Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - FanFic Friday: Ramírez, Slater, Happ and More

Episode Date: February 5, 2022

Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode read and grade your Mariners trade proposals, including ideas for José Ramírez, Austin Slater, Ian Happ and more.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order.BetOnline AGThere is only 1 place that has you covered and 1 place we trust. Betonline.ag! Sign up today for a free account at betonline.ag and use that promocode: LOCKEDON for your 50% welcome bonus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Welcome to Locked-on Mariners, and thank you so much for making us your first listen of the day. Today is Friday, February 4th, 2020. I am your host, Tadayin Gonzalez. Join, as always by my co-host, Colby Patnode. Follow us on Twitter at L-O-U-U-U-U-N-R-N-Riners.

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wherever you're listening to this, we'd greatly appreciate it. So let's start with the two trades that we got via email. Actually, I believe we got three. There was two in one of the emails. Let's start with Cole here, though, who has a deal with the Marlins, in which the Mariners get Sandy Alcantara for Harry Ford, Levi Stout, and Zach Deloche. What do you think? Alcantara is not available.

He just signed an extension with the Marlins. They're not trading him. It doesn't really matter what you throw at them. They're not going to take it at this stage. You could throw Julio at them. They're not going to take it. So, yeah, in terms of, you know, had Alcantara not been signed to an extension, it's probably going to be a little light for the Marlins.

I think they would want their leading piece to be somebody who's closer to the big leagues because it seems like the Marlins are wanting to take that next step towards contention in the NL East. And so trading a number two starter who looked like an ace for large stretches of the year for a guy who's four or five years away, they're just not going to be. They just, I don't think they would be interested in that.

I think if they ever had a shot at Alcantara, it was probably going to be, have to be Julio or Jared Keldick before he signed the extension. So love the pitcher, but he's just simply not available to the Mariners. or to anybody. Yeah, love the pitcher's, love the pitcher as well, but he's, you know, yeah, for all the reasons that Colby said, he's, he's not available. So, and even if he was, this deal isn't going to get it done.

Harry Ford's, you know, fantastic prospect. We like Levi style. We like Zach Belote. But that's not going to get it done for Alcantra. I know that I said Alcantara earlier, but yeah, it would have to take like Julio, you know, Jared Kellnick, etc. If you're even trying to get the conversation going on that front, this is a guy that's a, that's an ace on the rise. So, uh, yeah, um, as, as, as, as, as, as as as as as as, as, as, as, as, as, as,

as, as, as, as, as, a, incredibly underrated. Um, it's just, uh, that's not even going to get anything going there. I don't think. Um, so I'll give it, um, 38. Colby. Yeah, probably 35. What are you feeling? yeah all right let's move on to jquah

who has a couple of deals one is uh brandon williamson to the aes for chris bassett so you willing to trade brandon williamson for your chris bassett no neither am i yeah it's uh like if i was getting more control like bassett's a good pitcher don't get me wrong here like he helps all that stuff but williamson's close um and you know he's got all the club control, all that stuff.

Like he's one of the better prospects in the Mariners system. Severely underrated leak wide, I feel, for the most part, I mean, he's starting to get his due a little bit. But yeah, for one year, Chris Bassett, I don't know. Like, that might be what it takes. I'll say that. Like, the A's might ask for Brandon Williamson.

But at that point, I think Jerry Depoto just says no. And I would, I would, I would say no as well. I just, that's a little too rich for my blood. Yeah, I just at that point, just go sign Michael Paneda.

I might trade somebody like Levi Stout for one year of asset, but even that, rather not. So, yeah, and I don't think you're going to have to do that. So I think you should be looking at guys more on the,

you know, Taylor, dollared and, Victor LaBrata or something like that type of deal instead of a classic one to one I'll give it a 40 Yeah same All right

Jayquah's other trade proposal Is another Jose Ramirez one he said You know he wants to go round two here He had a Jose Ramirez proposal last week So he's trying again It's Ramirez for Emerson Hancock Noelvie Martinez Levi Stout and Brandon Williamson.

So a hefty package for the Mariners side to try and get the perennial MVP candidate. How do you feel about this one? Yeah, that's probably what it would take. To, you know, assuming he's even available, which doesn't sound like Cleveland

wants to trade him right now. But I think, you know, they're going to trade him next year and or this winter, this next winter. So, I mean, like, he's playing his last year for Cleveland right here. So if I can get that, if I'm Cleveland, I understand that I'm never going to get a package that good for Ramirez if I keep them. So yeah, if I, if I were Cleveland, I would strongly consider doing that. Do I think they will or would? Probably not,

but that's more about Cleveland than it is the actual trade proposal. Yeah, I mean, we're talking about three potential top 100 prospects here in a really strong arm and Levi Stout as well. That's a huge get for Cleveland for a player that is ultimately going to be leaving within the next two years. So yeah, if I'm Cleveland, I would jump all over this because I know what's eventually going to happen here in the Jose Ramirez situation. I think we all do. But I'm not sure if they actually do it. but I think you you pretty much hit the nail right on the head here for the most part on this package. So, you know, I think maybe there would, the Cleveland would probably want someone that's already at the major league level somewhere in the steel.

I don't know where exactly, but, you know, Abraham Toro, Kyle Lewis, Luis, Friends, maybe one of those guys. It's interesting for them. But yeah, I mean, this is an incredible package that Cleveland would, should absolutely take. I have a little bit of hesitancy from the mariner's side, but ultimately in the end, you're getting a, like I said, a perennial MVP candidate and Jose Ramirez, one of the best third baseman in today's game. So I'm going to give this steel like a 55, actually.

Yeah, I think that sounds about right. Yeah. So good stuff there from the email, from Jayquah specifically. Yeah, awesome. All right, let's move on to Twitter here now and start with eight Crash Davis. on Twitter, who has a deal with the Orioles

in which the Mariners trade Matt Brash and Justice Sheffield for pitching prospect Kyle Bradish. My initial reaction is, why not just stick with Matt Brash and keep Justice Sheffield? Yep. I think Brash is definitively a better prospect than Bratiss, so. Yeah. I don't think they're,

I guess they're comparable when you look at their statistics and you can see why. But if they're comparable, why wouldn't you just keep the guy that you have? You know what I'm like? You're not upgrading clearly. And there's still a shot that Justice turns into something. I mean, he was a pretty good number four in 2020. So, you know, he's got a good slider. There's still enough there.

And he's got options. So it's not like he's burning a spot on your 40-man roster. And also that's the other thing. Both of those guys are on the 40 man. So, you know, you're clearing a space for you, but, you know, you're creating a problem for somebody else. So, uh, yeah, I just, I would just rather have brash. And so I'm not going to give up Sheffield for a lateral move in my opinion. It just doesn't make sense to me.

So, uh, no thanks. I'll pass. Yeah, same. I'm going to give this one like a 25 to a thing. Ouch. So 28. 28. Oh, okay. I'll give it like a 35 because I think the two pitchers are

like that's not that much better. I mean, yeah, it kind of is. Like that's that's a big jump to go from 25 to 35. That's like Daniel Vogelback speed. I said I said 28. I said 28. I said 25 to 30 and I landed on 28. Yeah, okay. What? a little over half a great. Okay, whatever you say. You're not coming out of here smelling like roses either here.

More than you. So, yeah, that's true. That's true. All right. So we got more trades on the way from Twitter, from you on Twitter. There's quite a few to go over. Don't know if we'll get on, if we'll be able to do all of them. But we're going to try to do as many as we can over the next couple of segments. But first a reminder, this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by Bill Barr.

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Thank you again for making us your first listen to the day, just like you do here every day. We greatly appreciate your support. Let's continue Fanfiction Friday with Michael Thompson at Michael T underscore 05. Says, not saying I'm for this, but I consider this the all-in move. Seattle acquires Jose Ramirez and Shane Bieber Cleveland acquires prospects

Noah LV Marte, Emerson, Hancock, Zach the Lodge, Brandon Williamson, and outfielders Kyle Lewis and Taylor Tremelt. Seattle gives up a ton, but can win immediately, he says. Colby, do you think this gets it done for Jose Ramirez and Shane Bieber? And how interested would you be in this? kind of deal.

I don't think it gets it done. Bieber, I think, has three years of club control left. And Ramirez has two. So you're getting two years of a MVP candidate and three years of a Sy Young Award candidate. Yeah.

That's going to be very pricey. And Hancock's value is down enough. Lewis's value is down enough. Tremel's value is down enough. That I just don't think this is something that Cleveland is going to do. Yeah. Because I don't think Cleveland is going to sell this year.

And we can talk about how that's a mistake or how we think it's a mistake, but I think that's the reality of it. So I think to get both of those two, you're going to have to include Julio or Kelnick or Gilbert or Kirby in any package that you have. So I don't think it's going to be enough. And, yeah, it's, it's okay. But it's, it's just, you can't, you can't trade those two guys together for an okay package.

You have to be blown away. And I don't think that does it. Looking at at Beaver is just the addition of that. It's just, it's so difficult to construct a trade package around that, you know? Like, it's just the, the addition. It's already hard enough to create a Jose Ramirez trade package. but when you add a perennial si young candidate when he's healthy to the mix as well it's just that that gets really convoluted not saying that it's impossible to make such a trade happen like that

i just i don't know it's hard to gauge what like cleveland would actually take for that you know so if they would be willing to to ship those guys off in separate deals and honestly it might be more beneficial to them to trade them in separate deals Right. See what else they can get for one while they, you know, they explore the market for the other. They don't have to do all of their shopping at one spot. Obviously, the Mariners, according to baseball America, have the best farm system of baseball. So that's a pretty good spot to do your shopping. But yeah, I mean, I don't know. This is a, it's a lot. So like, at the most, like, I'm not going to say this is a bad trade proposal. Because I really, I don't know. And Cleveland is also really weird. But I feel like I can't give it anything more than like a 42.

Because there's just like there's just so so many variables here. I'd probably give it like a 45. It's it certainly is. What's the word? Adventurous. And there are elements of it that I think Cleveland would like like getting Lewis and Williamson who are both. well, Lewis is in the big leagues. Williamson will be very soon,

and Tramel certainly fits, you know, what they, what they kind of look for. So I think there are some elements of it that work, but I just, I think if you put Kirby in there instead of Hancock, maybe you have a shot at it,

but I just, the Mariners aren't going to do that, and neither is Cleveland. So it's 45. All right, cool. So thank you, Michael,

or for the idea. It's certainly interesting, like I said. It's just, it's so hard with a deal like that when you're talking about two legitimate, you know, top tier players and trying to trade for them in one go. Let's move on to Brandon, Brandon Caba at Cabo with a three instead of an E. Who has a deal with the Giants, Tyler Beattie, Austin Slater, and Brett Auerbach for Levi Stout. And he posted a stat here, a screenshot of a stat here that showed, Tyler Biddy in 2019 was one of just five pitchers who had three of their pitch types

produce a swing and strike percentage of 15%. The others were Garrett Cole, Joe Musgrove, Noah Cindergarten, Zach Gallen. But since then, BD hasn't been productive, of course. Didn't pitch in 2019 or didn't pitch in 2020, rather. Only pitched an inning in 2021. I would assume that he's been injured. I don't I honestly wouldn't be able to tell you it seems like he had a back issue I believe so that's concerning

he's 28 years old now Slater I should have done more research honestly on this front 29 years old do you ever do you ever get this with like giants players where they all just kind of blend into one player and yeah for the life of me Steve like Dugger Yistrimskiy and and Slater like they're all completely different players and I'm just like

Yeah. Giant outfield. Yeah. Well, he was a giant. Yeah. They're all just kind of like, yeah.

Like I know they play for the giants. I can't tell you anything else about them. But now Slater is a 29 year old outfielder. Just turned 29. Last year in 129 games, 306 at-bats or played appearances. He had 12 home runs, stole 15 bags and hit 241,

320, 423. was worth 1.8 F4. Play some center field. I believe he is a lefty hitting specialist. Meaning he's a right-handed bat. But a solid player. Yeah, good player. Definitely.

Yeah. Yeah. And then Brett Hauerbach. Up the middle prospect. Catcher's second base. Minor League performer so far. So, you know, Jerry DePoto obviously loves those kind of guys. He was a 40th round pick in 2018, but he's kind of raised his stock quite a bit in a pretty good Giants farm system, my view, as well.

So for Levi Stout, I mean, like, Austin Slater is kind of the prize here. Our back's an interesting guy. He's 23, but he's never played above high A. so he's a little bit on the older side for where he's at. He turns 24 in late August, by the way. So he's pretty much playing this season at the age of 23 as well. So if he gets double A of him, and maybe he's actually kind of on a solid timeline.

So I don't know. What do you think about this deal? What do you think about taking a chance on BD who is coming off of a significant injury? He was out for pretty much all of the, the last two seasons. Yeah. I just,

what do you think? It's three years of Slater and everything else I don't really care about. BD was an interesting arm and there's nothing wrong with taking the flyer on him. Although I believe he's on their 40-man roster, if I'm not mistaken. Which means Seattle would have to clear two spots on their 40-man to accommodate these two guys. Stout is probably a bit aggressive. for Slater. But also, I don't know if that makes sense for the giants who could really use Austin Slater.

And, you know, he's got three years left. And stout's a good problem. Like in a vacuum, Slater for Stout is fine. And you'd probably rather take stout. But we don't operate in a vacuum. The Giants are trying to win. And Slater helps him a lot more this year than Stout will. and they're only paying Slater

1.8 million bucks and he's a good platoon guy to have in center field so I just I just think valuation wise trades fine but in practicality

it's not going to work for either side I don't think yeah So I'm going to give it like a, I don't know, it's, it's kind of creative. I'm going to give it like a 42, 45. It's a 50. It's creative.

It's a player we haven't talked about a lot. It's just, you know, if San Francisco was rebuilding at all. Yeah, no, but I mean, Slater's a plus defensive outfielder, too. So like if Slater was a left-handed hitter, he'd be a pretty good fit. And actually, you know, I mean, like he legit 141 WRC plus against lefties last year. It's the 38 against Rides that make him, you know, the part-time player. So yeah. So he's a good fit.

Not a great fit. And you know what? The Giants aren't a good trade partner. You convince me. You confess me, though. I'm going to go 50, actually. shocker. All right.

Dino at Dino-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-S. I just wanted to read that out. Emerson Hancock, Taylor-Termel, and Sam Carlson, for Colby, Max Meyer. Too much. For your boy, though. Yeah, I love Max Meyer. I love Max Meyer.

But Emerson Hancock has just as high of a ceiling in probably the same floor. more or less. Taylor Trimel, we talked about him yesterday on CTZ. I'm not giving up on that profile.

Now when he's got two options left and he's only 24 years old and I don't have a 40-man crunch. And Sam Carlson is, I mean, yeah, there's enough talent

and athleticism in Sam Carlson that I really want to see what he does his second year back from that series of injuries he had because I think he's a guy

who could explode up our prospect ranks this time next year. So yeah, I'll just take the guys that I have in that case. And like I said, I like Max Meyer a lot, but he doesn't help me right now, although he might be able to help me in July, but then again, so can Williamson and Brash and Kirby. And so, yeah, yeah, I just, I don't think it's a good fit for the, for the Mariners to give up this much for one guy. not even a major leaker yeah I'll go

35 I have to go 45 because Max Meyer is in it but that's as high as I'll go of course of course all right let's do one quick one here

it's another Brian Reynolds trade and I think there's another one on here as well but Noel V Marte Levi Stought and Kyle Lewis for Brian Reynolds this one comes from Jan Del Chuck don't think that gets it done

but that's probably as far as I'm willing to go on Brian Reynolds as well but I just I think the the Pirates I know Yeah I would agree I think that's probably about as far as the Mariners would go to Maybe they say Hey we'll give you Deloche instead of Lewis

and Williamson instead of stout But I think that's roughly the range that the Mariners would be willing to go to and I don't think Pittsburgh is going to do that. So I think it's a fair deal. It's a good deal. I just don't think that Pittsburgh will see it that way. Yeah.

50. Yep. All right. We're going to try to get to as many of the remaining trades as we possibly can. Just a moment. But real quick, a reminder of this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by betonline.net.

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Let's start with Jake Sorensen at Jake 67 Sorensen on Twitter. Emerson Hancock and Evan White for Tyler Glass now. Absolutely not. Absolutely not Emerson Hancock for Tyler Glass now. No. Not for a guy that's not going to pitch for you this year. and a guy that's going to be coming off of a significant injury and surgery in 2023 and that's the last year of his club control no um there are a lot of risks involved

in taking on glass now and i'm not given someone up in my top five my top 10 my top 15 probably going to start somewhere in the 16 to 20 range for glass now and even then i'm a little bit hesitant because there's a chance that I get Tyler Glass now. He doesn't pitch for me in 2022. Then he comes back in 2023 and he's got to work through things. And he's just not able to get back to where he was or even come close to that. And in the end, I get what maybe five good starts, 10 good starts out of him. It's just not worth it. So yeah. And also I don't want to give up on Evan White, right? Like a lot of people want to give up on Evan White all of a sudden. And I don't yet. I believe in Evan White. I hope that he figures things out. I think he will eventually.

I think he has all the athleticism in the world to make it work and all the tools. But yeah, yeah, these two guys for Glass Now, absolutely not. I. Yeah, no, this is a this is a flat out no for me. Colby. Yeah. This is like relegating Emerson Hancock to just first round bus. Like you're already calling him a bust to trade him for this. And, you know, if Glassnow had two years left and he was healthy, yeah, I could see it. But he's not and he doesn't. So, yeah, it's just, it's, it's a no for me. Just, nope.

I'd laugh at the raise if they called and offered this trade to me. Yeah. Is it too mean to give a 20? I mean. it just I just I don't see how this makes sense for the mariners at all like what what do the mariners get maybe you know maybe the uh person who sent in this trade maybe they're not aware that glass now is going to miss all of 2020 um you know I don't know you let us know Jake sorry 22 um yeah let us know Jake what what what your thought process was behind that but it seems like

thought process is either Hancock is never going to pitch in the big leagues. He's a bust or Glassnow's got two years left and he's going to pitch, you know, he's going to give the Mariners 50 starts for Emerson Hancock. It's got to be one of those two, I think. So, yeah, like 25, 30, somewhere in there. Like, eh. All right. Tanner at Tanner v. 202.

If we miss out on Conforto and say a Suzuki, Ian Hap for Connor Phillips and Taylor Tramel So Ian Hap's got some versatility Play some center field Play some infield of course Kind of you know that's a whole thing

We could get into but I don't know if The Cubs would do it for Phillips and Tramel Maybe I feel like that's a good like That's good compensation I just don't know if they would do it. It has a pretty good player,

for the most part. Had some, has had some inconsistency woes, but I don't know. It feels like the Cubs would probably maybe think this is too light. But Phillips is a really good prospect. And I mean, Taylor Chamell is a guy that we talked about again. Like you said earlier, we talked about on CTCZ and why there's still a lot of hope.

for Taylor Chamele. I wouldn't do anything more than this. And honestly, if I'm the Mariners, I don't know. I just, I feel like there's probably better like overall, like more beneficial options in the outfield than Ian Hap for me

in terms of like what it's going to cost me, what kind of production I'm going to get back. Because like I feel like I would rather sacrifice some production from Hap to keep Phillips and Tramel and go get, I don't know, go take on the contract of Kevin Kiermeyer or whatever. Yeah, I think it's funny. You know, the more games you give Ian happen a year,

the worst he gets. His two best seasons were 58 games played in 2019 and 57 games played in 2020. You know, aside from those two seasons, he's been a good bad. He's above average, but, not a great bat by any stretch and yeah not a not a great defender anywhere he's never had a two-win season believe it or not um he strikes out quite a bit um 30% in his career um does take walks does have power and like you said he can he can play multiple positions um not super well but he can he can play them without killing you he does have a couple options left and you do get him for two years so there are some positive there are some negatives.

Overall, like, I wouldn't be mad if the Mariners did that. But I would say there would be a high probability that they end up regretting that trade long term. But, I mean, if you can get Ian Hap to do what he did in 2020, but stretch it out over the course of 140 starts instead of 57, then, you know, you have a, you have a 5, 6, 1 play. legitimately. So can't can he and have to do that though?

Yeah. Not sold on it. Yeah. Tanner has another deal. It's kind of smaller. So it's one with the with the pirates. Cole Tucker, aka Vanessa Hutchinson's boyfriend

and Jason Shreve for Justice Sheffield and Donovan Walton. I mean, eh. I guess. Fine. I don't know. yeah i mean i don't really have i don't really have any opinions on this deal one way or the other

quite frankly is this one of those deals where you're just kind of yeah yeah like like if it happened fine but yeah Tucker for sheffield is fine but it's like is that really an upgrade over dylan more maybe maybe not like i i don't know um So yeah, that one's just kind of a meh. Yes. In Donovan. I'll give like a 45. This deal I'll give like a 40.

Dude, you're a straight, savage. Ha, ha, ha, ha. I'll give the half deal of 50. I think it's interesting. I can see it kind of swing in both ways there. the Moore deal or sorry the Tucker and Sheffield,

Walton, like, indifference. Is that a grade? Yeah. Indifference out of 80. I'll give it a 50. Like I think the valuation is fine.

Like I just, I don't care about it one way or the other. But I understand the logic behind it and it does make sense, a little bit of sense for both sides. Sure. All right. Well, for our show today. Thank you so much for

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