Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - FanFic Friday: Bruján, Mullins, Hoffman and More
Episode Date: February 19, 2022Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode read and grade your Mariners trade proposals, including ideas for Ketel Marte, Merrill Kelly, Yandy Díaz and more.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On ...Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: lockedonmariners@gmail.comFollow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Whoever you are, honestly, I'm not even mad.
But let us know who you are
because that was honestly pretty funny.
Let's start with Jayquah.
It was Jayquah.
It was Jayquah, yeah.
Yeah.
Whoever it was lives in Houston, by the way.
They put their zip code in there,
which I mean
come on fam
what are we doing here
I guess just looking for love
it was the day after valentines to be fair
so I mean I can't hate on someone looking for love
we all deserve love
yeah well
but you can't even access the account
you can't even access we'll let you know
we get any good matches or anything like that
yeah yeah we'll we'll let you know
all right jquah wants to know if
the mariners could trade noelvi marty and zach
Lodz to the Orioles for Cedric Mullins.
Colby.
Noel Marte and Zach Deloche?
Mm-hmm.
No.
Yeah.
Cedric Mollins is kind of an interesting guy because I don't know if you'd want to do that trade.
If you're the Mariners, it kind of comes down to how much do you trust 2021 for Mollins.
I think it's mostly real, but the guy was 33.
30. And he was worth almost six wins. And he did that at, you know, he did that at the age of 26 in his second year. I mean, he was never this, you know, projected to be this good. He was okay in 2020. But he kind of had like this insane breakout season. And so how much are you willing to bank on that being repeatable? You'd have to be willing to bank pretty hard because you're giving up no L.V. Marte.
you know, six years, seven years of no L'Aa, basically,
for four years of Mullins.
I also don't think the Orioles would do this.
I think the Orioles put Mollins on the trade block technically,
but it's one of those, hey, if somebody wants to give us Julio,
you know, then we'll talk about it.
But other than that, we're going to keep them.
So I don't think it would be enough for the Orioles to take that deal.
And I think it honestly might be a little too much for the Mariners to take that deal.
because of your Seattle,
would you rather have
Brian Reynolds or
Cedric Mullins?
Reynolds has done it more than once.
So you probably have him
and the cost will probably be about the same.
So I don't think either side
would do this.
Although if I were the Orioles,
I would consider it.
I'd say that.
But the Orioles are also kind of trying
to turn a corner here.
So I just don't think the two sides
are a good fit.
Yeah, I,
I just, I don't, I don't think that you're going to be able to get him for this package.
I don't think that really even gets you close.
Might start the conversation at least, you know, with someone like Noel Alvey, you know, because of,
of how he's regarded.
But yeah, you're probably going to have to give up Julio to get Sederk Mullins at this point.
So I am going to go 35 on this.
Yeah, that's about right.
by the way,
Cedric Mullins went to Campbell University.
I believe they are the Campbell Camels
and that is notable because that is the alma mater
of one Gaylord Perry.
Ooh.
So there you go.
Very nice.
So thank you, J-Quah.
Appreciate you
always submitting trade ideas
over the last few weeks
and looking forward to seeing what you
come up with next week.
Let's go on to Derek,
who is actually a first time
trade submitter, I guess we would say.
And we actually know Derek.
Derek is Peter Steely Dan on Twitter at I Bash My Bros.
He says he never submitted a proposal for Fanfic Friday, but the lockout has got him
reeled down in the dumps.
And he's got actually two deals that he wants us to look over here.
The first one is Adam Maco, Tom Murphy, and Drew Steck and Rider for Joey Gallo and Gary
Sanchez.
And he says, Gallo gives the man.
Mariners a lefty bat in outfield defense that doesn't make you face palm.
He says, I know Sanchez has been bad, but he put up incredible numbers in his first
couple of years, and he may be a change of scenery away from doing it again.
Even if Sanchez can't get it going, I believe his contract is only for 2022,
and he hits more dingers than Tom.
So, Colby, what do you think about this first deal from Derek?
Well, there were a lot of a lot of moving parts in that deal.
Maco, Murphy, and Steckenrider for Gallo and Sanchez.
Yep.
So first of all, not enough from the Mariners.
Second of all, Gallo and Sanchez both have their own issues.
You know, Gallo obviously strikes out a ton, and Sanchez cannot catch.
He's Luis Terenz behind the plate.
Probably a little bit worse, even.
And he hasn't been very good recently, like you mentioned.
So I just I don't see the Yankees doing this.
This is two major leaguers who help them at least somewhat in in 2022.
Murphy and Steckenrider probably not going to help them as much as Gallo and Sanchez.
And they're going to do all that for Adam McO.
I just I don't see it.
I like Maco a lot.
But again, the Yankees are looking to win now.
So Macco doesn't do much good for them.
Yeah, so it's kind of Steckenrider for Gallo and Murphy for Sanchez.
And then Maco's the sweetener.
I just don't think that's going to be enough for the Yankees to take a look at this deal.
And to be honest, I don't really want Gary Sanchez.
Sure.
That's fair.
I'd rather just roll with Murphy, especially if I have to give up Adam Maco to make it happen.
I'd probably just rather have Tom.
For the reasons that you mentioned, I'm not a huge fan of Sanchez.
either, you know, there's just a lot of downside there.
And yeah, I might honestly be able to get more value out of the catcher position from
Tom Murphy than Gary Sanchez in 2022, just overall.
I know that sounds wild, right?
Just with the names that are involved here, I mean, it's Gary Sanchez after all.
But yeah, having to throw Maco in the deal.
I mean, this package probably gets you one of them, maybe.
But not both.
But, yeah, and again, like, you know, you're like you're saying right now, it's like, that might even be a stretch.
I mean, maybe for Sanchez, you might be able to get Sanchez with this.
I'm not for Sanchez.
No, it is one year of Sanchez.
But like Sanchez over the last four years, 201, 299, 444, he's Mike Zanino minus the good defense.
Imagine Mike Sanino's bat, bad Mike Sanino.
Imagine his bat with Luis Turenz's defense.
That's Gary Sanchez.
it just it's it's it's it's really not an upgrade um yeah i like gallo a lot i like the fit there
even though that he's not super you know he's not really ctz i mean he walks he does walk a lot
yeah he walks a lot but i mean like there's a lot of swing and miss in his game as well yep um
and so yeah i i i really like that idea i just you're probably going to have to come to the table
with a little you know with something a little more interesting though i mean we we talked about this
earlier, I don't know, like about a couple
weeks ago, a couple of fanfiction Fridays ago.
That like, second writer is probably a good piece to help you get Gallo.
Right.
Like that, that's probably going to, that would probably help.
That would probably get things rolling a little bit.
I think Maco and second writer might get you gallo.
Yeah, maybe.
Yeah.
I think it's at least, I don't know.
Well, and then if you add Murphy into that, you know, that gives them a backup catcher.
Yeah, but then you have to go out and get another catcher.
and you're trying to
No, obviously, yes,
so it just doesn't really feel.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, just speaking from the Yankees side, though,
I think that might be able to get it done.
It's kind of a, I don't know,
it just, it really depends on how they feel about stack around it,
how they feel about Murphy and how much they want Maco.
Yeah.
So, all right, let's move on to Derek's second trade here, though.
It's with another AOL East team,
Blue Jays this time.
And he says,
his second trade is real optimistic, but he thinks it's fun.
and I agree with him.
I think it's fun.
It's really out there.
This would never happen.
But listen to this, Colby.
Blue Jays get Brandon Williamson,
Mitch Hanager, Tom Murphy, Levi Stout
for Tay Oscar Hernandez and Reese McGuire.
That's pretty steep overpay for Seattle.
Yeah, that's a lot for Day Oscar, right?
I mean, Tay Oscar's good, though.
Yeah, but you get him for two years.
You only get them for two years.
So you give up one year of Hanager for two years of Teosker.
But to get that extra year, it costs you Williamson and Stout and Stout and Murphy.
Well, Murphy is probably more like for McGuire, but yeah.
Right.
And so that's, but like just take away Hanager and Teosker from this deal.
Or sorry, take away McGuire and Murphy from this deal.
It's Williamson, Hannager, and Stout for Hernandez.
You're giving away two of your top 10 prospects for one extra year.
of a guy who's basically Mitch Hanigar.
Mm-hmm.
He's a little bit better defensively.
He's a little bit better, but is he Brandon Williamson and Levi Stout better?
No.
And the difference between Reese McGuire and Tom Murphy is not those guys.
So this is a steep overpay from the Mariners side of things.
I like the Reese McGuire idea because, you know,
we've talked a lot about catcher
but
like Williams
from parking lots
I mean yeah
dollar store parking lots
in particular
which somehow makes that worse
but yeah
and I mean like Williamson's like a potential number three
and like Levi Stout is like
an ace like everybody knows this
so like
it's just it's way too much
to give up for those two guys
I just Levi Stout is
out is a lot better than Ty
gives them credit for.
So yeah, it's a hard
pass for me.
I'm going to give this deal
42 for
creativity.
And then I'm going to give the
the Yankee one, like a
32.
I would like actually reverse those.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
I just.
He doesn't get
bonus points for just being fun and out there?
No. Not when you're this far off.
I'll give you three bonus points,
35 for the Blue Jays trade.
All right.
I thought it was fun.
It made me laugh, but like,
you guys are all sleeping on Levi Stout. That's all I'm going to say.
Is that what it did it for you?
If we took Levi Stout out of the deal, what would it be?
I still wouldn't like it.
it'd be like a what what grade would you give it 40
there you go I worked them down I worked him down or up
no you didn't you propose completely different hypothetical that changed my
outcome that's not working hush hush hush hush Coveby Cully
nobody cares not yeah okay ha ha you're not good at that
all right we got more trade proposals to go over
in the next 20 minutes or so
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for your Mariners trade proposals. You got a fun one here from Matthew. It's kind of convoluted.
A lot of money changing hands here. The Mariners get Sunny Gray and Josh Donaldson. The twins get
Mike Mustakis and Brandon Williamson and the Reds get Levi Stout. So obviously because Levi Stout is
here. Colby's automatically going to give it a 25.
But Colby, how do you feel about this deal?
It's about a 25.
No, like, here's my thing.
So the Reds are giving up Mustakis and Gray,
and they're only getting Levi Stout.
Which considering Musacus's contract,
yeah, I think that works.
And we know the Reds like Levi Stout because they're not stupid.
So that part's fine.
My question is, is that,
Why would the twins trade Josh Donaldson for Mike Mustakis?
Like the twins don't appear to me to be a team that is trying to rebuild.
And Donaldson is still very good.
Like you can bank on Donaldson to be pretty good.
Mastakis, probably not.
So are they going to do that for Brandon Williamson?
Maybe.
but I kind of doubt it.
But it's certainly interesting and most of the parts fit.
So I'll give it a 50.
Like it's solid.
It's pretty well put together.
Yeah, I'm going to give this honestly a 52.
I like it.
I like it.
I think there's definitely something to at least build on here, if anything.
So let's go to Nate who has.
a trade
I'll say
Salvador Perez
Rolls catcher for
Noel V Martay
Zach De Loach and Sam Carlson
Colby
The Royal say no and the
Mariners say no
so yeah
yeah it
Colby Salmador Perez is a
Hall of Fame catcher
I mean
no but
uh
yeah
The problem is a fun debate that was going on over the course of the summer.
Yeah.
Salvador Perez is a nice player who should not be catching as much as he is.
He's not good.
He is a guy whose reputation as a defensive catcher has exceeded his actual value of doing it.
He's a terrible framer.
Basically, the only thing that Salvador Perez does well behind the dish is pretty, he throws
pretty well still. But this is a guy who's trending hard towards first base
DH. He's got a $20 million a year deal. Over the next four years, he's already 31, and
the Mariners have to give up Noel V. Marte, who's 20, and has seven years of club control and
is going to play a third base probably. Yeah. I just, like, to me, no, the Royals aren't going to
do that because the Royals are, again, they're kind of trying to trend in the other direction
and trading Salvador Perez is not going to help them do that.
You know, plus the Royals don't trade guys.
Like, like, remember, they just let Hosmer walk.
They let Mustakis walk.
Like, they could have traded those guys and they decided not to.
They just kind of let them play out the strings.
So the Royals don't really trade like the guys who come through their system,
or at least they haven't.
And that's the same front office.
And they just signed Perez.
so I don't I don't think they're interested in moving Perez
but if the mayor did make this offer
and Kansas City said no they would be stupid
but I think the Kansas City would say no
so yeah I just don't think this works for either side
I think it's a bad deal for both teams
well I don't think it's a bad deal for Kansas City
I just don't think they're smart enough to do that
so yeah I'll get like a 30
yeah I'm gonna go
30 as well
Yeah
All right
At Dower
Optimist
Justice Sheffield
To the Reds for Jeff Hoffman
Kind of a
Garbage for garbage
Here
Garbage for garbage
Yeah
Hoffman's
You know
I mean
Hoffman
Has a likelier chance of helping you in
22 than Sheffield
But
you know
Yeah but you still want to
like are we just like completely giving up on the idea that justice sheffield can help you in some capacity because i'm not quite there yet
um not that you know he shouldn't start or anything like that for the mariners uh at the beginning of the year
but you know i think people forget that what we saw in 2020 was a pretty good pitcher uh justice sheffield so um yeah
it's not that you know i oppose to jeffman it's not that i'm opposed to to trading sheffield i's
if I'm trading Sheffield, I want somebody who's a little bit more likely to help me than Hoffman.
Hoffman could help me and it's, you know, definitely gets strikeouts.
Yeah, but the walks.
He also walks a lot of guys.
13.4% last year.
That's a lot.
Yeah.
And the Mariners don't really need the help in the bullpen.
So I would rather just, you know, he threw 73 innings, which is a good amount for really.
He made 11 starts.
Oh, he made 11 start?
Is that just opening, though?
I think it might.
No, it couldn't have been because he only pitched 31 games.
So he had to have made some start, like some lengthy start.
So no, I just, to me, this is just no.
I'd rather keep Sheffield and just kind of see what he is.
And then, like, I'll be able to trade Sheffield for a mediocre reliever in July,
even if he's not pitching all that well with the coma.
Like, I can still do that because somebody will like
slider they'll like the athleticism they'll like the age and they'll like the
the top former top prospect label so i can probably get a jeffman equivalent in july
but if i hold on to justice now and he pitches well i could probably do a little bit better
yeah so no thanks i get the idea behind it though yeah um there isn't really a number that i'll
give this it's more just like a me out of 80 you know indifference
Yeah, indifference.
Yeah, yeah, it's a difference.
In difference.
I'll give it like a, I'll give like a 45.
Like I get the idea behind it.
And it's, it's not a terrible idea.
It's maybe.
Yeah, I guess the, I guess the MESS score, the indifference score is like 42 for me, you know, 40.
Yeah.
Yeah, sure.
Why not?
What was Nick Senzel for Justice Sheffield?
Ooh.
Yeah, I'd probably take that flyer.
Yeah.
I don't know if the Reds would do that.
that though. I don't know, man. They're pretty
tired of Senzel. So like it's a
flyer for a former top prospect for former
top prospect. True.
So that would be an, that would be
like a 50 for me is Nick
Sinzell for Sheffield. Although I think you're right. I think
the Reds would probably just say no.
But I think they'd think about it.
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All right, Colby, you know how much we love Vidal Bruhan on here, and Daisy and the Dingo wants to know if we would trade Matt Brash for him, straight up.
Hmm.
No.
It's very enticing.
It is.
It is.
But my answer is no.
Would the rays do this?
I think there's also good.
You think so?
Yeah, Brash fits what they like.
He's such a great prospect.
You can do whatever you want with them,
pitching, relieving, opening, closing.
The race have a ton of up-the-middle guys,
and they covet young cheap starting pitching
because it's the jewel of Major League Baseball
and have that, especially when you're a team
who will not spend like the race won't.
So I think they would.
Or at least they would,
strongly considerate.
Heck, you might even be able to do something like,
we'll take Bruchon or Bruhan and Kevin Kierre,
like all that money for Matt Brash.
You might actually be able to get a little bit more
because it helps the raise
losing a three-win center fielder
because he's making $14 million.
You know what I mean?
So I think they would.
I think the ages are very similar.
I guess the question is,
what I.
And my answer for now is no, but it is very enticing.
Yeah.
Man, yeah.
You know how much I love Matt Brash.
I have to say no.
It would destroy my brand as Matt Brash stand tied in Gonzalez.
I hope it happens.
So you know the pain I felt when they traded Austin Chenton for a player I really like.
It would hurt.
It would hurt.
Brandon Williams,
trading Brandon Williamson would really hurt.
That's going to be funny.
There's a lot of guys that look,
and I know we're the ones that have long preets,
you know,
don't prospect,
hug,
all this stuff.
But there are some guys that I do feel attached to in the system.
Matt Brash is certainly one of those guys.
I'm going to give this deal like a 55 though.
Or actually,
honestly,
it might be 60.
Yes,
it is very interesting.
And we could probably do a whole episode,
just debating the mayor.
of the particular trade.
So which we might have to end up doing eventually because, you know,
yay, MLB owners.
Yeah, geez.
Good job, guys.
So, yeah, maybe next Wednesday.
That's the whole show.
Brash versus Bruhan.
Yeah.
But yeah, it's a really good, interesting trade offer.
You know, maybe get the guys.
What's your score?
55, 60.
Yeah.
Yeah, the only reason that it's not higher for me,
higher than a 60 is because I probably wouldn't do it.
you know, but I get it.
Coward.
It's a really good trade offer.
This might be one of our best, honestly, that we've gotten.
It's certainly one of the more, like, close, like.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, if I took the Ray side and you took the Mariners side,
we could legitimately talk about it for like 30 minutes.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, for sure.
But, yeah, it's a good one.
All right, let's move on.
Aiden has one of his, you know, of course,
he's got a very minor trade.
with someone that I didn't even know
existed until about 30 minutes ago
when we started prep for the show.
Tigers received Mr. 20,000.
Jose Godoy for second base
slash shortstop prospect, Corey Joyce.
Just no comment.
You can't trade Mr. 20K.
I'm sorry.
Not for some derpy-looking.
And for that, you get a 20.
I mean, you can't trade.
certainly can't do it for a dopey looking infielder who was pretty bad across he played like four
levels last year and he was bad at all of them except for the level where he played like three
games like he played 45 games across like four levels how do you find these guys aiden
you just have like a minor leaguer generator um and then you just try to make a bit a trade package
around that because that's what it seems like so kudos for the effort you go into finding these
guys, but you can pry Mr. 20,000 from my cold dead hands.
Yeah, so I don't know, realistically, it's like a 30, I guess.
I don't know.
It's probably a 30 because Godoy right now is probably your third catcher and you need
that guy.
So, yeah, that's probably as high as it can go.
All right.
Daisy and the Dingo's got another deal.
And it's a three-team deal, of course.
Of course.
It's kind of Daisy and the Dingos brand.
Jeff McNeil to the Mariners.
Tyler Malley and Diego Castillo to the Mets.
And Levi Stout, Ronnie Maricio, and J.T. Genn to the Reds.
I think the Mets are giving up too much.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So for the Mariners.
Yeah.
When you include McNeil going to Seattle.
Yeah.
It's on top of Marys.
McNeil's
I really like again, by the way.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Well,
he's the first round prospect before he got hurt.
So like,
yeah.
Yeah, it's too much for the Mets to give up.
The Mariners getting McNeil for stout and Castillo.
Might be a little aggressive even.
But like,
it's fine.
That part's fine.
And then like,
obviously Malley and Castillo both help the Mets a lot.
But again,
to give up Maricio.
and Ginn and McNeil
I just I don't think they would do that
but I think it's
I think it's a starting point that that could work
a framework so I would give it like a 50
4550 yeah I think the three teams line up pretty well
for a three team deal yep
yeah I'll give it a
I'll give it like a 48 to a 50
I think it's pretty solid
sure there's a starting point there like you said
so hobo de poto one of our favorite twitter names
has a deal with the world champion braves
in which the mariners get awesome Riley for no all v. Martay
Matt Brash and Zach Lodge.
Zero.
That is not going to happen.
Awesome Riley is coming off of a great postseason.
The Braves are not going to trade from their major league roster
at least in that sense, right?
To that kind of extreme.
Riley is under club control through 2025.
yeah
look marty and brash
and deloche that's a great package
but I just don't see the Braves
justifying this whatsoever
no the Braves actually have a good
stash of young pitching
so non-zero chance
brash is a bullpen guy for them
and then Deloche is like a fourth outbuilder
so noelves at least two year
at least a year away from the big leagues
and probably at least two or three years away
from putting up the year that Austin Riley did
yeah
So yeah, if Austin Riley was on a bad team, we could talk.
But because he's on the world champs who are going to try and repeat, he's not going anywhere.
So valuation, I think it's about right.
The overall, just, you know, in a vacuum, fine, but without a vacuum, it just falls apart pretty quick.
So.
30.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just because of the unrealistic nature of.
of it. Yeah, it's just because of the situation.
Like you said, I think the valuation is pretty solid,
but I think it's about right. Maybe a little
high on the Mariners end, but it's about right.
All right. The couch GM.
Mariners get Luis Gill and
Gio Orshella for Levi Stout
and Luis Torens. That's who the Yankees get in that deal.
Zero. You're not giving up
Levi Stout and Louis Turen's in the same deal.
Get out of here. Those
are two future all-stars.
Should be ashamed of yourself.
Yeah, this trade is like Colby's nightmare, honestly.
Well, it's just funny.
I like Urchella and I think Gil, although I think it's pronounced heel.
Heal?
I think so.
I think so.
I think so.
But I don't know.
This dude's got really good stuff.
If you're looking for like a breakout, like I think he's still eligible for rookie of the year.
Like if you're looking for a sneaky like put 50 bucks win 5,000.
on a rookie of the year guy might be gill he's really good but for that reason i don't see the
yankees giving him up um he's probably going to start the year um in the yankees bullpen or
rotation uh stout probably a year away uh maybe only a couple months but still the ups the upside
of stout is is probably the same as gill um and so then it's ursela for deloche and turenz
the Yankees kind of need her shallow right now.
And Torens just isn't a good fit there.
They already have Gary Sanchez,
who is basically the same guy.
So,
yeah,
I just,
I don't think this helps the 20,
22 Yankees enough for them to pull the trigger on this deal.
I think it actually hurts them in 2020.
So,
yeah,
it's a 35.
I'll give it a 35,
which is generous,
considering you're trading away Levi Stout and Luis Turenz.
Yeah.
I'll give it a
I think just in terms of pure valuation
it's it's fine
yeah you know
there's probably maybe a little something more
that the mariners have to give up in this
but yeah
just in terms of the situation itself
kind of like the awesome rally deal
yeah that's going to drive the score pretty low
so I'm going to go 35 as well
actually
and then our final one is
is a funky monkey,
uh,
who says,
uh,
mariner's get,
uh,
Oriel's right-handed pitching prospect,
Cole,
uh,
Co,
Co.
you,
UVLA.
I'm sorry.
I don't know how to pronounce this name.
Uh,
UVI,
LA,
uh,
for White Mills.
And,
uh,
funky monkey says,
look into,
uh,
to Cole when you guys get the chance.
Amazing story slash journey to get where he is today.
High 90s fastball,
elite spin rate breaking pitches.
I grew up playing with him in Port Angeles, Washington.
So what do you think about trading mills for someone that's kind of got that profile that funky monkey described?
Yeah.
He's a former 40th round pick of the Rangers, by the way.
Yeah, yeah, from Port Angeles.
He had a really bad 2021, but it seems like he's kind of reinvented himself.
Those are the guys you take a shot on in minor league free agency.
trading Wyatt Mills
who is,
I still think he's a majorly quality reliever.
He kind of got jerked around by the Mariners.
He was up for three weeks without pitching,
and then they sent him back down,
and they call him up for another two weeks,
and they'd make, like, one appearance.
Like, I think White Mills got kind of a raw deal.
I know Ty hates White Mills,
but I still think there's at least a middle reliever there.
I mean, you're completely right that he did get a raw deal here.
Like, he got called up and just set in the bullpins.
for days on days on days.
No action.
Yeah, he pitched in 11 games.
And I think if you look at his game log,
those 11 games probably came in about a 65-day stretch
where he was just in the mayor's bullpen.
So obviously that's not a lot.
So, yeah, he made his debut on May 1st,
and then the 3rd, and then the 8th, then the 9th,
then the 12th, then the 21st, and then, yeah.
I mean, it was insane.
And then he went down to the miners.
I think Wyatt Mills is still at least the middle reliever.
If the murderers did this deal, I wouldn't care.
Like, I don't love Wyatt Mills by any stretch.
And obviously, the spin rates are really good and the velocity's up and all that.
It's a lottery ticket worth taking them.
But I think I just prefer Mills just because I know who he is.
And, like, I've seen him.
And I believe that there is something there.
So, but yeah, I mean, like, this is kind of one of those indifference.
Like, cool.
local guy, like,
maybe turns his career around
to 28 years old.
Like, yeah, that'd be fun.
So, like, either way,
they do it, fine.
If they don't do it, yeah, I totally get wise.
So I'll give it like a 40, 45.
Yeah.
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