Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Fan Fiction Friday: Randy Arozarena to the Mariners?!

Episode Date: December 23, 2022

It's been a few weeks but we are back with another Fan Fiction Friday, where we look at trades submitted by you, the listener, and grade them on the 20-80 scouting scale for creativity, value, and rea...lism. On today's show, we looked at offers for Randy Arozarena, Bryan Reynolds and many more! Subscribe and leave your best trade idea in the comments down below!Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: lockedonmariners@gmail.comFollow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/NHTSADrive sober or get pulled over. Click HERE to learn more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:01:02 Thank you to everyone who submitted trades. We're going to get to about eight of them on today's show. Colby, we haven't done this in a couple of weeks. So for those that might be new to Fan Fiction Friday, maybe this is their first Fan Fiction Friday episode that they've watched or listened to. Could you quickly run down how this works? Sure. Essentially, you guys send us your bad trade offers.
Starting point is 00:01:26 We try to find a nice way to tell you that they're bad. And then we grade them on a scale of 20 to 80. the traditional Major League Baseball Scouting scale, 20 being, you know, amongst the worst we've ever heard, and 80 being like the best trade in the history of trades, which we will never get. So, which is fine. They're really hard to come up with.
Starting point is 00:01:47 Most of the trades land between 40 and 50, somewhere in that range, and that's about average. You know, and we grade on creativity, we grade on realism, and we grade on the value going back and forth. And these are just, you know, our opinions, obviously. we don't have the inside information. We have no idea how the Marlins value Bryce Miller. We just, we don't know, right?
Starting point is 00:02:09 So we're guessing a little bit here and there. But yeah, that's pretty much it. And then, you know, if we like your trade, you get nothing. If we hate your trade, you get nothing. So it's really not that big of a deal. Is there a Christmas bonus at all for the scoring this episode? No. Yeah, I figured it is fun.
Starting point is 00:02:25 Why did I even ask the question? All right. Let's get right into the trades. First one comes from Paul. Paul's got a very aggressive offer here on Brian Reynolds. Jared Kellnick, Matt Brash, Bryce Miller, Chris Flexen, and the competitive balance round A selection
Starting point is 00:02:40 at number 30 for next summer's draft for Pirates outfielder, Brian Reynolds. Colby, what do you think? I refuse to grade a Brian Reynolds trade. We didn't, we didn't say Brian Reynolds. Brian Reynolds wasn't involved in the rules. It was Otani and who else? Who was the other one?
Starting point is 00:02:59 Okunia. Ocuna. That's right. Yeah, we're adding tatees to that, too, by the way. Oh, yeah, yeah. And after today, Brian Reynolds, executive decision. Yeah, so that's a pretty interesting trade. Again, the reports have come out that the pirates want, you know, a starting pitcher,
Starting point is 00:03:15 who's ideally really close to Major League ready to be the headliner of this deal. They trade Ryan Reynolds. And the Mariners don't really have that, at least not that level of guy that other teams who are interested in Reynolds can offer. We've heard about Tideman. We've heard about Harrison. We've heard about who's the other Miller, whose first name is escaping me right now.
Starting point is 00:03:39 Yeah, Bobby Miller. From the Dodgers, we've heard about all these guys. And the mayors don't have that guy. So if you're going to make a trade with them, you kind of have to trade bulk, but it's got to be really good bulk, right? You're not going to give them five top, you know, five prospects ranked between 10 and 15 to get this done.
Starting point is 00:03:58 So Brash, we don't know how much value. that's going to hold to the pirates. It depends if they think of him as a starter or reliever. There's some value there. That's for sure. Kelnick, it feels like he has to be involved in this trade. I mean, there's it, I mean, if you're acquiring Brian Reynolds and you're the Seattle Mariners, you have no use for for Jared Kelnick. You can pretty freely put him in this trade. I don't know how much value flexin's going to have to the pirates just because he's making some money and, you know, just kind of a guy. That's the thing that I get hung up on here with this deal. Overall, I think the deal is pretty good. and this is about as aggressive as the marries could feasibly get here. Does Flexen hurt the deal, do you think?
Starting point is 00:04:34 Maybe? I just like, to me, what is that even a, like, does that even tip the scales at all, including Chris Flexen and the steel for the pirates? Right? Like, or to tip the scales for you at all, getting rid of that money. But, like, if it doesn't really tip the scales for either side, wouldn't you just rather keep Chris Flexon, if you're the Mariners? I just, I don't really see why Flexen is involved in this,
Starting point is 00:04:56 but the rest of it is fine. by me. Yeah, it's, I think this is probably the type of deal, you know, plus or minus flex. And if the pirates like flex and fine, throw them in. But I think this is the type of deal you're going to have to make if you want to, if you want Brian Reynolds. And that's just because again, you have to outbid other teams. Um, so you kind of have to do it with bulk, but you have to do it with upside bulk. And there is a lot of upside in this trade for the pirates. Um, so yeah, I, I, again, I don't, I still don't think it's going to happen. I would be shocked if the Mariners landed,
Starting point is 00:05:31 Brian Reynolds. But I think this is the type of package. And, you know, honestly, it might cost a little bit more. And it really does depend on how the pirates feel about Bryce Miller and Matt Brash. That's,
Starting point is 00:05:43 those are the deciding factor. If they think both of those guys are mid-rotation starters, they probably do this deal. If they don't, then it's probably dead. So I'll give it a 50 because it can kind of go either way. I'll give it a 55 because I think this is, more or less going to be, you know, if the mayor is land, Brian Reynolds, this is
Starting point is 00:06:00 essentially what it's going to look like. And that's going to hinge upon, like you said, the pirates thinking that Matt Brash can start and Bryce Miller is like close enough to tie them in and Miller and those guys to, for Brash and Kellnick, et cetera, to make up a difference. Yeah. So, yeah. So 55 for me, 50 from you for Paul. Let's go on to our next trade. comes from Lane. Lane wants to know if the Mariners could trade Taylor Tramell, Emerson Hancock, and Travis Coon to the Nationals for Joey Meneses and Hunter Harvey. So I really like Harvey. Manessus though was a 30 year old rookie
Starting point is 00:06:42 this past year and had a good year, don't get me wrong, but six games. This feels like a lot for Menaces and Harvey, like I like Harvey again, but I just, I don't know, feels like a lot for basically a luxury in the bullpen. and a 30-year-old, you know, corner infield D.H type who's only been good for 56 games in the Major League and there's only played 56 games in the Major League. Yeah, it's way too much to get, I mean,
Starting point is 00:07:11 those two guys that are getting their question marks, like at best. You know, there's a chance that you end up DFAing both of them at some point this year. So you're not going to give up Emerson Hancock, who, you know, even though I'm down on him, is still a pretty good prospect. And honestly, you're not going to give it. I don't think I would give up Taylor Tremel for
Starting point is 00:07:30 Menesis or Harvey, straight up. Maybe Harvey, but I think I'd rather ride the upside of Tremel. So I would hold out to do better than this. I don't know if Mnessus is actually available. I mean, I can't imagine why the Nationals would want to keep them if somebody's making them this type of offer. Yeah. But this is an overpay for Seattle.
Starting point is 00:07:48 And frankly, they can go get these two guys still, even in the fairly depleted free agent class. They can still go find basically these two plays. and sign them for a couple million bucks each. Yeah, it's just, they're two big of question marks here. Manessus, again, 56 games. I just add 30 years old. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:08 And also, he's not like a great fit for the roster either, just in terms of his versatility or lack thereof. So, yeah, I'm going to go 35 on this one. Yeah, same. Yeah. All right. Next deal comes from Alex. Alex has the Mariners receiving Manuel Margot.
Starting point is 00:08:26 and Jalen Beaks from the raise for Sam Haggerty, Jonathan Clase, and Michael Morales. Colby. I don't think this is going to work for Tampa, to be frank, just because, I mean, I like Margot. I think I talked about him a lot last offseason. He just signed an extension, unfortunately, with Tampa.
Starting point is 00:08:49 Not that that means they wouldn't trade him, but it seems unlikely they're not going to trade him for Haggerty. Haggerty is a big question mark. We don't know what Sam Haggerty is. And once he started playing every day in September, he was pretty bad. So, you know, you kind of have to use him. He's a bench guy at this point. Classe and Morales are really nice players.
Starting point is 00:09:06 I think the race would be interested in both. Classe is on the 40 man, though. That is something the race have to worry about. And he is a couple of years away from the big leagues. Morales is also a couple years away from the big leagues, at least probably three. So I don't think you're giving up enough to get like a really solid fourth outfielder slash platoon guy. And a pretty good reliever, Jalen Beaks, as well. I don't think you're giving up near enough here.
Starting point is 00:09:29 I think if you want both of these guys, you probably have to replace Agriety with like Brash. I really think that's what it would cost for the race to move on from these two guys. Yeah, I just, I don't think that Marrers necessarily line up here with what it would take for Margot, specifically. Like, they're not in a position where they can just go,
Starting point is 00:09:50 like, I mean, because like Margot is not Tyler O'Neill, right? Like, he's a, he was a one. and a half but yeah he was a one and a half one player this past season you know he's uh like the the mariner's aren't in a position to go like hey here's paul seawalt for right manwell margot like that's probably about fair yeah and maybe you can wrap your head around that like a seawald and prospect steal for like
Starting point is 00:10:15 someone like o'neal for someone with like the higher upside but like for margot i think you kind of know what you're getting and i just don't really think that's worth what it would probably take to to land him from Tampa but it's probably going to have to be like a major league reliever for and a pretty decent one at that for Margo in order to get Tampa Bay to to flip him and then adding beaks into the steel as well I just I think it becomes too much for uh for Tampa so I'm going to go probably 35 on this one all yeah same all right so we got a few more trades to cover here in just a moment, but first, a message from NHTSA. Did you know that driving high is considered driving under the influence?
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Starting point is 00:12:00 Marlins get Jerry Kelnick and Chris Flexen. Mariners get Jorge Saler and Jesus Lazzardo. This is interesting. A lot of moving parts here because Saler's got money attached to him. Obviously, Flexen has a little bit of money attached to him as well. And then there's kind of a prospect or not necessarily prospect, but a young ass set for young assets swap with Kellnick and Lazardo. What do you think about
Starting point is 00:12:25 the steel, Colby? I just wonder what the Marlins would want with Chris Flexen. The Marlins have pitching. They have quite a bit of young pitching that is frankly better than Chris Flexen. So they're just taking on Chris Flexen to
Starting point is 00:12:41 dump Soler's salary, or salary, maybe. But what's the point? I think they've probably rather, if they're going to pay somebody nine, 10 million bucks. I think they'd rather pay Solair 10 million bucks than flexing because at least they can use Solair.
Starting point is 00:12:57 So I don't think that part works for it. Luzardo is pretty interesting. That'd be a fun trade, like you said. But the thing with the Luzardo is that he's had major league success. Kelnick has not. So, you know, the Marlins are looking for a centerfielder. Do they think Kelnick's a centerfielder? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:13:18 You know, Luzardo is a year older. and he does have two years of club control. So you'd be gaining a year club control if you swap, the Marlins would be gaining a year club control, if they swap Luzardo for Kelnick. But again, Luzardo was pretty good last year. Only 18 starts, but still, that is 100 innings of success that Jared Kelnick just does not have.
Starting point is 00:13:39 So I think if you want to make that swap, you're going to have to add something. Could you maybe do something like Tremel and Kelnick for Luzardo? maybe, but I think the Marlins want a little bit more safety than that. I think what might have been, like, if you did, like, Kelnick, you did like Kelnick, Tramel and like Perlander Baroa for like Luzardo and Joey Windle, maybe that's something that works. I just, I don't know what the flexing thing has to do with it.
Starting point is 00:14:12 And I don't think Kelnick and, I don't think Kelnick for Lozardo is something that's going to happen. But it could because, like, I said, the Marlins have a lot of starting pitching. So it really comes down to how do they feel about Kelnick? Yeah, I think they could get a better outfielder for Lazzardo. Probably. Yeah, like, that's the thing, you know, you made a great point there that Lazzardo has actually had major league success.
Starting point is 00:14:38 Yeah, he's had some injury history and all that. But this year, through 100 innings, 1076 Ks per 9, 31419, 332ERA, 312, tip, it's worth 2.2 F4. like Jared Kellnick's never even sniffed that kind of value at the major league level so that's just like from a pure value standpoint and also if Jared Kellnick is just a corner in corner outfielder I mean the values significantly outweigh one another because Lizardo is young he pitches out he plays at a premium position and he's provided major league value so it just that doesn't really work and then I don't think that the salary that you would be taking taking on from Solera really makes up the difference at all here. So I'll go, I'll go 42 on this because it is creative. But, yeah, there's,
Starting point is 00:15:31 there's a lot of issues here with this. Yeah, I mean, maybe if you take all of Solaris contract, and you don't include flexin, then maybe that's enough to make up the difference, but even I doubt that. So, yeah, it's creative enough that it'll keep it out of the 30s, but I would say it's like 40 or 45. Like if the Marlins really think that Kelman can play center field, then it's probably a 45.
Starting point is 00:15:55 But I doubt they do. So I'm going to say 40. Right. Next trade comes from JJ. JJ has a big deal here for Randy a Rose Arena. Playoff Randy. Matt Brash, Derek Kellanick, Harry Ford, Taylor Dollard, and the competitive balance around a selection for Randy a Rose Arena, who of course has one more year of club control than Brian Reynolds.
Starting point is 00:16:19 So you would think that it might cost more than Brian Reynolds. So if we're comparing this deal to Paul's deal for Brian Reynolds, this is definitely more for for Randy. So what do you think, Colby? Is it? I think, though, yeah. Like, let's bring this back up here. Brash Kelnick $4 and the competitive balance around A pick for when it was Brash,
Starting point is 00:16:44 Miller, Kellner, Kellnick, and Flexon? What was the other? And the cop-round A-pick, which is also in this a Rosarina deal. Yeah, that's more. That's more. Ford and Dollared are more than Miller. Sure about that, Chief? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:01 Bryce Miller might be somebody's number one prospect in the organization, but, you know, really? I mean, who's better? Who's better? I mean, I probably put Harry Ford over from so. Probably, but not definitely. Guess who's closer to the big leagues, too? Guess who has a higher floor?
Starting point is 00:17:21 Bryce Miller, just saying. Yeah, he does. I can talk into this because at the very least, the high level reliever. I could totally talk about it. Yeah, you're right on. Yeah, but the upside of Harry Ford, man, like Craig Bezier. The upside.
Starting point is 00:17:37 Come on, come on, come on. The upside of Bryce Miller. If that's the case, then the upside of Bryce Miller is like Roy Oswald. We're just pulling Astros now. Sure, why not? I just think it kind of like a shorter. Is it? I think Bryce Miller is.
Starting point is 00:17:51 There's only like six to, which is tall, but like, you know, he's not like six, seven, like Logan Gill. Anyways. All right. Yeah, yeah. Radio Rosarena. I don't think the, I don't think the, I don't think the, uh, the race are going to trade them this winter, personally. I think that deal is probably good enough to get their attention. Um, but I just, I don't think they're going to do that because they're trying to win the world series this year.
Starting point is 00:18:14 And they're starting to spend a little bit of money. It's not like insane money, but they did give glass now that, that large extension. they gave money to Zach Eflin. So, yeah, they're starting to spend a little bit of money here. Brash, Kellnick, Dollar. They're all going to be on the 40 man here or they already are. And there's issues with that for Tampa Bay. So, yeah, I think this one comes down to how do they view Dollar and Ford?
Starting point is 00:18:40 Because I think Brash, they probably, Brash is a guy who just makes a lot of sense for Tampa because they can use them however they want. And they will. And he'll be great at it. Sure. In Kalnick, I guess if you have Margoe already in hand, then there's your platoon if you want to, but you have to replace Kevin Kiermeyer. That's probably Randy at Rosanerana. But if they think Ford is like a future All-Star and they think Dollar is like a number four, number three starter, then yeah, they might do this deal. But I just, I don't think they're going to view it that way. And so I don't know. I'll give it like a 45. I just, I don't know of a Roserra. I think Rose Arena is less attainable. than even Brian Reynolds just because the extra year. Yeah, I'll go 45 to 50 on this.
Starting point is 00:19:26 It's, uh, I think it's a good enough offer to like, like you said, yeah, to get their attention. Um, there's just no reason for them to trade them, uh, right now. Like, it really isn't. He's not expensive yet. Like, they need the outfield help. Like, it just, it doesn't make any stuff. And he's got four years left for boat control.
Starting point is 00:19:45 They can, right. They can have this conversation for three more years, you know, and so. So, yeah, I just, I don't know. I think this is good, but, like, it's just probably not going to happen. Like, you would have to, like, overwhelm the rates. And I don't think this necessarily overwhelms the race to say. It might, but, yeah, maybe. There's a non-zero chance it would.
Starting point is 00:20:08 I just don't think it would. So that's why it's a lower grade. Yeah, exactly. And that's, I just, again, they have all the leverage here with the Rosarena. So, again, if they're not, like, just blown out of the water, they're not going to trade him. They're not even going to think about trading him, honestly. But who knows?
Starting point is 00:20:24 They've done weirdly things. All right. Next trade comes from Mark. Mark has a Lane Thomas steel. Lane Thomas, the outfielder for the Nationals, for Juan Pinto and Starlin Aguilar. Colby. F.
Starting point is 00:20:41 You can't have... That's not the grades. Well, it's a zero out of 80. So there you go, F. breaks the scale. Yeah, you don't get Juan Pinto. Not for a mediocre platoon bat. I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:20:57 You can have Starlin Aguilar. I don't care about that at all. Take them. And honestly, that might be... Who do you love more? Will Myers or Juan Pinto? Or Jonathan V.R. Probably Juan Pinto because he's in the org.
Starting point is 00:21:12 So, you know, Will Myers betrayed us. But anyways, I think it's an overpay for Thomas. Seriously, I think Juan Pinto is a guy who a lot of people are overlooking. He's tall, projectable left. He already getting into the low 90s with a pretty good curveball on top of it. He's 6'4.
Starting point is 00:21:33 He's going to fill out. I really think Juan Pinto is a guy who is going to be a major leaguer and a pretty good one. Now, granted, he's years away. So a lot can happen. But I like the projectability of Juan Pinto quite a bit. and Lane Thomas to me is like he's fine he makes sense he's a fit but he's not like amazing he's not you have to have this guy he's again like well actually not again because like I said this on the page don't not in here but like you know guys like Will Myers they kind of
Starting point is 00:22:04 grow on trees and Lane Thomas is kind of one of those guys and it's like yeah that's that's fine they do need that but do they need to trade one pento for him probably not yeah so I would pass on this deal. I'll give it like a 40 though because I think it's overall fine but yeah, I'm not I think it's the right idea. I just think you pick the wrong player.
Starting point is 00:22:26 I think Juan Pinto's probably and where Washington is right now I do think that going with like the younger players makes a lot of sense. The guy, the teenagers. So they want to take a shot on like George Files and and you know
Starting point is 00:22:40 Starlin Aguilar, fine. Go ahead and pull the trigger on that. But I think that does. Yeah, I think Pinto is just in a different class and those type of prospects. So I would say no on Pinto, but I think the idea overall is pretty good. So I'll give it a 45.
Starting point is 00:22:54 All right. Next trade comes from Brannon. Brandon has a pretty straightforward deal here. Christian Walker, the first base slash DH from the Diamondbacks for the competitive balance round A-pick, and Michael O'Royle. What do you think?
Starting point is 00:23:13 Well, you don't trade Edgar Martinez before it gets to the big league. So that's probably a no. I hate you. We should probably institute a new rule next time, Ty. No Arizona Diamondback traits. I don't know what that franchise is doing.
Starting point is 00:23:28 I can never figure them out. Are they rebuilding? No. Are they going for the plat? No. Are they trying to go 500? Maybe. Like, who knows? They're easily the fourth best team in that division in Colorado's gaining on them pretty quickly.
Starting point is 00:23:43 And yet they won't ever commit to a rebuild. They just don't want to do that. And so they're just irrelevant. So it's really hard to know what they're going to do. Walker had a really good year last year at the plate. Terrible defender. So I guess you're looking at him as your full-time DH. I think it was actually okay at first base, but you have Typhran.
Starting point is 00:23:59 So who cares? One of those two is your full-time DH regardless. So I think, you know, the comp round A-pick is probably enough to get him if they actually were willing to move him. Royo's a really good bat. He's a top 10 prospect in the system. I don't think Christian Walker, based on his fit for this,
Starting point is 00:24:20 this, you know, roster, I don't think he's worth essentially two top 10 organizational prospects. Not at least when the farm system is relatively as good as the meritors. So I think for me, I think the competitive balance round A pick is fine. I'd probably rather have that pick, to be perfectly honest with you, than then Walker,
Starting point is 00:24:42 just because he's just not a great fit. fit for this roster. He's not, but like, we talked about this on the Patreon yesterday, though, that eventually fit, you just need the offense and fit. You need the offense. And, you know, the more that these options thin out, the more it kind of, you know, you can wrap your head around just having a full-time DH because right now they're just aren't enough quality hitters on the Mariners roster that's like, I need to keep the,
Starting point is 00:25:08 the DH open for those guys. Right. How desperate is Jerry to, you know, get the back? because he's been very clear about this that he wants four outfielders and the whoever's not starting the outfield that day is going to DH most of the time. He's running out of options. Like it's it's I don't want to say he's running out of those options because there's a lot of guys like that. It's just the the options are getting smaller and smaller every day. So Walker like fine, I guess.
Starting point is 00:25:37 I just I don't know. I don't think that you give up a royal and the draft pick. But I do think this is a pretty interesting trade. yeah I think this is really interesting I'd give it 55 I really like this deal and I think
Starting point is 00:25:54 just desperate to get the next Edgar Martinez out of the organization I'll give it a 45 55 for me because again I think that there is going to come a point or potentially there will come a point here in the soft season where full-time DH makes sense and you know you can give
Starting point is 00:26:10 Francis spell here and then let Walker stand at first and a roll from there. I mean, this is a guy that just put up a four-win season and had a 122 WRC plus. Like, he's good-ass hitter, man. Like 36-home runs, like, that would be useful. I would like that in my lineup.
Starting point is 00:26:27 Corby has Chris Flex into the Rockies for Dylan Jorge and Charlie Blackman. Colby. I think he means Dionne Jorge. But anyways. Aside from that, he's not really all that valuable in this trade. He's that, you know, unless there's a Dylan Jorge I'm not familiar with in the Rockies organization. But this is pretty, pretty sizable financial commitment from the Mariners.
Starting point is 00:27:00 I think Blackman is making $20 million this year. Is that right, Ty? Right around there. Yeah, somewhere around there, yeah. Yeah, so Flexson, you're taking on $12 million for Blackman, who honestly is at the stage of his career where he should probably be a full-time DH. like I think you're going after the wrong outfielder here personally. I would go after Randall Gritchuk if I'm going to trade Chris Flex into the Rockies. It's interesting.
Starting point is 00:27:27 We haven't heard a lot of Blackman trades. Ty was a big, you know, Charlie Blackman fan last year. Said he would do anything to have Charlie Blackman on this roster. So, you know, worried about me. Seems a little bit desperate, but okay. But Blackman, I think, you. is an interesting fit for Seattle. I think the Rockies have to include cash in this deal
Starting point is 00:27:49 because I don't want the $12 million extra. All right, I should rephrase that. I don't care about the $12 million, right? But clearly Jerry and Justin and more specifically, John Stanton do. And if they take on all $12 million of the dollars, that's probably your platoon partner with Kelnick that you can no longer afford.
Starting point is 00:28:07 And holy cow, Dalton Varsha was just traded to the Braves. Oh, wow. Oh, no, Blue Jays. well that takes them out of the uh Brian Reynolds wow good for the good they gave up
Starting point is 00:28:22 uh Gabriel Moreno whoa yeah wow wow that's a wow good for the diamondbacks yeah
Starting point is 00:28:34 I mean good for the Blue Jays too good for the Blue Jays good for the Diamondback good for all yeah that's a good trade that's a fun trade all right cool well that's one team
Starting point is 00:28:45 out of Brian Reynolds market supposedly, so. Yeah, maybe. We'll see what else they'd give Morino. I doubt they're going to trade Morano and Tideman in the same offseason, but you never know. All right. So, yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:00 Blackman just, he sucks now. Like, that's really what it comes out to. Like, he's just, he's posted WRC pluses of 97, 93, and 89 in the last three seasons. Like, 35 years old. He's not a good defender at all. He's making a lot of money. I just
Starting point is 00:29:15 I have no interest in this. I had a little bit of interest in a, you know, a bounceback year, you know, last year or the year before. But it just, I don't know. I think you're, I think you're over exaggerating here. But, uh, but, yeah, I just, I don't know. Honestly, I think this is like a 30. Because like, I just, I have no interest in Blackman.
Starting point is 00:29:38 And Jorge doesn't really make up the difference for me. Yeah, same. All right. So, that's going to do it for a show. Just a quick little programming note. If you guys are watching this and you want to hang out with us a little bit more, we're going to be doing a live stream on our other YouTube channel, Trues of the Trident, and Colby and I are going to be opening up Christmas gifts from one another.
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