Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Fan Fiction Friday: Luis Arráez, Jesús Luzardo, Austin Hays, and More

Episode Date: January 12, 2024

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It's time to grade your Mariners trades here on fan fiction Friday. Colby, hit it. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast, part of the Locked on podcast network, your team every day. Ahoy, sailors. It is Friday, January 12th, 2024. This is titing as awesome.

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please consider signing up for our Patreon. You can now get a free seven-day trial to check out the show. The link, as well as our social accounts, is in the description of this episode. This is Fan Fiction Friday, the show where you submit your Mariners trade ideas and we grade them on the 2080 scouting scale, 20 being the worst, 80 being the best, of course. Let's get into them. And some of these are leftover trades from last week. We were supposed to do fan fiction Friday, you know, last week. But then, of course, on Friday, the Mariners made a couple of trades.

So we're going to be carrying those over to today's show. And if anything is out of date, we will account for that. Anywho, we're going to start here with Joshua. Mariners receive Luis Arise and the Marlins receive Col Young. anti-France. And Joshua adds, like others, I mainly just want to know what it would take from the Mariners,

especially since the Marlins wouldn't find our young pitching enticing. So earlier today, I saw a tweet saying that John Heyman had reported that the Marlins are open to trading Louisa Rise, or they're open to listening to offers. I don't know exactly what the specific wording was,

but Luisarize is apparently, possibly available. And I put out a tweet asking for some buzzer-beater trade ideas for today's show just to get some last-minute deals in possible. And of course, naturally, a lot of them featured Luis Arise. So Colby, firstly, what do you think, as you sulk in your sadness about Kalin DeBore and Pete Carroll, what do you think about Joshua's trade? And then secondly, what do you think about the idea of trading for a rise in general? I don't think any of this matters. I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry

It doesn't seem like you are It seems like you're enjoying this a little bit tie But I'm I'm half in pain The half of your pain I share I'm just not a Huskies fan So I don't really feel anything about Kalan Dab Though I do think Pete Carroll to you dub Yeah

Imagine your wife left you tie That's how bad I'm feeling Even worse I had coach left me Yeah but two of mine did So it's like I lost two wives basically. So what do you know? True. True. So yeah.

Luisarize immediately, obviously, that's going to set off some alarm bells for Mariner fans. And as you guys may or may not recall, I'm a pretty big Luisarized fan. I pitched him last winter. And I think I pitched him our first winter. So obviously, that's an interesting idea. Specifically, the trade of Cole Young and, what was it? Cole Young and Thai France. Yeah. But I don't think Ty France does anything in this trade.

The Marlins already have Josh Bell, who they may or may not be trying to move off their roster. So I guess maybe if they traded Josh Bell, then Thai France would make some sense. But I think Cole Young is in a pure prospect sense. I think he's about the type of player that you would give up for a rise, or at least one of the type of players you give up for a rise. But when I look at what the Marlins are likely going to ask or what they're actually going to, you know, try and get for a rise, I think they're going to look for an up-the-middle player.

Now, the Mariners do have pitching, but like you mentioned, the pitching staff in Miami is pretty good. It's pretty set. They don't really need any more young arms. Not that you can never have enough, but it's not going to be a priority for them. I think what their priority is going to be

is shortstop catcher, center field, someone who plays up the middle. Well, the Mariners aren't given up Cal Raleigh for two years of Luis Arise. They're not giving up J.P. Crawford for two years of a rise. They're certainly not giving up Julio Rodriguez. So what do they have to offer? Not a ton. So it's it's kind of a tight fit. So you pretty much need the Marlins to be interested in prospects, like willing to trade a rise for

prospects. Are they going to do that? Maybe not a lot of teams have a, you know, excess shortstop or excess catching that they can trade the Marlins. It's two of the hardest positions to fill. So is there somebody out there who might give up their? center fielder maybe but the marlins again you have to consider that they're not a team that traditionally spends a ton so they do have some payroll limitations so yeah the arise your arise thing is a little tricky um i think in theory a team like baltimore makes some sense because they have some up-the-middle young guys um whereas seattle really doesn't unless of course again you know Miami really likes, like, for example, Ryan Bliss.

And then you can sell them on like, here's Ryan Bliss. And then here's your catcher of the future Harry Ford. And then here's, you know, Jonathan Closset, who can play center field in theory. Like, I think arise in a prospect only type of package or prospect and a kind of an ancillary major league piece like Thai France in this example. I think that's interesting to Miami. I don't think it's enough for them to pull the trigger though. So Arise is tricky. And so coming up with a good trade offer for him is difficult.

So let's re-familiarize ourselves with the trade that landed the Marlins Arise last year. And so keep in mind, Arise now has two years left of club control when he had three last year. He was already pretty much an elite hitter, but became even more so of an elite hitter this year, 354, 393, 469 slash line. That's a 132 WRC plus. ridiculous numbers, especially on the batting average front. That costs the Marlins Pablo Lopez. Cost them, what, three years of Pablo Lopez, I believe, two years of Pablo Lopez?

Can't remember exactly what it was. It also cost them shortstop prospect, Jose Salas, and outfielder, Byron Cherio, who I believe right now, if we're going off a pipeline, rank as the Twins 15th and 24th best prospects if I'm remembering correctly, respectively. So what do you think now, again, two years left of club control on a rise, but he's coming off of a career year.

He is a perfect fit positionally in terms of what the Mariners need. I mean, like he's not a great defender. Let's say that. But he would be at second base. That would be your second base solution. Right. And the Marlins,

like you mentioned, probably aren't super enticed by your pitching because of what they already have in their rotation. Now, a key to this could be if they trade Jesus Lazzardo, which is possible. And we might actually even talk a little Jesus Lazzardo for the Mariners later on in the show. But yeah, yeah. But what do you think is kind of the like proper value, knowing what he went for last year and now taking all the context of the past 12 months into account?

Sure. I think it's Brian Wu and then I think it's it's tough because you have to balance the value of club control i.e. six years versus three years. And also keep in mind Lopez was a massive question mark. Right. But certainly with more track record than Wu or Miller.

Right. For sure. You kind of have to, is six years of a guy with, you know, 100 innings in the big leagues? Is that worth more? less or the same than a guy who's produced at the big league level, but never really over a full season, but has put up some really impressive, like numbers.

So it's kind of this tough balancing act, but I think for me, if I'm trying to match that offer, I'm probably going woo and then something like Gabriel Gonzalez a little bit, and then maybe, you know, a Las Montes or, you know,

somebody in that range, maybe Jeter Martinez type somebody in the in the you know 12 to 15 range I think you're going to pay a little bit more than than Miami did just because I think that for a team like Miami I think they're going to their value the the I guess the track record over the club control so I mean that could go either way though maybe they maybe they really value Brian Wu's six years and so you can pay less on the back end but again because they have pitching it's a really difficult, like, you know, it's a really difficult road to walk. It's a very narrow path to a deal. So I like Louisa Rise a lot. I think he's a really good fit for this

lineup. You stick him at the top and, you know, in front of Julio or I guess technically even behind Julio. And, you know, I think his bad is good. It's a really good bad and it's what you want in Seattle, but it's just so hard to see them come up with a deal unless there's a three-team deal out there or unless Miami is going to trade some of their young pitching and get the shortstop or the center field or this and then they're more open to maybe clearing some payroll of the rise because the rise is going to make I think about $10 million

this year. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. I think this is a situation where you need a 13. Where you're going to need a third team to help because just knowing what we know right now about the Marlins roster as it currently stands. I think you need a third team that can supply the Marlins with what they want and we'll take a pure prospect package

or one of your pitchers from you. And I think the Mariners ideally would want to trade prospects, right? And I think they're holding on for deer life for their pitchers right now. They're young pitchers, especially because we've talked about this, the more that I've thought about it now over time, because, you know, I was in that boat of trade one of your young starters for the bat or bats that you need. I really drove that this off season.

They're at the start of the soft season. But the more I've thought about it, especially, you know, with the uncertainty about Mariners payroll situation, not just this year, but in the next, you know, a couple of years, if they have to eventually make some tough decisions on someone like Logan Gilbert or George Kirby, you're going to need Bryce Miller or Brian Wu. Like those guys are infinitely more important to you than they feel right now. Sure.

Just off the top of my head, three-team deal. Woo to the Reds, Noel V to the Marlins. and then it's you give you get a rise and then maybe you give the marlins like Gabriel Gonzalez and you get back like Trevor Rogers like you get back a starting pitcher in the deal right and I think Rogers Max Meyer maybe like those guys are a little bit lower on the Marlins step chart just because there's more question marks there so could you get Brandon Williamson from the Reds you might be able the Reds have some starting pitching like I struggle to call depth, but they have bodies.

They have a lot of bodies. Yeah, they have a lot of guys. Yeah. Could you get Connor Phillips back? Could you get Andrew Abbott? Like, I mean, there are some guys that you might be able to get from that Reds team. So I do think a three-team deal could make sense. And we know Jerry's going to be creative about it.

It's just, again, I don't see a way you're trading woo or Miller without getting a pitcher back from somebody. Yeah. Yeah, agreed. Agreed. Because those guys are just so, so important to you right now. And like I said, possibly even more so. in 2025, 2026,

etc. All right, we're going to go over more of your trades in just a moment. Oh, real quick, we need to give a grade

to Joshua's trade. I don't know. I'll give it a 40 just because it's, it's so fresh and it's hard to really like, yeah, it's a really difficult trade

because the Marlins could absolutely love Cole Young and think he's going to be their shortstop next year. And maybe they do that. True. So I don't know. It's,

it's tough. It's so new. I haven't really had a ton of time to think about the possibility. So I'll give it a 40 just to, you know, give it the benefit of the doubt,

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Christian Walker, Drew Jones, and Slade Chaconi. So here's the problem. I like Faf, fine. I think he's a solid replacement. And obviously I'm a big Christian Walker fan. You get Walker for one year. Yeah. That's, you know, and then you're hoping that that basically is as good as Logan Gilbert

when he reaches his ceiling. And Gilbert hasn't even reached his ceiling yet. So no, I think I'm out on this deal. It's enticing, certainly. But Drew Jones is such a big question, mark. Who the hell knows what he's going to do? And then I can't even fathom my guess at the correct pronunciation of the pitcher. I like him.

I think he's, I think I do know the arm. And I am intrigued by the arm. She kind of screams, you know, middle reliever to me, maybe a little bit better. So for me, it's like one year of Walker. A complete lottery ticket in Jones, really a complete lottery ticket on a guy who's probably a middle reliever and then six years of FAP for four years of Gilbert. Yeah. It's not really doing it for me. So I think I'd give it a 45, 40, somewhere in that range because as enticing as it is and it's a lot of names and it seems like a great deal, you're only getting the impact back for one year.

And then you're hoping that the arm you're getting back is going to be as good as Logan Gilbert is now, eventually. right Logan Gilbert is Logan Gilbert but Brandon Fott could be anything even Logan Gilbert yeah exactly and like you said again it's not that Gilbert has like two years of club control left he's got four right so if he did have two years left I would absolutely do this

if he had three years left I consider this but having four years of a guy who's already it's unheard of it's unprecedented trading someone nuts it's just nuts now if they did do this deal I wouldn't be mad like I could understand their thought process behind it certainly, but I just don't think it's enough as as odd as that is.

And you're still going to get a lot for Gilbert if you wait a year and then you can still extract as much value as possible out of, out of Gilbert on your roster, right? Basically it comes down to the question. Is this the best you can do for Logan Gilbert? The answer is yes, then I'm keeping him.

Yeah. But it doesn't mean it's terrible. Yeah. I really like fought. I mean, he's coming off of a, and run in the postseason. Sure. You know, Walker.

I love Christian Walker. He's not a great fit on the team, but you can trade Typhrance and all that. I'm not letting Ty France impede me from getting Christian Walker. DFA Thai France. It means like a Christian Walker, but yeah. Right, right, right. Yeah, and then, you know, Drew Jones. I mean, who knows, but obviously immense talent there, immense raw talent there.

And then, you know, Tricone can certainly help too. I really like the arm. Yeah. Ricky ball. But yeah, I would I would say no to the steel. But I think it's fairly creative. I think it's closer to the mark in terms of what it would require to trade Logan, 45, 50.

Yeah, it's a lot closer than any, than most of the other Logan Gilbert trades we've gotten. Like this one at least, this one at least is like, hmm. Right. I'll think about that. But yeah, probably no. All right. We got a simple one for one here. Another anonymous trade.

Harry Ford for Nillelvi-Marte. It looks very funny, but it's literally just copy and paste it from the Google form. But yeah, that's very little text in the middle of a big screen. Yeah, so Harry Ford for No LV Marte. I think the Reds do this? No. Yeah.

No. That was my first and biggest question there. Yeah. There's just too much risk on Harry Ford. There's really, I mean, And novi-marte is 23 years old. Like, I think if, like, the Mariners want noelvie Marte back, it's going to cost them Miller. Maybe Wu, you know, beauties in the eye of the beholder.

And so just because I would, I think Miller has more value. Doesn't necessarily mean everybody else does, but it's going to cost you one of those two arms at minimum. Right. And maybe a little bit more. So, uh, and I wouldn't add more for the record. Like if, if I want noelvi back, you can have Miller or Wood. and that's it. Maybe you even have to throw something my way to even this tradeout.

So I don't think they're going to do that. I think that like, I don't know if Ford can headline a package for like an like either a young potential all star player or like a like a proven all star level player. I don't know if he's quite there yet. So I don't think there's any way the Reds would even consider this. But, you know, it's definitely different. I'll give you that. It's fascinating.

It's a very interesting challenge. And it's also, you know, funny. I just don't think the Reds do this. I don't think they're interested in that for a second. So, you know. I'll give you a 40. But yeah, I just, I think the Reds are asking for more and I'm out. Yep.

I'm out. Same. All right. We got a few. more of your trades coming up here on the Lockdown America's podcast, but first, a reminder this episode is brought to you by Fanduel. All right, sailors,

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Orioles receive Pallander Baroa, Ty Adcock, and Alberto Rodriguez. The mayor has received Austin Hayes. It's interesting. I'd say that. Now, I think the problem you're going to run into with the Mariners is that you might prefer Pralonder Baroa to Hayes straight up because you kind of have, you know, Austin Hayes on your roster, so to speak, with a couple different, like very similar type of players. And you don't have another prolanderua unless maybe you really believe in Carlos Vargas or somebody like that.

But right now, I don't think you have another proleta barra. You go sign Robert Stevenson, like, okay, we can talk. about this, but certainly not a bad trade. I wouldn't be upset. I mean, I think Alberto Rodriguez is kind of just a throw-in at this stage. But I think it's intriguing. To me, this deal is basically Baroa for Hayes. I mean, more or less in the grand scheme of things.

I think that that's totally fine. I think if I am trading Barua, then Hayes is the type of player I'm going to try and, you know, acquire a, I don't want to say a fringe everyday guy, but not really an all. I know Hayes made an all-star team, but he's not really an all-star if that makes sense. Like, he's not that type of player. So I like the idea, certainly. I just think it's as funny as it sounds that the Mariners might prefer Baroa, the complete question mark, to Hayes, who is a pretty sure bet to hit some. Yeah, he's been a, he's been a very consistent hitter.

Last three years, 100 WRC plus or higher, 106 and 201, 207, and. 2022 and then 112 this past year slash 275, 325 444 it's 2.2 F4 16 home runs, 67 ribs good player I could just I could just go get Tommy fam if I want this type of player yeah

I mean less risk with Hayes certainly but yeah I just don't think the Orioles say yes I think that's what I'm kind of getting hung up on here I know that they need bullpen help you know they just repeat the deal one more time Baroa.

It's Baro, Adcock and Rodriguez, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, to me, that's just Baroa for for Hayes. No disrespect. You know, Adcock and Rodriguez, but they don't move the needle for the Orioles at all. So. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

I know that the Orioles, they need bullpen help and they just signed Craig Kimball to that, you know, big, you know, one-year deal for $13 million. You know, Bautice is out this year. all this year. So I get kind of the logic and the process of this, but given how many question marks there are with Baroa and the fact that the Orioles are probably not going to

spend the money that it would take to I mean, look, they have other options. They have Colton Kalser, they have Heston Kierstead. They have other guys that can play in a corner outfield spot for them to essentially supplement. They sell Moncastle and Santander. Yeah. They have other options to supplement Hayes' spot in their lineup.

But they're pretty big question marks too right now. I just don't know if they would. Do you think they'd be more interested if it was Justin Topa? Maybe. Like somebody with a track record? I just don't know if they're going to step away from that level of certainty in their lineup, relative certainty in their lineup for someone like Baroa who obviously high upside

in the back end of the bullpen, but you just, you don't know if you can throw enough strikes. And like Topa, I mean, topa is a solid, you know, six, seventh inning guy, but is that enough for an everyday corner outfielder who has two years left? I don't know. Now, the other thing to keep in mind here is like, again, the

Orioles aren't going to spend a ton of money. Hayes is getting more expensive. So does that also kind of drive them to want to trade him? Possibly. But they've held on, they've held on to Santander, so. Sure, but I really hate the argument and I see it a lot is that like, if player X was going to get traded, it would have happened already. That's not a thing, guys. that's not a thing stop that that's lazy is what that is um so uh yeah but like we said the oriels we keep on it's kind of like the twins right we keep on saying they're going to shed payroll they're going to shed payroll and yet they haven't done it yet so i i think there's a fine line between like if player x was going to get moved it would have already happened and like maybe we don't

have the information that we thought we did or maybe the information we got was a little bit off and there's an explanation for why player X hasn't been moved yet. No. So is Topa even RAB eligible? I think he's, I think he's a year short. So I think he's pretty, you know,

and Hayes I think has two years left to Club Control. Is he a Super 2? You might have been a Super 2. He has two years left. Yeah. So, you know, four years of Topa for two years of Hayes and Hayes, I don't know what his ARB number came in at yesterday, but I assume it's five, six, seven million bucks.

somewhere in that range. They might consider that. Overall, though, I'll give this a 50 because I think it's logical. We had a very extensive discussion because of it. So for that reason, yeah, 50. Yeah, I think it's logical. I think it's like not the worst idea in the world. I think both sides could say yes.

I think both sides could say no. Like I think that it's, it's definitely a, you know, worth having a conversation about. So I'll give it a 50. Sure. Last trade. We got the show bookended by Marlins trades. This one is a lot of bulk for Jesus Lizardo.

Thai France, Harry Ford, Gabriel Gonzalez, Emerson Hancock, and Ty Pete for Jesus Lissardo, who has three years left of club control. It's an overpay. All right. It's an overfay. I'm not gutting the farm system for Jesus Lazzardo. Sorry, he's not that guy. He's really good. I really want her.

Very good. Very good. Yes. Am I willing to give up four of my top five prospects to get them? Nope. But what I am willing to give up is Harry Ford, Haysoos, Harry Ford,

Ty Pete, Emerson, Hancock, and Gabriel Gonzalez. Is he what I did there? Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Here's the deal. This might be what it costs to get Lazzardo. Yeah. I think you're going to have a hard time getting Lazzardo without

out giving up Cole Young or Colt Emerson. That's kind of my hang up. And I think you might have a hard time getting, even if you included those guys, you're going to have a hard time getting Lazaro because I think that the Marlins, I don't think that they are like we're competing in 2024 at all cost, clearly not. But I think they think they can.

And honestly, they should think that. They have a pretty decent team. Now, they're basically already told Jorge Salere, you're leaving, like we're not interested in you. So there is, you know, there are some holes in that lineup.

So I think you have to give them a everyday hitter. High France is that? I mean like technically, yes. Yeah. But I think we know better. So I think if I can, if I could get Lazardo for Thai France, Harry Ford and Gabriel Gonzalez, I do it. You start throwing on Thai speed and.

I think it's just weird to me that, like, one of the pitchers is not involved here. Yeah. Because, like, the, the Mariners at that point, they're going to have to trade one of the starters anyway. And, you know, what could argue that you're going to get more value out of trade in the, you know, one of the pitchers in a separate deal afterwards. But, right. This just feels like a lot of unnecessary bulk. I know it's a lot. But it feels kind of unnecessary when I think the Marlins would want one of those pitchers back.

And then like, you know, Harry Ford or whatever. They might want Young or Emerson. Like it might cost you Miller and Emerson. Yeah. For Lizarro. And at that point. And it's like, yeah, yeah, because I, yeah, exactly. I'm out too on that because I really like Lazzardo.

And he gives you a left-handed arm that you don't really have right now. Get all, I get the entire appeal of Lazzardo. But I feel like, you know, and it's very possible that Lazzardo. is ready to take that next step and to be in like a Cy Young contender this year. But I also feel like there's a non-zero chance that Bryce Miller, Brian Wu could eventually get there too.

You know? Sure. You get them for six years instead of three. For three. And it's like, you know, like it's kind of the whole like, you know, Jesus Lizardo is Jesus Lazzardo, but Brian Wu. Yeah, Brian Wu could be anything even.

Yeah. Yeah. It's that thing too, right? So I know I'm kind of contradicting myself here a little bit, but I, I don't think it's really necessary for the Maris to do a deal like this right now. Right. I get it, though.

Sure. If you want to talk Jesus Lazzardo and Luis Arise, all of a sudden, one of those pitchers is certainly on the table for me. Yeah. Maybe even both of them, but probably not both. But, you know, if it's Arise and Lazzardo for Miller, uh, young, Ford, and. And, you know, tie France or whatever, then yeah, I'm very interested in that.

So it's just the Marlins are kind of a tough team to line up with, which is a little unfortunate because I do like a lot of pieces on their team, including Lizarro. So it's just it's a really tough team to kind of give a fair gray to because we just don't know a lot about what their plans are, what their goal is for this upcoming year. How serious are they really about trading Lazzardo? And, you know, you try to factor in Hollander saying like 90% of the league doesn't want young prospects right now. And so that's kind of what the Mariners bread and butter would be to offer. Yeah. These marlin trays are tough, man. They're really tough. Yeah.

So I just sound like they're a great fit. Yeah, unfortunately. Because I would love Lazardo. I would love a rise. I would love Trevor Rogers. Obviously, Max Meyer. I would love him. Or is it Max Myers?

You tell me, Ty. It's Meyer. There you go. No us. Yeah, I'd be a big fan of that. I like Hesu Sanchez. Like, it's a fun team to look over. And Josh Bell makes some sense if you trade Thai France.

So, and we have heard that the Mariners did check in on Josh Bell. Just throw that out there. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it's, it's an interesting trade. It is bulk, but it's also not like a lot of the time on fan fiction Friday. Like the bulk deals we see are like, here's four players. I was going to DFA anyways.

Give me your All-Star. Right. This is not that. This is a lot different. This is a lot better. So, yeah, yeah,

um, I'd say, I'll split the difference. I say 45. Like, I think it starts a conversation, but I don't know if either side is interested in this trade, which is maybe it's a good thing.

Maybe it's a bad thing. 40, 45 somewhere in that range, I think. 42 and a half because I know you love that. I'll go 40. I'll go 40. I just,

I don't think it's necessary. I, like Lazzardo, I think there's a lot of upside there like in the immediate but you have guys like that in your rotation and you have upside high, very high upside guys on the back in your rotation of Miller and Wu

who could eventually be Lazardo-esque starters as soon as you know, 2025 if not sooner. Yeah, I'll pass if I got to add multiple top prospects of mine into the steel to get

him. I just, I don't think it's necessary. Yeah. The big Lazardo fan, though. So would not be upset. All right. So thank you all for all of your trades. That's going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Locktime Marrars podcast for Colby Pat Node. I'm Tadang Gonzalez. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at L0 underscore Mariners. You can follow me at Tadang Gonzalez and Colby at C-Pat 11. That's C-PAT-1. You can also find all that stuff in the description of this episode.

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