Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Fan Fiction Friday: Hamilton, Neto, Mountcastle, and More

Episode Date: February 21, 2025

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It's fan fiction Friday. Let's see what Marrers trades you cooked up. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners, your daily Seattle Mariner's podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Ahoy, Sailors. It is Friday, February 21st, 2025. This is Tiding Gazzal.

And Colby Patnode for the Lockdown Marriss podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. It is Fan Fiction Friday, the show where you submit your Mariners Trade Ideas. and we grade them on the 2080 scale based on things like creativity, uniqueness, and liability. Before we get into your trades, quick shout out to our title sponsor today, Fandul. Right now, new Fandual customers can get $150 in bonus bets if your first $5 bet wins. Download the app or head to fanduil.com to get started.

And of course, as always, if you want to hear from me and Colby even more and help support the show, you can check out our Patreon. All you have to do to check that out is click the link in the description of this episode. So kicking us off here on fan fiction Friday is GoMs. He has a deal with Red Sox. David Hamilton for Dom Kanzone and Michael Morales. Yeah. So we talked a lot about the Red Sox. What was it this week? Beginning of the week, Monday. Was it last week? Whatever. It was Monday.

Raphael Devers isn't happy, right? That he is being forced to move off a third. We don't know if that's actually what's going to happen yet. But he's already said he's not going to be a D.H. He's not going to be a first baseman. He's going to be a third baseman. So that might mean one of the Red Sox, you know, second basemen are available. And Hamilton is the guy who performed a little bit at the big leagues last year. It wasn't amazing or anything like that. But he has some versatility. He can steal some bags. He's really fast. It's a little bit. So, yeah, I think the idea between Hamilton is like you have kind of another option

to throw at second base, but ultimately he's kind of Dylan Moore, Dillan more light, not as much power, but that's the idea. And Hamilton is making league minimum for the next couple years, whereas Moore is in the last year of his contract. I would say it's unlikely

that he is back next year with the Mariners at an elevated salary. I think they probably would only like to pay him three or four million bucks, and I just, I think somebody will give him a little bit more than that. So, yeah, is Hamilton a good, target to replace more, you know, beyond this year. Sure.

Canzone, I don't think does anything for the Red Sox. I think he is the wrong player to throw in here. Morales for Hamilton. I think Morales is a good secondary piece, but if you want to throw in a major leaguer here for the Red Sox, which they're probably going to want, probably should be one of the bullpen arms. Does Trent Thornton and Michael Morales get it done?

Do you have to do something better than that? Do they like Bizarro more? Who's already been in that organization? Yeah, I think Santos is a bit too much to give up for Hamilton this offseason or this Would you do Snyder? No. That relies upon the Red Sox buying into what Snyder did this year or last year. No, because I just feel like for one year, I would rather take the shot on Ryan Bliss than

David Hamilton. And then this winter, I can reassess, you know, because I'll also have Cole Young information that I don't have right now. So yeah, it's kind of a really like challenging trade because you're replacing Dylan Moore in the long term. But right now, Hamilton is he going to be the everyday second baseman? No, probably not over Dylan Moore. And obviously we know Cole Young is coming. So it's going to be one of those things where how long do we need Hamilton to be, you know, an everyday second basement.

and how long before Dylan Moore just gets pushed back into his natural role as the utility man. And then Hamilton slides even further down on the bench. Like it just, it's kind of this weird thing. So if I'm training for Hamilton, I want, you know, pitchers that I'm pretty sure I'm not going to miss. Morales is fine. I'm fine giving up Morales. But I think probably the best arm I'd give up, like Major League arm, is probably Thornton. And I don't know if the Red Sox do that.

So it's pretty interesting. I just don't think the piece line up quite right for this one. So, I don't know, 45. Yeah, it's about where I'm at. I'll go 40 because I just don't think Canzone's going to get it done. But I think Morales is a fine secondary piece to get yourself, David Hamilton. I just don't know if you have the major league piece that you would be willing to part with that the Red Sox would actually want for Hamilton. If I can get him for like two Michael Morales's, then I would consider that too.

But I think just Michael Morales alone just isn't enough. And then I think any piece that puts it over the top for Boston might be too much for Seattle. But who knows? We don't know how the Red Sox value the guys in the Mariners system or in their bullpen. And we honestly don't know how much the Mariners value David Hamilton, although I did hear they try to trade for him last winter. but they pivoted to Smaud Taylor and they acquired him. So yeah,

interesting guy and the Red Sox are still an interesting trade partner. Connor has a deal with the Cincinnati Reds. Christian Incarnacion Strand for Logan Evans and Tyler Goff. Encarnassion Strand, former well-regarded prospect in the Reds organization, hasn't really been able to put it all together at the major league level yet, though. So I don't know. How you feel about this?

I mean, we talked about Guff. We talked about Evans over the last couple days during prospect week. Those are guys that obviously come with quite a few questions. Guff is obviously hurt right now. And Evans is just like, how good is Logan Evans really? So I don't know. Would you be willing to part with those guys to take a shot on CES? Yeah.

I'm not 100% sure. what I'm getting defensively. I know Incarnazion Strand has played third base, but it seems like he's basically a first baseman. He was awful last year, just truly awful. A small sample size, but still, I mean, to be worth a full negative one B-war in just 29 games,

that speaks to how terrible you were now. He was really good in 63 games in 2023. So, yeah, Encanonautical. On Crancant, very interesting. By the way, a Jerry Depoto draft pick. So, you know, he was drafted in the 34th round of the 2019 draft by the Seattle. Oh, really? Really?

Yep. Yep. It was. So, yeah, this is interesting because I don't know if the Reds would do this. I don't know if the Mariners would do this. I think, you know, in Carnaccio Strand, does he actually solve a problem? Or is he just kind of another body in a position that you're already trying to fill with three or four different bodies.

You know, it's one of those things where... Yeah. What do you expect? And if In Carnaccio Strand repeats what he does in 2023, he's worth a lot more than the two arms. If he does what he did last year, not only are you trading probably a major league ready starter, who is valuable rotation depth. I mean, you really want Jonathan Diaz starting games because you might be one arm away from that happening. So, yeah, it's one of those things where it's a little bit risky, but it's risky for the Reds too,

because they might be selling extremely low on this guy. But they do have some pitching needs in their system. So, yeah, it's a really interesting trade. Ultimately, I feel like this just isn't enough for the Reds would be my guess. But, again, I don't know how the Reds feel about Strand in Carnaccio and Strand. So it's a little tough to say. I saw some reports that, like, they really love what they've seen this spring. but who cares.

Like, that's really not a thing. So I don't know. This is a tough one to grade, but ultimately, I think I land on this just not being enough for the Reds to, it's too much of a risk

for the Reds to trade them for this. And honestly, there's a little bit of risk there for the Mariners as well. Yeah. I think from the Reds point of view, I'm not really sure where they're pitching depth is right now,

but last that I remember, it wasn't great. And Evans is obviously is someone that should probably be throwing major league innings at some point in 2025. So maybe that holds value to them. And I think it's more my hang up with this, like you said,

like you mentioned, is that is in Carnassian Strand actually better than Brian Bliss, Austin Shenton, you know, some of these other guys, right? Is that actually worth, is it worth me trading from my starting pitching depth to throwing a guy that I don't think is even,

I don't feel confident enough to say is definitively better than like the Shetons and the blisses of the world. So that's really what gives me pause here. So I think I'd probably not do this. I think I'd rather just keep Evans personally. But it's a fine trade. I would say this is a 50. I have, I just,

I don't have a good enough feel for how the Reds value in Carnaccio and Strand. So it's really tough for me to say, So I think, you know, 45, 50 just to be safe. Yeah. I mean, there's certainly risk for both teams here. There are certainly some upside for both teams. But yeah, it is, it's tough to say. Colby and I will take a look at more of your trades in just a moment.

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Let's get back into your trades. Udonis Haslam has a deal with the St. Louis Cardinals. Nolan Gorman for Logan Evans, Ryan Bliss, and Tyler Locklear. Speed demon Tyler Locklear. Stole third today? They didn't even try. Machado didn't even try to cover third. Nope.

So intimidated. When you got that big train coming down at you on the tracks, you just got to get out of the way. He was probably just so stunned by the decision. He was just like he was just frozen like a deer in the headlights. By the way, Cole Tamerson now playing shorts. stop. So is J.P. Crawford injured? Anyways. Is the season? Shortstop controversy. Yeah, exactly. Can he crack? I can't wait for him to hit a double later in this game. Oh, yeah. But anyways, sorry, I forgot what the trade was again.

It was Gorman for Locklear and Bliss and someone else. Yeah, I don't think the Cardinals are ready to give up on Gorman if this is the best they can get. Yeah, it was, it was, it was Evans Bliss and Locklear. Yeah, I agree with that. And also, I'm not a big Nolan Gorman guy. The dude struck out 38% of the time this year in 107 games, by the way. It's not a small sample size. It's not like, you know, Tyler Locklear striking out 40% in like 16 games, right?

Yeah, he really can't play third base or second base either. He's really a first base only. And yeah, when people were pounding the table for him last off season, you know, and people were saying like, yeah, I would trade Bryce Miller and Brian Wu for or Brian Woo for Nolan Gorman. I did not understand that at all.

Yeah, I mean, Gorman is interesting, sure. Yeah. But again, 38% strikeout rate. You look at the,

the lack of defensive versatility. Like, this isn't even really a guy that's like, you can stand at second base. I mean, high France. have to say the same thing. And yeah, so yeah,

Gorman's interesting, certainly. And, you know, if he has a solid season this year, or if he bounces back, maybe. Maybe it's something you approach again this winter. But there's just no real reason to trade for him right now. Is he better than Ryan Bliss? I don't know. Is he better than even Locklear? Probably, but not a guarantee.

And now I have to give both of those guys up to bring him in. I mean, there are probably Cardinal fans. Well, I mean, I don't know. they're listening to this podcast or not. But there are probably Cardinal fans out there that are like, this is insulting. And us as Mariner fans. Is it though?

He was an 87 WRC Plus hitter last year. Yeah. That's what like us out here are just like, yeah, this is too much. And Cardinal fans are probably like, no, this is that like, Gorman's in a former elite prospect. And it's like, yeah, so is Jared Kelnick. Like, who cares? So.

I wouldn't necessarily say that it's too much. I'd probably pay this just to take the shot. on Gorman. That said, I just don't really like the guy. These are three, you know, major league ready guys that could be pretty important to,

depth-wise, they're trading for Gorman. So, you know, it's just one of those things where it's like, in July, if you want to take a shot like this, and Gorman's cut down the strikeout

somewhat significantly. And it's like, okay, let's trade some bulk here and go get Gorman. Fine. But right now, I'm good. So it's interesting.

It's certainly kind of a fun. Like it's not bad because you're like, yeah, if they did this, you wouldn't be upset, but I wouldn't do it. So I think it's probably a 45 or 50 again. Like it just kind of splits that, it just kind of splits that gap right there. So I guess 45 is what I'd say.

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Get snacking and get cracking with a snack that packs a protein punch. Visit wonderful pistachios.com to learn more. You're listening to the lockdown areas podcast. It is fan fiction Friday We got a couple more trades to go over This one comes from the Heat Miser One for one deal Angels get Brian Woo

Mariners get Zach Netto Who says no first? Me I say no first Yeah Yeah I think it deserves a little more conversation than that

But no Yeah Is Zach Netto Played for like the Braves Ty differently? Maybe. Yeah, okay. Because you know, Zach Netto was a five-win player last year, right? Three and a half by Fangraphs.

Okay, so about a four-win player, split the difference. Hey, hit 23 home runs, stole 30 bags, played above average defense, scrub. You get them for four and a, you get them for five years, just like scrub, scrub. Scrub. Yeah, okay. Does it have to, you know, anything to do with the halo that is on his hat? Maybe. I mean, really the question is, how much do you hate Brian Wu and how much do you want to ruin his career? Because that's what going to the Angels will do for Brown.

Yeah, that is very on the nose sending Brian Wu to, to Iran. Now, on the plus side, you sabotage the Angels. Or you just allow them to sabotage themselves. So, you know, you kind of. of screw brian woo but you also screw the angels at the same time so you know it's yeah in all seriousness i think this is a deal that you you have to do feel the mirrors yeah i don't think the angels would take it they might they might they might they might just say angels they might they might they would yeah i think they'd probably look at like i think we can develop a brian woo and it's like

you literally haven't once in like 20 years but sure you're you're you're you're you're delusional. Yeah. So like Netto, he's a good player. Yeah. You know, it's, I really don't care about

trading in division like Ty does. But I do care about scroying. It's not just about that. It's just you, angels. Yeah. I know. Like, am I willing to sabotage Brian Wu's career to get

Zach Netto? Yes. I am. Painfully. But, you know, I'll get over it pretty quick. So, yeah, like in a vacuum, yes. But when you factor in like, who replaces woo and netto?

You still have to do this. Yeah. I think you, yeah. So. Yeah. I think the angels say no. But the angels are kind of like the Rockies where it's like, yeah, I mean, like a good smart team probably says no. But, you know.

So. I'm going to go 60 on this. I like this deal a lot. You like this. It's fun. Yeah. Yeah, I'll go 55. It's certainly interesting.

It's fun. Yeah, I don't think it scores very high on the realism scale. But yeah, this is when we talk about like, hey, what would it take for you guys to trade Brian Wu? Something like this. This is the type of player I'm talking about when you're like, would you trade Wu or Miller for, you know, this, this, this. Like for a 30-year-old with three years of club control making $18 million a year. No. For Zach Netto.

Yeah. For Lawrence Butler, like, we can have conversations about guys like that. Did the Beller extension happen now? Not yet. No. Arthur has a, is this a three-team deal? No, it's a two-team deal. It's a big two-team deal.

I just saw a lot of words on the screen, so immediately my head was like, yep, three-team deal. Nope, it is a two-team deal, Cardinals, Mariners, Wilson-Katreras, and Ryan Helsley to the Marriss. Mitch Garver, Gregory Santos, Michael Royal, Harry Ford, Lazzarro Montes, Tyler Locklear, and Logan Evans. And you also need Contreras

to waive his no trade clause. Yeah, it's interesting. What Contreras waive is no trade? I don't know. It doesn't really matter. We're not going to see this trade happen. This is like super low on the realistic scale.

Right. Probably the most unrealistic thing about it is that the Mariners would commit to $50 million for Contreras, even though he's worth every penny. Yeah. So, yeah. Valuation-wise, like, you're replacing, so basically Contreras is Garver's replacement on the Major League roster, which means maybe Contreras does to catch a little bit, but still mostly first base, DH. Helsley replaces Santos on the roster. Those are both upgrades. And then it's Arroyo Ford, Montes, Locklear, Evans. That's, you know, no major leaguers or no 2025 projected major leaguers.

Maybe Ford, maybe Evans can help out. I just don't care about Locklear. I just don't care about him. As good of a base runner as he is, I just can't find myself getting upset about trading tie lock there for anything. Recently, by the way, I am watching him at the plate right now. He's got a 3-1 count. So, yeah, it's

super unrealistic. Yeah, I think you could look at it and say it's a bit of an overpay. I think you can look at it and be like, who cares if it is? Because your major league roster is definitely better if you make this trade. And again, you get Contreras for

three years and a team option. And, you know, housely you probably only get for a year but whatever right so i think because of the club control of hellsley i think that's why ultimately the mariner say no to this uh because this is just a lot and it's hot even if it's bulk it's high quality bulk yeah uh so yeah i i think you know well you're talking about three top 10 dudes a couple of other guys that are like in your 10 to 15 range right and then Santos. Like Garber, you're fine. Whatever. It's like Garber's not even really

part of this trade. He's just there to clear some money to even out the roster spot. So yeah. Yeah. Interesting, Arthur. It's so low on the realistic scale and it's really low on like the, you know, would the Mariners accept at scale

that I think it's probably, I'll give you credit for taking a big swing here. And definitely thinking outside the box a little bit here. But to me, it's still like a 45, maybe a 40. Yeah. Yeah, 40. I'll go 40.

All right. Last trade of the day comes from Dorian. Mariners get Ryan Mountain Castle and Brian Baker from the Orioles for Las Montas, Logan Evans, and Teddy McGraw. I have said Logan Evans' name a lot today. Yeah. 20. I'm not trading Las Montes for Ryan Maltcastle.

Get out if you wrote that. No, I don't understand Mariner fans' fascination with Ryan Mountcastle. Like, dude's really not that good. He's not terrible. Solid, solid player. You get a 108 WRC plus last year. He can only play first base.

like those aren't insane numbers for he doesn't really get on base no uh you only get them for two more years after this and for a guy who doesn't really walk all that much or put up high on base percentages it's not like he's making a ton of contact strikeouts aren't bad don't me wrong uh but like if you're not going to walk and you're not going to hit for much power like you better not be you better be striking out well below league average numbers and he's not and there's no defensive versatility here whatsoever he is a win and a half player pretty much on the nose a win to a one and a half he's never been a two-win player he's just limited he's probably going to be eight to ten percent above league average at the plate most of that is going to be

batting average and some pop not insane pop he's had some some big power years in shorter sample sizes but he's going to settle in right at about the 430 slug. You know, he's going to hit 260 or whatever. He's going to walk probably 6 to 8% of the time at most, and he's going to bring you nothing on the bases and nothing defensively. Why would you give up Blas Montes for that guy? Like, I can pretty much get the same dude in Thai France for a million bucks. You know?

So, yeah. Ty France might actually walk. He'll at least get hit by a bitch. Yeah, definitely he'll get hit by pitches. Yeah, I mean, like I just Like I mean, heck, even if you want to just talk about what literally just happened Why trade for Ryan Mountcastle when you could just sign Rowdy Tellez to a minor league deal? Like, Teles and Mountcastle bringing the same thing defensively

And Mountcastle's a better hitter, but it doesn't cost me Las Montez To put Roddy Tiles on my 40. So, yeah, this is just an insane overvaluation of This is either insane over evaluation. And Brian Baker is also just kind of a dude, right? So it's not like he's really making up the difference here. And by the way, it's not just Montes that I'm trading here. I'm also having to trade Evans and McGraw on top of that,

which we can have a discussion about just how good those guys actually are, but still. I would trade Evans for Mountcastle, but I wouldn't trade much more than that. So why would I give up Las for, like, if this was Canoe out of that bullpen, like, okay, maybe, but even then, you know, Cano's was not as good as he was the year before. And there's some real question marks there. So, yeah, this is either insane overvaluation of Mountcastle or insane undervaluation of Las Montes. Like, if the Orioles want Las Montes, I'm at least getting Heston Kirstad Plus back. for that guy.

Like I need somebody who can help me in more ways than just being Donovan Salon. He's basically Donovan Salano. Would you trade Las Montes for Donovan Salano? No. So, yeah, this is just, you know, poor valuation of, I'm going to guess this is overvaluation of Ryan Mountcastle. And how valuable he is. He's just, he's not. He's not, he's a fine player.

Yeah. This is a legitimate 20. like I'm not even trying to mess around here. If the Mariners made this trade, I would be furious. Yeah. Yeah. So for that reason, I think it's 20, 25. It's just, again, man, it's like, I wouldn't trade.

I wouldn't love them trading Logan Evans from Mount Castle straight up. I would understand it, but I'd be like, yeah. So Lazz and McGraw on top of that, no. Yeah. Unless Brian Baker is like the best reliever I've never heard of. Like, I know he had to. good year well two years ago now but like it's it's no no no no this is this is a no and that no is preceded by a four letter word that starts with the letter f funk yeah you got it yes all right so

full no yeah full no yeah foul no yeah bun with two ends no Now you're reaching a little bit. F is for friends who do stuff. Do stuff together. You is for you. We can only do 10 seconds. It is for no survivors when you planked it. All right.

Now we're going to be demonetized and you're going to have to explain it to the higher ups. I mean, when you can sing that song, you got to do it. That's my excuse. You have to do it. And I hope you sing along at home.

So it's like country roads. somebody plays that you know what that that would the fun song would be my walkup song and have the whole ballpark the plankton version or the sponge bob version depends on how i'm feeling you're on a heater yeah no survive inning bass is loaded it's the plankton version maybe start of the game maybe it's like a random Wednesday afternoon game it's the sponge bob version okay yeah all right that's going to do it for our show thank you so much for joining us here on the live Lockdown Marriss podcast for Colby Patnode.

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