter, Dennis Lynn last night, as someone that they might be open to trading. So I think we got a couple of Grisham proposals because of that. And Blake Snell, who we've talked about on this show, for the competitive balance round A selection. which is number 30 overall, next summer's draft.

Taylor Dollar, Chris Flexen, and Gabriel Gonzalez. So what do you think about this one? This is a big deal. Yeah, I don't think Flexen has any value in this type of deal. So you've got to toss him out. And then Grisham's really weird. You know, I ran a poll on Trudeau the Trident Twitter account or controlled his own Twitter, whichever one it is.

And it's about six, I asked you simply, you know, would you trade pick 30 for Trent Grisham? And it was about 60, 40, yes, that last check. But people had very strong opinions about Trent Grisham. No, he can't hit. Like, he's just Jared Kelnick, blah, blah, blah. And I don't know if I buy that. I don't think Grisham is as bad as he was this last year at the plate. I don't think he's particularly great at the plate.

But I feel like he's pretty safe bet to have a 100-ish WRC plus. he can play center field pretty well. Obviously, you can play the corners pretty well. He's got a little bit of pop. He's got some speed. So he's an interesting guy. And he's probably, you know, pretty safe two-win player type of bat. So he's certainly interesting.

And obviously, Snell, we know who Blake Snell is, but one year of club control, you know, the Padres are really pushing that luxury tax threshold. They've never really wanted to pay it before. Do they still want to? I don't know. But I think this package overall is too light for two guys. it's kind of almost valuing Blake Snell as a salary dump, and that's not how you're going to acquire Blake Snell.

So for me, I think if you want Grisham and Snell, you're probably, I mean, the 30th overall pick is a good place to start. But I think, you know, you're probably looking at that, dollared, maybe Bryce Miller and Matt Festa, you know, something like that, something that can help their Major League roster right now, too. Yeah, the Padres need. to replenish their farm system for sure. So like that aspect of it is, you know, almost certainly attractive to San Diego.

But the thing that I'm really getting hung up on here is Snell and Flexen. Right. They already have two Chris Flexons in the rotation right now and Nick Martinez and Seth Lugo. They're not going to take one of their higher end starters out of the rotation and essentially replace that spot with another Seth Lugo, Nick Martinez type of arm. So yeah, I just I don't think that the Padres are in a position right now to make a deal like this unless they have You know a fallback plan in place or like another you know lever to pull and with regards to their rotation But yeah, I just I don't really see this and overall I think it's too light for for someone that has the upside of Grisham

Obviously he's had struggles Colby already mentioned all that stuff But you know someone that still has quite a bit of upside some club control, and then Blake Snell, who was quietly one of the better starting pitchers in the National League last year. So I'm going to go 35 on this. Yeah, I think so. I think if you took Snell out, then it's a decently, it's a pretty aggressive trade offer for Trent Grisham, but when you put Snell back in, then it just tips the scales way too far in the Mariners direction.

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Let's get back into these trades. Next one comes from Jace. It's another deal with the Padres. This time the Mariners get Hassan Kim, who's the other player, Dennis Lynn, mentioned as possibly being out on the market or at least being available from the Padres for Chris Flexen again and Taylor Tremel.

Colby, what do you think? No. it's just it's not going to happen no now you're not getting hostile on Kim for that uh Kim was a five win player last year uh and that was with him not really yeah that's be war that's be war okay yeah that's with him not really being all that of a much of a threat at the plate either he only slash 252 3253 383 talking about a very versatile player who is probably about an average bat can steal some bags, he's got some pop, and he's only, you know, he's in his mid-20s.

And I believe he has, he is controlled through 2025. So you're just not going to get them for your leftovers, essentially. And, you know, no disrespect to Chris Flex and or Taylor Tremel, but that's what they are to the Mariners right now. They're leftovers. So packaging them together is really not going to get you much. And what does Taylor Tremel do for the, do for the Padres? nothing. He's just there. So, no, you're the, the Kim, if you want Hassan Kim, first of all,

you know, where are you going to play him? Um, but second of all, like, you got to, you got to pay up. Like, I don't think you're getting Hassan Kim without, you know, probably Bryce Miller and maybe even here, probably Harry Ford if we're being honest. And to me, I'm, I'm out on Hassan Kim at that price. So I just don't see a deal that gets done where both sides are happy, um, and where it makes sense for both sides. So I'm just kind of out on Kim in general, but this this trade offer certainly won't get it done either. Yeah. Kim was a pretty valuable player last year. 3.7 F-4-5 B-war, according to Colby there. And again, has quite a few years of club control. This just misses the mark entirely for me. Should I do it? Should I do it? I'll go 25. I'm not going to

going to be that harsh on you, but it's, it's like, it's a non-starter. It's like you go to the potteries with that. They're not even going to talk to you. I'll give it a 30 only because AJ Preller is so stupid. I can't say that it absolutely would never happen because he is good, good counterpoint. Yeah. I don't think there's such thing as a 20 gray trade when you're talking about AJ Preller. That dude is bad at his job and he's stupid. So it's it's you never know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good, Good point. Fair point. All right. Next trade comes from Aiden.

This is, Aiden says this is one of his bigger deals. And you know what? It's true. It's true. It really is. It's a deal with the Rockies. Five-player deal.

Rockies received Taylor Tremel, Chris Flex. Wow, you guys love packaging those two together. And Perlander Baroa for Brent Souter, left-handed reliever. And one of my most favorite names in all of minor league baseball right now, warming Burnabelle, who's a 20-year-old

third baseman who's currently, I think he last played in the DSL. And he's one of the Rockies top prospects at the moment.

So what do you think about Bernabel and Souter for the package of Baroa, Flexin, and Tremel? I'm not interested.

I know Tremel and Flexen right now are extras, but they are major league extras. And, oh, by the way, you don't have a replacement for Chris Flexen right now. Like, I suppose, you know, Marco's probably next in line, but do you really want Marco or Flexen starting for you? No. And so I don't, I don't want a prospect if I'm trading, you know, flexen and Tremel and a pretty good prospect myself. I don't want prospects. I want a major league or somebody who can

help me. Prince Souter, no, I don't care about him. Yeah, I just a Real quick on Brent Suter. Obviously, he is a lefty and everyone wants a lefty in their bullpen, right? Everyone wants a lefty in the mayor's bullpen right now. Everybody's stupid. There I said it. I wouldn't go that harshly. Also, it's the new year.

I'm trying to be nice. You know, new year, new me. I know you love it. Are you kidding? It's the last day. It's last show of the old year. This is the time to let it all out. No turning back.

No turning back. But yeah, no, the mariners don't necessarily need a lefty in their bullpen. They just need guys that can get lefties out. Anyway, that's a whole other conversation. But Brent Souter, 66 and two-thirds endings pitch for the Brewers last year. 716, Ks per 9, 297 walks per 9, 378 ERA, 372 XERA, 4-4. FIP. He was worth negative 0.2.4.

He's whatever. Did he sign a deal with? He signed a deal with the shirt. Or did he get traded to the Rockies? Whatever. I don't remember a trade. By the way, if he did sign, this is just a good piece of knowledge to have. You can't trade a free agent that you signed until June 15th.

That's the release you can trade them. So if they did sign suitor, then they can't trade him anyways. But he was claimed off waivers. Okay. So you can trade him. but to me, no, he does nothing for me. I actually like, I mean, who doesn't like a guy whose first name is warming. He's an interesting prospect.

He really is, but flexen really helps me now or he can't help me now. Tremel is just as interesting. So to me, it falls apart. I am not interested in this deal. Pallander Burrough is a pretty interesting prospect who can help me too. Like the Mariners could be trading three guys who could help them this year for a guy who's at least two years away, probably three. He's just finished high A ball. He's a good prospect.

I'm not trading three potential, you know, uh, help helpful pieces for a prospect who is as far away as this guy is and a lefty reliever who's not very good. So I'm, I'm out. Yeah. Yeah. I'm super out. Uh, is this the lot?

No. No. No, it's not the one. It's not the one. That's not the one. 30. 35. All right.

Next deal comes from Justice Sheffield, Burner. And wow, it's another Rocky Strait. I didn't realize that we doubled all of these up together. That was unintentional. But yeah, two Orioles trades,

two Padres trades, now two Rocky's trades. This one, you personally asked me to put in here. It features Jonathan Daza, the outfielder, from Colorado for a favorite prospect of yours, Colby, Juan Pinto. So again, you asked me to put this one in here.

So what are your thoughts on it? 20 grade. Don't trade Juan Pinto for anything. No, Daz is an interesting guy because he's going to hit for average. He's going to hit 270, 280, maybe even 300. He's a pretty good defender. He's fast. You know, he's at least average.

and passable in center field, let's say, he's probably plus in the corners. Like, it's passable average. It's whatever, whatever phrase you want to use. He's good enough in the outfield. He likes he gets plenty of hits. Unfortunately, he has no power. I don't mean like, oh, you know, he's only going to hit like 10 home run. No, no.

This guy looks up to J.P. Crawford and hopes to hit as many home runs as J.P. Crawford does one day. Like, he has no power whatsoever. All right, real quick here. Like I get that he doesn't have any power, but he's slashed 301, 349, 384. How was he a 93 WRC plus guy? Colorado guys or WRC plus is usually pretty low. They get dinged 3.2 offensive rating from fan graphs. That's so weird.

That's such a weird slash line to WRC plus. And yeah, that's weird. Right. Anyway, continue. You got to have some punch in there, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know that fangraphs will inflate WRC plus when somebody has an unusually high on base percentage, regardless of what their other stats are. Dylan Moore, Jesse Winker.

So, yeah, it's not the perfect stat. Nobody says WRC plus is, but it's a good one. I just, how much do you care about power? Because you're not getting any with those, like zero. The bat is very similar, though, to tie France, minus the power, right? Like he uses the whole field. You know, he's not ever going to be highly rated on the hard hit scale and he's not going to have these great barrel percentages. He just finds holes.

And Daza has the unique ability to put the bat on the ball. And also he can leg out, you know, infield singles, which is not something Thai Francis is ever going to do. So he's an interesting guy. He's not perfect because, again, the power is not really there. He's, you know, I think he's 29 now. I like Juan Pinto quite a bit. I really, he's a tall lefty. He's like 18 years old.

He's already up to 92. Big Barry Zito curveball. 6'4. He's going to put on more, you know, good weight. Like I, I'm kind of really invested in Juan Pinto. I really want to see. He's the guy, he's the type of guy that the Mariners should be signing every year in the international

class. And they typically do, which is why I'm not opposed to trading Juan Pinto in the right deal. I just don't know if this is it. These are two really, this is a very interesting prospect for a really unique bat in Major League Baseball today. And it's kind of tough to say which way I go on this because I can see the merit of Daza and I see the fit. But got that, that lack of power, like is, is. Yeah, I mean the lack of power, but you look at the averages and the on base percentage is the last two years and he's played quite a bit of games.

Like he's played 107 last year and 113 this year. 282, 332, 355 in 2021, and then 301, 349, 384 this year. Imagine if he wasn't running 6% walk rates. Yeah. Then he'd be 380. If he was running a 8, 9, 10% walk rate, you'd be at, you know, 280, 380, 400, probably. He's such a weird player. This is such a weird.

This is such a good. Like I said, good outfield defense, at least passable in center field, good in the corners. very fast but doesn't steal bases. Like it's very strong arm too. He's a good athlete. But like you gotta have some power, man. Like, especially if you're not gonna steal bags.

So. Yeah. Yeah, just just a weird player. Yeah, it's really weird. He also didn't grade out though, grade out that well as a bass runner, at least by Fangraph's standards. He was about average.

He was hovering around average. So that's, Huh. He's an interesting guy. I'll... Just because you've kind of stumped me here, I'll give you a 55. Because that's just interesting.

Jonathan Daz is really interesting. This is an interesting situation. And honestly, yeah, if they traded Juan Pinto for him, that it makes sense. I'd be like, okay. I wonder if Juan Pinto has any autographed baseball cards I can buy. I'll say 50.

50. All right, all right. We got through two more trades to go Put up the wrong trade there on the screen All right, this one Currently can the winner meeting start already is the name of this person Or at Ham Swaggerty 69 Nice

Chicago Chicago receives This one's unhinged I mean this trade definitely comes from someone named ham swaggerty 69 Sure Ty France Jerry Kellnick Chris Flexen

and Emerson Hancock for Luis Robert and Lucas Gialito with the White Sox This thing is all over the place This is why I picked this This is why I put this on here Because this is just all over the place

So What do you make of this? A non-starter for the White Sox They're not trading Luis Robert You know He is only 25 years old. He's signed through the

2027 season with a couple, well, he signed through the 2025 season, but with two very team friendly options. And he's a plus center fielder defensively. The bat is coming to life. He was amazing in 2021.

Kind of took a step back this last year. There are some injury concerns here. He's missed, you know, large chunks of the last two seasons, but they're not trading him. And as for, you know, I know that you're not suggesting they get him for free, but I mean, what is they going to do with Ty France? Probably play them in left field because they're the White Sox and that's what they do. But they have like nine first basemen.

Like they don't need Ty France. Luis Robert is easily their best, you know, offensive player. He's the best defensive player. Like he's a very good player. So you're not getting him for this. You know, Gialito is another guy that we've talked about who's pretty interesting. I think there are some pieces in this trade that you could flip for Gialito. But the White Sox are weird.

I don't know what they're doing. But one thing I do know is that they are not trading Luis Robert. Not for this. So no. This trade would be a lot more interesting if it was like Eloy Jimenez. But you picked Robert. So no. It's incredibly unhinged, but it also makes no sense.

so 30 the fact that it was unhinged saved it from a 25 so you get a 30 it is it is creative it's something we haven't heard or seen much of so I'll give it a 40 for the boldness but like wow that's a

that's a very generous generous bump I like I like the bold even if it is unhinged with a terrible at but whatever So yeah, you know what, 35. 35. 35. Well, I would it'll be down.

It's because of his love of Sam Haggrey, who's not that good guys. Oh, here he goes. Here he goes. Oh, yeah, yeah, that reminds me. That reminds me. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you. Thank you for reminding me. So down below in the comments, if you're watching on YouTube,

let us know who you think Colby's Dylan Moore in 20203 is going to be. Who is he going to hate the most on the Mariners? Let us know down in the comments. down in the comments. All right, let's get Swaggerty. Certainly a candidate too, so. Yeah, if you listen to our podcast, our Patreon show the other day, I forget, was it yesterday's show?

Maybe it was Tuesday's show. Tuesday's show, yeah, Tuesday's show. Yeah, Colby's started this heel turn, whatever. All right. Just looking at stats, maybe. Just looking at stats. We'll get into this next week.

Mariners, this one comes from Skydray. This was a very late submission. This one just got in there right before the buzzer actually and it caught my attention. So Mariners get left-handed reliever Gregory Soto who according to this tweet has three years

left of club control. I'll have to double check that. Tigers get Penn Murphy, Brian Wu and your boy, Juan Pinto. So 20. Of course. You can't trade Juan Pinto and Brian Wu in the same

trade and expect me to be happy about it. Also, Gregor Isoto, not that good. Now, he certainly, you know, he, he's a two-time All-Star. He's a career 5.3 based on ball per nine, and he's only striking out nine guys per nine. He's not that good. Like, no, he's overrated. His fifths, you know, 414 this last year, 359. That's fine. I'm not giving up two top 10 prospects and a pretty solid middle reliever for Gregory Soto. No, he's not that good. He's overrated. I'm out.

Yeah, no, I actually agree with that. He's very much overrated. This is just too much for me. And this is probably what the tigers are going to ask for. They're probably going to ask for even more than this, actually, if we're being honest. And I'm just, I'm super out. Like, he's,

dude, like you mentioned, the walks are insane. The amount of walk. The fact that this guy has been an all-star is nuts to me. Like he really speaks more to the tie, how bad the tigers have been. Right. But also like,

really you made this guy an all-star and Miggie, but you left out Tariq Scoobel. Really? Yeah. So, so strange. So, that makes sense.

By the way, if you're hoping for like a left-handed element, he's a lefty, can get lefties out. No, he's better against Rides than he is lefties. He's not that good. He's not that good.

So, no, this is, you can have Penn Murphy for him and that's it. I wouldn't trade Brian Wu for Gregory Soto straight up or Juan Pinto. I'm out. No. Not very good.

Yeah. He walks five guys per nine. Yeah. Five. And it's not even like he's running like a 14K per nine number either. That is nuts. That is wild. He's not good.

Okay. I sure phrase that. He's fine. But you're paying high leverage reliever prices for a guy in the Mariners bullpen, even as, you know, questionable as it is right now, would be like their fourth best option or fifth best option. I think the, I think a very fair statement here would, it would be to say that he has really good to even great stuff,

but he just can't find the strike zone. He's one of those guys, right? And he really can't find the strike zone. It's so severe that it's like, he's almost like, like he's not unusable, but God, you don't feel comfortable whenever he's out there. Not close time. Like he's running block rates like that. Like he definitely should not be a like the, like he's a high

leverage arm in Detroit, he should not be a high leverage arm in a good bullpen with the way that he's walking guys. You ready for this one, Ty? Sure. Diego Castillo is better, period. End of story. He's better. He strikes out the same number of guys, walks two fewer per nine, lower whip, you know, better. You know, better. Would you give up three, would you give up, you know, three top ten prospects for Diego Castillo? Two top ten prospects and, and, and, you know, you know, an interesting middle reliever for Diego Castillo. But Colby, he's a lefty. He's a lefty.

He throws a lefty on the wolf in. And I feel like we're piling on this guy. And that's not fair because it's- no, no, we're not piling on Skydra. It's totally legitimate to ask about Gregory Soto. In fact, we haven't talked about it. So it's a good idea. But like, no, no.

We're more appalled just by the overall hype around Gregory-Soto rather than you recommending the trade to make it very clear to the skydra. Yeah. So, But yeah, I wouldn't trade all of this for Soto. He's just, like you said, he's just not that good. Be honest, I. Would you trade Penn Murphy straight up for Gregory Soto? See, the fact that you have to, I probably would.

Yeah, yeah, no, I would. I think the smart answer here is yes. Right, you're running upside at that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the fact that you stopped and thought about it says everything we need to know. But Penn Murphy was better than Gregory Soto. And Penn Murphy's a dime a dozen. Like Penn Murphy, they could DFA him tomorrow and you and I would be like,

that's kind of weird. Oh, well. Yeah. That would be our reaction. He's just a middle of a lever. Okay. So yeah, Gregory Soto is way too over high.

The fact that that man has two all-star nods shows you how ridiculous all-star. But he has two? Yeah. I thought he only had the one. What? Back to back years. He's been an all-star. That's insane.

I think it was Detroit's only rep in 2021. And then this last year, They picked him over Tariq Scoobal. Wow. What are we doing? I'm speechless. I'm speechless. Yeah, Gregory Soto is is overrated.

That's wild. Yeah, yeah, he's massively overrated. Those numbers are terrible. So I guess if the Mariners acquired Gregory Soto, the question you asked a couple minutes ago is moot because the answer is going to be Gregory Soto. It's not very good. He's just not very good. 35 because you created a great. discussion here.

Right. And I think based on reputation, like your trade package is fine. But when you look at the numbers. You know what, 40. 40, because I really enjoyed this discussion. But when you look at the numbers, like, no, God, no, he's not worth that. But like, just the hype that's around Soto, here people all the time.

Soto's a high leverage reliever. No, he's not. I'll say this, at least. The Mera's fan base would probably actually be excited about it. They'd be like, oh, Gregor's a hell yeah. If Gregory Soto, is a high leverage reliever. Matt Festa is Edwin freaking Diaz.

Like, careful, careful, pal. Just stop. Gregory Soto's a bum. There I said it. Now,

Q Monday, they trade for Gregory Soto and we hop on the mics in emergency. Gregory Soto is one of the greatest. He's a two-time all-star. What do you want? So,

yeah. But no, he's not very good. So I'll say 40. I'll say 40. Yeah. because this was a fun discussion. It did allow us to talk about a player

we haven't talked about. Sure. And, you know, kind of, you know, reveal to the world our feelings on Gregory. Our deep, dark thoughts on Gregory Soto. They're not good. They're not good. So,

your trade proposals were on hinge. And the show was ultimately unhinged. And you know what? I think that was a great way to end the year. To be honest. I think this was a great representation of just how this year went for us and just you know what we're about and you know I want to I want to take a moment here to you know real quick thank everyone that has supported us this year this was our first year on

YouTube our first full year running locked on Mariners it's been great seeing the growth and everything and getting to experience this amazing historic season that the Mariners went on with you guys and share that and help tell that story to you guys. It's been a lot of fun. Colby, you have any final thoughts before we hop off? I just want to say to my co-host, thank you for doing a pretty good job of knowing when to shut up and letting me handle the important things. The start. I mean, I'm just trying to let the start of the show shine. Right. You know, you're the alley-oop guy. I'm the guy who throws it down. Like that's, that's really, that's really what is. You're amazing. You're all fired. There you go.

Yeah, he's the guy. I don't want to call him Kyrie, but like I'm LeBron. He's the point card. I don't call me, basically. No, I wouldn't dare. So yeah, no, it's been a lot of fun. Some, you know, new exciting things are going to be happening in 20203 that we know of.

And probably a couple of surprises even to us are going to come at some point in 2020. But I'm excited to see how far we can take the podcast and the YouTube channel and the growth this year has been really exciting. So hopefully we can can continue that in 2020. and, you know, maybe catch locked on Astros. There are nemesis. Let's catch them. All right, guys. Thank you again so, so much.

And again, let us know down below, who do you think? Colby is going to hate most on the Mariners in 2023. You can also pick Dillamore again. He's not off the table here. You can just pick Dillamore again. But something tells me that maybe Colby will lighten up a little bit on Dillamore and set his sights on someone else. So we'll see.

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