Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Fan Fiction Friday: Noelvi Marte, Yandy Diaz, Wilmer Flores, and More

Episode Date: December 8, 2023

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Starting point is 00:00:58 You can now get a free seven-day trial to check out the show, the link, as well as our social, accounts is in the description of this episode. It is fan fiction Friday. You send us your Mariners trades and we grade them on the 2080 scale. Let's get into them. We're going to start here with Dan who has a one for one deal with the Cincinnati Reds. Brian Wu for Noel V. Marte. And this comes off the hills of the Reds signing Jemir Candelario. And there's some reports out there that say that they want to trade one of their infielders for some rotation help. So this could make some sense. Colby, what do you think?
Starting point is 00:01:31 pass you know it's certainly seen a lot worse on fan fiction Friday that's for sure but I don't know I feel like if I'm trading Brian Wu then I'm trading him for something more established than
Starting point is 00:01:50 Noel V Marté who's 22 years old I also wonder if even the Reds would do this now kind of the thing with the Reds right is that obviously they want to trade Jonathan India but you're not trading Wu or Miller for Jonathan India. We've been over this. But yeah, it feels like McLean and De La Cruz, they're not getting moved, right? So Candelario obviously not getting moved.
Starting point is 00:02:14 So then it becomes Spencer Steer, Noelvi Marte, and Carnaccio and Strand, India. So, yeah, it's interesting. I saw a lot of people point this out, like they think it would be like a dunk on Jerry if they had to trade Brian Wu for Nelvi-Martin, it's like, it wouldn't be. Like, if you like Noelvi and you think he can help you next year, then fine. I would just prefer to trade Wu for somebody who has more than 120 at-bats in the big leagues. Sure. 120 good at-bats, though, to be fair.
Starting point is 00:02:49 Yeah, 120, like a 120 WRC plus and 0.7 wins and about a fifth of a season. You do the math, and you do have a long-term need at third base. but I just don't think there's a, I think there's a good chance, I should say that Eureas is actually better than Noelvi this year. Are you going to play Noelvi at second? Probably not. He's probably third base only.
Starting point is 00:03:12 So I think if I'm trading woo, I would do it for somebody who I like the track record of better. But, you know, overall, it's a really fun challenge trade. It's somewhat similar to Paneda for Montero. Hopefully this one would work out better for you than the last one.
Starting point is 00:03:28 but yeah so not my cup of tea not what i would like to do with woo but it's far from you know bad uh so i guess i'd probably say like for me personally 45 overall i think it's a solid 50 yeah out of the infield options in cincinnati that are feasibly available i would say more taste probably my second favorite behind steer and ahead of incarnassian strand and India. India would definitely be fourth on that list by a mile, to be honest with you, given what I think it's probably going to cost there. Yeah, you know, I would like a bit more track record as well for if I'm trading Wu, especially if they're not going to spend the money it takes to go out and get a starter. But I do like the trade. I do like this idea a lot. I think the valuation. is pretty much on point.
Starting point is 00:04:27 I think, like you said, it's a good challenge trade. I just don't know if that's specifically what I want the Mariners to do in terms of trading one of their starters. I don't know if that's exactly the kind of return that I particularly want, but that's also, you know,
Starting point is 00:04:40 based off of assumptions that I'm making that might not actually be true. You know, I'm making the assumption that they might be able to get X for Bryce Miller or Wu, right? I'm thinking that maybe they could get like Randy or Rosarena for Bryce Miller.
Starting point is 00:04:53 But if not, and this is the alternative. I'll give it like a 50 to 55. Next trade here, it's actually a double trade post from Stan, Miller, and Thai Pete for Yandi Diaz, and Manuel Margot, and then Thai France and Emerson Hancock and Jonathan Clase for Max Kepler, Jorge Polanco. So it's basically one goes into the other.
Starting point is 00:05:19 You trade for Yondi, that means that Thai France doesn't make a ton of sense on a roster, still would make some sense. you end up trying to flip him to Minnesota for Polanco and Kepler along with Hancock and Class A. So the raise deal first, I think we should go over here, Colby. So what do you think about Miller Plus for Yandi Diaz? It's only two years of Diaz. Margot is kind of a platoon-only guy. That's pretty steep for Miller and Pete, I would say.
Starting point is 00:05:54 You know, you wouldn't think it would be because a Rosarin is a worst hitter, but he has three years. So it's not bad. It's not bad. But I think individually this trade, I would look at it. I think it also depends on how you value Margo. Do you value him just as a salary dump and you're taking him on in hopes of softening the blow of the trade? Or do you actually think that he's a good player that can contribute? I think he's a useful player.
Starting point is 00:06:22 But I think it's as a role. guy, a bench guy. Like, I don't want him to be one of my everyday outfielers next to Julio. Right. So, yeah, I think it's a bit, a bit too much for me to give up for Diaz and Margot, also in addition, because of Margot's salary, which I think is $10 million this year. $1,000 plus a $2 million buyout. Yeah, that's quite a bit for, uh, that's quite a bit for a, you know, a fourth outfielder. So I think this one's a little bit. I think he would be a platoon partner with Canzone would be the idea if they got Margo. So. And with Canzone, the odds that he would have to become an everyday player. Pretty good.
Starting point is 00:07:01 Well, and also you're going to run into more righty pitchers than lefties. So naturally, Margo isn't going to get into the lineup as much as Canzone. So also. Yeah, so individually this trait, I'd probably give it like a 45. Like, I want to be upset if they did a deal like this. Like Diaz is a good hitter and he helps you. And Marco is a solid player. And he helps you in Taipei is at least four years.
Starting point is 00:07:27 away from helping you at the big league level. Yeah. But there's that star potential. And obviously now you have to go out and you have to replace Bryce Miller in your rotation. And it's not like you got a couple guys who are making league minimum out of this deal. This is going to eat a significant chunk of what we think Jerry DePoto actually has available for him to spend. Yeah. I mean, we're talking about a hitter who gets on base 40% of the time has done that back. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:52 Like, you know, so like that there's a. I'm willing to pay a nice price for that, but also... It would be hard to be upset about that. Yeah. But also, you know, it's only two years of that guy. And there's obviously like some downsides to Yandi Diaz. He's only a first base DH type. He doesn't hit for a ton of over-the-wall power.
Starting point is 00:08:16 I think Diaz is a good fit, though. And how you, how much you value the years, right? When you're like comparing, say, Yandi to Randy of Rosa Rana or Isak Paratus, et cetera. Right. Part of that is positional fit too. Diaz is a first base only. That essentially, it doesn't make Ty France expendable, but it doesn't make him a great fit for the roster. Still a decent fit. He could coexist on the same roster as Yandi Diaz
Starting point is 00:08:45 because you have the DH spot wide open. So that's not really a major concern here. But Stan's idea here is to turn around and then trade France plus Hancock plus class A to the twins for Max Kevester. and Jorge Polanco who and the twins are apparently trying to dump some salary. Those guys are making some money. They're towards the end of the contracts. So it makes sense that they would be the two guys for the for the twins to first try and offload.
Starting point is 00:09:13 So what do you think about that idea? I think these two deals together. Well, I certainly like, you know, Diaz and I'm a big Kepler guy and Palant. Like this definitely makes your major league roster better. The issue with the trades together as a whole is that you're giving up Miller and Hancock and you've already lost Marco. Where are you getting the starting pitching from? Because I don't, obviously, you know, there's more to the offseason than just these two trades. But you look at these two, these, you know, four guys when you add them up and you take away the major league salaries for the guys the Mariners are given away, you're still adding about $26 million, give or take.
Starting point is 00:09:51 that's not counting buyouts for for polanco and margo that might be all you have so how do you get the pitching that you need because at that point if you trade miller like Hancock's in the rotation he's the number five well now if you trade Hancock who's in the rotation because i mean like Taylor dollar isn't even healthy right now is jackson co are the number five starter in this scenario that's tough so obviously i don't want to hold that too much against Stan because we didn't ask for an offseason plan. We asked for a trade. So assuming you had the money or the resources in place to get a legitimate number of pretty much number four starter in a separate deal.
Starting point is 00:10:37 I think this is, it's interesting. I think when you combine them together, it checks a lot of the boxes the Mariners need to fill and does it relatively cheaply in terms of money. Like getting three everyday players and a fourth outfielder for, you know, $30 million is really good value. So I think I'd give these combined. I'd give them like a 50. I understand what you're going for. I'll give the raised deal of 50. I'll give the Twins deal 55, actually.
Starting point is 00:11:05 And then we'll say both of them combine like a 50 to 55. Call it 52, whatever. Sure. Yeah. All right. More of your trades coming up here in just a moment. But first, a reminder, this episode of the last, Lockdown-Ares podcast is brought to you by Fandul.
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Starting point is 00:14:04 And once again, I did not think of one. So Colby, the ball's in your court, my friend. Question of the day. I think this question has an obvious answer and an obviously correct one, so it's not really a, but it's a pumpkin, would you classify a pumpkin as a fruit or a vegetable? It has seeds, so.
Starting point is 00:14:28 It's a fruit. Yeah. Yep. If you think you can argue the opposite, go ahead and try. I was always told that. If it has seeds, it's a fruit, so which, yeah. But tomatoes and
Starting point is 00:14:44 stuff like that, they feel like vegetables. They don't feel like fruits. So like I just based off of vibes, I would call a pumpkin, a vegetable. But agreed from a from a technical standpoint, it's a fruit. There are any botanist out there that can help us here? Let us know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, let us know.
Starting point is 00:15:03 But then are like flowers. Or is it a horticulturist? Are flowers fruits then that point? Maybe they're just a different category. It's like they're coming from season, whatever. Whatever, we're getting two in the weeds. Aha. Back to your trades.
Starting point is 00:15:21 Dower Optimus has a deal with the Giants, Wilmer Flores, for Jose Caballero and Emerson Hancock. We've had a Wilmer Flores deal on here in the past. I like the idea. He hit really well this past year. What do you think about Walmart Flores? First of all, great at. Speaking of flowers, Flores, flowers.
Starting point is 00:15:44 There you go. you proud of yourself yes yeah okay yeah uh so the deal with flores um a little bit i franceish where it's like he's first base dh only now he can still play stand at third base but he's not good over there let's put it that way he's coming off a career year so that's always a little bit of a concern uh when you're paying for a guy's career year especially when it comes at the age of 31 yeah but it's hard to ignore a 136 wrc plus Plus, he also doesn't strike out in the last three years. He's really improved his walk rates as well.
Starting point is 00:16:24 So he's a, you know, to use a really like annoying term, he is a professional hitter, right? He puts the ball in play, draws some walks. He's got some pop much better against lefties and righties, but so plenty good against righties. But you get him for this year and then there's a player option for next year. So it might be one year, it might be two years. It's your guy coming off a career high. All that being said,
Starting point is 00:16:52 I don't know. This is enough to get them. Like the Giants seem like they want to compete next year. Yeah. And like Cabiero, fine, whatever, but I don't think he's moving the needle at all.
Starting point is 00:17:04 And then Emerson Hancock, I think, you know, if the Giants want pitching, they'll just go out and buy some. They've done it in the past. Like the Giants are not afraid to spend. So,
Starting point is 00:17:13 uh, I don't know if this is, enough to get them. Maybe it's an overpay. I just don't have a good grasp of Flores's value on the trade market because again, he's coming off a great year, but it is a career year at 31 years old.
Starting point is 00:17:28 And a guy who's versatility, which has been a huge calling card of his career early, more or less gone. He's a first base. D.H type. Well, what do you think is a reasonable expectation for regression for Flores? And you've got to factor in T-Mobile Park here. I would say a one going from 136 to like a 115 WRC plus
Starting point is 00:17:51 seems pretty reasonable. So then at that point is that worth Emerson Hancock Jose Caballero to you? I would say yes. For one year? For one year I would still say yes.
Starting point is 00:18:02 I'm not a big Hancock guy. I'm not even though I've Right, you think he's Kyle Gibson. Yeah, even though I've comped him to like an 11 year veteran who just got another 12 million bucks or whatever. Like yeah,
Starting point is 00:18:14 I hate Emerson Hancock. Trash. Cabrero is like AAA depth to me. I know he had a nice year by F-4 and all that stuff, but like I think we saw who Cabierro is when you play him every day. He's not that guy. So I don't know if he carries enough weight in this trade. So it's one year of Flores for six years of Hancock.
Starting point is 00:18:39 I think I might be able to do better. But also I'm not sure. I'm really not sure. So, yeah, I think I'll just give this one like a 45, 50. Like I can't say it's a bad trade. It's thought provoking. Yeah, it definitely.
Starting point is 00:18:52 I'm not really sure how to feel about it. Yeah. Because I think it could work both ways where the giants say this isn't enough. And the mayor say that's too much. Yeah. Really depends on how they feel about Hancock and their pitching depth and whether or not they think they can add to their rotation. Yeah. Yeah. Which based on Jerry's latest comments wouldn't seem to be the case.
Starting point is 00:19:10 But also everything you hear from GMs this time of year, typically a lie or or the truth is being stretched a little bit. So it's tough to say. Yeah. Did I give it a grade of 50? Okay. Lots of 50s today. Yeah, a lot of 50s.
Starting point is 00:19:27 Good job, guys. I'm proud of you. Daisy and the dingo. One for one with race. Prolada Borrella for Jonathan Oronda. 20. Man. Jonathan Aronda sucks.
Starting point is 00:19:39 You hate Jonathan Aronda. What did you? Nothing. But is he better than, is he better than, Josh Rojas. Is he better than Ryan Bliss? Oh, okay. Relax here.
Starting point is 00:19:54 He started hitting this year. And again, I ask, is you sure he's better than Josh Rojas? Are you sure he's better than Ryan Bliss? Does he need to be better than Josh Ross for you to add him to your roster? I don't know. Yes. I don't know about that. He can only play.
Starting point is 00:20:11 By the way, he's not very good. He's a first base only type two. the way. Like he can stand at second base, but again, please don't make him. So if he's a first base DH only, it's the guy who's got what 91
Starting point is 00:20:29 played appearances at the big leagues. I think I'd rather take the shot that Baroque could be a high leverage arm because you know what? He had 103 this year. And then he had 87. I'm sorry, sorry. I was looking at projections. 190. So 190. 190. Yeah. And 89 WRC plus. No,
Starting point is 00:20:47 defensive value whatsoever. I mean, I think I'd rather take a shot on, I'd rather take a shot on Baroa being like a good back in reliever because I need that more than I need a first base DH type who hasn't hit at the big league global. Sure. Fair point. Fair point. I don't know. I like I like a Ronda. I think there's a bigger Ronda guy. I think there's a pretty good hit tool there that hasn't been fully a fun trade that would like put me in some kind of like, uh, like, state of, I don't know, even what you call it.
Starting point is 00:21:20 Emerson Hancock for Jonathan Aranda, just like, yeah, yeah, it's that, it's that, well, I think I'll give this one like a 40. I just, I'd rather take the shot on Baroa because Baroa right now is filling a position I need to fill in Aronda, like if I'm going to roll with a full-time DH, I just, I'll just go get, you know, give somebody three million bucks to do it, uh, like Carlos Santaana. So, uh, like I'd rather just pay whatever it is for all by WRC plus like that he's essentially he was essentially Carlos Santana this year by WRC plus standards and Santana's over the wall power. Yeah. Yeah. Santana's a proven player more pop. He plays in the
Starting point is 00:22:05 clubhouse. Yada yada. So, uh, yeah, like I, I wouldn't hate this like I could understand why the mayors would do it if they did. I just, I think this is like super. realistic. I think it's very, very, very realistic. Yeah, I think so. I would just, for me, I would just rather have Baroa. He just, I think he fits the ball clubs needs more. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah. And I think, yeah, right now you really need a high leverage arm, another high leverage arm. And it doesn't seem like they're going to go get that guy that is at least established to be that guy. Maybe they have someone in their organization that can be that guy. And maybe that guy is going to be an astroon. I'm going to be so sad.
Starting point is 00:22:45 Yeah, I know. I saw that report that said he was talking to the Astros and the Angels. That's an L. Darn you, John Stanton, darn you. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, I mean, maybe that guy is Pralanda Baroa. And yeah, that's probably worth it to you more than whatever Ronda can be for you this year. I know you really need the offense, but you probably should be looking at more proven offense. And then if you're not going to spend the money on relievers,
Starting point is 00:23:15 then you probably should have one of your more high upside guys, or you should hold on to one of your more high upside guys. Did you see him pitch in game 162, Ty? Did you? I did it, and it pissed me off because they could use that quite a bit over the last stretch there. But I digress. All right. Bryce here has a deal with the brewers.
Starting point is 00:23:38 Christian Yelich, Devin Williams, Willie Adomis, and $20 million, $5 million per year on Yelich's contract for Colt Emerson, Johnny Formello and Walter Ford. I'm just going to tell you right now, the $20 million isn't worth it for me to still, even with how much I love Devin Williams, and I love the idea of Devin Williams and the Maris Bullpen. And I really like the Adomis idea too.
Starting point is 00:24:02 And I think that there is a point that you can go to where I do like taking on Yellich, but this isn't it. I still have to give up two of my first round picks this past year. and still pay Yell it's $21 million a year for the first four years of the contract that I have before and then 26 again
Starting point is 00:24:23 for what the last three last two however long it is that's yeah that's still a bit much for me if you can turn Yellich into like a $12 million player then we can talk but I don't even know that's enough now
Starting point is 00:24:40 with the well yeah there's also that There's also that, right? Yeah. Because like, I mean, Adomis and Williams, they're going to make 20 million bucks between them. Yeah. So you're going to add $42 million in payroll that might not be there, and you're not adding a starting pitcher.
Starting point is 00:24:58 Like, I don't want to trade Colt Emerson. I'll trade Formello. Like, and I like Farmello fine, but like I don't want to trade Colt Emerson, particularly, again, if Christian Yellich is just going to be a $21 million year player for the next four years. and then I sought to pay him three more years after that at 26 million. Yeah. That's just I'm out.
Starting point is 00:25:18 I'm out. It's one year of Adomas. It's two years of Devin Williams. I think Adomas makes some sense. I think Devin Williams makes some sense. I don't know if Yelich makes any sense anymore unless he's, you know, again, like a, if he's a seven-year, $60 million contract, like that's what you're absorbing. Fine.
Starting point is 00:25:41 But you start to get any. higher than that. And it's just like, I don't think it makes a lot of sense for Seattle where they're at right now. And would the brewers even take this package of their eating 50 to 60% of Yelich's contract? Because they probably get more. They just divvied these guys up. They just trade Williams by himself. Yeah. So it's it's a 30, 35 for me. I like the aggression on it. But it's just, it's not realistic enough for me to give it a super high grade. I'm going to give it a 30. Next trade here from distraught, Bryce Miller and Jonathan Classe to the Guardians for Josh Naylor and Nick Sandlin.
Starting point is 00:26:25 I don't think Cleveland's interested in that. Cleveland's really good at developing pitching on their own. They typically don't need to go out and trade for it. So I don't think Miller's going to carry as much weight in a trade with Cleveland as he would with other teams. nailers are really good fit for Seattle. But honestly, Naylor also seems like the guy that Cleveland's going to extend to like a five-year, $30 million deal.
Starting point is 00:26:53 We're going to look up and be like, you took that. So I don't see it. I think just in a vacuum, you get these guys off of teams and you just say, are they worth each other? Depending on circumstance, yeah,
Starting point is 00:27:06 I think that the valuation is roughly right, but just in a vacuum, but it doesn't work that way. of to me, I don't see this as being that realistic. I don't see Cleveland as being a good trade partner overall, but also definitely not for Miller. So I'm going to say, I don't know, 40. I would say from a valuation standpoint,
Starting point is 00:27:30 this is a 50. I don't know if the guardians would do this, though. So I would probably give it like 40 to a 45. Last trade here from Jordan. How about a trade with the Oakland A's? Brent Rucker and Estuary Ruiz, as well as Joey Astis, or Brian Wu, Taylor Tremel, Zach DeLoch, Axel Sanchez, and Prolander Barraa. I think the Mariners are probably looking to add some speed to their lineup.
Starting point is 00:27:59 I think Ruiz also a pretty good defender. Probably not as good as he should be, considering how fast he is. But he's also, I don't know if he's an everyday player. Like, there's a little Billy Hamilton here. here and Hamilton as fun as he was when he got on base didn't get on base enough to be an everyday player all that long. So a little bit of a risk with Ruiz, you know, carrying a lot of this deal. Estes is kind of a just a number five type of guy who struggles to throw strikes sometimes. Like that's not great. Not a ton of command, but, you know, kind of average,
Starting point is 00:28:34 slightly above average stuff. He's the number five starter. So pitching depth, fine, whatever. Rooker is a guy I like a lot. Yes, he's going to strike out, but again, he doesn't strike out because he chases. It's not like he doesn't have a handle of the strike zone. He just swings really hard, and he swings through stuff. There is a chance that Seattle could actually help him cut down on his strikeout some. And if he was at 28% instead of 32% on the strikeout rate, then he's really good. He was already like a 120 WRC plus bat last year, crushed lefties, more than handle his zone against Rides.
Starting point is 00:29:05 It's the type of power that plays in Seattle. I can't really play in the outfield. I mean, he could stand out there. Probably not much worse than Teoska Hernandez, but you guys remember that, right? So, yeah, not a good defender. You want him playing first base or DH. Ruiz put him in left or right.
Starting point is 00:29:24 Doesn't really matter. Probably left field is better for him. You put him at the end of your lineup. Rooker goes in the middle of your lineup. For Wu, Tremel. I mean, Tremel, Deloche, Axel, is I really don't care about. You know, no disrespect to those guys.
Starting point is 00:29:40 Love Taylor, the person, seems like a great dude. And I do think that the Mariners are going to trade him. And he's going to have a year where he puts up like a four and a half, five-win season just out of nowhere. But because that's just the way it goes. But are you saying same old Mariners, Colby? Sure. Woo and Barrow for Rooker and Ruiz to me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:01 That's a bit of an overpay. I think you can get Rooker for bulk. and I don't think Ruiz is a future All-Star or anything like that. So I don't think he's worth Brian Wu. No. So I think this is an overpay. Yeah. It's certainly interesting, though.
Starting point is 00:30:18 We haven't talked about Ruiz at all. We barely talked about Rooker. Honestly, I think Tremel, Deloche, Sanchez, Baroa probably get your Rooker by himself. And then is Brian Wu worth Estuary Ruiz and Joey Estes? I'd rather just go without at that point. Yeah. If you replace Brian Wu with Emerson and Hancock, I can talk myself into it. I legitimately think for Rooker on his own, you can get him for like, like probably Clase, Morales, Sanchez, Trammell, something like that.
Starting point is 00:31:02 maybe you add Hancock and you take out Morales if they're not a big fan of him. But I think if you're looking at one, I think you're looking at two like top 12 to 15 prospects and then a couple of top 30 guys, just for Rooker. So Ruiz, I wouldn't give up much more than that for Ruiz. And if I had to choose, like if I could give up that same package for Ruiz or for Brent Rooker,
Starting point is 00:31:27 I'm giving that up for Rooker over Ruiz. Right. Right. Those two guys even combined, they're not worth Brian Wu to me. But, you know, both of them aren't making any money. And both of them would be in the Mariners' everyday lineup. Ruiz, again, would be on probably hit eight or nine. And Rooker would probably right now hit four or five somewhere in that range.
Starting point is 00:31:47 So, yeah. I like the two players. I like the creativity behind it. It's a bit of an overpay. I think it would be anyway. So I would say probably a 40. Yeah. Woo gives me a lot of pause.
Starting point is 00:32:01 I'm going to go 40. Yeah, I think that's probably about right. And that's at most. I was almost about to give it a 35, to be honest with you. Yeah, just Baroa and Wu. I don't think you have to give up either of them to get Rooker. I don't think you'd have to give either of them to give up Ruiz. And just because you put those two guys together,
Starting point is 00:32:18 I don't like that that's making me give up either of those guys, let alone both of them to get, you know, Ruiz and Rooker. So, yeah, fun, fun deal, creative, certainly. Some names we haven't talked about. so I'll go, I'll go, yeah, 40. Yeah. All right, that's going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Lockdown Mariners podcast.
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