Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - FanFic Friday: Bruján, Mullins, Hoffman and More

Episode Date: February 19, 2022

Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode read and grade your Mariners trade proposals, including ideas for Ketel Marte, Merrill Kelly, Yandy Díaz and more.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On ...Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: lockedonmariners@gmail.comFollow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:02 You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on podcast network, your team every day. Welcome to Locked-on Mariners, and thank you so much for making us your first listen of the day. Today is Friday, February 18th, 2022. I am your host, Tadang Gonzalez. Join, as always, by my co-host, Colby Patnode. Follow us on Twitter at L-O- underscore Mariners.
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Starting point is 00:00:49 will be reading and grading the Mariners mock trades. You submitted to us via Twitter and email should be a lot of fun. And if this is your first time joining us, welcome to the show. If you like what you hear, give us a follow or subscribe wherever you're listening to this. We'd greatly appreciate it.
Starting point is 00:01:05 So let's hop into our email because we only have a couple in there. And shout out to the person that's signed up for Match.com using our locked on email. Whoever you are, honestly, I'm not even mad. But let us know who you are because that was honestly pretty funny. Let's start with Jayquah.
Starting point is 00:01:20 It was Jayquah. It was Jayquah, yeah. Yeah. Whoever it was lives in Houston, by the way. They put their zip code in there, which I mean come on fam what are we doing here
Starting point is 00:01:35 I guess just looking for love it was the day after valentines to be fair so I mean I can't hate on someone looking for love we all deserve love yeah well but you can't even access the account you can't even access we'll let you know we get any good matches or anything like that
Starting point is 00:01:52 yeah yeah we'll we'll let you know all right jquah wants to know if the mariners could trade noelvi marty and zach Lodz to the Orioles for Cedric Mullins. Colby. Noel Marte and Zach Deloche? Mm-hmm. No.
Starting point is 00:02:08 Yeah. Cedric Mollins is kind of an interesting guy because I don't know if you'd want to do that trade. If you're the Mariners, it kind of comes down to how much do you trust 2021 for Mollins. I think it's mostly real, but the guy was 33. 30. And he was worth almost six wins. And he did that at, you know, he did that at the age of 26 in his second year. I mean, he was never this, you know, projected to be this good. He was okay in 2020. But he kind of had like this insane breakout season. And so how much are you willing to bank on that being repeatable? You'd have to be willing to bank pretty hard because you're giving up no L.V. Marte. you know, six years, seven years of no L'Aa, basically, for four years of Mullins. I also don't think the Orioles would do this.
Starting point is 00:03:10 I think the Orioles put Mollins on the trade block technically, but it's one of those, hey, if somebody wants to give us Julio, you know, then we'll talk about it. But other than that, we're going to keep them. So I don't think it would be enough for the Orioles to take that deal. And I think it honestly might be a little too much for the Mariners to take that deal. because of your Seattle, would you rather have
Starting point is 00:03:35 Brian Reynolds or Cedric Mullins? Reynolds has done it more than once. So you probably have him and the cost will probably be about the same. So I don't think either side would do this. Although if I were the Orioles,
Starting point is 00:03:53 I would consider it. I'd say that. But the Orioles are also kind of trying to turn a corner here. So I just don't think the two sides are a good fit. Yeah, I, I just, I don't, I don't think that you're going to be able to get him for this package.
Starting point is 00:04:06 I don't think that really even gets you close. Might start the conversation at least, you know, with someone like Noel Alvey, you know, because of, of how he's regarded. But yeah, you're probably going to have to give up Julio to get Sederk Mullins at this point. So I am going to go 35 on this. Yeah, that's about right. by the way, Cedric Mullins went to Campbell University.
Starting point is 00:04:34 I believe they are the Campbell Camels and that is notable because that is the alma mater of one Gaylord Perry. Ooh. So there you go. Very nice. So thank you, J-Quah. Appreciate you
Starting point is 00:04:48 always submitting trade ideas over the last few weeks and looking forward to seeing what you come up with next week. Let's go on to Derek, who is actually a first time trade submitter, I guess we would say. And we actually know Derek.
Starting point is 00:05:06 Derek is Peter Steely Dan on Twitter at I Bash My Bros. He says he never submitted a proposal for Fanfic Friday, but the lockout has got him reeled down in the dumps. And he's got actually two deals that he wants us to look over here. The first one is Adam Maco, Tom Murphy, and Drew Steck and Rider for Joey Gallo and Gary Sanchez. And he says, Gallo gives the man. Mariners a lefty bat in outfield defense that doesn't make you face palm.
Starting point is 00:05:34 He says, I know Sanchez has been bad, but he put up incredible numbers in his first couple of years, and he may be a change of scenery away from doing it again. Even if Sanchez can't get it going, I believe his contract is only for 2022, and he hits more dingers than Tom. So, Colby, what do you think about this first deal from Derek? Well, there were a lot of a lot of moving parts in that deal. Maco, Murphy, and Steckenrider for Gallo and Sanchez. Yep.
Starting point is 00:06:05 So first of all, not enough from the Mariners. Second of all, Gallo and Sanchez both have their own issues. You know, Gallo obviously strikes out a ton, and Sanchez cannot catch. He's Luis Terenz behind the plate. Probably a little bit worse, even. And he hasn't been very good recently, like you mentioned. So I just I don't see the Yankees doing this. This is two major leaguers who help them at least somewhat in in 2022.
Starting point is 00:06:42 Murphy and Steckenrider probably not going to help them as much as Gallo and Sanchez. And they're going to do all that for Adam McO. I just I don't see it. I like Maco a lot. But again, the Yankees are looking to win now. So Macco doesn't do much good for them. Yeah, so it's kind of Steckenrider for Gallo and Murphy for Sanchez. And then Maco's the sweetener.
Starting point is 00:07:08 I just don't think that's going to be enough for the Yankees to take a look at this deal. And to be honest, I don't really want Gary Sanchez. Sure. That's fair. I'd rather just roll with Murphy, especially if I have to give up Adam Maco to make it happen. I'd probably just rather have Tom. For the reasons that you mentioned, I'm not a huge fan of Sanchez. either, you know, there's just a lot of downside there.
Starting point is 00:07:34 And yeah, I might honestly be able to get more value out of the catcher position from Tom Murphy than Gary Sanchez in 2022, just overall. I know that sounds wild, right? Just with the names that are involved here, I mean, it's Gary Sanchez after all. But yeah, having to throw Maco in the deal. I mean, this package probably gets you one of them, maybe. But not both. But, yeah, and again, like, you know, you're like you're saying right now, it's like, that might even be a stretch.
Starting point is 00:08:03 I mean, maybe for Sanchez, you might be able to get Sanchez with this. I'm not for Sanchez. No, it is one year of Sanchez. But like Sanchez over the last four years, 201, 299, 444, he's Mike Zanino minus the good defense. Imagine Mike Sanino's bat, bad Mike Sanino. Imagine his bat with Luis Turenz's defense. That's Gary Sanchez. it just it's it's it's it's really not an upgrade um yeah i like gallo a lot i like the fit there
Starting point is 00:08:34 even though that he's not super you know he's not really ctz i mean he walks he does walk a lot yeah he walks a lot but i mean like there's a lot of swing and miss in his game as well yep um and so yeah i i i really like that idea i just you're probably going to have to come to the table with a little you know with something a little more interesting though i mean we we talked about this earlier, I don't know, like about a couple weeks ago, a couple of fanfiction Fridays ago. That like, second writer is probably a good piece to help you get Gallo. Right.
Starting point is 00:09:06 Like that, that's probably going to, that would probably help. That would probably get things rolling a little bit. I think Maco and second writer might get you gallo. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. I think it's at least, I don't know. Well, and then if you add Murphy into that, you know, that gives them a backup catcher. Yeah, but then you have to go out and get another catcher.
Starting point is 00:09:27 and you're trying to No, obviously, yes, so it just doesn't really feel. Yeah. Yeah, no, just speaking from the Yankees side, though, I think that might be able to get it done. It's kind of a, I don't know, it just, it really depends on how they feel about stack around it,
Starting point is 00:09:40 how they feel about Murphy and how much they want Maco. Yeah. So, all right, let's move on to Derek's second trade here, though. It's with another AOL East team, Blue Jays this time. And he says, his second trade is real optimistic, but he thinks it's fun. and I agree with him.
Starting point is 00:09:57 I think it's fun. It's really out there. This would never happen. But listen to this, Colby. Blue Jays get Brandon Williamson, Mitch Hanager, Tom Murphy, Levi Stout for Tay Oscar Hernandez and Reese McGuire. That's pretty steep overpay for Seattle.
Starting point is 00:10:16 Yeah, that's a lot for Day Oscar, right? I mean, Tay Oscar's good, though. Yeah, but you get him for two years. You only get them for two years. So you give up one year of Hanager for two years of Teosker. But to get that extra year, it costs you Williamson and Stout and Stout and Murphy. Well, Murphy is probably more like for McGuire, but yeah. Right.
Starting point is 00:10:37 And so that's, but like just take away Hanager and Teosker from this deal. Or sorry, take away McGuire and Murphy from this deal. It's Williamson, Hannager, and Stout for Hernandez. You're giving away two of your top 10 prospects for one extra year. of a guy who's basically Mitch Hanigar. Mm-hmm. He's a little bit better defensively. He's a little bit better, but is he Brandon Williamson and Levi Stout better?
Starting point is 00:11:10 No. And the difference between Reese McGuire and Tom Murphy is not those guys. So this is a steep overpay from the Mariners side of things. I like the Reese McGuire idea because, you know, we've talked a lot about catcher but like Williams from parking lots
Starting point is 00:11:30 I mean yeah dollar store parking lots in particular which somehow makes that worse but yeah and I mean like Williamson's like a potential number three and like Levi Stout is like an ace like everybody knows this
Starting point is 00:11:45 so like it's just it's way too much to give up for those two guys I just Levi Stout is out is a lot better than Ty gives them credit for. So yeah, it's a hard pass for me.
Starting point is 00:12:03 I'm going to give this deal 42 for creativity. And then I'm going to give the the Yankee one, like a 32. I would like actually reverse those. Oh, really?
Starting point is 00:12:21 Yeah. I just. He doesn't get bonus points for just being fun and out there? No. Not when you're this far off. I'll give you three bonus points, 35 for the Blue Jays trade. All right.
Starting point is 00:12:37 I thought it was fun. It made me laugh, but like, you guys are all sleeping on Levi Stout. That's all I'm going to say. Is that what it did it for you? If we took Levi Stout out of the deal, what would it be? I still wouldn't like it. it'd be like a what what grade would you give it 40 there you go I worked them down I worked him down or up
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Starting point is 00:14:51 Thank you again for making us your first listen of the day. like you do here every day. We greatly appreciate your support. Let's head on over to Twitter for your Mariners trade proposals. You got a fun one here from Matthew. It's kind of convoluted. A lot of money changing hands here. The Mariners get Sunny Gray and Josh Donaldson. The twins get Mike Mustakis and Brandon Williamson and the Reds get Levi Stout. So obviously because Levi Stout is here. Colby's automatically going to give it a 25. But Colby, how do you feel about this deal? It's about a 25.
Starting point is 00:15:30 No, like, here's my thing. So the Reds are giving up Mustakis and Gray, and they're only getting Levi Stout. Which considering Musacus's contract, yeah, I think that works. And we know the Reds like Levi Stout because they're not stupid. So that part's fine. My question is, is that,
Starting point is 00:15:51 Why would the twins trade Josh Donaldson for Mike Mustakis? Like the twins don't appear to me to be a team that is trying to rebuild. And Donaldson is still very good. Like you can bank on Donaldson to be pretty good. Mastakis, probably not. So are they going to do that for Brandon Williamson? Maybe. but I kind of doubt it.
Starting point is 00:16:23 But it's certainly interesting and most of the parts fit. So I'll give it a 50. Like it's solid. It's pretty well put together. Yeah, I'm going to give this honestly a 52. I like it. I like it. I think there's definitely something to at least build on here, if anything.
Starting point is 00:16:46 So let's go to Nate who has. a trade I'll say Salvador Perez Rolls catcher for Noel V Martay Zach De Loach and Sam Carlson Colby
Starting point is 00:17:01 The Royal say no and the Mariners say no so yeah yeah it Colby Salmador Perez is a Hall of Fame catcher I mean no but
Starting point is 00:17:16 uh yeah The problem is a fun debate that was going on over the course of the summer. Yeah. Salvador Perez is a nice player who should not be catching as much as he is. He's not good. He is a guy whose reputation as a defensive catcher has exceeded his actual value of doing it. He's a terrible framer.
Starting point is 00:17:43 Basically, the only thing that Salvador Perez does well behind the dish is pretty, he throws pretty well still. But this is a guy who's trending hard towards first base DH. He's got a $20 million a year deal. Over the next four years, he's already 31, and the Mariners have to give up Noel V. Marte, who's 20, and has seven years of club control and is going to play a third base probably. Yeah. I just, like, to me, no, the Royals aren't going to do that because the Royals are, again, they're kind of trying to trend in the other direction and trading Salvador Perez is not going to help them do that. You know, plus the Royals don't trade guys.
Starting point is 00:18:27 Like, like, remember, they just let Hosmer walk. They let Mustakis walk. Like, they could have traded those guys and they decided not to. They just kind of let them play out the strings. So the Royals don't really trade like the guys who come through their system, or at least they haven't. And that's the same front office. And they just signed Perez.
Starting point is 00:18:43 so I don't I don't think they're interested in moving Perez but if the mayor did make this offer and Kansas City said no they would be stupid but I think the Kansas City would say no so yeah I just don't think this works for either side I think it's a bad deal for both teams well I don't think it's a bad deal for Kansas City I just don't think they're smart enough to do that
Starting point is 00:19:05 so yeah I'll get like a 30 yeah I'm gonna go 30 as well Yeah All right At Dower Optimist Justice Sheffield
Starting point is 00:19:20 To the Reds for Jeff Hoffman Kind of a Garbage for garbage Here Garbage for garbage Yeah Hoffman's You know
Starting point is 00:19:30 I mean Hoffman Has a likelier chance of helping you in 22 than Sheffield But you know Yeah but you still want to like are we just like completely giving up on the idea that justice sheffield can help you in some capacity because i'm not quite there yet
Starting point is 00:19:52 um not that you know he shouldn't start or anything like that for the mariners uh at the beginning of the year but you know i think people forget that what we saw in 2020 was a pretty good pitcher uh justice sheffield so um yeah it's not that you know i oppose to jeffman it's not that i'm opposed to to trading sheffield i's if I'm trading Sheffield, I want somebody who's a little bit more likely to help me than Hoffman. Hoffman could help me and it's, you know, definitely gets strikeouts. Yeah, but the walks. He also walks a lot of guys. 13.4% last year.
Starting point is 00:20:29 That's a lot. Yeah. And the Mariners don't really need the help in the bullpen. So I would rather just, you know, he threw 73 innings, which is a good amount for really. He made 11 starts. Oh, he made 11 start? Is that just opening, though? I think it might.
Starting point is 00:20:45 No, it couldn't have been because he only pitched 31 games. So he had to have made some start, like some lengthy start. So no, I just, to me, this is just no. I'd rather keep Sheffield and just kind of see what he is. And then, like, I'll be able to trade Sheffield for a mediocre reliever in July, even if he's not pitching all that well with the coma. Like, I can still do that because somebody will like slider they'll like the athleticism they'll like the age and they'll like the
Starting point is 00:21:15 the top former top prospect label so i can probably get a jeffman equivalent in july but if i hold on to justice now and he pitches well i could probably do a little bit better yeah so no thanks i get the idea behind it though yeah um there isn't really a number that i'll give this it's more just like a me out of 80 you know indifference Yeah, indifference. Yeah, yeah, it's a difference. In difference. I'll give it like a, I'll give like a 45.
Starting point is 00:21:49 Like I get the idea behind it. And it's, it's not a terrible idea. It's maybe. Yeah, I guess the, I guess the MESS score, the indifference score is like 42 for me, you know, 40. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Why not? What was Nick Senzel for Justice Sheffield?
Starting point is 00:22:09 Ooh. Yeah, I'd probably take that flyer. Yeah. I don't know if the Reds would do that. that though. I don't know, man. They're pretty tired of Senzel. So like it's a flyer for a former top prospect for former top prospect. True.
Starting point is 00:22:21 So that would be an, that would be like a 50 for me is Nick Sinzell for Sheffield. Although I think you're right. I think the Reds would probably just say no. But I think they'd think about it. All right. So we got a few more trades to go over, but real quick, I want to remind you this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you
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Starting point is 00:23:10 Head to the website today or use your mobile. device to learn more about the trends and action. Bet online where the game starts. All right, Colby, you know how much we love Vidal Bruhan on here, and Daisy and the Dingo wants to know if we would trade Matt Brash for him, straight up. Hmm. No. It's very enticing. It is.
Starting point is 00:23:36 It is. But my answer is no. Would the rays do this? I think there's also good. You think so? Yeah, Brash fits what they like. He's such a great prospect. You can do whatever you want with them,
Starting point is 00:23:54 pitching, relieving, opening, closing. The race have a ton of up-the-middle guys, and they covet young cheap starting pitching because it's the jewel of Major League Baseball and have that, especially when you're a team who will not spend like the race won't. So I think they would. Or at least they would,
Starting point is 00:24:15 strongly considerate. Heck, you might even be able to do something like, we'll take Bruchon or Bruhan and Kevin Kierre, like all that money for Matt Brash. You might actually be able to get a little bit more because it helps the raise losing a three-win center fielder because he's making $14 million.
Starting point is 00:24:37 You know what I mean? So I think they would. I think the ages are very similar. I guess the question is, what I. And my answer for now is no, but it is very enticing. Yeah. Man, yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:57 You know how much I love Matt Brash. I have to say no. It would destroy my brand as Matt Brash stand tied in Gonzalez. I hope it happens. So you know the pain I felt when they traded Austin Chenton for a player I really like. It would hurt. It would hurt. Brandon Williams,
Starting point is 00:25:16 trading Brandon Williamson would really hurt. That's going to be funny. There's a lot of guys that look, and I know we're the ones that have long preets, you know, don't prospect, hug, all this stuff.
Starting point is 00:25:26 But there are some guys that I do feel attached to in the system. Matt Brash is certainly one of those guys. I'm going to give this deal like a 55 though. Or actually, honestly, it might be 60. Yes, it is very interesting.
Starting point is 00:25:40 And we could probably do a whole episode, just debating the mayor. of the particular trade. So which we might have to end up doing eventually because, you know, yay, MLB owners. Yeah, geez. Good job, guys. So, yeah, maybe next Wednesday.
Starting point is 00:25:55 That's the whole show. Brash versus Bruhan. Yeah. But yeah, it's a really good, interesting trade offer. You know, maybe get the guys. What's your score? 55, 60. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:11 Yeah, the only reason that it's not higher for me, higher than a 60 is because I probably wouldn't do it. you know, but I get it. Coward. It's a really good trade offer. This might be one of our best, honestly, that we've gotten. It's certainly one of the more, like, close, like. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:29 Yeah. Like, if I took the Ray side and you took the Mariners side, we could legitimately talk about it for like 30 minutes. You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. But, yeah, it's a good one. All right, let's move on. Aiden has one of his, you know, of course,
Starting point is 00:26:43 he's got a very minor trade. with someone that I didn't even know existed until about 30 minutes ago when we started prep for the show. Tigers received Mr. 20,000. Jose Godoy for second base slash shortstop prospect, Corey Joyce. Just no comment.
Starting point is 00:27:06 You can't trade Mr. 20K. I'm sorry. Not for some derpy-looking. And for that, you get a 20. I mean, you can't trade. certainly can't do it for a dopey looking infielder who was pretty bad across he played like four levels last year and he was bad at all of them except for the level where he played like three games like he played 45 games across like four levels how do you find these guys aiden
Starting point is 00:27:34 you just have like a minor leaguer generator um and then you just try to make a bit a trade package around that because that's what it seems like so kudos for the effort you go into finding these guys, but you can pry Mr. 20,000 from my cold dead hands. Yeah, so I don't know, realistically, it's like a 30, I guess. I don't know. It's probably a 30 because Godoy right now is probably your third catcher and you need that guy. So, yeah, that's probably as high as it can go.
Starting point is 00:28:15 All right. Daisy and the Dingo's got another deal. And it's a three-team deal, of course. Of course. It's kind of Daisy and the Dingos brand. Jeff McNeil to the Mariners. Tyler Malley and Diego Castillo to the Mets. And Levi Stout, Ronnie Maricio, and J.T. Genn to the Reds.
Starting point is 00:28:35 I think the Mets are giving up too much. Yeah. Yeah. So for the Mariners. Yeah. When you include McNeil going to Seattle. Yeah. It's on top of Marys.
Starting point is 00:28:48 McNeil's I really like again, by the way. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, he's the first round prospect before he got hurt. So like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:56 Yeah, it's too much for the Mets to give up. The Mariners getting McNeil for stout and Castillo. Might be a little aggressive even. But like, it's fine. That part's fine. And then like, obviously Malley and Castillo both help the Mets a lot.
Starting point is 00:29:18 But again, to give up Maricio. and Ginn and McNeil I just I don't think they would do that but I think it's I think it's a starting point that that could work a framework so I would give it like a 50 4550 yeah I think the three teams line up pretty well
Starting point is 00:29:37 for a three team deal yep yeah I'll give it a I'll give it like a 48 to a 50 I think it's pretty solid sure there's a starting point there like you said so hobo de poto one of our favorite twitter names has a deal with the world champion braves in which the mariners get awesome Riley for no all v. Martay
Starting point is 00:30:03 Matt Brash and Zach Lodge. Zero. That is not going to happen. Awesome Riley is coming off of a great postseason. The Braves are not going to trade from their major league roster at least in that sense, right? To that kind of extreme. Riley is under club control through 2025.
Starting point is 00:30:21 yeah look marty and brash and deloche that's a great package but I just don't see the Braves justifying this whatsoever no the Braves actually have a good stash of young pitching so non-zero chance
Starting point is 00:30:39 brash is a bullpen guy for them and then Deloche is like a fourth outbuilder so noelves at least two year at least a year away from the big leagues and probably at least two or three years away from putting up the year that Austin Riley did yeah So yeah, if Austin Riley was on a bad team, we could talk.
Starting point is 00:30:57 But because he's on the world champs who are going to try and repeat, he's not going anywhere. So valuation, I think it's about right. The overall, just, you know, in a vacuum, fine, but without a vacuum, it just falls apart pretty quick. So. 30. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:19 Just because of the unrealistic nature of. of it. Yeah, it's just because of the situation. Like you said, I think the valuation is pretty solid, but I think it's about right. Maybe a little high on the Mariners end, but it's about right. All right. The couch GM. Mariners get Luis Gill and Gio Orshella for Levi Stout
Starting point is 00:31:37 and Luis Torens. That's who the Yankees get in that deal. Zero. You're not giving up Levi Stout and Louis Turen's in the same deal. Get out of here. Those are two future all-stars. Should be ashamed of yourself. Yeah, this trade is like Colby's nightmare, honestly. Well, it's just funny.
Starting point is 00:31:58 I like Urchella and I think Gil, although I think it's pronounced heel. Heal? I think so. I think so. I think so. But I don't know. This dude's got really good stuff. If you're looking for like a breakout, like I think he's still eligible for rookie of the year.
Starting point is 00:32:17 Like if you're looking for a sneaky like put 50 bucks win 5,000. on a rookie of the year guy might be gill he's really good but for that reason i don't see the yankees giving him up um he's probably going to start the year um in the yankees bullpen or rotation uh stout probably a year away uh maybe only a couple months but still the ups the upside of stout is is probably the same as gill um and so then it's ursela for deloche and turenz the Yankees kind of need her shallow right now. And Torens just isn't a good fit there. They already have Gary Sanchez,
Starting point is 00:32:55 who is basically the same guy. So, yeah, I just, I don't think this helps the 20, 22 Yankees enough for them to pull the trigger on this deal. I think it actually hurts them in 2020. So,
Starting point is 00:33:08 yeah, it's a 35. I'll give it a 35, which is generous, considering you're trading away Levi Stout and Luis Turenz. Yeah. I'll give it a I think just in terms of pure valuation
Starting point is 00:33:22 it's it's fine yeah you know there's probably maybe a little something more that the mariners have to give up in this but yeah just in terms of the situation itself kind of like the awesome rally deal yeah that's going to drive the score pretty low
Starting point is 00:33:40 so I'm going to go 35 as well actually and then our final one is is a funky monkey, uh, who says, uh, mariner's get,
Starting point is 00:33:53 uh, Oriel's right-handed pitching prospect, Cole, uh, Co, Co. you, UVLA.
Starting point is 00:33:59 I'm sorry. I don't know how to pronounce this name. Uh, UVI, LA, uh, for White Mills. And,
Starting point is 00:34:07 uh, funky monkey says, look into, uh, to Cole when you guys get the chance. Amazing story slash journey to get where he is today. High 90s fastball, elite spin rate breaking pitches.
Starting point is 00:34:17 I grew up playing with him in Port Angeles, Washington. So what do you think about trading mills for someone that's kind of got that profile that funky monkey described? Yeah. He's a former 40th round pick of the Rangers, by the way. Yeah, yeah, from Port Angeles. He had a really bad 2021, but it seems like he's kind of reinvented himself. Those are the guys you take a shot on in minor league free agency. trading Wyatt Mills
Starting point is 00:34:48 who is, I still think he's a majorly quality reliever. He kind of got jerked around by the Mariners. He was up for three weeks without pitching, and then they sent him back down, and they call him up for another two weeks, and they'd make, like, one appearance. Like, I think White Mills got kind of a raw deal.
Starting point is 00:35:05 I know Ty hates White Mills, but I still think there's at least a middle reliever there. I mean, you're completely right that he did get a raw deal here. Like, he got called up and just set in the bullpins. for days on days on days. No action. Yeah, he pitched in 11 games. And I think if you look at his game log,
Starting point is 00:35:24 those 11 games probably came in about a 65-day stretch where he was just in the mayor's bullpen. So obviously that's not a lot. So, yeah, he made his debut on May 1st, and then the 3rd, and then the 8th, then the 9th, then the 12th, then the 21st, and then, yeah. I mean, it was insane. And then he went down to the miners.
Starting point is 00:35:48 I think Wyatt Mills is still at least the middle reliever. If the murderers did this deal, I wouldn't care. Like, I don't love Wyatt Mills by any stretch. And obviously, the spin rates are really good and the velocity's up and all that. It's a lottery ticket worth taking them. But I think I just prefer Mills just because I know who he is. And, like, I've seen him. And I believe that there is something there.
Starting point is 00:36:08 So, but yeah, I mean, like, this is kind of one of those indifference. Like, cool. local guy, like, maybe turns his career around to 28 years old. Like, yeah, that'd be fun. So, like, either way, they do it, fine.
Starting point is 00:36:24 If they don't do it, yeah, I totally get wise. So I'll give it like a 40, 45. Yeah. All right. Well, that's going to do it for our show today. And thank you so much for joining us here on lockdown Mariners for Colby Patnode. I'm Tadang Gonzalez. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at LO underscore Mariners.
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