Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Fan Fiction Friday: Anthony Santander, Josh Lowe, Ha-seong Kim, and More Mariners Trade Ideas

Episode Date: November 17, 2023

Colby and Ty bring back an offseason classic, Fan Fiction Friday, and grade some Mariners trade ideas from listeners, including deals for Anthony Santander, Josh Lowe, Ha-seong Kim, and more.Follow th...e show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!Jase MedicalGet $20 off these lifesaving antibiotics with Jase Medical by using code LOCKEDON at checkout on jasemedical.com.FanDuelScore early this NFL season with FanDuel, America’s Number One Sportsbook! Right now, NEW customers get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in BONUS BETS with any winning FIVE DOLLAR MONEYLINE BET! That’s A HUNDRED AND FIFTY BUCKS – if your team wins! Visit FanDuel.com/LOCKEDON to get started.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:01:32 or it's been a while and you need a refresh. sure. It's, it's very simple. We ask you for Mariners trades and we grade them using the 2080 scouting scale, 20 being the worst, 80 being the best, of course, and we grade them on a multitude of factors like creativity, viability, and so on. I also told you guys on Twitter last night, well, last night for me, we're recording this on Thursday ahead of time, that you'll get bonus points for the more unhinged ideas. So I'm I'm hoping we have some pretty unhinged stuff in here as well. I feel like you might have said that on the Patreon show, but, okay. It was on my personal Twitter account, which most of you sent the trades to me directly, not to the actual tweet on the lockdown account, asking for the trades. So I had to dig through two tweets for these trades. You know why I like this particular episode of Fan Fiction Friday?
Starting point is 00:02:31 because yesterday's episode, we released our offseason plan. I know plenty of people will sit there and be like, these guys are idiots. They don't know the trade value of anybody. Here you go. Right. The tables are turned.
Starting point is 00:02:45 Now it's your turn to step up to the plate. So let's see what you got. Let's start here with Switch. Switch has a deal with the Orioles, Anthony Santander, Matt Horvath, and Justin Armbruster for Bryce Miller. first of all, I don't believe those prospects are real people.
Starting point is 00:03:05 Second of all, zero out of 10, 20 grade. Like, I mean, it's not very good. Santander is, you're starting out with a bank. Santander is a one year stopgap option. Again, remember guys, when you send us trades, we will not entertain your idea of, well, you could just extend him. Nope, doesn't work that way. You're sending us this, whatever his club control is,
Starting point is 00:03:31 that's how we're grading these trades. One year of Santander is not worth Bryce Miller, not even close. Santander is not even that good. A little bit overrated. He really is. So why am I trading Bryce Miller who can help me for the next six years and probably give me the same war that Santander can in 2024 for a couple of prospects? That's the difference?
Starting point is 00:03:51 Nope. Sorry. Try again. Not even a Colton Couser, not even a Connor Norby. Colby or Kobe Mayo. Is it Colby Mayo? Kobe. It's Kobe.
Starting point is 00:04:01 It's Kobe. Kobe, yeah. So like, nope, sorry. Which is better than Colby. Am I right, folks? I mean, Kobe Bryant is better than Colby Bryant. I'll say that. Sure.
Starting point is 00:04:17 But, no, it's a 25. I'll give it a 25. Just because you came up with a couple names that I'd never heard of. But, uh, you haven't heard of Matt Corvath? No, I have. but like okay all right no i have but like no i'm not that doesn't sway me at all for me essentially what you sent me is santan d'air for bryce miller no it's only 25 instead of a 20
Starting point is 00:04:46 because you hit through in the prospects yeah um i like these players but for six years of bryce miller who's r a flash middle of the rotation stuff and really would just like a good fastball really good fastball but like there's so much more room for him, so much more room for him to grow. And he's one of, I said this during the Randy Orozarena segment of our offseason plan show. Like, he is one of very few players who are feasibly available this off season, who represent the most valuable commodity in all of baseball, which is controllable starting pitching. I like Matt Corvath.
Starting point is 00:05:36 I don't know much about Armbruster, but from what I've seen, like solid prospect. And I like Anthony Santander, he would help. But that's just not proper value for me, for, for Bryce Miller.
Starting point is 00:05:52 That's, that's not, like, it's going to, it will have to take something legit. And I'm talking about a controllable major league player who has at least a couple of
Starting point is 00:06:04 seasons of like three to four win production for me to go you know what i'm going to subtract from my greatest strength on my roster trade bryce miller right don't forget you have to replace bryce miller and you might need another pitcher anyways even if you don't trade miller or woo so right yeah if you're not getting one back that can help you it's just not worth it if santa there had like three years left we could maybe have a conversation but he's only got one and that just kind of kills the whole thing right there yeah there are definitely worse trades than this And I'm going to try to... Fine. I'll give it a 30.
Starting point is 00:06:37 I'm going to be... Because you're right. We have seen a lot worse. Yeah. And I'm going to try to be more generous with my scoring this time around. I'll go 30. I'll go 30. Tye's already trying to paint me as the bad guy of this season.
Starting point is 00:06:50 Right. Okay. I mean, always. Always. Sure. All right. Next one comes from Jaden. It's a deal with a raise.
Starting point is 00:06:58 It's another Bryce Miller trade. Bryce Miller and the vanilla missile, Walter Ford, which that looks kind of familiar to the race for Josh Lowe and Austin Shetton. So it's not a Randy or Rosarana deal. It's not a Harold Ramirez deal.
Starting point is 00:07:14 It's a Josh Lowe deal. And we've kind of talked about Josh Lowe, more so in passing. I think this is fine. You probably need something better than Walter Ford. But overall, I think it's fine. I don't know if you do.
Starting point is 00:07:30 I mean, that's kind of one of those personal preferences. like do the rays think they can get more out of Ford? But I also think that the raise probably view low as a more valuable piece than Miller. So you might actually have to tack on to make up the difference there. But yeah, I mean, look, if you're going to trade Miller for a, let's say, less than proven major leaguer, it's got to be somebody like Josh Lowe who at least has one full season. Well, it's closer a little bit, a season and a half. the big leagues of, you know, relatively good production.
Starting point is 00:08:05 It's a 118 WRC plus career guy, 273, 323, 457. You know, he belongs in a corner, but he did just come off of a three and a half win season, almost a four win season. So, yeah, I think if you're, you know, going to trade Miller and it's not going to be for an established, like, all-star level big leaguer, then low is a good guy to, to target. I don't know if you can actually get low. I think the raise would just be like, no, we'll keep low, because.
Starting point is 00:08:32 we want to use him to replace a Rosarena or Ramirez or Margoe like whoever they end up trading. But yeah, overall, this is a good thought process. And it's a deal that if I saw come across the ticker, I'd be like, okay, I get it. I get it. I'd ask what their plan was for, you know, the starting rotation. But I think this would be a pretty solid deal. So I'll give it a good, plus it has Austin Shinton in it. So I feel like I have to give it at least a 50.
Starting point is 00:09:00 So I'll go 55. it's pretty solid. Yeah, I'm going to go 55 as well, even maybe push a 60, so call it 58. Because I really think it's like one piece from the Mariners away or a significant upgrade from Ford maybe to like Tai Pete, which I know is expensive, but that might be what it takes. It might be, yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:31 So, yeah, the only thing keeping me from going, like, higher than a 55 and that's like my max on this. I just don't think the raise would do it. But also I don't know. Like I'm totally guessing. So yeah, this is this is one of the better ones we've seen on, on fan fiction Friday.
Starting point is 00:09:47 Yeah. Yeah, just in general. Ever since we started the series, we haven't done this. I don't like we did this once throughout the year, did we? I don't like we did this during the trade deadline. I don't remember doing an episode since last winter. So let us know if you guys remember.
Starting point is 00:10:00 But this is one of the better ones. We do a lot of these episodes, folks. We lose track. It's very easy for us to lose track. Plus, on top of that, we're also doing, you know, CTZ twice a week. It's at least 200 episodes a year, probably closer to 250. So we do a lot. So they all kind of run together.
Starting point is 00:10:18 Yeah, these microphones put on a lot of work. Yeah. This is one of the better ones, though. So good job. All right. Yeah, good job, Taden. All right. So we got a few more trades to go over here on fan fiction Friday.
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Starting point is 00:12:40 Fan Fiction Friday. Got a proposal here from Mudcat Grant. Ha-Song Kim, the Padres middle infielder for Prolander Barroa, Emerson Hancock, Jonathan Clase, and Cade Marlowe. There's a lot of bulk from the Mariners, and I don't think there's a great, headliner here for Kim. I know it's only one year of Kim, but Kim's a really,
Starting point is 00:13:07 really good player. I think the Padres, I know they're kind of in a weird spot right now. Looks like they're probably going to look to shed some payroll this off season. I don't know if they would prefer bulk in this situation. I don't know if the bulk here that you're offering is good enough. I think it just needs to be a bit more simplified with a bigger headliner here. Um, so it's, it's a solid idea.
Starting point is 00:13:36 I'll go 40. Colby. It's a 35 for me. There's a lot of like fringe major leaguers in the offer. Um, and Kim was a, you know, almost a five one player, uh, last year. Uh, quick side note, uh, Julio finishes fourth in the American League, most valuable player race. You guys know this yesterday, uh, but we're recording it on Thursday.
Starting point is 00:13:59 So we're just figuring this out. Uh, J.P. Crawford finish is tied for 16th, Cal Raleigh tied for 18th. So there you go. But yeah, the trade is, it's a lot of bulk. And when you're trading for a high quality player, typically bulk does not get it done.
Starting point is 00:14:14 It does on occasion. There are some teams who deal, who like to deal in bulk, Oakland being one, Cleveland occasionally, uh, likes to deal in bulk. But yeah,
Starting point is 00:14:23 this is Baroa. Okay, solid reliever, uh, probably decent chance he's a high leverage reliever. Hancock number five starter Jonathan Clossay may not be a big leaguer Cade Marlowe fourth outfielder at best like that's not a package that you typically want to give up and and or that you typically want to take for one of your better players and Kim is uh Kim's you know not costing the Padres a ton of money so there's no reason to salary dump him which is what this deal kind of looks like to me so I'd give it a 35 it's it's you know I like the the Kim idea um but I don't think you're getting him for Hancock, Class A, Marlowe, maybe if you swap Marlowe for Kelnick, you know, maybe
Starting point is 00:15:07 you have a shot there, but, you know, that point is worth it for Seattle. So Kim's a tough one, but yeah, this is too much bulk for me. You need more impact or the Padres are going to look for more impact. But, you know, as we always say, maybe the Padres love Emerson Hancock. Maybe, maybe, you know, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. We always say that, you know, that we always have to take that into account. But, you know, from our perspective and with the knowledge that we have, which is very little, I just, I don't see it personally. All right.
Starting point is 00:15:40 Seattle John has a deal here with the Reds. And this is one of the, uh, the unhinged deals, I think. Uh, but it actually, I don't know. It's interesting. Logan Gilbert, Kate Marlowe and Perlonder Baroa to the Reds for T. T.J. Friedel, Spencer Steer, and Alexis Diaz. So, Colby, you and I have talked about Bryce Miller, Brian Wu, being able to get you one of these guys,
Starting point is 00:16:06 like a Friedel or a steer or someone like that. But instead trading Gilbert and getting two of those guys and a high leverage arm in Alexis Diaz, what do you think about that? Because I mean, like, Marlowe and Borough, whatever. It's really like what I'm focused on here is Gilbert. So what do you think about that? It's five years of Friedel.
Starting point is 00:16:27 five years of steer and I think four years of Diaz maybe three years of Diaz I'll look that up that's a lot to give up even for somebody as good as Logan Gilbert and like Marlowe is a throw in like he's not going to be a starter for the Reds so doesn't carry a ton of value for for them and baroa is like you know we already have Diaz if we don't do this deal and Diaz is just a better version of Baroa so yeah it's four years of Diaz yeah like this is a lot to give up and so I don't think that Marlowe is going to carry this for you
Starting point is 00:17:03 or Baroa so I think for any like semblance of realism here it'd have to be like Gilbert and Kellnick and well probably Gilbert and Kelnick for like Friedel and Steer is in the ballpark but I don't know if I don't want to trade Gilbert if the prize is T.J. Friedel
Starting point is 00:17:21 who I like but not a huge impact guy so well and if you're the Reds right Dylan C's isn't as good as Logan Gilbert in my opinion. But why would you trade all these major league pieces for Gilbert when you could just trade prospects, in theory, to the White Sox to a team that's more open to acquiring prospects, whereas the mayors want major league talent back?
Starting point is 00:17:45 Yeah. And why wouldn't you just do that at that point? Instead of giving up three major league contributors, I know that they really need pitching. And Logan Gilbert is obviously one of the best starting pitchers in baseball, but I just I don't see this making a ton of sense from the Reds point of view. It's really interesting and it is creative. So you get points for that,
Starting point is 00:18:06 but I just, I don't see it from the Reds point of view. So I'll give you 42 to a 45 somewhere in there because it is creative, because you are going out on a limb there. But yeah, I just, I don't see this even getting off the ground really. No,
Starting point is 00:18:23 you're the Red. You'd rather trade. noelvi martay and you know incarnacion strand for dill and c's then uh bridle and and steer and diaz so uh yeah it's like a 35 40 for me somewhere in that range yeah yeah all right so next one comes from matt all right this is one of the really unhinged ones so prepare yourself folks it's a three team deal with the orioles and the royals the mariners get Bobby Witt Jr. and Anthony Sontan Dere. The Orioles get Logan Gilbert and Gabe Spire.
Starting point is 00:19:01 And the Royals get Jackson Holiday, Gabby Gonzalez, and Heston Kirstad. And Matt adds, unhinged enough, Ty? It's unhinged. It's very unhinged. This is what happens when you invite crazy into your house. Right. Let's just very seriously make this abundantly clear. The Royals aren't trading Bobby Wood Jr. under any circumstance.
Starting point is 00:19:25 None. Zero. I don't, I don't think this was a trade meant to be taken too seriously. No chance. He is there, Julio. Right. So, yeah, dead on arrival. But certainly unhinged. I'll give you credit for that.
Starting point is 00:19:39 But that's pretty much the only thing worth talking about in this deal. Like, I do like that the Mariners only have to give up Gilbert, essentially. And they get Bobby Wood Jr. and Anthony Sonton there. I like that part. I like that part. Yeah. Sign me up for that. But this ain't, you know, MLB the show.
Starting point is 00:19:56 I wonder if you could do this trade. Well, you can't do three team trades in MLB the show. Which is stupid. So dumb. But I wonder if you tried to trade Logan Gilbert for Bobby Wood Jr. What they would say. Probably no, would be my guess. But, yeah, unhinged.
Starting point is 00:20:12 So on the unhinged scale, it's definitely like a 70, but, you know, on like any normal scale, this is like a 25 or a 30 because there's just no realism to it whatsoever. Yeah. on a practicality scale 20 unhinged scale yeah i'll go with the 70 uh maybe even a 75 on that that's yeah that's ridiculous that's absolutely correct um yeah i'm not going to dignify that with a real score i'll just say that but i appreciate you uh you coming through with the the next several are unhinged too so tie you brought this on yourself right you think this is going to stop me from doing this segment you're wrong so right right right right
Starting point is 00:20:51 Neil here says unhinged time. Cal Raleigh for Alejandro Kirk and Vladdy Carrero Jr. Tice turn this into a side show when I'm trying to give you guys like actual like information. So right. I gave you, I gave you a few serious ones. I give you a few serious ones. 20 next.
Starting point is 00:21:14 I see the vision with us. I do see the vision. But I don't. Vlad's regressed over the last couple of years. Kirk regress this year No, I'm not trading one of the best catchers in baseball for this I'm sorry Like Vlad
Starting point is 00:21:29 It would be cool if the mayor's got Vlad But there's some issues there's some concerning signs there And yeah Kirk's a good defender But yeah I mean so is Cal In a real serious Note here
Starting point is 00:21:45 I don't want Vladimir Guerrero Jr. The cost I assume it's going to take to acquire right or no thanks right i'm out you're telling me again for tie france and and jonathan clausay fine okay i'm in but like you're telling me like bryce miller no i wouldn't trade bryce miller for two years of lad nope no all right next uh trade here for all right you're stacking all the unhinged ones in a row here is that the plan yeah there's a more normal one to end things so so yeah uh you're listening to the lockdown there's podcast, by the way. Thank you again for making us your first
Starting point is 00:22:20 listen here on Fan Fiction Friday. We're having a lot of fun. Peter says, this is as unhinged as I can get. Bring on the 20 grade. It's another three-team deal. This one's with the Cubs and the Reds. The Mariners get Noel V. Marte. Adbert Alzillet, who's a reliever from the Cubs, for those that don't know. Matt Mervis,
Starting point is 00:22:40 who's a first base, actually, I think he graduated Prospect status this year, but a young first spaceman who really struggled this year. and former mariner Stuart Fairchild for some reason Cubs get A Eugenio Suarez Alexis Diaz
Starting point is 00:22:55 Jonathan India Emerson Hancock and the Reds get Bryce Miller Christopher Morel Prolander Baroa and Hayden Wes Neske This is a great deal for the Reds Are you sure you're not a Reds fan Peter? Yeah I'm trying to figure out how the Mariners
Starting point is 00:23:09 gave up the most and got the leased back Yeah Because like the Mariners gave up A Eugenio Suarez is Emerson Hancock, Bryce Miller, and Peralonda, Barroa for Unproven Noel V. Marte. Yep. Matt Mervis, whatever. Stuart Fairchild's a DFA candidate the minute you acquire him.
Starting point is 00:23:30 And a reliever who's probably not going to be better than Baroa this year. Like, why are the Mariners giving up everything and getting nothing in return? I don't, you think Noelvi Marte is Manny Machado, like Prime Manny Machado? You're willing to stake your entire job on it? because that's what this trade is. Interesting note, though, I have heard that the Cubs have been, you know, sniffing around Gino a little bit. So, uh, maybe.
Starting point is 00:23:58 But, uh, again, no, just no. I will take one Ian Hap. Thank you. Yeah, straight up for, for Gino. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I would do that. And then I'll figure out what to do it. I guess Josh Rojas is my third baseman.
Starting point is 00:24:12 Um, I'll live with that. But now I have to go get a second basement. But, uh, yeah you hit the nail on the head here Peter 20 grade like the most valuable the most valuable person in this deal is Bryce Miller bar nut yep and the Mariners get
Starting point is 00:24:32 oh I don't know the fourth most valuable piece in this deal yeah the Mariners they don't even make up the back end yeah the Mariners should be getting Christopher Morel for sure at the very least yeah it should be Nohobie Marte and Morel if you're giving a geno like no no this breaks the scale peter uh negative 20 you ask for the 20 you get negative 20 all right this is what happens tie yep
Starting point is 00:25:01 this is your punishment for making me do this uh marley corn keep making you do it last uh last trade of the day here this is this is from marley corn we have one oh did i forget to put the other one on here whoops you're gonna you're You're going to have to read that one out. You're going to have to read that one out. Okay. All right. Marley Corrin has Emerson Hancock for Von Grissom.
Starting point is 00:25:29 Why would the Braves want Emerson Hancock? That's really my initial thought here. I also don't think that it's fair valuation Hancock for Grissom. I know Grissom's been disappointing and he's just kind of overrated in general in terms of the trade discourse on Twitter, in my opinion. But I don't think Hancock is like enough for. for Grissom and I also don't really see what his value to the Braves is at this time. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:57 35. Yeah. Again, like Hancock is a number five starter, right? And the Braves are a team that if they want a number five starter in the rotation, which they probably don't, they're just going to go pay $7 million for a guy and keep Grissom. And it sounds like the plan for Grissom is to play him in left field a lot this upcoming year. So it doesn't sound like that's a guy they're giving up on. So yeah, there's just not a lot of value here.
Starting point is 00:26:28 You know, just Hancock to me is the tertiary piece and a bigger deal. Or he's a guy that you're trading for like a year of a solid middle reliever. Like I really don't value. I really don't think Hancock is valued that high in trade talks. I'd love to be wrong, but he's just not. Coming off the injury that he is, though, and the injury history that he's had in his professional career, I just, yeah. Second time a shoulder has shut them down for the year or at least a good chunk of it. So yeah, there's just not a lot of value in Hancock.
Starting point is 00:26:59 And I don't think Grissom is or the Braves or a team that would take a shot on Hancock. Be honest, did you pick Hancock because he pitched at Georgia? Is that the reason? Because like the Braves don't care about that. And frankly, the Mariners don't either. So if Hancock's getting moved, he's getting moved to like Cleveland for Eli Morgan or something like that. But he's not getting moved
Starting point is 00:27:23 for a potential everyday bat, unfortunately. All right. So what's the other trade that I missed that I forgot to put on the graphic? You didn't
Starting point is 00:27:36 send me the name, but Seattle gets Lamontway Jr. and Wilmer Flores. San Francisco gets Thai France and Jonathan Classe. Yeah, that was from Eudonis Haslam,
Starting point is 00:27:50 I believe. Okay. Not the actual player Eudanus has them. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:27:57 I don't know. He is retired. Who's to say? Maybe he watches Lock Town Mirrors. All right. So it was Lamont Wade and Wilmer Flores for Clossey and France. France, you said? I don't think that France and Closet even gets you one of them.
Starting point is 00:28:17 Flores is coming off of a good year. And obviously Wade, too. and so is Wade too. So, well, the reason why I bring up Flores is like, I don't really see him as like, like you're taking on the contract and that's part of the value that the giants are getting as well.
Starting point is 00:28:35 So, yeah, I don't, I don't think that gets it done. I mean, it's, it's interesting. Maybe it's a conversation starter at least.
Starting point is 00:28:44 Both of those guys help you. In several ways. You know, obviously Wade would be, your first baseman and Flores can also play there a little bit. You can play some third. You can play some second. He can rotate through the DH. He can stand. He can stand there. He can stand there.
Starting point is 00:29:01 Flores at this stage of his career, mostly first base only. But yes, he can, you know, eat some innings there, maybe play once every 10 days, uh, somewhere else. Uh, yeah, not a lot of value here for the giants, uh, because, you know, they have high France on their team already. His name is J.D. Davis. Um, right. We're both coming off a remarkably similar year.
Starting point is 00:29:21 So France just not going to get it done. I do like the idea of going after Lamont Wade and Wilmore Flores. Either one would be a welcome addition to this ball club, but you're not going to get them with this deal. You might now, here's the deal. The giants are apparently going to be pretty aggressive in free agency. We know they're interested in Otani. We know that they're interested in Bellinger. They already have, maybe they're interested in bringing Jack Peterson back.
Starting point is 00:29:50 probably not. But Austin Slater is still under contract for them. Mitch Hanigar is under contract for them. Michael Foto is under contract for them. And if they add a belliger or whatever, that's a lot of corner outfield guys that they have to try and, you know, work through. So at that point,
Starting point is 00:30:05 Lamont Wade might be available. Now, Wade could just play first base or DH for them, but then you kind of put Flores in a spot where he doesn't help you. So I do think it's possible that Flores and or Wade get traded this winter. And I do think Seattle should have interest in both. I just don't think you're going to get them for Thai France. I just,
Starting point is 00:30:25 what value does Thai France bring the giants that they don't already have on this roster? Nothing. So he's not going to care anyway. Could you get one of those? Could you get Lamont Wade Jr. For Claice straight up? Probably not, but maybe Claise and, you know, something like Class A and Hancock. I don't know, like whatever it is.
Starting point is 00:30:48 But yeah, I think Wade's got two years. left of club control. So I like the players, you know, that you're targeting. I think they both be really good under the radar targets. But I just don't think you're going to get them with this package. So I'll say like a 40, like 55, 60 on the players that you're targeting, but the package is a general. It's just, it's not feasible as things stand right now. So I'd say 40 overall.
Starting point is 00:31:14 Yeah, 40. I would like to see Mikey Stremski replace one of these guys. and then... Oh, Stramski's another guy. And probably... Yeah, and probably something in addition to France and Claucet from the Mariners. And then that's probably a decent deal. But yeah, I'll go 40.
Starting point is 00:31:32 It's a decent foundation. It's a decent conversation starter. You know, I'll go 45. I feel like this separates itself from like the kind of like 35, 40-ish grades that we threw on a lot of the mediocre ones. Okay. They get the thought process, but you got to look at the... the Giants roster as well.
Starting point is 00:31:50 It's just not a fit for them. So. But also there is no rhyme or reason to our scoring decisions, really. It's just, you know, we're just vibing out here for the most part. That's what it is. This is a very. Jerry has a very late. Yeah, this is a very.
Starting point is 00:32:06 Or maybe he has. Or maybe he has. That, yeah, should mention. So the reason why we're recording this on Thursday, I'm going to be out of town on Friday today when you're watching this. I fully 100% believe that if the Marys are going to make their first real move of the off season, it's going to be today because I'm not around because naturally. The disrespect to Blake Hunt.
Starting point is 00:32:29 Right, right. But yeah, I'm sure that's going to happen. So if something does happen and you don't see us right away after something happens, that's why. But we'll try to get a show done as soon as possible if something happens. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. If the Mariners do something, I will hop on our Patreon show and do an emergency episode solo.
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Starting point is 00:33:13 Randy Rose Arena. welcome to the Seattle Marriers. Cody Bellinger, welcome to the Seattle Marys. I mean, they got the They're going to do everything tomorrow. Yeah, yeah. No, it's all, all of it is going to happen. The entire off season tomorrow. Higher off season is going to happen.
Starting point is 00:33:28 I'm also going to be out and about on Tuesday as well. So if something doesn't happen on today, something's probably going to happen on Tuesday. Or maybe things are going to happen on both days because that's just the way that things go. Sure. I mean, remember the famous night before Thanksgiving trade in year two of Jerry or you won. Was the Hanager one the night before?
Starting point is 00:33:50 Yeah, it was the Hanager one. Yep, okay. Hanager Segura. And then the Miller one was a couple weeks like, like two days after the, his first season, or well, his first month as GM ended, 2015, 2016. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, right as the, yeah, it was like a day or two after the off season started. Yep. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:11 All Nate Kar and some boog pal. Shout out to those guys. And, and Colby and. C.J. Reffenshouser. Riefenhouser. And, uh, you know, Jerry was on with the Sussis family Bbkew guys a couple of years ago and they were doing trivia with him, trade trivia with them. And that was the one guy that he couldn't even remember.
Starting point is 00:34:30 He couldn't remember. He couldn't remember CJ Reefenhouser. But we can because we're freaks. I mean, again, I said, we said, we said, you know, yesterday's episode, but Jerry hire us. Because at the very least, we're going to be. be better for PR. Like, we'll go out there and we'll, we'll like, our goal is to win a world series
Starting point is 00:34:50 every single year. Do you see how simple that is? Anyways. All right. That's going to do it. Our show that was really unhinged. Thank you guys for all of your trade proposals and submissions. We'll see how often we do this over the course
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