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If the Mariners sold at the deadline this year, what would that look like? Our listeners take a crack at it coming up here on fan fiction Friday. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Oh, Hoy, Sailors, it is Friday, March 14th, 2025. This is Tuding Azales and Colby Patnaud for the Lockdown Mariner's podcast,

part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team, every day. This episode is brought to you by Fandul. new customers can get $200 in bonus bets when your first $5 bet wins. And as always, if you want to hear from me and Colby Vamoran help support the show, you can check out our Patreon. All you have to do to check that out is click the link in the description of this episode. So it's Fan Fiction Friday. And since we weren't able to get to a ton of your trades last week due to the George Kirby news,

we're going to carry over last week's theme to this week. We asked you guys, of course, for Mariners' trade ideas, that would be clear selling moves by the team. So we're going to go over a few of those today. And if you're new to the show and Fan Fiction Friday in general, here's how it works. Our listeners submit Mariners trade ideas and we grade them on the 2080 scale based on things

like creativity, uniqueness. And of course, if they make sense for both teams, that's kind of the most important ones. So let's get into your trade, starting with Adam, who has a deal with the Arizona Diamondbacks. Mariners get Jordan Lawler, Ryan Nelson and Jake McCarthy for

George Kirby. And we got a lot of trades involving the starting pitchers. Yeah. Mostly Kirby and Gilbert. I don't think I saw a single Miller trade and I think only one Wu trade. So that's pretty interesting. But I did see a couple of different Julio Rodriguez trades and just understand that I saw those trades and they were rejected with prejudice because that is stupid.

I mean, I'm sorry, it's stupid. But the Mariners, even if they do sell a piece here or there, even if it is a big piece, they're not trading Julio Rodriguez. This is not a tear down. This is not a full rebuild. And even then with Julio's contract and how young he is, probably doesn't make a lot of sense to trade them. So, yeah, the Julio trades, never going to answer one on the air, just wasting our time and your time, by the way. So, yeah, you won't see any Julio trades here.

There were a couple of Cal Raleys, which. maybe, maybe. But yeah, definitely more likely than Julio, but I'd still say unlikely, but at least those are on the table, all right? Don't send us Julio trades. We're not answering them. So anyways, yeah, this one's interesting.

Kirby impacts for playoff races if you acquire them at the deadline. So we don't really have a precedent for that for like what that looks like. For a guy has established as George Kirby, who still has upside left to get to, who is still in his, mid-20s, who prior to this injury,

has been very durable for the Mariners. So yeah, it's kind of tough to have like, you know, this is a deal that happened over here. What are the comps to that? I don't know. I couldn't find one for three and a half years of essentially a number two starting pitcher in the middle of the summer. So it's a little tough here.

But I think when you look at the package as mayor would be getting, what's interesting about this is is that none of these guys are, you know, like 18-year-old, four years away from the big league type of prospects. They're all either major league, like, established, or they've played in the majors, and they still carry a very high prospect pedigree in Lawler. So it's very interesting.

You would get essentially a starting infielder, probably starting third baseman at this point. You would get, well, maybe shortstop. You would get a replacement for Nelson. or for Kirby and Nelson, who's kind of starting to figure some things out. He's not quite where you want him to be yet, but he's getting there. Then you get Jake McCarthy, who's a speedy outfielder, left-handed hitter, more of a, you know, Team Mobile Park fit than somebody like Randy or Rosarena.

But yeah, so it's interesting. I think there's a possibility Arizona looks at this and says it's too much to give up. We're not actually getting better. But, you know, Arizona does, you know, have. their infield like Catele-Marté and Pardomo are both locked up long-term. They could just move Lawler to third, which I assume is the plan. But, you know, if you're chasing a pennant and you're trying to track down the Dodgers and Lawler is maybe just not, you know, performing at the time of the trade,

then, yeah, maybe you do consider this because ultimately McCarthy is probably more of a really good fourth outfielder. and Nelson, you know, still some bullpen risks there with Ryan Nelson. So maybe. I just don't know if Arizona would do it. I do think this is the type of thing, though, that a team would have to do to really get Seattle's attention is to be like, because again, Seattle's not going to rebuild. They may retool, they may reallocate, but they're not going to rebuild. And so players who are in the big leagues are close to the big leagues, like they're going to carry. more value in a Kirby train.

So I don't know if Arizona does this, but I think this is roughly what it takes to get Seattle's attention on a guy like Kirby, but again, we don't have any, like, or I can find any historical comps that are relevant. Can't go back too far. Yeah.

So it's tough to say, but this is interesting. Kirby feels like a guy who's just impossible to trade midseason. I think it really comes down to would the mayor is one, a major leager with more of a track record than Jake McCarthy brings. Because Nelson is still a guy that's trying to figure it out.

He had a pretty good year in 2024, but he's still not necessarily all the way there. Lawler hasn't had any major league success yet. He is one of the better prospects in baseball, though. And McCarthy, yeah, he might just be a fourth outfielder. I mean, he was a three-win player this past year. But he's kind of, it's been a mixed bag for him at the major league level so far in his career. but you're getting three guys who are major league ready right now who have a ton of club control

I believe McCarthy has the least amount of club control and it's still like four years something like that but yeah would the Mariners want someone more established than McCarthy with more of a track record than McCarthy and if that's the case then they probably can't trade Kirby midseason yeah I mean what's interesting about this is that the Mariners

if a trade like has happened arguably they have you know it's kind of like a super souped up version of the paul seawall trade where it's like yeah we added three starters for the one you know and so lawler's going to play third base now and McCarthy's going to roam the outfield all three spots we know how the mayors are going to do that and then nelson just kind of hops in and maybe nelson just goes right to the bullpen because maybe sainja is ready to go you know so it's possible if they look at it like that on top of this too And we'll have more information at the time of this trade than what we do right now. But obviously, you know, I can't see in the future here. But, yeah, just working off of the information I have right now. I'm just not sure. I'm not sure if this is something the merits would want to do or if they would prefer to just take it to the off season and trade Kirby with three years left. Yeah, I don't think you're going to get significantly less if you trade Kirby this winter versus the summer.

oh, by the way, that's one thing we're assuming here on this episode, obviously, is that everybody's healthy, everybody's performing roughly as they did, you know, last year, or, you know, at least within the range of reasonable outcomes, blah, blah, blah, and that the Mariners are not in a playoff position and that every team that is trying to acquire the Mariners players obviously are, all right? So you're sitting here going like, that team's not going to be competitive. We're assuming they are. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You have to make a lot of assumptions with this exercise. But yeah, so I'll give it a 55. I think it's pretty good. I almost have to give it like a 50 just because it's like, I don't know. It might be a 60. It might be a 40. I don't know. Like it's just really tough to grade.

So yeah, I think 50, 55. It's definitely interesting to say the least. And it is a little creative. So yeah, 50, 55 somewhere in that range. Aidan has a deal with the Phillies. Dillamore and Trent Thornton to Philadelphia. from Mick Abel. Now, we know that the marries have liked Mick Abel in the past. They liked him around the draft when he was taken, what, two years ago, three years ago, whenever it was. 2020. She's five years ago now. 2020 feels like it was two years ago, but yeah.

The basic thought or the basic belief is that had Hancock gone in the top five, the Mariners were going to take Abel and cut a deal to go under slot there and use the money elsewhere. but Hancock fell to them. They took Hancock. And like Hancock and like a lot of dudes that were drafted in 2020, things have not gone particularly well for Abel and his pro career. So you're not trading a whole ton here. I mean, you would be trading, you know, a couple of months of Dillamore and a couple of months of Trent Thornton

for Mick Abel. Just take the shot on him. Yeah. I don't know if there's enough upside here for the Phillies. Now, again, if Able continues to really strong. like maybe at that point they're just like look he's got to be put on the he's got to be put on the 40 man this year this winter anyways and we're going to lose them in the rule five but we don't we're not going to we don't want to do that maybe that they do just get rid of him but it still feels

like i don't know like you got to give up like gab spire maybe instead of uh thornton like you got to give the fillies something because they're still upside here so abel's a really tough guy to kind of place value on. He's not worth nothing because the stuff and the pedigree is so really good. Can't throw strikes though. And again, we're running out of time. He's got to be put on the 40 man this winter or you risk losing him in the rule five. What is the lowest walks per nine he's had in the miners trying to figure that out?

I think it's 401 in 2022 and high A. Oh, 579, 516, 646, 646, Jesus. Yeah. And that's also not very marinary. So the mares may have liked him five years ago, but you can't throw strikes, you know, yeah, I, like that type of prospect is a fine guy to take a shot on when you're giving up a couple months of a Bryce Miller. But I think because it's the Phillies, because of the prospect pedigree and all that stuff, I think it's probably going to cost you a little bit of a better reliever. But yeah, this is interesting. This is exactly the type of shot you take when you're out of it for a summer.

and you have innings to give. You trade for a guy like Mick Abel and you say, let's try this and see if it works. And maybe it does pop and you have a guy. And if it doesn't, you lost a couple of guys who were going to be free agents anyways. Yeah. I'll go 50.

Yeah, I just don't think the Phillies would be. I think the Phillies could get something a little bit better than this. You know, and now they trade Bome and Sosa's playing third base every day. Then they might need to replace, you know, that utility role on their bench. but I mean, unless Dylan Moore does something he's never done before. I just, I'd think this is probably a bit pie in the sky. But again, Abel's been really bad.

And basically the only thing keeping him in prospect status right now is that he was a first round pick. So, yeah, 45. Sure. That's fair. All right. We'll go over more of your trades in just a moment. But first, a reminder of this episode of the Lockdown Marys podcast is brought to you by Fanduel. All right, folks, it's that time of year again. March Madness is finally here and FanDuel is giving you the chance to get in on the action like never before.

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Let's get back into your trades here on fan fiction Friday. Mark has a deal here with the Mets, Luis Castillo, and Gabe Spire for Brandon Sprote, Ryan Clifford, Jeremy Rodriguez. Sproke goat. How are you feeling about this deal? I think you probably need 23 Louise Castillo to show up in the first half for this to be a conversation

Not a big Clifford guy To be quite honest with you But that's fine because again You know you're talking about A 31, 32 year old making money So you're not going to get What you would get for Gilbert or Kirby obviously So yeah

A lot of people like Sprote I'm fine with that too. Giving up Gabe Spire is certainly an interesting part of this deal. He does, again, assuming he's healthy and he's 2023 Gabe Spire, he does bring a lot of value to a deal, I would think. And this is a very common thing to do. You trade kind of the big piece and then you attach something to that piece to kind of sweeten the pot. So yeah, it's interesting.

If we assume Castillo's back to 2023 form, we assume that, that spire is healthy, then I think this is pretty interesting. Clifford is kind of a fringe top 100 guy. So that's about right to, I think that's about right to me. You get a top 100 prospect. You get kind of a fringy type of guy. And essentially get more or less what you gave up to get him just a couple years later.

So yeah, and then I think even though he's older and he's a little more expensive money-wise, I think the inclusion of Gabe Spire makes up that gap. So yeah, I think you're looking for roughly a Noelvie and Arroyo type of deal for him. And I think this is pretty close. Yeah, no, I really like this deal. If they were able to do this and the mirrors were out of it, then I'd be happy with this return.

You get a starter back who's controllable and ready for Major League action right now. I think with all the injuries in the Mets rotation, he's going to make their rotation on opening day, if I'm not mistaken. yeah so he'll have so he'll have some major league seasoning by the time this trade would theoretically happen and then clifford's uh you know interesting dude take a shot on him why not um might be ready this year might seem this year at some point you don't you don't have a lot of outfielders on the farm that are close right now so you you would have an opportunity to give him some playing time and all that yeah i mean he's very fringy defensively in the outfield but

Yeah. You know, does he have enough power to play first? He's kind of a tweeter prospect, which is fine. As a second piece for Luis Castillo trade, yeah, that's fine. Yeah. So 60. Look at Ty being all generous today. Yeah.

Yeah. By the way, Jeremy Rodriguez, 18-year-old shortstop. Yeah. We'll see, you know, just kind of a lottery ticket. Take a shot. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, I'd say 55.

Pretty good. Okay. Yeah. Next deal comes from Connor. Logan Gilbert to the Tigers for Max Clark, Bryce Rainer, Jace Young, and Trey Sweeney.

It's a lot from Detroit. Well, kind of has to be. Yeah. Logan Gilbert, you get him for three playoff races. Yeah. If you look at other pitchers who were traded with,

you know, basically for three years of control, three playoff races. Jose King Tana, who, kind of similar to Gilbert in terms of production. He cost the Cubs, Eloy Jimenez, who at the time was a top five prospect,

pretty much unanimously, and Dylan Sees, who at the time was a top 50 prospect and rising pretty quickly up the ranks in a couple minor league pitchers. So Quintana cost you, Eloy and Sees. So Clark and Ray and, Rainer is pretty close. That's pretty close to that.

Now, Young is also top 100 guy. Now, he's also got some major league seasoning, but there's some downside with Young. He's kind of Harry Ford, very similar in that type of approach. He's in that same range. Trace Sweeney, just kind of a throw-in, like, you know, he's got some major league playing time. There's nothing real special about Trace Sweeney, I see. So I think when you compare Gilbert and Kintana, I think that's a very big. the type of deal you're looking for. And I think this comes close to it. I do wonder if maybe

Young is a bit too much over the top, how Detroit will see it. But yeah, Clark is a couple years away. Rainer is a couple years away. And so because the mayor, because the Mariners aren't looking to rebuild, because they're looking to compete again in 2026 in this scenario, they might need a guy like young. They might want a guy like young who can come and actually help and they could play. So, you know, You're kind of trying to find this sweet spot here. I do think Detroit is a really good partner for one of the Seattle pitchers. I agree. Yeah.

If it gets to that point because they do have Clark. They do have Rainier. They do have young. They do have a couple of interesting catcher slash first base prospects. Like it's a good farm system. And so, yeah, I do think Detroit's a good fit. I do think that Chicago is another really good fit. The Cubs, as we talk about them, obviously all winter.

So yeah, this is really interesting. I think it's pretty close to in line. Another comp might be the Chris Sell trade. Now, you got three full years of Chris Sale, not two and a half. And Chris Sale's better, or at least he was, than Logan Gilbert at the time they were treated. And Sale got you, Makata, who at the time, top five prospects, some said number one in baseball. And OPEC, who was top 50-ish prospect with some real relieverous there. It does seem if you're trading these, like, now it's also worth noting that sale was traded in the winter.

But Kintana, two and a half years of kind of this number two, four win type of pitcher. It was Eloy and it was and it was Cease. So I think that's the type of package you're looking for. And again, Eloy was a top five guy. Sees was the top 50 guy with momentum with helium. He was quickly rising up the ranks. So yeah, I think this is pretty. close to what the mariners would have to get to consider it.

I just wonder if maybe they even look at this and they're like, those guys are just too far away. We just can't. We just can't do this. Yeah. This is really close to about what it would take for me to be willing to do this. Because again, I got Logan Gilbert for two more years after this.

I can just run it back with him. I don't have to trade him at the deadline. So you got to make me trade him, basically. Right. And also, I think you have to be really sure that there is no chance you're going to get Logan signed to an extension. Yeah. Because I think he is the guy that they would like to have signed.

I do wonder if the tigers go, this is one piece too much for us. Right. And if that one piece is Clark, you're probably out. Like if you're the Mariners, I think you have to have Clark or you have to have Joe or you're not even entertaining this. Yeah. So, yeah, I think this is an interesting starting point. I think we do actually have some comps for three playoff races of a kind of number two starter. So that helps with this.

Yeah. And Clark might be the new number one prospect in the Mariners system. Now, obviously, they'll have made a selection, you know, the number three overall pick. They'll admit that selection by the time of trade like this happens. And we'd have more information on Emerson and all that. But there's a shot. Rainer would be pretty close to top five, I would say. And Young would probably be, well, I mean, he'd probably graduate at that point.

but based on how things are right now. No, he still. No, he hasn't yet. Okay. Based on the way things are right now in the system, I would say young would probably be top seven or eight. And just one thing to keep in mind is that the Mariners, they can acquire Clark, right?

They don't ever have to acquire him with the attention of him playing for you. You have more trade ammo now in the winter to go get a bat. Yeah. Yeah. And so, yeah, it's interesting to say, I'd say 55. it's definitely kind of in range with the comps I looked at. I've seen a lot of Logan Gilbert trades doing this. Relative to those, I'm going to give this a 60.

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o nmlb for half off your first year and you're listening to the locked on eras podcast let's get into the last few trades we have here on fanfiction Friday the heat miser has a deal with the Cleveland Guardians chase the Latter and Parker message to Seattle for Andreas Munoz. Munoz is really tough. He's a fascinating. I would like to see what the Marys could get for him, but also I feel like there's a really good chance.

It's underwhelming. You know, it's kind of... Yeah, there's a wide range of possibilities with him. There is. And I think, you know, again, you get him for three and a half years. So four pennant races. Edwin Diaz was traded with five years of club control. So you're probably not going to do quite as well as much.

And he was coming off of one of the best reliever seasons. Right. Right. Right. So you're probably not going to get that. Yeah, no. But you probably should get more than the Josh Hater deal. You remember that a few years ago. So it's kind of yet to find this middle ground. I think for the mayor's to move, Munoz, they would want one like top 30-ish prospect, top 40 prospect, and probably somebody a little bit better than Messick, although he pretty close to me. league ready and he's put up some good numbers yeah i mean like both of these guys are going to play at the major league level this year i guess i would say this i would not if this was what they could do for munoz i would probably pass and try again this winter yeah but if they made this trade again assuming everybody blah blah blah i'd be open-minded i'd be like okay i mean i'd understand if this was the best that they could do right and again

And this is the best they could do, I'd prefer they wait. But maybe they really like DeLotter. And if that's the case, then like, fine. Like, I get it. And again, you get two guys like, you're going to find out soon on. You don't have to wait. Like, it's not like DeLotter is still a year and a half away. So like you trade for DeLotter.

He's probably in your lineup the next day. Yeah. I mean, like I said, I wouldn't love it. But I could certainly see the merit. And if they were just like, we think DeLotter is like, the bat or the the the the robin to wholios batman like we really feel strongly about this then it's like okay i i guess like at the end of the day you are trading just a reliever as much as we love munoz and as good as he is he is just a reliever so you get an everyday type of bat for that guy

i'm never going to hate it especially if you're you're out of it like a closer doesn't help you at all if you're out of it so yeah again i'd probably wait and see what i could get this winter But if they did this, I wouldn't hate it. So I guess I kind of have to go 50. Yeah. I was actually kind of debating a 55 because it is thought-provoking. Yeah, I'll go 55. Why not?

Spencer has our final deal of the day. It involves the San Francisco Giants. That's another Andres Munoz steal. But going along with Munoz to San Francisco is Victor Broblis for Bryce Eldridge. This is actually a really good. contrast between the last deal on this one. It's just how much does the addition of Robles and the subtraction of a secondary piece going to Seattle? How much does that make a difference here?

Right. And it likely comes down to how much do the Mariners like Eldridge versus DeLotter? Because like hypothetically, if these two deals were available to them at the deadline, which one do they pick? I'd assume they pick Cleveland's, even though Eldridge is probably the better overall prospect. I think it's close, but I think Eldridge is probably the better prospect. So, you know. And they get Messick on top of that. They don't have to trade Robles because of it.

Right. Who still has another year of club control after this year. So, yeah. Again, I think they get the better prospect in Eldridge, but I do think it's close in having to add Robles on top of that. I would prefer they do the Cleveland deal. So, yeah, this one's interesting, though. It feels

a bit much. I feel like San Francisco should have to add a piece to this deal. Maybe it's, you know, I mean, kind of defeats the purpose if you get Ryan Walker, right? Like, that's, what's the point? But maybe, and I know

that San Francisco doesn't have a very good arm system. It's probably not a significant piece. Yeah. I mean, it's probably like maybe a Mason Black guy who I've liked in the past. Just say, want to take a shot on this guy? Sure. Yeah.

One of those kinds of dudes. Right. Or maybe it's somebody who's on the major league roster who's, you know, yeah. David VR type. But yeah, I think I get the last one of 50.

I think I got to give this one a 45. But it's interesting. Yeah, I'll go from a 55. on the Cleveland deal to a 50 on this one. Yeah, it's pretty interesting. Yeah, I saw somebody packaged Munoz and a Rosarana together, and it's like, I don't even know what that would be worth. Like, make no say, if the Mariners chose to sell,

they would be the most attracted team, like, for all the buyers. And it's always going to be a seller's market now because of the extra playoff spot. So you hope it doesn't come to that. But if it does, the Mariners are well positioned to take advantage. But probably not in the traditional, traditional way, not a lot of rentals on this team. So it's going to sting if they sell either way for multiple reasons. But yeah, they could they could really position themselves well with, you know, picking and choosing who to actually move off at their core and kind of reallocating those resources elsewhere.

So we'll see. Hopefully we're instead we're talking about like, would you trade? Colt Emerson for you know right uh for Vlad Jr and uh a bullpen arm like hopefully we're having those conversations instead yeah a lot more fun so we will keep the themes going on uh fan fiction Friday we'll create different challenges uh for you guys only one of these left though until opening day that's true that's true but uh you know once we start to re-up fan fiction Friday, probably in June-ish, we're going to give you guys specific challenges. Maybe we'll give you a specific team that you have to come up with trades for or a specific

division or a specific player or what have you. So, yeah, look forward to that. And if you have suggestions, be sure to leave them down in the comments below or let us know on Twitter. All right. That's going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Lockdown Merrers podcast for Colby Patnode. I'm Tadeng Gazzal.

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