Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - FanFic Friday: Abrams, Meadows, Kirk and More

Episode Date: February 25, 2022

Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode read and grade Mariners mock trade proposals, including deals for C.J. Abrams, Austin Meadows, Alejandro Kirk and more.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order.BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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So let's get into these trades. Let's start with what we got. Yeah, our email at longdown mariners at gmail.com. Adam wants to know if we like the steel with the Padres, it's Gabriel Gonzalez, Zach Deloach, Edwinner, and Drew Steckin-Rider to the to the Padres for C.J. Abrams and Eric Hosmer. So basically you're taking on the contract of Hosmer to lower the cost of acquisition.

For one of the game's best prospects in Abrams, what do you think about this deal, Colby? No. No. Eric Cosmer is bad, like straight up. I'm not taking on Eric Cosmer's contract for anybody. on the Padres in the Padres farm system. No, it just, it dies at the inclusion of Hosmer for me. I'm not interested at all.

Yeah, I, uh, I don't know. Like, I like Abrams a lot. I don't think you, I don't think the Padres would do this in the end though. Like, I don't think they're that, they're that desperate to get rid of Hosmer to give up one of the best prospects in the game for, uh, to get him off of their books. For me personally, I'm, I'm more open to the idea because Abrams is, just so interesting and really highly touted that maybe Colby is, but it's a lot of money that you're taking on. It causes a headache positionally and roster wise. And for me, it's also a no. As far as a grade, I think it's probably almost honestly probably only like 30.

Yeah. I think that's about right. It's just, Eric Cosmer is the most overrated player in baseball. He's just a guy. I mean, he's been in the league now for 11 years, 10 years, and he has an 11 war. He only has three seasons of over a 1.5 F war. And he's got four seasons with a negative F war. Yeah. The dude's just a dude.

He's a replacement level at best. No, thanks. All right. So, J-Quah has a deal with the Rockies, Hermann Marquez and Riemel Tapia coming over from the Rockies for Noelvi-Marte and Emerson Hancock. Colby? The Rockies aren't trading Herman Marquez. It's really that's not for that. I don't really think for anything that's realistically going to be out there.

I mean, if they got Julio, if they got Julio offered to them, I think they were trained. I don't know. The Rockies. Maritors should absolutely not do that. Because Marquez, look, Marquez at best, let's just call it what it is. He's a mid-rotation starter.

He's not an ace. Right. Honestly, to me, he's probably not even a number two. No. I think he's a strong number three, but that is not worth.

Like, No, Alvi Marte and Emerson, Hancock, I think that's great value for the Rockies. If I'm the Rockies, I absolutely do that.

But the Rockies are going to do that. No. No. And that's stupid. Right. The Rockies are stupid for saying no to steal if they do. Yeah, but I mean, then again, the Rockies gave up Nolan Aeronado for pocket change. So, yeah.

So, oh, and then they, they didn't trade John Gray and got nothing for him at the deadline. So, you know, it's, yeah, the Rockies are a dumpster fire. That's because that's why I don't know for sure that they would say yes to this or even, even Julio, because they're, they're that bad. It's a bit of a joke over there. Tapia is an interesting guy. I think we've joked that he's like future jerry to potto trade target rymel topia because he does a lot of the things that Jerry likes. So yeah, but at the end of the day, I don't think this is a package the Mariners should give up for Marquez. Because like Ty said, I think ultimately I would rather have somebody like Luis Castillo than Hermann Marquez.

And I think I could get Castillo for less than this even. Probably. Yeah. the Reds are more likely than not a lot easier to negotiate with than the Rockies. Yeah, I would agree. So I like Tapia. I like, you know, Marquez is a guy that we heard very early on and we haven't really circled back.

So that was, that was kind of refreshing. But yeah, overall, I'm not sure the Mariners should do this deal. And I don't know if the Rockies would take it, even though they absolutely should. Yeah. But evaluation-wise, like if we're just talking. talking pure valuation, this is probably a little bit of an overpay for the Mariners. Right, which is probably something you'd have to do to get Marquez from the Rockies, if they were actually willing to trade him.

I'll give it like a 45. Yeah, that's what I was going to say as well. I'm going to give it a 45. Yeah, I think that's a good spot for it. So, yeah, good stuff, Jaquah. All right, so here's what we have on Twitter now. I thought we initially had three trades in the email, but it's actually two, one of them, one of the emails that we,

got was actually a question that will be answering on Monday instead. So Aiden at SFNE 58 wants to know if we would trade Andy Thomas, 2021 draft pick, catcher out of Baylor, and second baseman slash outfielder Cody Gross for to the guardians for Rineau Delgado, a second base slash third base prospect and left-handed pitcher Tanner Tully. So Aiden coming through with the very, uh, very, uh, you know, low under the radar deals, of course, like he always says. Yeah. My answer is no to this.

You know, it's totally as a soft toss. Like, he's a lefty. He's, I mean, that's basically what he is. He's your like prototypical number five, number six guy. He's not better than Mark Gavich's. And Andy Thomas, while we kind of make fun of him and forget about him, he was the club's fifth round pick out of Baylor last year. He was a money saver, so it's, you know, rightfully so.

But he's a catcher, which is incredibly hard to find. He hits left-handed, which is incredibly hard to find. There are some really nice CTZ tendencies about him. He seems to understand the strike zone very well. And he's actually got a little bit more power than I think people realize. So I'm not saying Andy Thomas is, you know, even a top 50 prospect in this mariner system. but there's there's some Carter Ben's style upside here where you know he's probably not an everyday catcher but a catcher you know starts 70 70 80 times a year and and you know

probably gives you good at bats and hits you know 240 with some good on base and fringe average defense that that has value and he's 23 he's not you know he doesn't have to be put on the 40 man roster for a few more years I believe both of the guys um that the Mariners would be acquiring in this deal both need to be added to the 40 man. So, yeah, I like Andy Thomas as a very deep sleeper, just not to be like a, you know,

everyday 50 grade player. I just think that he's probably a future big leagher. Yeah, Delgado's going to get exposed to the rule five. I'm not adding someone with that profile to my 40 man. So Tully, like you said, just kind of a guy. I don't know.

The thing with the seal is like, I wouldn't really care if it happened, but I just feel like it's unnecessary. You know what I'm saying? So I'm going to give this like, I don't know, 38, 40. I'll give it a 40.

I don't know. What are you feeling? I'll give it a 40. It's, it's, yeah, I just, I don't know. I guess I didn't realize how big of an Andy.

Thomas fan I was until this question came in so so Dakota wants to know if Dakota wants to know if we would trade Jake Fraily to the Royals for Andrew Benettony and if the Royals would actually accept that. Benettony has one year left on his deal. Fraley of course has what

four? Five. Five I believe. Yeah. Frailie is obviously you know can walk some or did for a little while during the season, but is pretty much virtually useless against lefties, but he gives a royals team.

He would give a royals team that is likely not going to compete in 2022, a longer term option in left field rather than Benetendi. But to me, I just, I feel like you're going to have to come to the table with a bit more for Benetendi, even though he only has a year left. Yeah, I'm a noted fan of Benetendi. He's certainly a guy that I think makes a lot of sense for the Mariners to try and trade for if he is available. Left-handed hitter plus glove and left field.

Can hit lead off. These are all things the Mariners need. Not a ton of power, which isn't ideal, but fringe average power. The issue is fraily. If the Royals are going to trade, been attending, I don't think they are, at least not in, you know, before the regular season starts. I think the Royals are going to look for something that has more upside, even if it is a little bit further away. Because the absolute ceiling of Jake Freilly is Benetendi, and that's probably not going to happen. So I think they would probably look at somebody like maybe, just maybe you could do something like LaBrata and Carlson, but they're probably going to be looking for, I bet they would ask for Alberto Rodriguez, like somebody in that range.

at which point are you interested kind of depends on how you feel about Rodriguez or Gabriel Gonzalez or you know Starlin Aguilar or somebody like that so yeah I don't think Freely is going to be enough I do like the Ben Attendee call but I think maybe Frey's the secondary piece that allows you to get away with the giving up only you know Will Fleming instead of Levi Stout or something like that but i just i don't see that happening so uh i'll give it a 45 43 sure i'll uh i'll give it like uh i'll give it a 40 because i don't think the rose would do this at the end of the day but i like the bend attendee call i like the fit of that um yeah that would be an interesting um avenue for the uh for the mariners to go down but i i just don't think that's how

they would get it done all right So we got a trade with the Blue Jays. We got an absolute moronic Yankees fan whose tweet was sent to us. We're going to be talking about that. We're going to be talking about some other trades that you sent to us over the last 24 hours or so in just a moment.

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It's free and available wherever you get podcasts, just like us. So let's hop back into these trade proposals that you sent to us. Starting with Roshan Brat, who has a deal with the Blue Jays. Mariner's received catcher Alejandro Kirk and Kevin Biggio, the utility infielder, for Taylor Tremel, Connor Phillips. Alejandro Kirk is the thing that gets me hung up here. There have been some reports that they're trying to make room, you know, and they're

catching ranks right now. Jansen. They have they have McGuire and obviously they have Kirk and they're trying to make some room here for Gabby Moreno who's going to be coming up. He's one of their top prospects, one of the best prospects in the game. But the reports were that they were trying to hammer out to deal with

the Marlins for one of the Marlins starters for Kirk. And I think that's pretty much what you would have to give up or what you would have to kind of match to get Kirk. So I don't think the Mariners really have that. right like they don't have an eliza hernandez or a paulo lopez or anyone like that who's going to help them get alexo kirk um who's a really good player uh so yeah i that's where it pretty much begins and ends for me um i just don't think you were giving up enough for here for the blue jays

because they're they're going to want something that helps them in uh in 2022 and taylor Tramel, Taylor Tramel might, but also they have kind of a little bit of a log jam in the outfield. I just, I don't, I don't think it makes a ton of sense for the Blue Day. It's this package. Yeah, might be in the key. I'm going to get this one like a 35. Yeah, the issue is that the Blue Jays are at least in the same position, if not a little bit ahead of you. So why would they give up, you know, Cabin Bizio, who Ty doesn't like for some reason, who I think is.

He's a useful major leagueer. We can agree on that. Where are they going to give that up? And a prospect who they're trying to flip for starting pitching for an outfielder who bombed at the big league level. He still has a lot of talent, but you can't count on him this year. And Connor Phillips, who I think is probably going to start the year at AA. It still has a long way to go.

So, yeah, it's just the Mariners and the Blue Jays are a very tough fit. they're both almost in the exact same spot. They're a team that is, you know, trying, yeah, sorry, trying to kind of make that next step. And I just don't see this deal working out too well. Going to give this deal like the 35. I just don't think the two sides match up all that well, to be honest with you. Yeah, not for Kirk. No.

If Kirk is the centerpiece, I just don't think, like I said, I just don't think that the Mariners have what it takes to get home. I mean, because I think the asking price from the Blue Day's perspective is very specific. Yeah, and there's only like a certain return that they're going to take for, for Kirk. It's not just going to be, you know, the best prospect available or the, the best major leaguer available. It's, they want someone that they can add towards the middle or back of the rotation for him. Yeah, I mean, not for nothing, by the way, but they very well could ask for Phillips for Reese McQuire. so that's how that's how

it's how then catching is right now so yeah just you're not going to get that for you're not going to get Kirk for that it just it's it's yeah the two sides the two teams just don't line up for that type of trade right now yeah all right so

friend of the show Jordan Lovett who's been one of our day one supporters since we started our Patreon show Patreon.com forward slash control so shameless plug he sent us a tweet from someone named the great john dean at yr re 21 or yrc 21 on twitter who said after the lockout if you're the mariners and by the way we should acknowledge that this guy is like he doesn't say it in his bio anywhere but it's pretty clear he's a yankees fan he said after

the lockout if you're the mariners would you trade logan gilbert for lukevoi to shore up for space I think I would if I'm the Mariners. Then Crazy Shark, who also has listened to our show and submitted some questions to us, responded and said, no, Thai France is our first baseman. And you do not give up a young stud pitcher for him. And then the guy said, if Thai France is your first base, you don't have a first base. I think that should tell us all we need to know about the quote unquote great John Dan here, who, let's just say it, does not.

no ball. This trade idea, this Gilbert for Voigt idea, it breaks the scale. This is a zero. Usually the lowest is 20. This is a zero. Yeah, not to mention Ty France was better than Voight last year. So kind of, uh-oh. Argument already starting to fall apart here. I like Voight. Um, not really a fit in Seattle and certainly not for Gilbert. Um, you know, is the type of guy who, who, uh, the memes about, you know,

Yankee fans wanting to trade Miguel Andahar and, and Clint Fraser for show Hey, Otani like that joke. This is the reason that joke exists. And I'm hoping he's trolling. Um, but I, I know some Yankee fans and, and like they legitimately,

most of them do think like this. So, uh, yeah, just give me all your best players for my leftovers. That's just, it's not going to work. And so.

Forget this point that, you know, Ty France is better than Luke Voight. He's also younger and cheaper and has more club control. Forget all of that. I'm not trading Logan Gilbert for any first baseman in baseball. There's just not enough value there. So, yeah. You got a guy who came up was actually pretty good

and helped you a lot in September. With basically one pitch. With basically one pitch. And has number two upside, maybe even number one if, you know, you squint. You get them for six years, too. Yeah. Well, I guess basically seven years, if you count this last year.

So you get them for six more years. No, no, no. Yeah. Unless that first basement is like literally Vlad Guerrero Jr. No. You're not getting Logan Kilber for any first baseman. Not interesting. Yep.

Zero. Like I said, breaks the scale. Zero. all right wally at j-dub p and w has a deal with the redsox Zach the loach to emerson hancock and adam macko to the redsox for alex of redugo and jackie bradley junior so part of it is taking on bradley here but the red sox traded for by the way yeah yeah and i just i

why would they trade for dugo for prospects like they're going to try to compete this year why would they do that that's my initial thought like i'm not trying to be mean about it right like i'm just saying like if you're looking at it from the red spot red sox perspective this makes them significantly worse for 2022 yeah i like radugo so i understand the want to go get him um i think he's a yeah i think he's a yeah i think he's a very good player who can handle center field pretty well uh pretty solid hitter probably going to be in the 110 to 120 WRC plus range. He's got three years of club control left.

He's a good player. He really is. He's only 25. I think we need to mention here, though, that this trade was presented in a screenshot from our favorite website, baseball trade values.com, which does have the total value pretty much lined up. It's 24.8 to the Red Sox and 25.5 to the Mariners. So I get why, like, someone would see that and think. like, oh yeah, this is a reasonable trade, but it's not.

Baseball. From the Reds. Baseball trade values ignores, it treats trade value as if it's in a vacuum and it's not. There are real world factors here. And like Ty said, one of them is that the Red Sox are trying to make the playoffs in 2022. And this deal does. Just make the playoffs. They're trying to win a World Series.

Right. And this deal takes them further away from that. So if the. Red Sox were clearly rebuilding. Maybe, but even I don't know if that's enough for three years of Redugo. Yeah. I like those prospects, but it's, it's a little bit better than bulk, but it's, it's, it's, it's there isn't like, like Hancock is the leading piece, right? But there's also issues with Hancock.

Yeah. you know, that people have. I don't agree with them. But there's been a lot of talk about Hancock and how his value has diminished over the last year. If you take... If you take all the context out of it and just look at the valuation or so,

or, you know, basic valuation. I think this deal is roughly in the ballpark. But again, you have to look at contact. The Red Sox, they are trying to win the World Series in 2022. Trading for three guys who don't help them do that and trading an everyday player for them to get that done, not going to happen. And Bradley only has one year left on his deal. And it's the Red Sox. They can absorb the $12 million and be fine.

So, you know, again, in the vacuum valuation wise, probably about right, maybe a little heavy for the Mariners, honestly. But again, with context added in, it's probably. a 35 for me. Yeah, same. Yeah, I mean, just value-wise, it might be a 45, but again, context matters a lot. So, yeah, 35. Yeah. Yeah.

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taking on the contract of kiermire to get meadows for me personally like i think done makes some sense for the raise i think he he's pretty interesting i i i i For them, for what they usually like to do with their pitchers, I think there would be some interest there in him. I think you could probably get Kevin Kirrmeyer for Justin Dunn because it's more about getting the contract off of their books than anything for the raise, in my opinion. But when you add Meadows in there as well,

it was pretty good. Has a couple years left to control. I just, I don't know, I don't know if Don, plus taking on the contract of Kiermeyer is enough for them to give up Meadows. Do you feel differently, Colby? No. Meadows is a

good but not great bat. He is trending hard towards DH only, which is I mean, there's about a 50-50 split between him and the outfield and DH last year. And that creates a bit of a problem in itself

for the Mariners as well. Right. Right. He's elected. Right. Meadows is left-handed bat, but it's not plus power, but it's not like, it's probably 30 home runs is about the most you could expect from him. Meadows is a good player. He's only going to make about four million bucks this year, R-Bone. And because of that, I don't think that taking on all of Keirmeier's contract, who is still a valuable player, by the way, is enough to get away with just done. Honestly, I think if you want these two guys, I think the race probably come to you and ask about Brandon Williamson. Yeah. And I think at that point, you know, the Mariners are going to say no to that.

Dun for Kiermeyer straight up, maybe. But I feel like you could even get Kiermire for maybe a little bit less than that. But obviously you're not going to cry. Maybe you trade chess and done. So, yeah, again, I like the idea, the package deal idea. Meadows is a guy that we've talked about. a little bit on CTZ as maybe kind of you know kind of a left-handed outfield bat that could fit Keirmeyer we've talked about quite a bit for a centerfield defense I just think I just

think your your offer here is too light I think for those two together I really think they're going to ask about Williamson and then they might settle on stout maybe Phillips and done something like that so I'll give it a 40 I like the Meadows. Yeah, I'll, yeah, I'll give it a 40 as well. I think it's solid at least. I don't think it would get it done, but I think maybe you...

I think you've... I think you've identified players that each side would like and have interest in. Sure. It's just a matter, you know, finding the correct pieces around these three guys to make it happen.

Yeah. All right. So I don't know what to say at Dauer Optimus on Twitter. Mariner's trade Taylor Tremel, Nick Margievich, Victor Laudez, to the nationals for Eric Fetty and Victor Robles. It's going to be a big fat no for me. This is a lot for the Mariners to give up for a really good defensive center fielder. Don't get me wrong.

He's really good out there with the glove. But he is, uh, yeah. I wouldn't necessarily say he's a liability at the plate, but he is not great. Petting wise. Then Eric Fetty, it's kind of a dude, really. So, yeah, for Deloge L'Brata, Morgavages. Margaavit just is inconsequential here, but Deloge, Lebrada, and Tramel, no. Like, if absolutely everything breaks right for Fetty, he might give you a Chris Flexineer or two.

And that's everything has to break right. It's just it's not going to happen. So, yeah, this is way too much to give. I wouldn't trade Taylor Trammell for Victor Robles and Eric Fetty, straight up. So I'm certainly not adding all that other stuff. So, no, it just unless I'm missing something on Robles, but I'm not willing to bank on any kind of potential upside in the bat five years into his big league career. So I'm out on that one. Yeah.

I'm going to give this one a 25. frankly. I'll give it a 30. Mostly because of the Robles thing. That's an interesting player. But again, it's, it's probably like, if you're looking for a deal similar to this,

that might actually work, it's probably Robles for Deloche. And even that seems like a bit of an overpay for me. That's, that honestly, like also Robles got sent down. Yeah. The bad is really bad.

I think he would, on a bad national, steam too. Like that's honestly I don't know if I would trade Victor LaBrata for him. LaBrata's interesting. Yeah like

Oh wait wait hold on hold on hold on side note Victor Lebrot or sorry Victor Robles has been in the big leagues for five years but he's only accrued three years of service time so he does have three years of club control Yeah but I mean he's still

none. Yeah, I'll bump this up to, because of that, I thought he had one year left. It's Yeah, I did too. He's been in league five years, just only accrued three years of service. So, I'll bump it up to 35, but I just don't want to take the chance

on the bat. I'd rather have some safety in that position. Honestly, I don't think that changes the grade for me. He's still just like, he's a glove first center fielder which like has some value but i could go get billy hamilton for a million bucks or whatever you know i really needed that so yeah all right daisy and the dingo uh wants to know if we would

trade for prospect josh eight smith from the rangers in a three-team deal where calquantral winds up going to texas and the rangers give up sam huff to the guardians and the margians and the Mariners give Cade Marlowe and Levi Stout to the Guardians. Smith is a pretty interesting prospect who's performing at the minor league level, but Levi Stout and Cade Marlowe. So it's quite a bit. It's a hefty price. And I don't know.

The Rangers giving up Sam Huff and Smith and the steel for Quantrel. I mean, Quantrel's coming off a pretty decent year, but still I just, there's... there's a lot that I hesitate with on this deal. How do you feel? I feel like Sam Huff and Josh Smith is a little bit too much to give up for Quantrel, who I like, but I also like Smith. Huff's the guy whose prospect star is definitely dimmed.

So I get, you know, why he's included in this deal. But again, it feels like just a little too much to give up for Quantril. Um, you know, the, I think the guardians probably take this side of the deal, although they probably would rather just have Josh Smith, um, than Marlow or Stout. Well, you know, I bet Cleveland's pretty interested in, uh, in Levi Stout. That seems like a, yeah, no, I would say that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't think the valuation overall is that far off. I just wonder, like, if I'm the Mariners, right, what am I going to do with Josh Smith? playing at third base. Yeah. You know, I'd probably just roll with Toro at this point. So I like Josh Smith. I just,

would I give up Levi Stout and Cade Marlowe to get him? Not the way things are currently situated. If JP Crawford gets hurt or something like that, then maybe. But. Yeah. Also, like, look, I know that the Rangers just gave a ton of money to Seeger and Simeon and John Gray to it.

to a lesser extent. But giving up a guy, a young prospect who is really on the rise and maybe they could play him at third base eventually for Cal Quantrel, who's good, but not like, like, he's not going to shift the needle that much for them in 2022. Let's be real about that. Right. They need a lot more than Cal Quantrell. And the Rangers Farm is trash already.

so yeah yeah as my iPhone goes off I don't even know if you heard that but I didn't what if what if instead of they were getting somebody like Plycac who I know we don't like

all that much but you know he's probably please sack is fine don't get me wrong it's just like he's just kind of a you know well he's probably a safer bet he's probably a safer bet to help you now and in the future than

than Quantrel like I like I like Guantrol, but police sack is safer to be a starter at least. So, yeah, I just, I feel like, well, first of all, it gets, it gets high grades for creativity. It's certainly creative. Sure. A lot of names we haven't heard before. I just wonder what the, what the benefit would be to the Mariners to trade Stout for Smith.

Stout and Morrow for Smith. Because I like Smith. I like, I like, I like, or I like, uh, I like stout. two. And obviously Seattle has a need for infield prospects, but they're kind of in a good spot at the major league level at least, right? I mean, they have Frazier, they have Toro, they have JP, they have France. So Smith is probably going to be major league ready at some point this year. Do you trust him to be the third baseman? No. Well, and also it's like he doesn't really have the power for it. Right. So if you already have Adam Frazier at second base. Yeah, Smith reminds me of Brad Miller If you're looking for a comp here Ironically, both don't wear batting gloves So that's awesome

But it kind of reminds me of Brad Miller And so if that's what you're looking for Just go sign Brad Miller for three million bucks And keep Levi Stout I think I'd rather have Stout than Smith If we're being honest I like Stout quite a bit And I'm totally prepared for him to get

traded for Sunny Gray or something like that. And I'll be bummed just like I was when they move Shinton. But at least when they do that, I'm getting a proven major leaker in return for that. So yeah, I'll give this one a 50 though. I think it's creative. And I think it valuation-wise, it works pretty well. Actually, I'll give it a 55. Okay.

I'll give it a 48. Oh, who. Yeah. Yeah. you're the optimist today optimist okay i yeah i just yeah i don't know there's like i said there's a lot that makes me hesitate with this deal so that's why i'm

going 48 there's a lot of questions that i have and usually if i have a lot of questions when it comes to a deal that means that there's something wrong but it it is creative so i give you props for that um so yeah i'll bump it up to a 50 all right so uh daisy has another deal and this is our last one of the day. Outfield prospect Stephen Kwan from the Guardians for Adam

Maco. For me personally look, Kwan is probably going to come up in 2022 at some point. I get it. Like I get the reasoning for this. I kind of, I don't really see like the guardians

doing this, especially where with where they are right now. And then I don't like, I don't know. Macco is really good. I have said this a bunch on the show. You and I have both said this, Colby, a bunch on this show. Adam Maco's really good prospect.

Yep. And he's on the rise. Like he might, he might even raise his ceiling a little bit more. I just, yeah, I don't know. That's a tough, that would be a tough one for me to swallow.

And I just don't know how much Kwan is going to contribute to me in 2022. I get the reasoning. And so I'll give this one a 52. actually. Because I think it's pretty solid. I think it's pretty creative. I get it. I just personally,

I don't know if I would pull the trigger on this. Kwan's not going to have for any power. Like none. Yeah, and that's another issue. He's got a very... The Mariners right now, how they're constructed,

they need more power. Yeah, he's got a very flat swing. He has tremendous plate discipline and strikes zone judgment. He also puts a ton of pitches in play. It's kind of Adam Fraser-esque, only he plays center field instead of second base. Kwan's a good, solid prospect.

Mako is probably a bit more risk than Kwan, certainly, but probably higher upside, too. And, you know, I've said this a few times. I haven't said in a while, though, but I think the Mariners are probably higher on Adam Maco than the rest of us think they are, or the rest of us even. are like i i think they love adam macko and milcar Perez does i mean they won't trade them no of course not but are they going to flip them for prospects essentially no i think they i think they really like the upside of those two guys so um oddly enough if you had said somebody like connor phillips i probably would have given it a 50 55 which is weird because a lot of people have phillips

ahead of Maco and I might too, but I don't know why. I just, I like Adam Maco quite a bit. Quaun's a nice player though. So like, I'm not going to be upset if they did this, but I just prefer Macco. I'm going to give it a 50 because I think it's, I think it's creative and it's a solid offer. So I'll give it a 50. Cool. All right.

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