Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Fan Fiction Friday: Jarren Duran, Dylan Cease, Connor Joe, and More

Episode Date: December 15, 2023

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It's fan fiction Friday. Let's see what you came up with. Colby, hit it. You are Locked on Mariner's. Your daily Seattle Mariner's podcast. Part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. O'Hoy, Sailors, it is Friday, December 15th, 2020. This is Tiding Gazzalus and Colby Patnaud for the Locked-on Marriss podcast.

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the comments below. And if you want to hear from us even more, please consider signing up for our Patreon. You can now get a free seven-day trial to check out the show. The link, as well as our social accounts, is in the description of this episode. This is fan fiction Friday the show where you submit your Mariners trade proposals and we grade them on the 20 to 80 scouting scale. Kachikaku has a deal with the pirates. Connor Joe for Walter Ford and Prolander Baroa. Colby. Connor Joe,

could he help you? Sure. Off the bench. You know, maybe if you really want a really cheap platoon partner with like Dom can's own. If you think Dom needs a platoon partner, which statistically speaking, we don't really have any evidence. needs to be the case, but we watch some of those at-bats.

So you'll be the judge there. But, yeah, it's about $2 million this year for him. He's not an everyday player. Rilanderboro profiles as a at least mid-leverage reliever with high-leverage stuff. And if you can throw a few more strikes, he would be a high-leverage reliever. I don't know how much more you can take out of this bullpen, because right now he is pretty much written in Penn to be a part of the opening day

bullpen, which I, I wouldn't call ideal, but it's the reality of the situations. Well, and we've said this in the past, like they're probably not going to get a high leverage reliever this off season via free, like an established high leverage reliever. So out of the guys that are in your organization right now, he has probably the highest ceiling to be that guy, to be that third guy. And not necessarily take Paul Seewald spot in the bullpen or take that roll on, but to be that third guy that they've been missing since they traded Seawald. Yeah. plus there's an outside possibility that this team may may need to trade Brash or Andreas Munoz to get the bat that they need.

And that's unfortunate that they're put in that position, but that is the position they might find themselves in. So you just don't want to be giving away high leverage arms. They brought in a couple of interesting arms in their trades, but I don't think you can count on any of that. They are less likely to step up and fill in the, you know, seawalled gap than Baroa is. So I also think it's just a it's an overpay for just kind of a run of the mill major leaguer like Walter Ford for him.

I think it's fine. I think if it's Michael Morales, I think you're fine. But I think if you're giving away a prospect with serious upside that is ready to help you this year, I think you're paying a little too much for Conor Joe because quite frankly, I could go give Carlos Santana three and a half million bucks and get roughly the same production at the plate as I would from Conor Joe and keep Peralander Barra. that's just a route I would rather go. So for me, it's an overpay. Kudos for coming up with a name that we haven't really talked about.

You know, it's nice to see trades that aren't just Randy or Rosarena or Lars Neupar. So I'm sure we don't have any of those coming up. But yeah, I would say it's an overpay. So I'm going to give it like 40. I think I'll go 40. I feel like it's a bit too aggressive to say that it's an overpay. we're talking about a guy and Connor Joe who's coming off

he's coming off of a two-win season now the first half of the season is doing a lot of the heavy lifting there 1.9 1.9 Cade Marle was like a 1-0 player in like half the time we crowning him I get it I get it I totally totally get it I'm just saying that there is I'm just saying that there's a decent chance

that Connor Joe impacts your season over the course of more games than Pallander Baroa does in 2024 but that's that's obviously not how it works, right? Because we're talking about a controllable asset here with bro, who has a very high ceiling. I mean, there's definitely a possibility here that he ends up just being a guy that has

really good stuff but can't find the strike zone like we've seen in the past with guys like Gerson Batista and Tiago Vieira, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But it's also very, but he, but yeah, exactly. But there's also a very good chance on the other hand that he is Matt Brasch. So he is Andres Munoz,

that he is that third guy that you, desperately need there on the back end of your bullpen that you're probably not going to go out like I said earlier and get this offseason. So I don't think I would do this trade. I don't think the Mariners would do this trade. I don't think it's necessarily an overpay in the way that Colby is saying. But I think the valuation overall is actually fine. But relative to what the Mariners need right now to where their roster is right now,

what the other options are that are alike, Connor Joe out on the market. I'll give this, because you mentioned a name that we haven't really talked about, I'll give it a 45. I just don't think this is a deal that the Maris would do, though. Yeah, yeah, roll your eyes all you want. All right, next trade here from Rumba Hive Mine.

That's a hell of the name. Perlonda Baroa, once again, for Ryan O'Hern. All right, so does this get your gears going? Colby on a pro lauder Barreirae trade Ryan O'Hern who was hitting pretty consistently in the top four of the Orioles lineup this past year. Yeah, no,

it doesn't. No, because again, like I am trying to I'm trying to build a bullpen on the cheap, especially now since I don't have the money that I thought I had. Baroa is the guy in this bullpen that gives me the most upside for the cheapest price.

And if I'm not going to trade that guy for somebody who I really believe, is like, you know, definitely going to impact my lineup. I'm just not going to do it. And while O'Hern had a nice breakout year last year, there's a large chunk of his career that shows that he's a 4A player. Like, so how much do I want to trust that? Not a ton.

So, and by the way, if I was going to trade Baroa for like to, if I was going to trade Barrow to Baltimore, why wouldn't I just go ask for like Anthony Santander? I think that's reasonable. So I just don't trust O'Hern enough based off of, what, 365 plate appearances. Like, I'm not going to trust that to go and trade one of my better trade chips in the minors for that guy, particularly when this trade chip, when this prospect, I should say, is going to impact my 2024 bullpen. I'm just not making that deal.

So I don't think this is a bad one. I like it more than Connor Joe, but only barely. So I think it's probably like a 42. like because at least Joe's done it a couple of times. Ryan O'Hern has never really done it with the exception of this last year, but O'Hern was better than Joe offensively this year. So pretty similar deal. I think it's a bit of an overpay if you're giving up Boroa for one of these types of guys.

But, you know, I just, I want somebody with a little bit more of a track record than O'Hern. And I want somebody with a little bit more upside than Joe if I'm trading Boroa. So I guess I get this one like a 40, 45 somewhere in that. range. I think the Orioles actually say no to the steel because we know that they're not going to spend a lot of money and O'Hourin's obviously coming off a good year and they've built a really nice offense there in Baltimore and I'll know if they're necessarily going to subtract from that because again they're going to they're not going to spend a ton of money and they've already addressed their bullpen in a pretty big way with Craig Kimbrel and they spent probably the biggest

contract they're going to spend all off season on Kimbril there. So I don't know if Burroa is necessarily worth them trading a guy who again hit in the top. top four, their lineup fairly consistently over the past season. So, but I also have some pretty big concerns about O'Hern like you as well, because, I mean, he doesn't walk at all. And he has posted high strikeout rates over the last few years. I could see him easily regressing in a pretty significant way this, this upcoming year. I just have a bit more concern about O'Hern in terms of just like, I just, I, I, I,

I think he might end up being that 70-ish WRC plus guy that he was for the first few years of his career. And yeah, I feel like, I know this is probably weird to say coming off of the year that O'Hern is and Joe is, but I feel more confident in Joe producing relative to his career norms or relative to what he did this past year than O'Hern. I'll still give it a 40 to 45 somewhere in there, just like the Joe deal. But, yeah, I have some issues there with Ryan O'Hern for sure. All right. So we got a few more traits coming up here in just a moment. But first, a reminder, this episode of the Locked-Oam Airs podcast is brought to you by Fandle. Score early this NFL season with Fandul, America's number one sportsbook. Right now, new customers get $150 in bonus bets with any winning $5 money line bet. That's $150 if your team wins. So if you've been thinking about joining Fandual, there's no better time to get in on the action. The app is so easy to use. and there's a wide range of betting options,

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Go to Lockdown Sports Today on YouTube and subscribe to the first ever national sports 24-7 streaming channel, part of the Lockdown podcast. network your team every day ham swaggerty 69 as a deal here with marlins brice miller gabriel gonzalez lazaro montez and jeter martinez jism and trevor rogers i like trevor rogers i assume you heard us talking about him on our patreon show the other day um we kind of pitched a similar idea of maybe you're trying to uh with josh bell of course at the time maybe you take on josh bell's contract so you can also get, you know, Jazz Chisholm or Trevor Rogers or something like that. But I think the issue with this deal is that Miami's probably not going to trade Jazz Chisholm for pitching.

If Bryce Miller is the best they can get, they're probably just going to hold on to that guy because the Marlins have pitching. Like they have excess pitching. So they're not really looking to add more to it. Even if they get nothing out of Trevor Rogers, they still feel really good about their pitching staff. So I don't think that that's going to be enough to carry this deal. I think if you're looking to. to acquire both of these guys,

I think you're looking at like Harry Ford, Gabriel Gonzalez, and like, I mean, maybe somebody like, I don't know, Josh Rojas or Thai France or, or,

you know, it's going to cost somebody from your major league roster, but it's also going to not, it can't be a pitcher. Like a pitcher can't carry this deal because it doesn't help Miami all that much. So if you're going to get Rogers and jazz, I think it's going to cost.

you two of your top five at minimum, and then probably some pretty good secondary pieces. So I think, you know, if Miami didn't need pitching, I think this deal makes a lot of sense, but they don't need it. So I don't think Miller carries as much weight in this type of deal as he would in, say, a Tampa Bay trade or a Baltimore trade or something like that. So, you know, fun idea, creative idea. I think the valuation's off just because you know, again. I just don't think the two teams line up. Yeah, it's team specific.

Like, yeah. These two type of players on a different team for that package. Yeah, I think that would make some sense. But just because it's the Marlins, you don't, you kind of are in the same spot as they are, right? You have a little bit of a limited budget. Yeah. You feel like you're ready to take a step forward. So you're trying to navigate with a, you know, a limited payroll to jump ahead and take that next step.

And so when those two teams come together in a trade, it's usually pretty complicated. And I just, I don't think that they, uh, they match up too well unless the Mariners are taking on like Josh Bell's contract or something like that, which we've talked about a little bit on the Patreon show. So yeah. Um, yeah, interesting idea. Definitely more creative, uh, than, than some of the other ones we're, we're used to seeing. And so, uh, and I think the valuation is pretty close. I think it's, it's more or less accurate. But just teams specifically, I think it's probably, I don't know, between 45 and a 50, somewhere in that range.

Yeah, I'll give it a 50 because I think the valuation is good. I think it's unique. I think it's creative. I just don't think that the two teams line up. Like I don't, I cannot imagine this deal actually going through that this is actually like a realistic trade that would happen. Because, yeah, like you said, the Marlins, even without Sandy Alcontra right now, still have a ton of pitching as is. they don't like obviously everyone wants pitching no matter what the circumstances are and obviously young controllable starting pitching that already has some established work in major league baseball

is super super attractive um which is why we've said you know when the like when the uh report about the royals being interested in bryce miller came out or in the mariners young pitching rather i don't know if it was specifically miller everyone is like like we said everyone is everyone is every single team is interested in that to a certain degree. But the Marlins trading jazz chasm, who we know, I mean, obviously a lot of concerns there, but if he can stay healthy at his best, he is an MVP candidate. Do they really want to trade that for a position, for, you know, the headliner being at a position of strength for them already? I don't think so.

I can't imagine that being the case. And obviously Trevor Rogers, has the potential to be a mid-rotation starter, just like Bryce Miller. Obviously, I would think that Miller has more upside now at this point in time in his career compared to Rodgers, but I think it's close enough there that the Marlins wouldn't do this deal.

I think there's a lot of reasons for the Marlins not to do this deal. Because then the Marlins have to go out and they have to replace Jazz Chisholm. Yeah. It's going to be a little harder to do. Yeah. So I'll give it a 50, though, because I think it's a good valuation. I think it makes a lot of sense from a lot of different angles, but it doesn't make a lot of sense from a lot of different angles at the same time.

So won't go further than that, but good job overall. So I understand the thought process. I get it. Blair 91 has a deal with the Red Sox. Outfielder, Jaron Duran, and second baseman Manuel Valdez for Bryce Miller and Jonathan Clase. Yeah, I'm not a big Durand fan. And it's mostly because I look at the profile, I look at the numbers, and I go, look, he's coming off of a good here. There's no denying that.

You know, 120 WRC plus, two and a half win player. But I don't, I just look, when I watch this guy play, I look at him and I go, he's kind of a, I think he's an average. He's an everyday average player. and if I'm trading Bryce Miller, I want more than average. Here's the like the upside of Duran though. Really fast guy should be okay in a corner outfield spot. I don't think he's made for center field. There's not a ton of home run power.

So this is a guy who's probably ideally hitting, you know, nine, but probably hits one for most teams. There's just not a ton of pop here. The walk percentages are pretty, mediocre, the strikeout percentages aren't great. They're not bad. They're certainly not bad, but they're not great. And when I look at what I'm going to trade Bryce Miller for, I think if I'm trading him for a guy with,

if I'm trading him because of club control, which Duran is a club control ad, not a impact ad, as of right now at least, then I think I want like potential star if I'm trading Bryce Miller for a club control guy. I don't see Duran as a star. I don't think it's terrible. Because if, you know, if Duran is your starting left fielder, okay.

Like, it's not ideal because he really should be playing center with his, with his, you know, power profile. But obviously that's not going to happen. And Valdez, to me, though, he's just kind of a, he's Josh Roas. Like, I feel like I have that guy already in my back pocket. I don't really care that much about trading Classe. I'm not huge on Jonathan Clossay. There's a lot of red flags there. So overall, I think this deal is, it's not bad.

I wouldn't be upset if the Mariners made this deal like in real life. It's just for me, if I'm trading Miller, I want impact or if I have to get club control, I want potential star. And I just don't think Durand is going to do that playing left field for you, not hitting a ton of home runs, not drawn a ton of walks. Like, I just, I don't, I see him stopping just short of a star quality player. He feels very Andrew Benatendi. He does, yeah, minus the 20 home run power. so right uh and the gold glove defense like he's he's been a tending light so like it's it's not the worst idea i've certainly seen worse but it just it just feels a little

light to me so it sometimes it's just about a feel and i guess i wouldn't be upset if they made this trade wouldn't love it though because i feel like if i'm trading miller and i have to go out and replace bryce miller i need to hit a home run with what i'm getting back or brys Miller, if that makes sense. Because now in this trade, I got to go out and sign a number four starter. And is it worth, you know, is, is Sharon Duran worth that headache for me? No. But it's solid.

I'll give it a 50. Yeah. Yeah. I'll give it a, yeah, 50 to 55 because I do like Duran. I get the thought process here. And also getting someone like Valdez who's already been up at the major league level and has produced a little bit, um, that also helps to give you another option at second base as well. You know, I don't like him as the guy, but yeah, as an option to just kind of get in the mix there, totally.

And Duran, you know, obviously doesn't have the over-the-wall power like you mentioned, but he does slug. He slugged 482 this year. He hit 34 doubles. Like, he does have some power. And maybe there is a tweak there that could lend to some more over-the-wall power. But I think at most you're probably expecting 12 to 15 home runs on the high end a season. How much power does, how? How much power does how does that that power play at T-Mobile going from Fenway to T-Mobile going to Femway yeah going from Femway to T-Mobile obviously going from the short porch there and right field and Femway to you know obviously but not as short clearly

yeah well and obviously the you know lefties do profile pretty well there at T-Mobile Park but you know how much more if at all can you get out of Duran's bat from that point of view at T-Mobile Park I think that's a very fair question question to ask. But Duran is someone that's proven that he can hit for a high average that can slug despite not having the over the wallpower. But again, you know, when we're talking about thinking about some of the other guys that we have talked about with regards to Miller's market and who we would prefer to trade Miller for, Esoc Paredes, Randy or Rosarana, etc.

Do you think that Duran is better than those guys? Yeah. So, and that's also a question for our listeners. that are tuning in right now. Ask yourself that. Would you rather have Jaron Duran than Royce Lewis? Would you rather have Jaron Duran than Issoc Baredes? So I think that's just a very long-winded way of saying, I do like Duran.

If they made this trade, okay, I understand it. But he's not my first choice. He's kind of far from it. Yeah, at some point beggars can't be choosers. looking for more of a corner profile. And I just don't think that Duran is that. But like I said, I am willing to admit that I am low man on Duran for reasons I can't quite explain.

There's just something about his game that I don't think quite adds up to, you know, a 120 WRC plus guy. But I could be wrong. And, you know, like I said, if the Mariners made this trade, I could defend it. I'd be like, okay. No, I see what they're going for here. You're listening to the Lockdown Marin's podcast. Thank you again for making us. your first listen here on

fan fiction Friday we got a couple more of your trades to grade we're going to get to this one from Alex which is a deal with the Cleveland Guardians Bryce Miller Jose Caballero Jonathan Clase to the Guardians for Josh

Naylor I like Josh Naylor a lot but it's two years for a first base slash DH type now great first base slash DH type Josh Naylor awesome awesome bad. But for six years of Bryce Miller of a potential mid-rotation starter, who's already had some really nice success at the major league level,

and I have to throw in more. It doesn't really matter what it is, right? Caboero, Casse, I'm not too high on either one of those guys, but I have to throw in more on top of the six years of a potential mid-rotation starter for two years of a first base slash DH type. I'm good. I'll pass. Yeah, I would really struggle to give up Miller for anybody less, for somebody who has less than three years of club control, unless it's like a star,

which Nailer is not good player, good hitter, not a star. I do think this is probably something close to what it would have to look like, though, to get Cleveland interested. Like you're going to have to overpay for Nailer. I just don't think the Mariners should be. the team to do that. You know, like I could, I could make this trade or I could probably just give up

Claucet and Caballero and go get Harold Ramirez. Like, I'd rather do that and then just keep Miller. So I think this is the type of deal offer you would have to make to Cleveland to get them to listen on moving nailer because they really have no reason to move Nailer. So you kind of have to blow them away. But for me, if I'm the Mariners, this is a non-starter. I'm not interested in that because again, like, I can go get Harold Ramirez for less. And he's not as good as Naylor, but he's pretty close.

And again, I can keep Bryce Miller. So I like Nailor. I think Nailor is a great fit for what Seattle needs. I think he fits the ballpark really well. I think his profile is really set up to succeed at T-Mobile. I totally get why Mariners fans would want Nailer and might be willing to overpay for him a little bit. That's just not me. Like I'm not giving up six years of Bryce Miller for two years of Josh Neeler, let alone adding on a, you know, kind of a useful 4A utility type and Claucet's upside is as much as I don't love Claise as a prospect.

His upside is still very real. So I think this is an overpay. And I don't think it's an overpay for a star. It'd be interesting if Naylor had one more year of Club Control. If I got three years of Naylor, I'd be much more on the fence about this one. but with just two years and I have to add on top of Miller. I don't think I'm in. I'm going to give this one a 30.

We give it like a 35. Last trade of the day. Comes from Seattle or bus. So we got the same exact trade from two separate people in underneath our Fan Fiction Friday tweet. I believe this one came first. I think so.

I'm not 100% sure. So if I mess that up, I am so sorry to Daisy and the dingo who also submitted this same exact trade. One of you, though, I'm going to assume stole this idea from the other because it is the exact same deal, like the exact same. And I have a very, very hard time wrapping my head around the idea that you both just so happened, coincidentally came up with this same exact structure. somebody forgot to switch out of their burner or that or that or that or that which one are you Kevin Duranted or so we got you either way I do actually think this idea is pretty interesting um so we're going to talk about it uh it's a three team deal with the rays and the white socks the mariners get randy a rosa rana Dylan cease Eloy Jimenez and cash from the White Sox. The White Sox get Curtis Mead, Xavier Isaac,

and Gabriel Gonzalez, and the raise get Logan Gilbert, and that's it. So essentially it is for the raise, from the race perspective, Randy Orozarena, Curtis Mead, and Xavier Isaac for Logan Gilbert. The Mariners are trading

Logan Gilbert and Gabriel Gonzalez for Roserana, Seas, Jimenez, and Cash. I don't know what that cash is. You need to be more specific. So Daisy and the dingo said $5 million cash. So we'll go with that. We'll say it's $5 million cash. And then the White Sox get Mead, Isaac, and Gonzalez for Jimenez and Cease.

All right. I think we're all caught up on that. Hopefully you guys were able to keep up with all that. Colby, what do you think? I don't know if this is enough for the White Sox. I like Curtis Mead plenty. Gabriel Gonzalez is a good prospect. He's not an elite prospect.

Like some Mariner fans make him out to be. Um, it just feels like, it feels like a rip off of the three of the three team proposal I had on my solo show last Saturday, just with a different team mixed in. So what was the inspiration for this deal? I wonder. Yes, sure. Because clearly I thought of that idea first, obviously. Right. And that's only an idea that you could ever have and no one else can.

Yeah. Yes. Yes. Obviously. You can only think of three team deals with the raise and the white socks. Yeah. I mean, one was with the Dodgers, but it, it, well, it. It was the Dodgers, the Mariners, and the White Sox.

But, you know, he just so happened to be getting Dillon Ceasneedola Jimenez, which was also in my trade. So whatever. But, you know, using Logan Gilbert, getting prospects and then swapping some of those prospects, yeah. It all smells very familiar here. It's an interesting deal. Certainly, if you're trading Logan Gilbert and Gabriel Gonzalez and you're getting a Rosarana, cease, and Jimenez, you probably have to do it. it. I don't think you, you're in a position to say no to that. While Gilbert is, I think pretty much undoubtedly the best player getting moved in this trade,

you are getting an everyday left-fielder who has All-Star upside. You're getting a number three starter to replace Gilbert, who does have more upside. And you're getting Elo Jimenez, who, while the White Sox may hold a funeral for him every single year, when he does play and when he is healthy, he's pretty good. He's a pretty good hitter. he's a DH only though like that is that is what he is you're not getting away with him uh in the outfield so I think it's pretty good I don't think the white socks are getting enough would be my one concern here I don't know if Curtis Mead and and Isaac and

Gonzalez is quite enough to give up cease and Eloy I feel like they could probably get more if they traded those two guys separately so not bad definitely creative um you know it is unfortunate that Seattle has to part with Logan, but to get a Rosarena, cease and Eloy probably was going to be the case. I just don't think the White Sox are getting quite enough. And I'm not sure if the Mariners would add enough on their end to make this deal happen or if the raise would be interested in adding more on their end. Because from the race perspective, a Rosarena, Mead, and Isaac for Logan, I think that's probably about what they would feel is an appropriate amount. So I'll get this one of 55. It's definitely creative. The value

I don't think is terrible at all. And, you know, it's, it's certainly a, I don't think it's that realistic, but I think it's fun trade. I think it's unique. I think it's creative. I think it, the valuation is about right. I think the three teams actually fit pretty well as trade partners. So yeah, I go to 55.

Yeah, I was going to say that you can definitely see a way where all three of these teams kind of need one another, which is, you know, what you want when you're trying to come up with a three-team deal. Like, what is the actual practicality of this team being involved, right? Does this team actually need to be, can just two of these parties hammer out a deal on their own? Because that's usually what happens with a lot of these three teams deals where it's just like, what is the purpose of this other team?

Like, why are they here? Like, the other two teams can just make these, this same deal with one another. Like, it doesn't really, but like, the race probably don't want C. or they would rather have Gilbert than cease because Gilbert has more club control and is less expensive right now than ceases. And if like the White Sox really want Curtis Mead, right? If that's kind of like one of their goals

and a return for Dylan Seas, then again, if the race don't want Dylan Seas but they want Logan Gilbert, then I can see why the White Sox would try and get involved in this if they want Curtis Mead really bad. I think it's slightly better than a 55, but not good enough to be a 60, so I'll give it a 58.

I think it's really creative. And again, look, there has to be like a three-team deal like premium, right? Because these things are so hard to come up with. And this actually does make sense. Like it doesn't make me want to bang my head against the wall. So, yeah, you get points for that. So I do think it makes a lot of sense in a lot of different areas. And also you, whoever actually came up with this deal first,

there's actual purpose for all three of these teams to be involved in this deal, whereas with a lot of three team deals, that isn't the case. So you also get points for that. So again, 58 on this deal. So good stuff. Good stuff all around too.

Whoever came up with this deal, whether it was Seattle or bus, Daisy and the dingo, or maybe you're the same person. And you just, yeah, you Kevin Duranted yourself. Who knows?

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