Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Fan Fiction Friday: Could Mariners Land Jake Cronenworth?

Episode Date: November 25, 2022

It's Friday, which means it is time for another round of your trades for Seattle Mariners Fan Fiction Friday! On today's show, Colby and Ty react to, discuss and grade six trades sent in by their viewers/ listeners. Targets include Jake Cronenworth, Gavin Lux and Amed Rosario!Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Round two of fan fiction Friday is coming right up here on the Locked on Mariners podcast. Colby, hit it. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked on podcast network, your team every day. Yo, what's up, everyone? It is Friday, November 25th, 2022. This is Taday Gonzalez and Colby Patna out for the Locked on Mariner's podcast.

Thank you so much for making us your first listen. Subscribe, like, and turn on alerts if you're watching on YouTube or subscribe and leave a five-star review on your preferred podcast platform if you like what you hear. And if you want to hear from us even more, please consider signing up for our Patreon. The link as well as our social accounts is in the description below. It is Fan Fiction Friday on today show. We asked our YouTube subscribers to submit their Mariners mock trade proposals and we're going to read and grade a few of them coming up. Also hope that if you celebrated Thanksgiving yesterday that you had a lovely Thanksgiving. If you're watching on YouTube, let us know below what was the best thing

you ate yesterday or let us know what the worst thing you ate yesterday was. We'd love to hear from you. So Colby, before we hop into these trades, let the folks know how this all works in case they're new to fanfix Friday. Yeah. So basically, you know, it started last year as an attempt to work together to get through the lockout and whatnot. So essentially every Friday or most Fridays, we're going to choose a platform. This week it was YouTube. Some weeks it will be Twitter, maybe even email,

where you guys are allowed to send us your trade proposals, and Ty and I will listen to them, and we will destroy them for being the dumb things that they are. And then we'll give you a grade on the 2080 scouting scale, 80 being just like the best trade we've ever heard, and 20 being like, don't waste our time with this again. Like, most trades land in the 4.4. 40 to 50 range.

If you guys are curious. So, yeah, that's basically it. You know, a few rules here. Like, we're not building trades for you guys. So don't send us, you know, two top 20-ish prospects for if Mike Trout, you know, like, don't send us that. We're not going to pick the prospects for you. We're not, if you're going to include cash in a trade, tell us how much. You know, we're not going to fill in the gaps for you unless the rest of the trade is very, very good.

If you have like nine-tenths of a good trade and you're like, like a top-10 prospect, maybe we'll help you out. But for the most part, we're not going to do that. So, you know, build your own trade. Send them to us. And we'll grade them and, you know, we'll see if we find any of that we like. It's basically it. Oh, and no Shoahe Otani trades. And we had one other player, right?

Ronald Acuna. Yeah. Because last year, last year we got 50 billion, I'm kind of exaggerating, but not really. Brian Reynolds trades, Jose Ramirez trades. So we're trying to avoid that from happening again. We're hoping that you guys will expand your reach here in terms of players that you guys target with these trades. It doesn't mean that we won't entertain some Cooney deals, some Otani deals. Maybe if they're like really, really, really, really.

interesting, really fun, but you've got to be, again, really creative with it for us to pick up on those. We're not just going to do Robbie Ray and Jared Keldick for Shoahe Otani. Like we're not, we're not going to waste our time with that. Especially, I just don't think that that would be fair to the people that actually put a lot of effort into some of these other deals, because we want to give those guys some spotlight and we have a few of those deals today. So let's just get right into them. This one comes from Seda. Mariner's trade Sam Haggurdy

to the athletics for Tony Kemp and AJ Puck and he adds a little bit of context here or they add a little bit of context here. Kemp is a one year rental

making $3 million. Haggertie is cheap and controllable by similar positions handed a swap for the Mariners to raise the bench floor and get back

some bullpen depth. So Colby, what do you think about this deal? Not going to happen. The A's can get way more for A.J. Puck than

Sam Haggurty. And honestly, Tony Kemp, probably a better player than Sam Haggurty. You like what you saw from Haggurty last year. It certainly can help you

against left-handed pitching, but he's not an everyday option. He's not, hasn't proven that he can hit, you know, right-handed pitching with any regularity. And Kemp is just a guy who, you know,

can at least do that, right? We think he can at least be in league average bat. We don't know about Haggerty. So Kemp for Haggerty by itself, is probably fair, although for the Mariners specific roster, I'd still probably rather have Haggerty. I'd rather have the speed than the bat skills. But A.J. Puck is a pretty darn good left-hand and reliever. So if you want him, you're going to have to pay up a little bit. And I think he's, I don't even think he's R. V eligible. I could be wrong. I think he's got four years left.

So, you know, we're talking about a guy that the A's don't even have to pay. And they can probably get a lot more. They just hold for the summer. So to me, no, this trade doesn't work. It's Seattle severely under pain for two really useful players. Yeah, Puck is not already eligible until next winter. So I agree with you on that, that this is too little for Puck.

And then if it was just Haggerty for Kemp straight up, I mean, the A's would probably do that in our heartbeat because Kemp only has a year left of control. Haggerty has multiple years, left of control is cheap, etc, etc. He checks all the boxes of what the A's like and what they look for

and deals like this. But if I'm the Mariners, I'm not doing that either. So I'm going to go, sorry, Seda, I'm going to go 35 on this one. Colby. Going 30. You got too greedy with the puck inclusion. I do think Kemp is an interesting,

like, backup plan. because I do think that like a profile like Kemp's would work on this roster. You know, we could play a little bit of outfield. He's a decent hitter. You know, I think he's played a little bit of second base in the past. He's not a terrible base runner. Like, there's value to Tony Kemp and putting him on this roster as a bench guy would make it better. So I like the idea of Kemp.

I just, I don't think you got greedy adding puck and I don't, I just, I don't see this as remotely in the realm of possibility. on to our next trade idea this one comes from joe jared kelnick chris flexen and cooper hummel for jake kronomworth san diego padre's second baseman jake kronomworth he also adds some context here it looks like the padres are lacking both starting and relief pitching depth this off season so if they're looking to invest in free agent starting pitching i would switch flexen for murphy so maybe it's kelnick murphy and hummel does that change the deal at all for you colby what do you think of about the steel overall. No, the Padres aren't going to trade, you know, an everyday starter and, you know,

borderline All-Star, at least he was in 2021. They're not going to trade him for depth, right? That's not going to work. Chrono War is not a guy who's making a ton of money either, so there's not even that incentive working for the Padres. In fact, they're so close to the luxury tax threshold that they definitely don't want to go over. They've been very clear about that.

taking on Chris Flexon's salary would hurt them. So flexen's not an option. Murphy is just depth for them. Kellnick is, unfortunately nothing. Like Jared Kellnick has next to no value, particularly in a trade like this. Chrono Worth is just way too valuable for the Padres to ever do this.

And that's even with them coming off a bad year. You know, the Padres do need some pitching. Sure. But they can just go, they can do better than Flexen for $8 million. And they're probably going to have to trade a pitcher. Maybe you Darvish or Blake Snell to get under that luxury tax. It's a real problem for them.

So they're not going to do any deal where they take on money and get worse. It just doesn't make any sense for them. Yeah, this deal stops for me because of the money thing as well, because Flexin's $8 million. I just don't think that he's going to be worth it to the Padres. I don't think that they're going to view him as worth taking on that kind of money. Um, on top of that, you know, I, I don't necessarily agree that, that Kelnick is nothing in the steel. I think, you know, they do need to get significantly better defensively in the outfield.

He does at least give them that. And he's an interesting shot to take. But for Kronomworth, you're subtracting more from your major league roster than you're adding here if you're San Diego. So I, I don't think this deal works at all. I don't, I think this is a non-starter for San Diego, quite frankly. I go honestly, 35. 30 again on this one. What about you, Colby?

Yeah. I'd agree. Yeah. All right. So we got a few more trades coming up here in just a moment. But real quick, a reminder of this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by BetOnline. Betonline.net is your number one source for sports betting info, stats, news, and analysis. Get the latest odds and trends for every professional and amateur league out there from football to basketball to soccer and e-sports.

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Jalen Beeks, the left-handed reliever from the Tampa Bay raise formerly of the Red Sox for Taylor Dollar, just a one-for-one swap. like this deal, Colby. What do you think? It's a no for me. For who? For who? The Ray's the Mariners? Who? Maybe both? I wouldn't do it if I were the Mariners. Jalen Beeks is certainly a good reliever and he does

feel the imaginary need of a guy who throws left-handed out of the bullpen. But Beeks is a good reliever. So it doesn't matter that he throws left-handed, he's just good. And that's why I would be interested. I don't think you can trade Taylor Dollar for him, unfortunately,

because the team doesn't have a tremendous amount of starting pitching depth right now, and Dollar is probably first guy up. Now, if they somehow keep Flexen and Marco, like that's part of their plan, fine, I don't see how that works,

but fine, but assuming they trade Flexon, or Marco, or both, which is much more likely than them keeping both of them, uh, right now,

Taylor is probably your number five starter. Maybe Matt Brash, but probably Taylor Dullard. So now I would assume that they would sign somebody, right, if they trade those two arms. But then Dollar's probably your number six. Like he's very close to Major League Reddy. He's definitely a starter. He's probably a four or five at best. I mean, I think he's kind of similar to Chris Flexen, but he's a lot cheaper.

He's going to make 750 grand. You get him for, you know, six plus years. You have three options on him. To me, Dollar is just too valuable of depth. to trade for a reliever. I also think I can maybe get, maybe not like everyday player help, but like a really solid,

like position player who maybe is the strong side of a platoon or something like that at a dollar. So as much as I like Beaks, I would rather just go spend money at that spot and keep my starting pitching depth because I don't have a lot because without Dollar, like next up is Bryce Miller and Emerson Hancock. And I think they're,

I think if they have any shot of making your, your opening day roster, you didn't build a very good rotation. So they need a couple months or weeks, at least in the miners, to see if they've improved it also. For me, it's a no, it's a good idea. And I think the valuation is pretty solid, but I just wouldn't do it if I were Seattle. I think the values just on paper line up pretty well here. And I think you can make an argument for both teams to do this deal.

And I really like Beaks, although there is an injury history. you do have to account for here. Only two years left of club control. So I think, again, that's how the values kind of line up here. And Beeks is obviously a big strikeout guy. So that would be a really nice add to your bullpen. 61 innings thrown this past season. Did in the season with a lower leg injury, though.

And, you know, Dallard is at probably at his ceiling is probably like a number four, which is whatever. You know, those guys are especially a dime a dozen for this particular organization for the Mariners with the depth that they do have. But Colby is right in the sense that, you know, Dollar is probably that next guy in line. If they do trade flex and if they are able to, you know, dump Marco's contract. Obviously, I think, you know, if they are doing those things, they're going to go out and get a Kodai Senga or someone like that or go out and make a trade, whatever. but I think right now just where the roster currently stands, it takes away from some important depth that you need right now.

And so right now, as of today, I don't think this deal makes a ton of sense for the Mariners, but it could a little bit later on into the offseason. I'm going to give this one a 55, though. I really like this deal from Alex. 45. Now I got to humble Alex up because you're over here pumping them up. It was okay, Alex. It wasn't great.

So like 45. Take your cumulative 50 and be happy with it. You're all amazing. You're all fired. There it is. There it is. The tying Colby connection coming through very strong. All right. Next trade.

This is actually a double trade post from Riley. The first trade has the Mariners sending Penn Murphy and Taylor Trammell to the Giants for. yes Mike Ustromski so what do you think about this one I like Yaz a lot do you like Yas not really okay I think I think he's fine

like I think you know he's a guy like he's not just a dude but he's also not a dude you know what I'm talking about so like I think Yistrinsky's fine I just

go do better like just go go do better than Mike Yistrimski the cost isn't super outrageous. Although I'm not in love with trading Taylor Tremel.

He posted some video from driveline a few days ago. And like, you could totally see swing changes that I am totally convinced will 100% fix him. He also changed. He also changed his jersey number, Colby. So he's a

reinvented player. He did. But yeah, you Stremsky the last few years, he's been okay. You know, you kind of broke out in 2020, short in season, but the last two years, you know, 311 on base, a 305 on base. He's going to hit 220. So it really comes down to how much power you get.

I'd honestly probably rather take the shot on Taylor Tramel figuring it out than I would on Eustrimski. Yeah, WRC plus-wise, Ustremski is about a league average bat. And then he's a decent outfielder at best for the most part. So like just go just go give Will Meyer $7 million. Yeah, I think this is just subtracting too much. if you're the Mariners for a, you know, a solid player, a guy that would probably help if you had them on your roster. But I just, I don't know if it's going to be enough.

I mean, he was a two and a half win player the last year. And like he's consistently been about a two and a half three win player. Yeah, about two to two and a half wins over each of his first four seasons in the league. It's kind of an older guy, though. I just, you know, you can, you can find that guy elsewhere. You can find that guy on the free agency market. I don't think that you necessarily need to trade Taylor-Tremel and Penn Murphy to go get that guy. Go get Will Myers.

Same deal. Sure. I'll give the steel 40. 42 and a half. Wow. Yeah. They didn't see that coming. All right.

Definitely did not see that coming. All right. The second deal from Riley is Penn Murphy, Dillamore, Emerson Hancock, and Tyler Locklear for Gavis. for Gavin Lux. Colby? Way too light. Gavin Lux is a really good player. And he's young and he's controllable.

And none of those players are going to be of really any interest to the Dodgers. And by the way, if the Dodgers end up losing Trey Turner, Gavin Lux becomes all the more important to them. Might be their shortstop. I mean, I think they tried and go out and sign one,

but maybe they can't. So, uh, yeah, I just, I look at this and I just kind of break down this deal. Um, so what do the Mariners get in Gavin Lux?

They get a really good second baseman, just a really solid player, maybe all star at the position, uh, in, you know, this year, starting this year next.

Um, Tyler Locklear is an interesting bat, but there are some bat speed concerns about him. We're not sure if he's going to be able to hit enough to get to the power, which is impressive. He's first base only. Uh, that's just,

not a profile that carries a tremendous amount of value. Emerson Hancock's value is down. I think most teams right now look at him as a number four type of starter with number three upside. His, you know, he hasn't stayed healthy enough or produced well enough to carry the same weight that his name did, you know, a few years ago. Still a good prospect, but not a carrying package, not an elite prospect that you can build around. Dylan Moore, Gavin Lux is better. And that's pretty much the only major leaguer they're getting in this deal. Because Penn Murphy, the Dodgers have like 18 Penn Murphy's.

The Dodgers don't need a Penn Murphy. They have plenty. So essentially you're trading them guys who probably rank outside their top 10 in their prospect ranks. And the only one who's probably close to the 10 is Emerson Hancock and Dylan Moore for Gavin Lux. Like it's a non-starter. They're not interested in that. Lux started looking like the guy that we thought that he was going to be this year, three-win season, 113 WRC plus

you know not a ton of power but he gets on base quite a bit doesn't strike out much walks he's 25 years old still has four years left of club control you're not getting four years of club control for a rising Gavin Lux for what you're offering here it's just not enough for a Dodgers team that doesn't really

need to replenish its farm system it's got a lot of nice pieces in its farm right now so I'm going to go 35 Yeah, the Dodgers don't need, the Dodgers don't need bulk, right? They need, I mean, they don't need a lot, but they definitely don't need bulk. So, yeah, I'm probably going to give it a 35. It's just, it's way too light.

And honestly, I don't know what trade you can make with the Dodgers to get that. Gavin Lux, there's not a great fit between these two teams. Yeah. Last trade comes from Alex Hall. Taylor Chamele and Penn Murphy. Man, that's been a combination today. Taylor Jamel and Penn Murphy to the Guardians for one year of

Ahmed Rosario. I don't see it. I think, you know, we have to understand. Penn Murphy is an interesting reliever, but he's not by any stretch at a top tier reliever. He's a middle guy, right?

And I think most organizations believe they have Penn Murphy in their org somewhere. Cleveland's bullpen is already pretty darn good. So Penn Murphy really isn't going to do much for them. And Taylor Tremel, there's just too many questions there to trade even one year of Rosario. Because Rosario is just making sure I'm not getting him confused with Andre Seminez, which I've done before. You're probably getting him confused with Andre Seminoez.

No, no, no, because Rosario is a league average bat at second base. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's, I mean, it's only one year, but he's still a league average bat at second base. Second base is a really hard position to fill, as you guys have probably learned by now. So why would you trade an above average solid second baseman for a relief arm that you probably have three or four guys who are the same dude? And Taylor Tremel, who hasn't proven that he can hit at all at the big league level, how far does salary relief matter for a team like Cleveland? I don't know. So is it possible they would do a deal like this?

I suppose it's possible, but it would just be a salary dump because they're not getting better with this trade at all. Yeah, I think I think it is possible because we've seen the Guardians do stuff like this in the past Right like go for club control right trade for you know years of club control I mean because like Murphy's got multiple years of club control obviously tremble does as well resario only has the one and they're probably not going to resign in uh risario he's probably going to get traded at some point whether it's this winter or at the deadline coming up in a few months um but yeah I just I I don't know I don't I don't know if this does it for the guardians. It's hard because like the guardians are such a weird team, right? The guardians kind of fit in that same range as like the Rockies.

You know, we've talked about this on the past where it's just like they probably shouldn't do this. But I could also see them doing this because they're just weird. But I feel like they could probably get something better that helps them more in 2023 for Rosario than Murphy and Tremel. Because like you said, Murphy's a middle inning reliever. He's fine. You know, he had a decent year this past year. But he's not like, he's not a dude, right? He's not a guy that it's like, I need to add that guy to my bullpen.

He's just like a solid ad. He's a solid ad on the back end of a trade or something like that. I just, yeah, I don't know. I'm going to go 45 on this because I could still see it. Actually, I'll give it a 50 because I could see it. I just, I don't know if they would do this or not. really. 20.

No. I would say it's probably I'd give it a 40. I just don't see the way a way that they, Cleveland does this. I think if you're looking for like Ahmad Rezario,

like what's a fair trade package for him, I don't know why. I don't have any inside information on this, but I feel like Cleveland really, really, really likes Taylor Dollar. Just guess. But I feel like that's about,

what Rosario would cost. Maybe not specifically Taylor-Dollard, but like that type of value. So we'll see. I mean, I don't know. MLB trade rumor said that

Chris Flexen for Ahmad Rosario was an interesting idea. And it seems a little wishful, but yeah, you know, we'll see. I do think Rosario is available. Yeah.

I don't think that that's going to win the sweet stakes or whatever. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, right, we're talking about a league average bat for one year,

one year of a league average bat, but that also comes with, you know, really good base running. You can steal some bases as well on top of that. And, you know, decent enough defense as well. And he can play second and short. He can play both spots up the middle. I just evaluating those guys are weird, especially when they're on teams like this. When they're on teams, I just do weird stuff like this. So this one's a little bit hard.

I kind of feel stumped by it in a way, but, I'll still give you a 50 on this one because I think there is a path to actually making that happen. I just don't know if the guardians actually feel that way about Taylor Tremel or Penn Murphy. Yeah, it's also worth noting, by the way, that Amad Rosario did not play, has not played second base at the big league level. So, all shortstop this last year. Well, he did play a little bit of left field. So, I mean, if you're feeling frisky, he also played center field last year. So he does have some outfield experience.

Yeah, but at shortstop, he's, he's bad. Not bad. He's, yeah, he's not better than J.P. Crawford. Let's put it that way. So moving him to second base is the easy answer. Yeah, I believe he played some second in the minors, right? Correct me if I'm not down in the comments. But, yeah.

Real quick. before we sign off. Sure. I assume you want to comment on the picture that is blowing up Mariner's Twitter. Oh, of Gino and Glaber. Boarding a private plane, obviously. He's coming to Seattle. Because as we all know, you know, you recruit trade targets.

That's a thing that happens. Yes, it's totally not, you know, against the rules. and also totally unnecessary because you don't have to sell Labor Torres on anything. If you trade for him, he's coming here, period. Yeah, I know people are thirsty for moves to be made, but really,

you think they sent Gino to come down? Like, Labor doesn't have a no trade clause. Like, whatever, whatever, you know. I mean, like, maybe it's a vibe check, right? Like, maybe they're like, hey, see what this. guy's up to you see what he's about you know like before we before we trade for him like maybe it's just that like see if he's like a good fit for us i can't wait for a grainy video to come out of glabor torres taking swings of drive line or like somebody took a back of his head photo at like elgado or

something having a stake and they're like oh my god he's here he's been traded and it's like yeah yeah yeah all right well on that note those are our favorite rumors I know they are. That's going to do for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Lockdown Mariners podcast for Colby Pat. I'm Tadings. Allis, be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at L0 underscore Mariners. You can follow me at Dane-G-N-ZL-Z and Colby at C-Pat 11.

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